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beerlover
12-17-2006, 09:26 PM
next year. when Seth returns, Williams/Payne/Weaver or draft a rookie NT in the 3rd/4th rds. this would allow the Texans to trade down & still draft the best corner available & pick up another 2nd/3rd pick to address more holes. I would then move Dunta Robinson to FS. so that would leave Faggins & rookie (Leon Hall) as your corners using Dunta's aggressiveness & excellent run support to spy & shutdown the middle. DeMeco could play the weakside OLB & combination of Peek/Babin strongside with Morlan/Wong/Orr/Polk rotating in the middle. I like to keep Glen Earl as the starting SS. CC Brown gives the Texans experience & depth.

with the two 2nd rd. draft picks the Texans could look @ QB, RB, OT, CB depending on who is available but I think this would be the fastest way to turn this train wreck around. if not & the Texans stay in the 4-3 not only do we still need CB add to that DT & LB. with the revolting developments with QB, RB & OL there are simply too many holes to fill if they stay with the same schemes.

at least thats my :twocents:

hot pickle
12-17-2006, 09:40 PM
that kinda scares me, cause DeMeco might not be the LB he is now in the 3-4, i say stick to the 4-3, we just need more time to get the players to run this system

Ole Miss Texan
12-17-2006, 09:51 PM
I like the idea and was actually thinking what if but we all have to realize the FO isn't looking for a quick fix. If they were, last year's 1st round would have been different. They are rebuilding and it will take a while and a few more drafts. I don't see the coaches scrapping the schemes quite this early. let's give it another 4 years...lol

beerlover
12-17-2006, 09:51 PM
that kinda scares me, cause DeMeco might not be the LB he is now in the 3-4, i say stick to the 4-3, we just need more time to get the players to run this system

I wouldn't worry about DeMeco I think he is the type of player that is successful wherever he plays :)

Grid
12-17-2006, 10:01 PM
Stick with the 4-3.. we dont need to go into another year with a new scheme. The 4-3 works just fine, you just need the players to do it.

Texan1
12-17-2006, 10:05 PM
Thats so crazy it might just work. I think Orr is better suited for OLB though

beerlover
12-17-2006, 10:33 PM
Stick with the 4-3.. we dont need to go into another year with a new scheme. The 4-3 works just fine, you just need the players to do it.

thats exactly my point. Look we're all tired of losing, sucking real hard but it just seems like we are always fighting the system & now after being built for a 3-4 we switched to a 4-3 & until Mario Williams gets some 1st rd. help on the defensive line hes going to look like a bust because hes is being double teamed & chipped by FB's/RB's with no support next to him in the middle. I'm alrready on record as saying if Alan Branch, DT Michigan declares the Texans need to at least take a long look at him becuase on the impact he would have helping Mario free up a little more as well as solidify the middle.

My main point of this post however is to express another option to address multiple needs, better use of the personel we already have & trade down to aquire more picks (one I'm sure Kubiak thought he could avoid but now may have his hand forced).

Regarding DeMeco Ryans back during the informal workouts (before Fall Camp) I felt that Ryans could be a force @ MLB in the 4-3 despite the majority who thought he was too small for the positon. I also think in a 3-4 it would free him even more to be the playmaker he really is, especially in blitz packages. Regarding Dunta he is not afraid to tackle anyone & has been excellent in run support but sometimes gets behind in man to man coverage. In nickle packages he is able to sit underneath, read the QB & become more of a playmaker not to mention he has excellent speed to become a premier FS.

I think our D is better than being portrayed but could be improved with the personel we already have, allow us to trade down pick a top CB then get a QB/RB plus extra lineman/cb. this just might be the quickest way to improvement, just trying to brainstorm......very frustrated right now. the players, season ticket holders and the City of Houston deserves a break from all of this fumbling & bumbling :joker:

Mr. White
12-17-2006, 10:42 PM
The defense is the biggest improvement of this season. Even when they're getting their heads handed to them, they still hit hard.

Maybe if they had an offense that will let them take a knee sometime, they'd get better results.

Oilersfan
12-17-2006, 10:43 PM
Bring back Buddy Ryan and run the 46

beerlover
12-17-2006, 11:11 PM
The defense is the biggest improvement of this season. Even when they're getting their heads handed to them, they still hit hard.

