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Double Barrel
02-11-2007, 11:45 AM
VY didn't come into Reliant and prove anything. Re ran for a TD. The Titans won a game. "what Sherman did to the South...". not quite.:bubble:

Young probably proved more in one game than our QB has proven in five seasons. We're still trying to get a good evaluation on our guy, though, so stay tuned for details. :ok:

SamuraiSword
02-11-2007, 11:50 AM
Casserly is that you :confused:

LOL:doot:

Honoring Earl 34
02-11-2007, 12:10 PM
VY didn't come into Reliant and prove anything. Re ran for a TD. The Titans won a game. "what Sherman did to the South...". not quite.:bubble:

Sherman's march to the sea broke the South's back .... he basically kicked their ass and made them like it . Kinda like after Young scored ... Vince proclaimed this was his house .

The Titan game had McNair trying to justify keeping you know who .... remember the 6 coach phrase .

It was known that Vince told his team he really wanted this game . Carr knew this ... oh wait is'nt this the 52 second whatever you want to do Coach game .

So everybody who has interest in the Texans got slapped that day . Tell me what happened the next week . How did we respond ?

Deflate the ball win games ... starting over .

Destruction ... humiliation ... rebuild ... prosper . I think we're rebuilding now ... we can move forward .

QB75
02-11-2007, 02:13 PM
Sherman's march to the sea broke the South's back .... he basically kicked their ass and made them like it . Kinda like after Young scored ... Vince proclaimed this was his house .

The Titan game had McNair trying to justify keeping you know who .... remember the 6 coach phrase .

It was known that Vince told his team he really wanted this game . Carr knew this ... oh wait is'nt this the 52 second whatever you want to do Coach game .

So everybody who has interest in the Texans got slapped that day . Tell me what happened the next week . How did we respond ?

Deflate the ball win games ... starting over .

Destruction ... humiliation ... rebuild ... prosper . I think we're rebuilding now ... we can move forward .

"His house"... yeah sure. I guess that neither Vince nor some Texans fans will ever get over the fact that he is unlikely to ever be a Texan. :highfive: No everyone however.

Honoring Earl 34
02-11-2007, 08:36 PM
"His house"... yeah sure. I guess that neither Vince nor some Texans fans will ever get over the fact that he is unlikely to ever be a Texan. :highfive: No everyone however.

Well as Jim Rome would say ... Vince has scoreboard .

Oh and for the record most Texan fans would have taken Leinart or Cutler also .

TEXANRED
02-11-2007, 09:11 PM
ahh... a gambler. How long do you have to fly Young's pic?

and if you wanna make another bet, I will bet you Young has a better stat line in 2007 than Carr. Loser gets a David Carr tatoo on his forearm. ( I'll pay either way ).

( although it is not going to cost me anything, because I'll get the tatoo shop to spring the ink for free, in return for the TV coverage. McClain will drop your name for sure... maybe for the next 10 to 20 years too. Heck, you might even get a line in SI and a cameo in Madden. )

As long as we are throwing free tats around i was wanting a Texan Bull tat. That would make a good segment, a bunch of Texan fans getting inked to support there team.

TwinSisters
02-11-2007, 09:39 PM
As long as we are throwing free tats around i was wanting a Texan Bull tat. That would make a good segment, a bunch of Texan fans getting inked to support there team.

man, that wouldn't sell. That's dog bites man.

You have to one up that dude from Chicago that bet his name on a game. If you used the same gimmick with Carr in Houston over Young ( except with tatoos )... that would sell. That's man bites dog.

QB75
02-11-2007, 10:14 PM
Well as Jim Rome would say ... Vince has scoreboard .

Oh and for the record most Texan fans would have taken Leinart or Cutler also .

oh, "for the record"... how would you know? And who cares.

Mr. White
02-11-2007, 10:33 PM
oh, "for the record"... how would you know?

Why don't you go around and ask some of 'em? Only about 90% want a change at QB.

Honoring Earl 34
02-11-2007, 10:52 PM
oh, "for the record"... how would you know? And who cares.

I care a whole lot that's why I post .

I also talk to a lot of people here and in normal everyday life ... they wanted a change .

Sometimes our time comes and goes and we have no say so in the matter .

thunderkyss
02-12-2007, 07:19 AM
Well as Jim Rome would say ... Vince has scoreboard .

Oh and for the record most Texan fans would have taken Leinart or Cutler also .

Don't forget Brees....... I'd have been fine with Brees, or Garcia even...... two FA QBs we missed out on.

Honoring Earl 34
02-12-2007, 08:55 AM
Don't forget Brees....... I'd have been fine with Brees, or Garcia even...... two FA QBs we missed out on.

I agree ... I would have loved to get Brees and Mario .

I like Mario ... I think he was hitting his stride in the Giants game . Then of course his foot went south .

El Amigo Invisible
02-12-2007, 09:39 AM
Take Brees and pass on Young/Matteo/Cutler. I do not think you guys would have been happy worth letting DC go at that point. Oh wait! Look where we are now.

swtbound07
03-15-2007, 07:03 AM
Hey Look! Its early March, and of all the things i said that wouldn't happen...hey look, none of them have happened. I realize I have a lot of offseason to weather yet...just worth noting.

Mr. White
03-15-2007, 07:25 AM
My favorite thread's back.

