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gsus8091
12-18-2006, 08:07 PM
Well, another loss and another oppertunity to bash Carr. What else is new? Anyway, for everybody out there who hates Carr, now what? I mean you guys hate Carr so much have you even thought about what to do after him. Like I said last night, Troy Smith, Brain Brohm, or JaMarcus Russell? I don't say Brady Quinn because he'll be gone before the Texans pick. Anyway, since you guys know so much what do you want the organazation to do. I waiting, come on you genius's, lets here it. Let's here the tired old argument of (in a winey tone) "God why didn't the Texans draft Young, God, why?" Come on lets here the cries of "man the Texans organazation blew it." So since all you guys are successfull GM's lets here it. What will you do? Who will you draft? What free agents will you sign? I mean, you guys know right, you've probably been complaining ever since the Texans had the number one pick. So what will you do?

You know what, I know what you'll do, nothing, you'll do nothing. You and the rest of the hype band wagoners out there, like all those idiots on the Houston radio stations, and ESPN broadcasts, and in all of the weekly football mags. It seems you guys aren't happy unless there's something wrong. It justs happens to be real easy to crack on Carr, because he's the QB. No, no one wants to crush the GM or the scouts, no, no one wants to jump all over McNair. No, why would anyone do that, its so easy to belittle Carr. Okay, so he's playing bad, well, now what? What do you do now? You guys say get rid of him. Okay, then what? Not once have I heard any legit argument on who you'd bring in. All I hear is the crying "Carr sucks, get rid of him, he's the worst, this guy is a disgrace,I can't believe we past on Young, the hometown God." I swear if I'd didn't know better you'd think Young walked on water and turned water into wine. There's nothing, and I mean nothing more annoying than talking about the past. Its boring, its completely boring. It just shows your bias's. I bet for all you Young n*t hangers out there, I bet you guys would still find some fault even if Carr was doing good, not great, but good. Wouldn't you? You'll probably never be happy. Becuase twice every year you guys will be reminded of what might have been. Shut the f*$k up. Its old.

Texan1
12-18-2006, 08:21 PM
Wow 8091. I always look forward to reading your long running typing. Always impressive.

But this time, it was little different. The long, long sentences spoke to me this time.

I now see the light.

You are smarter than us all... (and did I mention you can type?)... what were we thinking? Yes, you correct, we should not be embarrassed about the Texans. We should not look to the past (last week or before) and we should all praise them for the fact that they have a game next week...

Thanks for the insight.

hollywood_texan
12-18-2006, 08:21 PM
Gsus8081, just signed up and six posts in. You should probably relax little.

You can get rid of Carr and not take a high a draft pick to replace him. Basically, go cheap and find a proven vet to carry the load for a season or two while they build up the interior lines on both sides of the ball.

The issue with Carr seems to be that there isn't enough talent around him, that is what McNair says. I don't see how they are going to get enough talent around him by the end of his extension. So why keep him when looking at from that perpsepective? Carr playing for the Texans isn't really the issue, it is the amount of money his paid and his cap hit.

Bottom line, just take it easy. Carr isn't going anywhere.

gsus8091
12-18-2006, 08:30 PM
You know, its not even about Carr anymore, its the complaining, look at the "Bull Pen" today and the past month. I guarantee at least half or more are about the complaints of one guy. One guy, Carr. Its the complaining, it sucks, its time for optmisim or at least focus on other things than one guy. You guys might as well call the message boards "Kill Carr" instead of the "Bull Pen".

A Texan
12-18-2006, 08:33 PM
One thing you need to learn, G, is that this board does not belong to you and that no matter how much you curse, people are not going to shut up just because you say so.

Texan1
12-18-2006, 08:33 PM
You know, its not even about Carr anymore, its the complaining, look at the "Bull Pen" today and the past month. I guarantee at least half or more are about the complaints of one guy. One guy, Carr. Its the complaining, it sucks, its time for optmisim or at least focus on other things than one guy. You guys might as well call the message boards "Kill Carr" instead of the "Bull Pen".

Carr's just not ogg bro... deal with it.

BTW, I'm just pulling your leg on the other posts - keep posting

hollywood_texan
12-18-2006, 08:34 PM
You know, its not even about Carr anymore, its the complaining, look at the "Bull Pen" today and the past month. I guarantee at least half or more are about the complaints of one guy. One guy, Carr. Its the complaining, it sucks, its time for optmisim or at least focus on other things than one guy. You guys might as well call the message boards "Kill Carr" instead of the "Bull Pen".