Maybe if they had an offense that will let them take a knee sometime, they'd get better results.

agreed & the reason we switch schemes, trade down, draft the best cover corner & have an extra 2nd rd. pick- to fix the offense :shades:

beerlover
12-17-2006, 11:12 PM
Bring back Buddy Ryan and run the 46

before my time but if you say so :pigfly:

rockabilly
12-17-2006, 11:20 PM
Our defense is fine. Even though we lost 40-7 today, it was the 3rd best defensive day in Texan history (yards allowed).

If we had a sign of offense we would win games. On defense we are only missing a corner and a safety. It is offense that is the weak link of the team.

utahmark
12-18-2006, 12:50 AM
we keep switching offensive and defensive schemes and changing coaches we arent never gonna win anything. relax and see what happens next year.

ensign_lee
12-18-2006, 12:51 AM
wtf? Why we do that?

Did you not SEE our growing pains this year transitioning to the 4-3? And now you want to add MORE growing pains? Why would you do that? Nobody on this staff has any experience with the 3-4, none at all. Who exactly is going to be teaching this stuff?

Boy, will that be a scary day when we switch back to a 3-4, since we spent, oh...I dunno...the entire offseason focusing on switching to the 4-3 (Mario, Weaver, DeMeco...)

sportsoutlaw
12-18-2006, 01:00 AM
The best option for Houston would be to move back to the 3-4. It works great, and with the talent that is being pushed out of the college ranks, it just fits 3-4 styles better.

Defensive Ends in college seem better fitted for 3-4 OLB's, and defensive lines are starting experiencing better success with smaller guys attacking the typical offensive line. (this is why you see teams utilizing the two tight end set more).

Things are changing at the college level, and scouts and coaches need to be able to look to the future and apply some common sense.

Moving back to the 3-4 gives you better options in the draft, and as an added bonus, Peyton Manning gets very rattled when facing this type of defense.

ensign_lee
12-18-2006, 01:02 AM
The best option for Houston would be to move back to the 3-4. It works great, and with the talent that is being pushed out of the college ranks, it just fits 3-4 styles better.

Defensive Ends in college seem better fitted for 3-4 OLB's, and defensive lines are starting experiencing better success with smaller guys attacking the typical offensive line. (this is why you see teams utilizing the two tight end set more).

Things are changing at the college level, and scouts and coaches need to be able to look to the future and apply some common sense.

Moving back to the 3-4 gives you better options in the draft, and as an added bonus, Peyton Manning gets very rattled when facing this type of defense.

Isn't he like 8-0 lifetime vs. the TEXANS version of hte 3-4?

TreWardTxn
12-18-2006, 01:04 AM
The 3-4 switch is half the reason the Texans are a bottom-feeder team now. Coming off a near .500 season we went to the 3-4, wasted time, draft picks, and good veteran talent. The club already found out that Travis Johnson is not a 3-4 nose (he may not be a 4-3 nose for that matter). Stay the course, get Demeco a savage wingman, and add a ballhawk in the secondary, please just keep moving forward instead of re-plowing old ground. Having athletic guys like Mario and Peek who can play as down linemen gives you ability to add in some 3-4 variety and versatility without overhauling the entire scheme

jhowie007
12-18-2006, 01:07 AM
Hmmmm.... Maybe our defense sucks because they are just out there too much because our offense turns the ball over before they even have a chance to punt the ball. Those guys are physically spent by the second quarter.

sportsoutlaw
12-18-2006, 01:10 AM
Isn't he like 8-0 lifetime vs. the TEXANS version of hte 3-4?

Considering the Texans have faced him as an expansion team, yes. Everyone has to start somewhere.

Look at his record verse different defenses. the 3-4 is where he struggles.

Attack the weakness.

LORK 88
12-18-2006, 01:13 AM
we keep switching offensive and defensive schemes and changing coaches we arent never gonna win anything. relax and see what happens next year.
Exactly. If we keep switching back and forth, we'll have a big mess of 3-4 and 4-3 players that would lead to another mediocre/poor defense. Keep the 4-3, just work on getting a pass rush and make it more agressive. This is year 1 of the 4-3, we just need to be patient and see what happens.

Grid
12-18-2006, 01:16 AM
plus the 4-3 is alot more exciting to watch :D

Insideop
12-18-2006, 02:06 AM
I think this would be a bad idea. I believe we are a safety, a corner, and a OLB short of having a dominant defense. And I think at least one or two of those can be picked up in FA. JMHO!

HJam72
12-18-2006, 03:12 AM
I think this would be a bad idea. I believe we are a safety, a corner, and a OLB short of having a dominant defense. And I think at least one or two of those can be picked up in FA. JMHO!