Bear
03-15-2007, 08:23 AM
Hey Look! Its early March, and of all the things i said that wouldn't happen...hey look, none of them have happened. I realize I have a lot of offseason to weather yet...just worth noting.

Kinda funny how you were spinning your previous comments when the trade rumors started to swirl.... With nothing happening, you start to pound your chest while patting yourself on the back?

If/when your predicitons don't pan out, expect 10 fold coming back at you.

Good luck.

DarkNinja
03-15-2007, 08:55 AM
Allright, I've kept my mouth shut for quite some time, but its time to put some things out on the table that I happen to know, and dispel some of the common myths on this board. I absolutely refuse to reveal my source, but you can take this stuff or leave it, won't change that im right.

One, for everyone saying that today was the last straw, and David Carr has to go, your wrong twice. For one thing, he should have gone last year, THAT was the last straw.

Two, and let me put this in bold so you can understand this:
David Carr Will Be Allowed to play out the remainder of his contract extension. PERIOD.
You can draw up lists, look at free agents, do whatever you want. Carr will be here until his extension runs out, and its very possible he could get a new contract after that.

even if we WERE looking to acquire a quarterback, it wouldn't be matt schaub. the price will be too high, and frankly he will be the most sought after qb on the market, and we cant pull that.

We won't draft Kevin Kolb. PERIOD. Not even in the 7th. Our scouting department and team have a policy to avoid local players. I can't tell you why, but I can promise you that we aint getting any UH or UT boys. Let it go.

Jake Plummer aint coming to save us. Its not happening. we won't pick up another qb.

Andre, David, and Dunta aren't going to be benched. its not happening.

Mcnair isn't going to publicly apologize. its not happening.

If they don't draft local players....How did Steve McKinney come on board? He is from Clear Lake:confused:

titan hater
03-15-2007, 09:17 AM
This might be the most alarmist thread I have read on this MB. OK, I admit that I only got through 3 pages of it, but why would the organization leak rumers to a MB guy? Why not the media? Come on man, if you can't site a source I can give it no creditability. Futhermore, why would anyone want to scare an entire city with no proof. Come on swtbound07...your better then this....

Texan_Bill
03-15-2007, 09:24 AM
We won't draft Kevin Kolb. PERIOD. Not even in the 7th. Our scouting department and team have a policy to avoid local players. I can't tell you why, but I can promise you that we aint getting any UH or UT boys. Let it go.

Just curious, why would this apply to just the draft and not signing veterans?

Steve McKinney (current)
Aaron Glenn
Moran Norris
Antwain Smith
etc.

HOU-TEX
03-15-2007, 09:24 AM
Hey Look! Its early March, and of all the things i said that wouldn't happen...hey look, none of them have happened. I realize I have a lot of offseason to weather yet...just worth noting.

Dang swt, everytime you bring this thread up it's like peeing in my Wheaties.:)

swtbound07
03-15-2007, 09:25 AM
I'll admit, I kind of enjoy it...its my own bit of schadenfraude

michaelm
03-15-2007, 09:30 AM
Come on swtbound07...your better then this....


ehh... Do you have a link or other proof to back this statement up?
Without information to substantiate this claim, it's only unconfirmed rumor, IMO... :dance2:

swtbound07
03-15-2007, 09:33 AM
ehh... Do you have a link or other proof to back this statement up?
Without information to substantiate this claim, it's only unconfirmed rumor, IMO... :dance2:

I must spread rep around before giving it to you again....that made me laugh quite loudly

Jwwillis
03-15-2007, 09:41 AM
Completely wrong. If McNair wants to continue to be the laughingstock of the league while losing a dwindling fan base then Carr will be back. It would be franchise suicide to keep running the guy out there. I'm sorry but I have a hard time believing that Mr. McNair is really that dumb of a business man considering his non-football success.


Waiting line for season tickets....HUGE cap hit if we release Carr. Hmmm not sure about the bad business move you are talking about.

Only part of the original post i dont understand is..."Our scouting department and team have a policy to avoid local players. I can't tell you why, but I can promise you that we aint getting any UH or UT boys. Let it go.".....THIS makes no sense at all. It makes me think the rest of the post is bogus too.

michaelm
03-15-2007, 09:41 AM
I must spread rep around before giving it to you again....that made me laugh quite loudly

I thought it was good for a morning laugh...

Did you get a chance to check out Flock?

swtbound07
03-15-2007, 09:43 AM
I thought it was good for a morning laugh...

Did you get a chance to check out Flock?

wouldn't load on my laptop.

michaelm
03-15-2007, 09:46 AM
wouldn't load on my laptop.

I never heard of any thing like that before... strange. Do you ever have problems loading non-mozilla based apps?

thunderkyss
03-15-2007, 09:47 AM
Waiting line for season tickets....HUGE cap hit if we release Carr. Hmmm not sure about the bad business move you are talking about.


Not exactly.

We save money by letting David go.

It will cost us $7.75million against the cap to keep him

It will cost us $4million against the cap to trade him

It will cost us $2million(this year & next) against the cap to cut him

The most fiscally responsible thing to do, is to cut him after June 1st.

swtbound07
03-15-2007, 09:47 AM
I never heard of any thing like that before... strange. Do you ever have problems loading non-mozilla based apps?

i have lots of problems loading things on this laptop...its just old.

michaelm
03-15-2007, 09:49 AM
i have lots of problems loading things on this laptop...its just old.


Ah, gotcha. I thought it was just having problems digesting mozilla.

Jwwillis
03-15-2007, 09:56 AM
Not exactly.

We save money by letting David go.

It will cost us $7.75million against the cap to keep him

It will cost us $4million against the cap to trade him

It will cost us $2million(this year & next) against the cap to cut him

The most fiscally responsible thing to do, is to cut him after June 1st.

I dont think his replacement is going to play free might as well add his salary. If you are thinking our existing corp of QB's will be taking us to the promise land, or even be better than Carr, I disagree.

bckey
03-15-2007, 09:58 AM
mark it down. I stand by everything i've said and will eat crow if i'm wrong and never bother you with my inside information again. There is a real source, and if im ever in a position to do so i will reveal it. Right now, I can't.


Consider it marked down. My source is the same one Herv has. Common friggin sense.

thunderkyss
03-15-2007, 10:08 AM
I dont think his replacement is going to play free might as well add his salary. If you are thinking our existing corp of QB's will be taking us to the promise land, or even be better than Carr, I disagree.

His immediate replacement doesn't have to get us to the promised land. All he has to do, is not hamstring the team, and allow us to learn how to play... Let our 2nd & 3rd reciever feel like they are running routes for a reason. Allow our starting 5 to do their job, and not get blamed for the QBs indecisiveness. Allow us to go into week 16 &17 with a game plan that includes throwing the ball.

michaelm
03-15-2007, 10:51 AM
Allow us to go into week 16 &17 with a game plan that includes throwing the ball.


What is this "throw the ball" of which you speak? I do not believe I am familiar with this concept. Is it something new?




Oh, you kids today..! Surely you rapscallions are just having fun with an old man... Throw the ball indeed..! What a marvelous sense of humor you have, Mr. Kyss. Marvelous, I say!


:)

Jwwillis
03-15-2007, 11:27 AM
His immediate replacement doesn't have to get us to the promised land. All he has to do, is not hamstring the team, and allow us to learn how to play... Let our 2nd & 3rd reciever feel like they are running routes for a reason. Allow our starting 5 to do their job, and not get blamed for the QBs indecisiveness. Allow us to go into week 16 &17 with a game plan that includes throwing the ball.


lol...GL

petedy
03-15-2007, 11:52 AM
If they are planning to keep David Carr why has Kubiak gone to Norte Dame to watch Quinn?Why has David stopped construction on his new home?Why has Sage been at every news conference and not David?Also,Carr has kept a very low profile in public and he knows how a lot of people in Houston feels about him and so what is he going to say?Personally I hope he gets traded or released not because he hasn't produced but doesn't need to be in a place where you are not wanted.If by chance he does stay it will be only for this coming season.It was said it would take two years to learn Kubiak's system and they may keep him through this season.This though is contingent on what Kubiak wants to do and McNair will do what he wants.

real
03-15-2007, 12:19 PM
I SERIOUSLY, SERIOUSLY doubt they bring David back. You can't march that guy out there as a starter and expect people to believe you when you say "we're trying to win games", because obviously you're not. They'd just be spending another year sacraficing the devolopment of the team just to see if David can "get it"... You have seen David play for 5 yrs, and you know what he can and can't do. He has never shown the ability to put a team on his back and make plays. Why would you put him out there for another season and expect different results? That's what insanity is.

He won't be back as a back-up either. He'd have to play special teams and all that other stuff that comes with being second string. They aren't going to embarrass the guy like that.

The only decent thing to do is trade David. For his sake, and ours.

Mr. White
03-15-2007, 12:25 PM
When this thread was written, there were no trade rumors out there yet. While I hoped it wouldn't be true, it wouldn't have surprised me if it were.

There's way too much water under the bridge now for David to come back and act like everything's cool....and I'm not talking about rumors. I'm talking about Patrick Ramsey coming in and getting told that he'd get a chance to compete for the starting QB job.

Then add all the stuff that's been said in the media by the FO...him stopping construction on his new house....teammates throwing him under the bus....any self-respecting guy would demand a release if they can't trade him.

Dime
03-15-2007, 12:48 PM
Quick Question SWT. Considering your source, and I am not looking to know who it is, but have you considered his information with two things in mind?

#1. How far he is from the direct leadership of the Texans and might not be privy to strategys to market Carr? Being this is what is said long term to the players/coaches but they are doing it in case a deal doesnt go down.

#2 Why would they convey this message in any other reason then he is staying UNTIL they move Carr on. I mean, if this is a coach or player, arent they told they are there for the long haul anyways until the high upper management trades them? I have seen many players who are shocked they are a part of a trade package not knowing themselves until they are already traded.

I just think it is general practice to always, no matter who it is, give the impression that they will be on the team until otherwise traded. couldnt it be a case of this?

The Pencil Neck
03-15-2007, 02:00 PM
If they are planning to keep David Carr why has Kubiak gone to Norte Dame to watch Quinn?Why has David stopped construction on his new home?Why has Sage been at every news conference and not David?Also,Carr has kept a very low profile in public and he knows how a lot of people in Houston feels about him and so what is he going to say?