There is nothing to be optimistic about, this team is about the same as it was last year. If it wasn't for the defense, the Texans probably wouldn't have a win this year.

The biggest difference from last year, is the defense.

You want to be optimistic, I think you are putting your head in the sand.

Carr doesn't deserve all the blame, but he does deserve a big chunk it.

thunderkyss
12-18-2006, 08:36 PM
I say we keep him. lets let Sage or VanPelt start next year.

if they get killed, then you and all the other Carr Homer's can say I told you so...... and actually have something to back it up.

If the guy plays well, and we actually start looking like a football team..... we throw Carr in their after week 8..... then we can watch the OL deteriorate, and not be able to protect their QB.

And we'll be able to say see i told you so..... & get rid of Carr.

hey if that isn't good enough for you, why don't you & the homers come up with a plan, we can do that..... draft 5 blue chip OLmen on the first day.... I'm game. Let's do it.

Give away our entire 07 draft, AJ, Owen, and our current line to Seattle for their OL...... Indy for their OL.... KC.... SD..... who ever, and let that line play in front of Carr..... lets do that too.

whatever it takes for you.. & all the intelligence challenged MB'ers to finally realize he's a freak'n bum, and won't make a pimple on an NFL QBs rump.

Whatever it takes, how ever long it takes..... let's keep sending David out there, and make excuses for why he can't play this game at a level worthy of the league minimum. Ten years.... I'm game. 20, let's do it.

Second Honeymoon
12-18-2006, 08:39 PM
Well, another loss and another oppertunity to bash Carr. What else is new? Anyway, for everybody out there who hates Carr, now what? I mean you guys hate Carr so much have you even thought about what to do after him. Like I said last night, Troy Smith, Brain Brohm, or JaMarcus Russell? I don't say Brady Quinn because he'll be gone before the Texans pick. Anyway, since you guys know so much what do you want the organazation to do. I waiting, come on you genius's, lets here it. Let's here the tired old argument of (in a winey tone) "God why didn't the Texans draft Young, God, why?" Come on lets here the cries of "man the Texans organazation blew it." So since all you guys are successfull GM's lets here it. What will you do? Who will you draft? What free agents will you sign? I mean, you guys know right, you've probably been complaining ever since the Texans had the number one pick. So what will you do?

You know what, I know what you'll do, nothing, you'll do nothing. You and the rest of the hype band wagoners out there, like all those idiots on the Houston radio stations, and ESPN broadcasts, and in all of the weekly football mags. It seems you guys aren't happy unless there's something wrong. It justs happens to be real easy to crack on Carr, because he's the QB. No, no one wants to crush the GM or the scouts, no, no one wants to jump all over McNair. No, why would anyone do that, its so easy to belittle Carr. Okay, so he's playing bad, well, now what? What do you do now? You guys say get rid of him. Okay, then what? Not once have I heard any legit argument on who you'd bring in. All I hear is the crying "Carr sucks, get rid of him, he's the worst, this guy is a disgrace,I can't believe we past on Young, the hometown God." I swear if I'd didn't know better you'd think Young walked on water and turned water into wine. There's nothing, and I mean nothing more annoying than talking about the past. Its boring, its completely boring. It just shows your bias's. I bet for all you Young n*t hangers out there, I bet you guys would still find some fault even if Carr was doing good, not great, but good. Wouldn't you? You'll probably never be happy. Becuase twice every year you guys will be reminded of what might have been. Shut the f*$k up. Its old.


cry more please...here is a kleenex

Baranghoori
12-18-2006, 08:41 PM
Wow 8091. I always look forward to reading your long running typing. Always impressive.

But this time, it was little different. The long, long sentences spoke to me this time.

I now see the light.

You are smarter than us all... (and did I mention you can type?)... what were we thinking? Yes, you correct, we should not be embarrassed about the Texans. We should not look to the past (last week or before) and we should all praise them for the fact that they have a game next week...

Thanks for the insight.

Yeah, this post was classy! The guy's about 8 posts in and you're already critiquing his typing? I also like how you didn't even address any of the points in his post, just made fun of it.