That's how I feel. This may be bad, but our defense is most of the improvement this year. I also agree that they'd be better if the offense would spend more time on the field.

beerlover
12-18-2006, 09:57 AM
oh yeah big improvement on defense :shades: still near the bottom in the NFL, 28th maybe worse in points allowed & thats with adding both top two picks on the defensive side. no need to address the defense then, the Texans are on track to be one of the premier defenses in the NFL. forget about adjusting the scheme to the talent level, drafting 1st overall & putting him into a position where he is constantly double teamed & chipped to death. kinda like drafting a QB 1st overall then unable to address his protection until he becomes shell shocked. nevermind it was a very bad idea :lightbulb: the defense is fine & on track all the Texans need to do is address offense :sarcasm:

Hervoyel
12-18-2006, 11:53 AM
The defense is playing better now than they were at the start of the season. Anyone paying attention should be able to see this clearly. Yesterday they were literally crucified by their own offense and the "human turnover machine" that is David Carr. The Texans should stick with what they're doing because progress can be seen (unlike the other side of the ball) and flip-flopping between defensive systems is only going to serve to keep the defense from ever getting any better.

Brandon420tx
12-18-2006, 02:47 PM
The best way to improve our defense is to get first downs on offense.

I feel our defense has finally adjusted to being a 4-3 and lately it has been one of the better defenses in the league.

As insideop said, we're a free safety, corner, and an OLB away from being dominant. (and we need our DL to stay healthy)

edo783
12-18-2006, 03:53 PM
To switch back to the 34 would be incredilbly stupid IMO. It didn't work very well for us the last couple of years, we have started shifting personell type and the group seems to be getting a handle on the 43.

Trenches
12-18-2006, 03:59 PM
next year. when Seth returns, Williams/Payne/Weaver or draft a rookie NT in the 3rd/4th rds. this would allow the Texans to trade down & still draft the best corner available & pick up another 2nd/3rd pick to address more holes. I would then move Dunta Robinson to FS. so that would leave Faggins & rookie (Leon Hall) as your corners using Dunta's aggressiveness & excellent run support to spy & shutdown the middle. DeMeco could play the weakside OLB & combination of Peek/Babin strongside with Morlan/Wong/Orr/Polk rotating in the middle. I like to keep Glen Earl as the starting SS. CC Brown gives the Texans experience & depth.

with the two 2nd rd. draft picks the Texans could look @ QB, RB, OT, CB depending on who is available but I think this would be the fastest way to turn this train wreck around. if not & the Texans stay in the 4-3 not only do we still need CB add to that DT & LB. with the revolting developments with QB, RB & OL there are simply too many holes to fill if they stay with the same schemes.

at least thats my :twocents:

are you kidding?

IMO, this was one of the BIGGEST mistakes that Capers and Co. made. Do you know how many college teams play the 3-4? As of last year it was around 4. Trying to plug college DE's in at OLB is jus STUPID. It takes TIME to learn this complicated defense. Even for college LB's its tough. Notice that the GOOD teams that run the 3-4 (Patriots, Steelers) plug in veterans when they need a new body. notice how bad our D slipped when they started cutting veterans?

stay 4-3, learn to cover and move the freaking chains on offense.

sleepwalker
12-18-2006, 04:01 PM
Bad idea.

beerlover
12-18-2006, 05:01 PM
stay in the 4-3 & the Texans still need a stud in the middle of the D-Line, CB, FS & OLB, offense needs a QB, RB, OT & Center. at least by changing to the 3-4 all we would need to take immediately is a CB which we could get & still trade down from the first pick & aquire at least an extra 2nd. our present linebackers know & can play in the 3-4 & moving Dunta to FS would satisfy that need. DeMeco & Peek would be our pass rushing specilists with Babin & DeMeco in running situations, basicly DeMeco is used every defensive down with the others in a rotation. Mario is not a DE he is a DT the type that requires double teams, he is a hard to find type of player & fits this scheme better, even more so with help in the middle & OLB's rushing the QB from every angle, on stunts, delays & the like.

the Texans could use both 2nd rd picks on the offense, bpa @ needs changing the entire look of Kubiaks offense, take a pair of playmakers like RB Michael Bush & QB Troy Smith. use 3rd rd. pick for the offensive line & 4th rd. pick for Center. Smith/Kubiak could then address defense again in the 5th rd. NT, CB or another OLB. Not to mention the cuts/trades, roster changes & free agency aquisitions.

my bad real stupid :ok: