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jhowie007
12-18-2006, 01:55 AM
Sure seems like there are a lot fewer Texan fans today than there were before the draft. I am dreading the fact that it is looking more and more like we will be going through another rough year next year by the shape this team is in. I have season tickets and I am sure I will probably fork over $1400 again to watch another year of sub par football, but I sure hope this will be the last time. Five years is too long and the Texans need to stop making these draft day disasters and stop wasting draft picks and millions on poor trades for players that are afraid to tackle. If Carr is back next year, McNair will be kissing off a lot of fans. If he wants to do the right thing, he would send the right message to the Texan fans by telling Kubiack to bench Carr the rest of the season and just release him when the season is done. Pick up a QB from the practice squad. Anyone would be better than Carr.

DontTreadOnMe
12-18-2006, 01:58 AM
I dont know if anybody would be better than carr... well, nevermind.. yah... anybody would be better than carr.

Scott D
12-18-2006, 01:58 AM
Sure seems like there are a lot fewer Texan fans today than there were before the draft. I am dreading the fact that it is looking more and more like we will be going through another rough year next year by the shape this team is in. I have season tickets and I am sure I will probably fork over $1400 again to watch another year of sub par football, but I sure hope this will be the last time. Five years is too long and the Texans need to stop making these draft day disasters and stop wasting draft picks and millions on poor trades for players that are afraid to tackle. If Carr is back next year, McNair will be kissing off a lot of fans. If he wants to do the right thing, he would send the right message to the Texan fans by telling Kubiack to bench Carr the rest of the season and just release him when the season is done. Pick up a QB from the practice squad. Anyone would be better than Carr.

I bet I can do better than him. Granted, I'll lose the game but the team will be behind me.:stirpot:

jhowie007
12-18-2006, 02:00 AM
I bet I can do better than him. Granted, I'll lose the game but the team will be behind me.:stirpot:

If you can throw the ball more than 5 yards, you will do... The job's all yours.

ensign_lee
12-18-2006, 02:01 AM
I think this is one of those 'no duh' type of statements. Texans fan support is at an all time low.

If you play madden franchise mode, that little bar would be all the way to the left, with like 1 red bar. :hides:

sportsoutlaw
12-18-2006, 02:07 AM
This will all be fixed this season, as long as the Texans do the right thing and move away from David Carr, like they should have done before drafting him.

Houston is in the wonderful state of Texas, and we love our football teams....... as long as they are winning. If they are not winning, we raise all kinds of hell and demand better. This is what separates us from the other states. Losing is not an option.

Fixt the problems this year, and all is better, for a year, LOL. Just win, that is all we care about at any level of football.

Grid
12-18-2006, 02:14 AM
eh.. I guess ill go ahead and start the offseason optimism a little early this year.

I really think we are closer than people think to becoming a good football team. We have some weaknesses on defense.. but for the most part we are chock full of young talent there, and its only gonna get better every time we add a player. I think our defense is only a couple players away from being top 15.

On offense.. again.. we are alot better than people think. Our oline is still a soar spot, and we could use a couple upgrades there.. the other issue is QB, where we could really use a veteran starter, and a promising young rookie to groom. You could possibly make a case for RB too.. but id like to see exactly what we have in Lundy, Taylor, and Gado. I think Dayne is a great change of pace/pounder back, all we need now is a shifty back that can eat up yards like DD did for us. I am most intrigued by Gado.. who seems to be very fast and athletic for his size. With improved run blocking, I think our existing crop of RBs would look a WHOLE lot better.

So, from that perspective.. we are only 5 or 6 players shy of major improvement. That is very doable in one offseason. If we have an offseason half as good as our last one, I could see us going 8 - 8 next season, no problem.

The key is to improve that oline some more, and replace Carr.

Second Honeymoon
12-18-2006, 02:18 AM
eh.. I guess ill go ahead and start the offseason optimism a little early this year.

I really think we are closer than people think to becoming a good football team. We have some weaknesses on defense.. but for the most part we are chock full of young talent there, and its only gonna get better every time we add a player. I think our defense is only a couple players away from being top 15.

On offense.. again.. we are alot better than people think. Our oline is still a soar spot, and we could use a couple upgrades there.. the other issue is QB, where we could really use a veteran starter, and a promising young rookie to groom. You could possibly make a case for RB too.. but id like to see exactly what we have in Lundy, Taylor, and Gado. I think Dayne is a great change of pace/pounder back, all we need now is a shifty back that can eat up yards like DD did for us. I am most intrigued by Gado.. who seems to be very fast and athletic for his size. With improved run blocking, I think our existing crop of RBs would look a WHOLE lot better.

So, from that perspective.. we are only 5 or 6 players shy of major improvement. That is very doable in one offseason. If we have an offseason half as good as our last one, I could see us going 8 - 8 next season, no problem.

The key is to improve that oline some more, and replace Carr.

i agree one hundred percent. unless joe thomas is available, i say we draft defense one more time and lets build the team around tough defense and running the ball.

sounds like a plan for success...look at the Bears...

rittenhouserobz
12-18-2006, 02:21 AM
Fan support is directly related to winning, wether Carr is part of that or not doesn't matter. Personally, I don't have an issue with Carr; however, I am tired of all the excuses people give for his poor performances. I would say the best thing for Carr is to leave quietly in the night, because it's his only chance to ressurect his fading career.

shinerbock_girl
12-18-2006, 04:41 AM
I think he needs to give Van Pelt a chance...We're not expecting to win again the Colts anyways...At least i'm not...Of course i can hope, but with good football sense, the odds are definately against them...

Theoridic
12-18-2006, 07:31 AM
I had said this during the game and I think it is appropriate here also, We have to draft a home town favorite to increase the fanbase. I hate Vince and I have always hated him "you can read any of my past posts about him" but he would have been good for fan base. Hell even Reggie McNeil would have been good just to show that they want to support texas teams. Passing on i think Derrick Johnson LB from texas "I am not sure if that was his name" was still a blow to the fans that just want a home town hero to pull for. I still think that Kolb or anyone else that is from TX would be a neccesity for the fans.

:twocents:

aj.
12-18-2006, 07:43 AM
Re:Texans Are Losing Fan Support?

Is snow white?

Is water wet?

Are bulls balls beef?

Is the pope a .... German? ....hmmm that one doesn't work like it used to.

BattleRedToro
12-18-2006, 07:50 AM
Five years is too long and the Texans need to stop making these draft day disasters and stop wasting draft picks and millions on poor trades for players that are afraid to tackle. If Carr is back next year, McNair will be kissing off a lot of fans. If he wants to do the right thing, he would send the right message to the Texan fans by telling Kubiack to bench Carr the rest of the season and just release him when the season is done. Pick up a QB from the practice squad. Anyone would be better than Carr.

Cutting Carr would be the dumbest thing this franchise has ever done, when they could trade him and get something in return, and no not just anyone could do better. Personally, I hope he is traded so frontrunning morons that have no concept of the game of football can suddenly realize they don't know what they are talking about. If he goes to a team with merely an average offensive line instead of this horrid one all of you will see a monumental difference and the poor QB that has to play here in his stead is in for the worst nightmare of his life until the Texans fix their Offensive Line and that looks to be another full season away at best.

BattleRedToro
12-18-2006, 07:51 AM
Is the pope a .... German? ....hmmm that one doesn't work like it used to.

That is because it is supposed to be this.

Is the Pope a Catholic?

NederlandTexan
12-18-2006, 08:32 AM
This game was about as ridiculous as the whole "pet rock" thing from the 70's. New England just dominated every phase of this one. I'm really starting to think Houston should just disband that team and go away. Let's knock the NFL back to 31 teams and just get rid of this high-paid bye-week squad. They screw up drafts, they are the least talented team in the NFL, and they've had plenty of time to at least be somewhat competitive.

http://www.pigskinaddiction.com/2006/15/Mon/default.asp

real
12-18-2006, 08:42 AM
Yesterday was the first time all season that I actually stopped watching the game....I stopped watching after the third quater...I know that if I stopped watching, the Texans don't have many fans left....

The most disheartening thing about all of this, is that it seems as if our orginization is so caught up in a certain "way" of doing things that they are unwilling to make the neccessary moves that would allow us to be successful...When Kubes first came here, he seemed pretty bold, but now it seems as if Bob McNair has stolen his thunder......Think about it....Your not a coach....you're an owner....you aren't the "expert" when it comes to the football side of things...Yet you come out before the season is over and despite your QB's poor play, state that he will be here next year??? Not only is that a poor choice, but it can't make the coaches feel too confident that they could make top level changes if need be, but it also has to be a slap in the face to some of the players.......

I'm very dissapointed in this team....from top to bottom.....

CenTexNative
12-18-2006, 08:47 AM
I dont know if anybody would be better than carr... well, nevermind.. yah... anybody would be better than carr.


I bet I can do better than him. Granted, I'll lose the game but the team will be behind me.:stirpot:

I would like to ask both of you to put your money where your mouths are. Try out for the team. I'll bet y'all couldn't even make it on the team much less to a game. Heck i'll bet y'all cant even get to on an nfl europe team or cfl for that matter. :violin
Give the guy a break. Ok so it's been 5 fears. But this is a new coach with a new offense. :wow:
But it's ok. I know how haters are too.:spot:

yourfavoritetexan42
12-18-2006, 08:48 AM
this upcoming draft class isnt very strong... brady quinn is the most nfl ready i have seen a qb ever coming out of college. He has played in games bigger than any games a texan has seen, he has faced some very good defenses (usc last year, ohio state last year, (will) lsu this year, michigan this year, tenn. 2 years, etc. etc.) and is running an nfl offense under, in my opinion, one of the best offensive masterminds in football (weis). Wouldn't mind seeing him take carr's spot...but I would rather us build up our offensive line... and use carr kind of as a test dummy next year. Since he already has 5 years experience of that.

TNTitan
12-18-2006, 09:27 AM
listening to sports 610 now, boy , you guys are ANGRY!!!!!!!! wow

texan's blue
12-18-2006, 09:42 AM
Yesterday was the first time all season that I actually stopped watching the game....I stopped watching after the third quater...I know that if I stopped watching, the Texans don't have many fans left....

The most disheartening thing about all of this, is that it seems as if our orginization is so caught up in a certain "way" of doing things that they are unwilling to make the neccessary moves that would allow us to be successful...When Kubes first came here, he seemed pretty bold, but now it seems as if Bob McNair has stolen his thunder......Think about it....Your not a coach....you're an owner....you aren't the "expert" when it comes to the football side of things...Yet you come out before the season is over and despite your QB's poor play, state that he will be here next year??? Not only is that a poor choice, but it can't make the coaches feel too confident that they could make top level changes if need be, but it also has to be a slap in the face to some of the players.......

I'm very dissapointed in this team....from top to bottom.....

This is exactly what I am saying... McNair needs to stop trying to play coach... but isn't this the same thing that Bud Adams was doing????

tsip
12-18-2006, 09:47 AM
"If we have an off season half as good as our last one, I could see us going 8 - 8 next season, no problem."

Looking at the results this team put on the field in '06, I have problems with this statement. Given, we drafted some good players, however-saying that-there were at least a couple we drafted that never really 'saw the light of day. The free agents we picked up versus the players we lost was not good...

Our defense and offense are ranked near the bottom--in scoring, we're #30. Carr's 'lofty' stats that had him at or near the top, now have him closer to the bottom. Too, Carr has thrown more ints than tds. Likewise, our scoring defense is near the bottom....Bottom line, the team has regressed all year, and we will end the year in worse shape than we started...

One of the primary goals for this season was to build a 'foundation' for the future--have we done so--if the results that we will end the season with are a 'reflection' of our future, we are in 'big time' trouble.

Honestly, if we start '07 like we finished '06, what will next year look like? What-if anything-do we want to carry over...

For 5 yrs, we've tried to 'paint' a rosy picture of our future and we were doing OK until mid '04. Yea, we won 2 more games this year than last, equaling our 1ST year, but this was suppose to be our play-off year---remember, the '5 yr plan?'

JMO, but this year has been a disaster, with virtually nothing to build on. How will we fare in '07?

Grid
12-18-2006, 06:47 PM
"If we have an off season half as good as our last one, I could see us going 8 - 8 next season, no problem."

Looking at the results this team put on the field in '06, I have problems with this statement. Given, we drafted some good players, however-saying that-there were at least a couple we drafted that never really 'saw the light of day. The free agents we picked up versus the players we lost was not good...

Our defense and offense are ranked near the bottom--in scoring, we're #30. Carr's 'lofty' stats that had him at or near the top, now have him closer to the bottom. Too, Carr has thrown more ints than tds. Likewise, our scoring defense is near the bottom....Bottom line, the team has regressed all year, and we will end the year in worse shape than we started...

One of the primary goals for this season was to build a 'foundation' for the future--have we done so--if the results that we will end the season with are a 'reflection' of our future, we are in 'big time' trouble.

Honestly, if we start '07 like we finished '06, what will next year look like? What-if anything-do we want to carry over...

For 5 yrs, we've tried to 'paint' a rosy picture of our future and we were doing OK until mid '04. Yea, we won 2 more games this year than last, equaling our 1ST year, but this was suppose to be our play-off year---remember, the '5 yr plan?'

JMO, but this year has been a disaster, with virtually nothing to build on. How will we fare in '07?

:listening

austintexanite
12-18-2006, 06:58 PM
I've had some friends turn against the team because they didn't draft Vince, and follow the Tacks. Not me, I am loyal to the Texans and will always be a fan. The "fans" that jump ship when things are going bad are always the ones that say they were there from the beginning when they full of s&^t.

:texan:

Texan1
12-18-2006, 07:12 PM
The "fans" that jump ship when things are going bad are always the ones that say they were there from the beginning when they full of s&^t.

:texan:

We're not jumping ship - we have nowhere else to go anyway. We just want the Texnas to pull their head out...

GuerillaBlack
12-18-2006, 07:18 PM
I love my Texans, and am glad the Houston has a pro NFL team. I will support them, but they got me real frustrated last game. I stopped watching at half-time and switched to the Saints game. I went back and saw Dayne score and thought we had a chance....until that kickoff return. Then I watched the Saints some more and played Madden '07 on my 360...where the Texans are actually good.

This off season, we need to get a veteran QB, Troy Smith, and trade David Carr for a draft pick. I watched Carr on the Texans Huddle (or it might have been Texans Inside the Game on ABC). Carr had an interview, and he looked clueless. We don't need (nor want) a QB like that.

I actually like our running backs. Dayne is a good guy to wear out defenses in the first half. Then in the second, get more speed guys like Lundy and Gado. We need to test out Chris Taylor before this season is over. Our wide receiver core is good, too. Once we get some FA O-Lineman in the off season, our off season would be set.

For defense, we need some corners, a stud defensive lineman to help our Mario, and a fast safety. A veteran linebacker (do not know if any is available this off season), would be good to compliment DeMeco Ryans.

About fan support, had we won some games this season (with or without Carr) fans would be here. If we had beat the Titans last week, it would not have been so bad.

I am hoping (and know it will happen for the 2007 season), for a complete 180 turnaround for the Texans. It will happen (hopefully). Just let Carr go first (trade him), and we could go from there.

One last thing, I would be happy with either Kevin Kolb (Jay Cutler x2) or Troy Smith as our rookie QB. Who agrees?

BornOrange
12-18-2006, 07:29 PM
Kolb and Smith are not going to have very good NFL careers.

I know Smith has his degree, Kolb better be getting his. They are going to need them.

austintexanite
12-18-2006, 07:35 PM
We're not jumping ship - we have nowhere else to go anyway. We just want the Texnas to pull their head out...


I'm as frustrated as everyone, but a lot of people here just complain about the same thing and it gets old, and that's cause I've only been on this board for a couple of months. Just a lot of negative vibe.