Hey man, i hate Carr just as much as the next guy, but i'm ready to admit that this dude's right. Nobody's thinking of any solutions, just new complaints.

Trap_Star
12-18-2006, 08:42 PM
Ill keep it simple........ANYONE BUT CARR!!...

axman40
12-18-2006, 08:43 PM
Paragraphs are your friends good job on the rambling rant of runaway Carr representative !
Alliteration is cool also!
To all the Houston Carr fans relax , Big Poppa McNair says Carr will be here and Big Poppa McNair signs the checks!
I hope Big Poppa likes his subscription to High Times!
:shades:

gsus8091
12-18-2006, 08:45 PM
First of all the defense, are you kidding me? Come on, I know you know more football than that. Second, I'm just pissed that thats all the boards are ever about. Its " Carr sucks, Carr sucks." Okay, we get it you hate him, we know you wished the Texans would have picked Young, okay, we get it. But find something else to critique on. Your telling me if Carr was as good as Eli Manning or Phillip Rivers, or Big Ben the Texans would be any better. Thats ludicris. See, with Carr at least that position is filled, the RB spot is vacant, the defense is God awefull, there is no secondary, no o-line, and by the way 1, thats right, ONE WR. Give me a break. Look guys, I'm just as upset as you guys the Texans aren't winning, but I'm trying to look at the brighter side of things. I love the Texans more than you know.

Andrew6
12-18-2006, 08:45 PM
Whoooa seems like a very deap blog page thing here.... hmmm after reading the recap today from Kubiak i do have to say i think he's full of CRAP... he said he had no want to want to bench Carr. After his performance yesterday and weeks before and weeks before i'd have to say if Sage was not hurt he'd of been playing yesterday and probably might have finished out the season with Carr looking for a new town.

Texan1
12-18-2006, 08:46 PM
Hey man, i hate Carr just as much as the next guy, but i'm ready to admit that this dude's right. Nobody's thinking of any solutions, just new complaints.

No, 8091 is wrong, so are you.

Andrew6
12-18-2006, 08:51 PM
can we do our expansion draft over again?

BornOrange
12-18-2006, 08:55 PM
No, the NFL will still screw us and not let us pick up Willie Roaf.

dat_boy_yec
12-18-2006, 10:12 PM
You know it's almost a waste of time to post something constructive on here, because it doesn't get any play and it get's shot down as if it were word's from a leper or something. Once in a while you'll find a thread about football talk, but those are usually drowned out by.... well... ignorance. Everyone's all *itching and moaning about Carr's performance, but guess what NE played great yesterday, they had our #. It wasn't just Carr that failed our whole team failed and our coaching failed in not putting our guys in a position to win.

Having vented a little bit I'll tell you what I would do and explain why I would do it.1st) I would keep Carr, there is no way I'm letting him go so he can become successful and I'm left looking like an *****. The guy has what it takes and I would put the best team around him to prove it to everybody. I have plenty of other reasons, but I'll keep this short.

2nd) I would shop A. Johnson. I would shop him to try to get another receiver and a 2nd or third rd. pick. I know I may get heat for this, but the guy drops too many balls. He doesn't adjust to the ball and has to make incredible adjustments to make miracle catches that if he were fundamentally sound would look more avg. Anyway's I'll try not to rant. Like I said I would shop him so I would look for a receiver that A) is comparable in talent straight out B) less talented, but solid fundamentally and with draft picks along with him. If those conditions were met I would pull the trigger if not I would obviously keep him. Also I would do all this behind closed doors, hate to put dissent in the team.

3rd) If Peterson is available I would pick him up. No question in my mind, we've been watching mediocrity in the running game so much this season that we're actually trying to convince ourselves they can get the job done. Not so an upgrade is needed. Also AP would bring back something similar to Luv'yablue. RB from Houston, big time bruiser with the ability to take over the game.

4th) I would draft a tackle no sooner than the 3rd. We have a solid starter in Winston and depending on Spencer a solid LT. I would bring in someone to back them up and push them for their jobs. In the fifth or sixth round I would look for interior help. Only one position though so whichever is the best option that is what I'd do.

Coaching also plays a role in our offensive ineptitude so even though I think those moves would greatly improve the offense it would still be on the coach to find a way to utilize them all.

So overall If I pulled off all these moves we could be looking at having say Berrian from the Bears and a 4th or 5th rd pick. AP at RB. Youth and depth on the O-line. Hopefully with more time together a more cohesive and fundamentally sound team.

Yeah, I know I didn't address the Defense, but this thread didn't ask me about that. Sooo.... thoughts?

Mr. White
12-18-2006, 10:23 PM
A funny thing about Carr threads:

When he's played well, there aren't so many Carr threads.

When he hasn't played up to expectations, there are exponentially more Carr threads.

A high QB rating or 22 4 yard completions in a row just doesn't cut it. If you want people to quit bitching about him, then pray to your David Carr altar that he starts winning games.

gsus8091
12-18-2006, 10:26 PM
"Dat Boy Yec," Right on man. Finally someone with answers and something constructive to say. I appreciate it. I feel like I'm the only one who wants to see this team succeed. It seems ever since the draft everybodies been taken shots at Carr and Mario. Like these so called fans want these guys to fail or something, anyway thanks.

OzzO
12-18-2006, 10:38 PM
Tired of the Carr threads yet you start another? Makes sense.

What I would do? Concerning QB - it's either keep Carr for another year or if he can be traded to bring in another vet (Huard) then do so. Regardless of that, if Russell or Smith (maybe Kolb) came around a good time in the draft, pick him up for the future.

I'd also go for some quality o-line starters or depth along with a quality CB and / or safety. For starters. Though RB isn't too much of a need, if we got a speedster, that'd be a nice addition.

But, that's my casual fan, not quite GM level, perspective.

elbison
12-18-2006, 10:39 PM
I thought for a couple seconds yesterday that maybe the KO Return by NE was "allowed" so that we could quickly get our offense back on the field -- to see if Carr could continue leading the team after opening the 3rd with a decent drive.

Isn't that a pretty hilarious conspiracy theory? :pigfly:

tsip
12-19-2006, 11:37 AM
"Dat Boy Yec," Right on man. Finally someone with answers and something constructive to say. I appreciate it. I feel like I'm the only one who wants to see this team succeed. It seems ever since the draft everybodies been taken shots at Carr and Mario. Like these so called fans want these guys to fail or something, anyway thanks.

...'c mon winey hater know it all, a mind is a terrible thing to waste...course you got to have one first....

srstex
12-19-2006, 12:12 PM
I have been posting since just after the draft that we needed an O line over haul and that nothing would change till then, and I was right. Unfortunatley I also said I thought Richard Smith was the right guy for the D cordinator job, I blew that one. The only good thing on D is the play of Ryans. As for what would help, Kubiak will draft D first till it is right, because on Offense his system will put points on the board ( or is suppose to ). We are terrible on crossing patterns, so I believe a good cover free safety, or an exceptional CB would go a long way in helping the D line. As to the QB question, I stand by my earlier post, that Sage is the man in 07, and that hurts because I have been a Homer since day one, but after last week.



:hunter: :homer:

dat_boy_yec
12-19-2006, 07:40 PM
I have been posting since just after the draft that we needed an O line over haul and that nothing would change till then, and I was right. Unfortunatley I also said I thought Richard Smith was the right guy for the D cordinator job, I blew that one. The only good thing on D is the play of Ryans. As for what would help, Kubiak will draft D first till it is right, because on Offense his system will put points on the board ( or is suppose to ). We are terrible on crossing patterns, so I believe a good cover free safety, or an exceptional CB would go a long way in helping the D line. As to the QB question, I stand by my earlier post, that Sage is the man in 07, and that hurts because I have been a Homer since day one, but after last week.



:hunter: :homer:

After last week what? You saw a subpar team on the field and couldn't identify everything that was really wrong? Believe the garbage that is being spewed about Carr and other simplified excuses that are being given for our failures? You're upset with the defense why? Because our starting tackles are on IR and Mario is limping around all over the place? Yeah I'm upset about that as well. Really you're upset that our team defense has vastly improved and is finding an identity. You're upset that they were put at a disadvantage on the field yesterday? I can understand that. You shouldn't call yourself a homer, because be honest you haven't watched the team enough to point out where we're failing without other people pointing that out to you.

I'm a homer and proud of it. I believe in this team and what it's capable of. I don't focus on the negative, because really our team has improved. Lastly I don't let the frustration of losses turn me against the team that I've grown to love. Maybe it's time to really ask yourself if your a homer or if you're a casual fan that believe's your a homer.

thunderkyss
12-19-2006, 08:08 PM
"Dat Boy Yec," Right on man. Finally someone with answers and something constructive to say. I appreciate it. I feel like I'm the only one who wants to see this team succeed. It seems ever since the draft everybodies been taken shots at Carr and Mario. Like these so called fans want these guys to fail or something, anyway thanks.

ARe you reading impaired?? There are all kinds of posts on this board about what to do after we get rid of David Carr.... Plummer, Shaub, Huard, Garcia..... guys we can get for less than $8 mill a year, that can play as well if not better than David.

We all want this team to succeed.

Most of us think it isn't likely to happen with David pulling the trigger. Just like you don't think it can happen with Ephraim Salaam, Drew Hogdon, or Fred Weary behind him.

Or like datBoyYec doesn't think we can do it with Andre Johnson or RonDayne starting at our skilled position.

Somehow you Cali Boys have made this the Houston DavidCarr's, and unless you bow down before David you're obviously not a real fan.

I guarantee you most every real fan from the Raider Nation wants a change at the QB position on their team, and if they make one(It really doesn't matter what kind of change they make) and we don't, we'll be chasing them, just like we are chasing the Saints(#2 overall pick in 2006, who made a QB change), Tennessee(#3 overall pick in 2006 who made a QB change), NYJ (#4 overall in teh 2006 draft who made a QB change)....

I doubt anyone question the validity of the fans from Oakland, Tennessee, NYJ, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Chicago Bears, Miami Dolphins, Minnesota Vikings, Dallas Cowboys, Arizona Cardinals, Miami Dolphins(again), Denver Broncos, or any other team I may have left out where the QB has been changed this year(Miami twice, Oakland changed, then changed back,then changed back again), or a team (like Chicago) who wants to change their QB.

dat_boy_yec
12-19-2006, 08:23 PM
ARe you reading impaired?? There are all kinds of posts on this board about what to do after we get rid of David Carr.... Plummer, Shaub, Huard, Garcia..... guys we can get for less than $8 mill a year, that can play as well if not better than David.

We all want this team to succeed.

Most of us think it isn't likely to happen with David pulling the trigger. Just like you don't think it can happen with Ephraim Salaam, Drew Hogdon, or Fred Weary behind him.

Or like datBoyYec doesn't think we can do it with Andre Johnson or RonDayne starting at our skilled position.

Somehow you Cali Boys have made this the Houston DavidCarr's, and unless you bow down before David you're obviously not a real fan.

I guarantee you most every real fan from the Raider Nation wants a change at the QB position on their team, and if they make one(It really doesn't matter what kind of change they make) and we don't, we'll be chasing them, just like we are chasing the Saints(#2 overall pick in 2006, who made a QB change), Tennessee(#3 overall pick in 2006 who made a QB change), NYJ (#4 overall in teh 2006 draft who made a QB change)....

I doubt anyone question the validity of the fans from Oakland, Tennessee, NYJ, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Chicago Bears, Miami Dolphins, Minnesota Vikings, Dallas Cowboys, Arizona Cardinals, Miami Dolphins(again), Denver Broncos, or any other team I may have left out where the QB has been changed this year(Miami twice, Oakland changed, then changed back,then changed back again), or a team (like Chicago) who wants to change their QB.

Did I say we couldn't make it without AJ. No I said I would shop him around, tell me he hasn't dropped a lot of balls with a straight face. While he's obviously a talent his receiving skills and adjustments to the ball on a consistent basis are lacking. Tell me you wouldn't rather have a guy that made those catches on a consistent basis. I would and that's my point. You already know what I think of Dayne, he's garbage in my eyes, career back-up if there ever was one. You're telling me that if you had a shot at A. Peterson you would pass on that because you'd rather have Dayne?

On a personal note are you including me as a Cali boy? Cuz' it sounds like you wanted to lump me into that category. If you are then you're wrong. I'm not from Cali or have any reason to even like Cali.

I respect you cuz' I know you watch the games and come away with your interpretations, however I never called anybody out for not being a "real" fan, ever. So I would appreciate it if you wouldn't lump me in that group.

VY's Crib U Jus payn Rent
12-19-2006, 11:53 PM
At least one time a year there will be winner on the field and his name is VY!