Well, I don't think Carr is a good QB but...

It's March. Kubiak could have gone to Notre Dame to watch other people besides Quinn or he could be looking at Quinn. Or he might be trying to make someone THINK he's looking at Quinn to see what they'll offer in a trade (whether he wants Quinn or not).

Everything is a smoke screen at this point... or at least I hope our FO is smart enough to MAKE everything a smoke screen at this point. We've got a long way to go before any of us standing on the outside have the slightest idea what's really going on. (Not that we'll ever know what's REALLY going on...)

real
03-15-2007, 02:27 PM
Well, I don't think Carr is a good QB but...

It's March. Kubiak could have gone to Notre Dame to watch other people besides Quinn or he could be looking at Quinn. Or he might be trying to make someone THINK he's looking at Quinn to see what they'll offer in a trade (whether he wants Quinn or not).

Everything is a smoke screen at this point... or at least I hope our FO is smart enough to MAKE everything a smoke screen at this point. We've got a long way to go before any of us standing on the outside have the slightest idea what's really going on. (Not that we'll ever know what's REALLY going on...)

Why would you want everything to be a smoke screen ?

I would hope that they're doing some actual scouting and evaluation instead of wasting most/all of their time playing "gotcha"....

Double Barrel
03-15-2007, 02:47 PM
There are going to be a lot of upset, shell shocked fans in 2007 when Carr is the Texans QB. I tried to warn ya', riding through the proverbial town like Paul Revere, prepare and brace yourselves for the reality check.

But noooOOooOOoo, y'all had to live the dream, buy the delusion, eat up the illusion that Carr is with another team in 2007.

Put down the gun, it'll be alright. He can't be our starter forever, it's just a game, you have more important things in life to live for, yada yada yada 'we just have to execute the gameplan'.

:joker:

TK_Gamer
03-15-2007, 03:40 PM
IMHO Carr will be gone by June 1st. it may be in a trade before the draft, it may be in a draft day trade or he may be released( the cap smart way to go) on or before June first. I wouldnt be surprised if they were forced to keep him one more year either though, if they cant get his replacement thru trade or the draft. funny things happen on draft day.

Porky
03-15-2007, 05:13 PM
There are going to be a lot of upset, shell shocked fans in 2007 when Carr is the Texans QB. I tried to warn ya', riding through the proverbial town like Paul Revere, prepare and brace yourselves for the reality check.

But noooOOooOOoo, y'all had to live the dream, buy the delusion, eat up the illusion that Carr is with another team in 2007.

Put down the gun, it'll be alright. He can't be our starter forever, it's just a game, you have more important things in life to live for, yada yada yada 'we just have to execute the gameplan'.

:joker:

I know there are a few of you diehards that refuse to see the handwriting on the wall, but the only way they could be more clear about thier intentions is if they rented the Goodyear blimp and flew it around Houston for weeks with a huge scrolling message that said David Carr will not be here in 2007.

Jwwillis
03-15-2007, 06:17 PM
Carr will QB the Texans in '07 and your gonna like it damit! :wild:

We will make the playoffs for the 1st time and Carr will get an extension. :beerfunnel:

hadaad
03-15-2007, 06:18 PM
I know there are a few of you diehards that refuse to see the handwriting on the wall, but the only way they could be more clear about thier intentions is if they rented the Goodyear blimp and flew it around Houston for weeks with a huge scrolling message that said David Carr will not be here in 2007.

Lemme know when you see that, Porky.
Everyone lies before the draft. It's just the way it goes.

thunderkyss
03-15-2007, 06:31 PM
I know there are a few of you diehards that refuse to see the handwriting on the wall, but the only way they could be more clear about thier intentions is if they rented the Goodyear blimp and flew it around Houston for weeks with a huge scrolling message that said David Carr will not be here in 2007.

I agree with Double, and a few others. Kubiak & Smith made their intentions pretty clear at the end of the season. Then all of a sudden, they want to make sure they get good value?? Make sure they get equal value?? a better option??

To me, it sounds like they understand that it isn't hard to upgrade, but selling it to McNair may not be so easy. Plummer, while I don't like the idea, I'm sure that would have been an easy sell, regardless what the Carr Homers say.

But back to my original point. When has Kubiak cared about getting equal value, or upgrading a position before cutting a player??

He didn't feel that way when he cut Robaire, Moran, or Wand. He didn't feel that way, when he cut Buchanon. He didn't care about fair value when we cut Moulds. He wasn't happy with them, and didn't even dangle them.

I'm not buying it. I'm thinking McNair put his foot down, and let it be known that David will not be embarassed, and just cut from the team.

MATRIX
03-15-2007, 06:37 PM
Im in the know...and believe me i wish i wasn't. Knowledge strips optimism. These decisions were made by Mcnair. Kubiak has 3 years to turn DC into a winner, then one of them is gone...and it probably won't be Carr.


While I agree with this...I hate this post. If they canned Kubiak and kept Carr if he continues bad play. The city would riot over it.

But, stanger things have happened.

So, I hope in this post above your wrong...but seeing I talk to some inside, I doubt you are.

Double Barrel
03-15-2007, 06:39 PM
I know there are a few of you diehards that refuse to see the handwriting on the wall, but the only way they could be more clear about thier intentions is if they rented the Goodyear blimp and flew it around Houston for weeks with a huge scrolling message that said David Carr will not be here in 2007.

I'm not a "diehard" and just to clarify, I'm not a homer/hater, but more of a realist. And I'm just trying to adjust my own perspective to be prepared that DC will be in TC come next August. Setting myself up for disappointment based upon unrealistic expectations is not my cup of tea

This pov is based on the Texans wanting a certain value for Carr that other teams are not willing to give at this point. And based upon what little we really know right now (which, in truth, is not much), they think he's still got some potential, which is enough to prevent them from cutting him outright.

I have little doubt that the FO would have moved him by now if given an acceptable offer. Obviously he's still on the roster for a reason. Of course, all of this is subject to change, and I don't have any more insight than the rest of us.

But the fact of the matter is that DC is still a Texan, nobody has traded for him, and we know the FO believes he's got value based upon potential. Tell me what you see in the tea leaves if you believe otherwise (not talking about what you want, but just an objective analysis of our current situation).

MATRIX
03-15-2007, 07:14 PM
not done with you b-wagon. how much clearer do i have to make it, you wear titans gear, you arent a Texans fan. period.

i wore oilers gear when they played here. i once wore a jamal anderson when i was living in savannah, georgia when we had no NFL entry. but ever since we got our team back, i have worn nothing but Texans gear. get off your high horse.

Your planet called...they said keep you.

dirty steve
03-15-2007, 07:31 PM
Your planet called...they said keep you.
how many pages of this thread did you read through to find that, it had to be at least a week ago.

the statement still stands. i dont know how hard it is to understand that you rep the team that you root for, not flip-flop to wherever your favorite player goes to.

Houston_Fanatic
03-15-2007, 07:36 PM
Im in the know...and believe me i wish i wasn't. Knowledge strips optimism. These decisions were made by Mcnair. Kubiak has 3 years to turn DC into a winner, then one of them is gone...and it probably won't be Carr.

Then McNair will have become the new Al Davis of the league.

HoustonFrog
03-15-2007, 09:45 PM
I'm not a "diehard" and just to clarify, I'm not a homer/hater, but more of a realist. And I'm just trying to adjust my own perspective to be prepared that DC will be in TC come next August. Setting myself up for disappointment based upon unrealistic expectations is not my cup of tea

This pov is based on the Texans wanting a certain value for Carr that other teams are not willing to give at this point. And based upon what little we really know right now (which, in truth, is not much), they think he's still got some potential, which is enough to prevent them from cutting him outright.

I have little doubt that the FO would have moved him by now if given an acceptable offer. Obviously he's still on the roster for a reason. Of course, all of this is subject to change, and I don't have any more insight than the rest of us.

But the fact of the matter is that DC is still a Texan, nobody has traded for him, and we know the FO believes he's got value based upon potential. Tell me what you see in the tea leaves if you believe otherwise (not talking about what you want, but just an objective analysis of our current situation).

I was listening to Palillo driving home for work and he put it perfectly. Considering he may be smarter than most Houston sports personalities combined, despite the surliness, I think it was dead on.

The basic gist was an explanation on the market for Carr. He said Carr hasn't done a thing in 5 years. He would have to be paid 5 mil if he is traded. He said that many teams may have deals in the work but it would depend on him taking a cut. If he doesn't take a cut he would demand being cut. All in all though, and this is straight from his mouth, he said Carr would be an moron that deserved to be traded if he didn't see the writing on the wall. The organization wants to trade him but is evaluating his value considering he is a 1st rounder.

Honestly, he is dead on. He has a FO wanting him gone. He has players wanting him gone. He knows he could do better or be more stable elsewhere considering the situation. There isn't a reason to have the guy around when the Sheeyt has already hit the fan. I think it is a matter of desparately trying to get the most out of a trade. If we got a 4th, I'd be thrilled. the problem right now isn't someone taking him off our hands it is someone taking him off our hands and one year of his salary unless he restructures. Overall though I don't see him being here and causing more tension. I think there is a definite correlation as to why there hasn't been a response to the Dunta comments.

Ibar_Harry
03-16-2007, 01:21 AM
Allright, I've kept my mouth shut for quite some time, but its time to put some things out on the table that I happen to know, and dispel some of the common myths on this board. I absolutely refuse to reveal my source, but you can take this stuff or leave it, won't change that im right.

One, for everyone saying that today was the last straw, and David Carr has to go, your wrong twice. For one thing, he should have gone last year, THAT was the last straw.

Two, and let me put this in bold so you can understand this:
David Carr Will Be Allowed to play out the remainder of his contract extension. PERIOD.
You can draw up lists, look at free agents, do whatever you want. Carr will be here until his extension runs out, and its very possible he could get a new contract after that.

even if we WERE looking to acquire a quarterback, it wouldn't be matt schaub. the price will be too high, and frankly he will be the most sought after qb on the market, and we cant pull that.

We won't draft Kevin Kolb. PERIOD. Not even in the 7th. Our scouting department and team have a policy to avoid local players. I can't tell you why, but I can promise you that we aint getting any UH or UT boys. Let it go.

Jake Plummer aint coming to save us. Its not happening. we won't pick up another qb.

Andre, David, and Dunta aren't going to be benched. its not happening.

Mcnair isn't going to publicly apologize. its not happening.

To begin with I like David Carr and its has been no secret for a long time. I don't believe the team ever developed around his abilities. I can go along with what you are saying, but I think the real problem is they have handled this so badly that its not possible for Carr to stay around. McNair and Carr would have to have a lot of guts to pull that off.

Carr could lead the team to the SB and even that would not be enough. There is simply to much bitterness in Houston for Carr to stay. The VY/Bush thing last year was literally the straw that broke the camels back. As I have often stated this is like a bad marriage and there is no reconsiliation possible. Its time for the Texans and David to move in different directions.

I have no doubt in my mind Carr wants to stay to the bitter end. That is simply the nature of not wanting to give in. A lot has been left on the table and not all of it is his fault. I keep looking at the Texans and asking what really is their plan? I think its a little better this year, but not enough so far to make a real difference.

After all of these years we still have no LT. They seem to have no plan to acquire a top LT. That says they are totally interested in the running game and that really shouldn't be a surprise. If that's the case, as I have always stated, why then take David. His forte is not handing off the ball. The running game the Texans are utilizing is not designed to protect the QB.

I haven't seen a QB in the NFL, including Payton, who can withstand a colapsing line. Any, and, ALL Qb's in the NFL can be made to look like fools on any given day if they don't have adequate protection. I sometimes think with the increased size of the QB's in the NFL coaches have begun to think they don't need protection. However, that's not the case. The game is changing tremendously based on the size and strength of the defensive players. Fran Tarkington could not play in the league as it is today and be successful.

DRAMA
03-16-2007, 06:04 AM
I think the real problem is they have handled this so badly that its not possible for Carr to stay around. McNair and Carr would have to have a lot of guts to pull that off.

It took guts to take mario Williams, too...and they did that! :)


After all of these years we still have no LT. They seem to have no plan to acquire a top LT. That says they are totally interested in the running game and that really shouldn't be a surprise. If that's the case, as I have always stated, why then take David. His forte is not handing off the ball. The running game the Texans are utilizing is not designed to protect the QB.

I agree in part but to be honest, the team was the most successful WHEN David just handed off the ball. That's what happens when
the bootleg,
the shotgun,
the 7 step drop,
and the 18-20 yard pass are eliminated from your game planning. It got to a point last year, that the head coach could simply NOT call plays that required one of those scenarios. That kind of tips your hand to your opponent and yeah, they usually send the the whole bunch after us.


As for our tackles, hopefully we're not the Eagles with their WR's. The Eagles can't get their WR situation in order no matter what they do.

To be fair, Charles Spencer is considered their starting LT. He's a seriously nasty tackle that simply had his leg busted. They also took Winston and will most likely take 1-2 more linemen this draft, along with signing Black who was considered the starter for the Chiefs next year by every publication around. The Chiefs starting left tackle now plays for the Texans - that's not TOO bad. But I see where you're coming from on this.

We won't truly know until we see another QB play behind this line, which will happen this year IMHO.

thunderkyss
03-16-2007, 01:29 PM
One common theme here that is erroneous is that the fans who want Carr gone, carry weight. The same goes with fans who believe Carr has the skills too take us to the best season we've had. What ever is decided, will be made by the men who get the big pay-check and have their jobs on the line to make the correct choice. I'm hoping that Carr will take us to our 1st year of having a winning record. :texan:

It's understandable, that we the fans carry no weight. What is new here in Houston, is that for the first time, an honest assessment of David Carr's playing ability has been given by the head coach, and the GM, that was not flattering in any way. Our GM said in fact, that we were disappointed in the play from the QB position, and we plan on doing something to upgrade the position.

Forget about what the fans say, it's clear that we've been looking for alternatives for our starting QB.

bckey
03-21-2007, 11:24 PM
Allright, I've kept my mouth shut for quite some time, but its time to put some things out on the table that I happen to know, and dispel some of the common myths on this board. I absolutely refuse to reveal my source, but you can take this stuff or leave it, won't change that im right.

One, for everyone saying that today was the last straw, and David Carr has to go, your wrong twice. For one thing, he should have gone last year, THAT was the last straw.

Two, and let me put this in bold so you can understand this:
David Carr Will Be Allowed to play out the remainder of his contract extension. PERIOD.
You can draw up lists, look at free agents, do whatever you want. Carr will be here until his extension runs out, and its very possible he could get a new contract after that.

even if we WERE looking to acquire a quarterback, it wouldn't be matt schaub. the price will be too high, and frankly he will be the most sought after qb on the market, and we cant pull that.

We won't draft Kevin Kolb. PERIOD. Not even in the 7th. Our scouting department and team have a policy to avoid local players. I can't tell you why, but I can promise you that we aint getting any UH or UT boys. Let it go.

Jake Plummer aint coming to save us. Its not happening. we won't pick up another qb.

Andre, David, and Dunta aren't going to be benched. its not happening.

Mcnair isn't going to publicly apologize. its not happening.


I couldn't help myself.

swtbound07
03-22-2007, 12:13 AM
hey look...people are complaining about the high cost. meh.

bckey
03-22-2007, 12:25 AM
Allright, I've kept my mouth shut for quite some time, but its time to put some things out on the table that I happen to know, and dispel some of the common myths on this board. I absolutely refuse to reveal my source, but you can take this stuff or leave it, won't change that im right.

One, for everyone saying that today was the last straw, and David Carr has to go, your wrong twice. For one thing, he should have gone last year, THAT was the last straw.

Two, and let me put this in bold so you can understand this:
David Carr Will Be Allowed to play out the remainder of his contract extension. PERIOD.
You can draw up lists, look at free agents, do whatever you want. Carr will be here until his extension runs out, and its very possible he could get a new contract after that.

even if we WERE looking to acquire a quarterback, it wouldn't be matt schaub. the price will be too high, and frankly he will be the most sought after qb on the market, and we cant pull that.

We won't draft Kevin Kolb. PERIOD. Not even in the 7th. Our scouting department and team have a policy to avoid local players. I can't tell you why, but I can promise you that we aint getting any UH or UT boys. Let it go.

Jake Plummer aint coming to save us. Its not happening. we won't pick up another qb.

Andre, David, and Dunta aren't going to be benched. its not happening.

Mcnair isn't going to publicly apologize. its not happening.


This will be the next thing you will be hearing about.

Napa Auto Parts
03-22-2007, 12:29 AM
Allright, I've kept my mouth shut for quite some time, but its time to put some things out on the table that I happen to know, and dispel some of the common myths on this board. I absolutely refuse to reveal my source, but you can take this stuff or leave it, won't change that im right.

One, for everyone saying that today was the last straw, and David Carr has to go, your wrong twice. For one thing, he should have gone last year, THAT was the last straw.

Two, and let me put this in bold so you can understand this:
David Carr Will Be Allowed to play out the remainder of his contract extension. PERIOD.
You can draw up lists, look at free agents, do whatever you want. Carr will be here until his extension runs out, and its very possible he could get a new contract after that.

even if we WERE looking to acquire a quarterback, it wouldn't be matt schaub. the price will be too high, and frankly he will be the most sought after qb on the market, and we cant pull that.

We won't draft Kevin Kolb. PERIOD. Not even in the 7th. Our scouting department and team have a policy to avoid local players. I can't tell you why, but I can promise you that we aint getting any UH or UT boys. Let it go.

Jake Plummer aint coming to save us. Its not happening. we won't pick up another qb.

Andre, David, and Dunta aren't going to be benched. its not happening.

Mcnair isn't going to publicly apologize. its not happening.




Preach On Brother.

Bear
03-22-2007, 09:09 AM
Where is the brash attitude now?

Want some salt with your crow?

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/S-Town/nelson_ha_ha.jpg

ledzeppelin229
03-22-2007, 09:30 AM
I'm sure the salted crow tastes pretty good considering he has wanted Carr gone for awhile.

BeerTastesLikeVictory
03-22-2007, 09:33 AM
You might want to punch your "source" in the face right about now, because he has made you look like a complete jackass

HOU-TEX
03-22-2007, 09:36 AM
Man, tough crowd. The guy was posting something he'd heard from someone he thinks is a reliable source. That's what the MB is for, right? It's not much different than posting about some rumor you read. Geesh

Doom Capers
03-22-2007, 09:36 AM
lol @ this thread

BeerTastesLikeVictory
03-22-2007, 09:39 AM
Im not making predictions sir...im telling you what our owner and organization have already decided. You can bet me if you like.

This is probably why there is a tough crowd. Did someone actually put money down? If so...congrats.

Tayton
03-22-2007, 11:30 AM
Man, tough crowd. The guy was posting something he'd heard from someone he thinks is a reliable source. That's what the MB is for, right? It's not much different than posting about some rumor you read. Geesh

Problem is he "knows" everything about everything. I guess I did when I was 21 too.

Houston_Fanatic
03-22-2007, 04:22 PM
I am just glad he was wrong.

:joker:

real
03-22-2007, 04:38 PM
I don't think SWT cares about being wrong concerning this matter...

real
03-22-2007, 04:38 PM
Problem is he "knows" everything about everything. I guess I did when I was 21 too.

I resent that statement.:wild:

swtbound07
03-22-2007, 04:44 PM
Hit the nail on the head...i could care less about being right..i'm thrilled that Carr is gone and welcome our new qb to houston. I perhaps was a bit dramatic in the phrasing of my information, but i maintain its accuracy at the time.

MATRIX
03-22-2007, 04:50 PM
A source can always be wrong. And I do seem to recall SWT saying that it was fact for THAT DAY AND TIME.

He also said that if it changed, then it changed. So, why would he look bad for a fact on say monday being no longer a fact on wed.

Don't kill the messanger, he was right for the period he said. And till yesterday, sure looked like Carr was staying in town so till the trade, he was right.


And I have been right from my source that Sage WOULD NOT start. Well, look at it now...he won't.

hollywood_texan
03-22-2007, 05:12 PM
I don't understand why people are getting so hung up on SWT and this thread.

Obviously, the organization was old on Carr this time last year and now they have admitted they were wrong.

You guys that are upset with SWT, should really be upset with McNair for creating this situation and being so inflexible last year and not seeing the obvious. When SWT started this thread, I didn't take as that Carr would be on the team forever as much as how inflexible and stubborn McNair is.

It seems like things can change...

SamuraiSword
03-22-2007, 05:18 PM
LOL I can say one thing about this thread needs to be....



:locked:

Dime
03-22-2007, 05:26 PM
As I said before.. I will say again... NO ONE here knows what the real deal is unless you are Kub or McNair, and I dont think they post here. Players, family, and fans are fed anything they can spin on till the real deal falls. Even the own players are shocked when they are traded, because they dont even know what is going on. Just the way it is.

Mr. White
03-22-2007, 05:38 PM
This thread has outlived it's purpose. Now it's turned into a "bash the fan" thread for displaced Carr homers.

:locked:

Consider this another vote.

michaelm
03-22-2007, 05:38 PM
I don't understand why people are getting so hung up on SWT and this thread.

Obviously, the organization was old on Carr this time last year and now they have admitted they were wrong.

You guys that are upset with SWT, should really be upset with McNair for creating this situation and being so inflexible last year and not seeing the obvious. When SWT started this thread, I didn't take as that Carr would be on the team forever as much as how inflexible and stubborn McNair is.

It seems like things can change...

A source can always be wrong. And I do seem to recall SWT saying that it was fact for THAT DAY AND TIME.

He also said that if it changed, then it changed. So, why would he look bad for a fact on say monday being no longer a fact on wed.

Don't kill the messanger, he was right for the period he said. And till yesterday, sure looked like Carr was staying in town so till the trade, he was right.


And I have been right from my source that Sage WOULD NOT start. Well, look at it now...he won't.

Well, if he made a statement on Monday, as you say, and it was arrogant and condescending, then on Tuesday, he came back, dug up his previous statement, said "na na na" to everyone and thumbed his nose at them, I think we should have the right to at least kick the messenger in the sack when Wednesday rolls around and proves his message to be erroneous... but overall, I agree, don't kill the messenger, even if he was pretty pompous with his delivery style...

michaelm
03-22-2007, 05:43 PM
LOL I can say one thing about this thread needs to be....



:locked:

This thread has outlived it's purpose. Now it's turned into a "bash the fan" thread for displaced Carr homers.

:locked:

Consider this another vote.


Don't hate... Cease to participate.

TwinSisters
03-22-2007, 06:17 PM
This thread has outlived it's purpose. Now it's turned into a "bash the fan" thread for displaced Carr homers.

:locked:

Consider this another vote.

If you want it locked, you need to do a few things first... here, let me demonstrate:

The thread is not locked because of Adolf Hitler and terrorists. It's absurd that nobody can see the obvious links. Anybody can see that. Unless you are an *****.

hadaad
03-22-2007, 06:29 PM
I didn't get to post this in the other post (that got deleted seconds after it was created) so I figured I'd copy-paste it here.

Actually, SWT has already gotten an earful from lots of people here and he's handled himself mostly gracefully. Actually, I'm pretty impressed that he's stuck it out. I didn't like what he wrote even when he wrote it but he did and he's still here. I don't think he's going anywhere. (Unlike David Carr... haw haw)

NRowl
03-22-2007, 06:38 PM
I'm not gonna pile on...

But it sure would be cool if swt would change his signature line to something like "I was wrong about EVERYTHING", maybe until the draft??

:stirpot:

Hervoyel
03-22-2007, 07:38 PM
If you want it locked, you need to do a few things first... here, let me demonstrate:

The thread is not locked because of Adolf Hitler and terrorists. It's absurd that nobody can see the obvious links. Anybody can see that. Unless you are an *****.

THAT'S IT! I'M LOCKING THIS THREAD!



Not really. I don't much see the point in it. Somebody else might lock it but I'm not going to do it.

If you keep talking about Hitler though I might have to reconsider.

Scottyboy
03-22-2007, 07:42 PM
Man were we wrong......about everryyyything

:joker: :victory:

swtbound07
03-22-2007, 07:42 PM
don't lock it on my account...i made the statement, and i'm here to take the abuse that resulted from it. For all the people that thought i would run away and cower, I'm still here, and i'm not going anywhere.

Lucky
03-22-2007, 07:50 PM
Why don't you guys get off swt's back. He might come up with a good scoop one day (and be right). I would like to see him share that info, if he does. Cut the guy some slack.

swt, you might want to start including the words maybe, possibly, & perhaps into your vocabulary.

swtbound07
03-22-2007, 07:51 PM
Why don't you guys get off swt's back. He might come up with a good scoop one day (and be right). I would like to see him share that info, if he does. Cut the guy some slack.

swt, you might want to start including the words maybe, possibly, & perhaps into your vocabulary.

Call it a lesson learned in absolutes. Only two things certain in life...death and taxes.

TwinSisters
03-22-2007, 08:03 PM
don't lock it on my account...i made the statement, and i'm here to take the abuse that resulted from it. For all the people that thought i would run away and cower, I'm still here, and i'm not going anywhere.

eh.

It's fine. You could have said nothing and still not have been right.

titan hater
03-22-2007, 08:23 PM
Only two things certain in life...death and taxes.

thats so true...please dont say the texans are going to move any time soon...

aj.
03-22-2007, 08:32 PM
So what's this thread about? I haven't read any of it.

Vinny
03-22-2007, 08:35 PM
So what's this thread about? I haven't read any of it.
A quick synopsis...

SWT opens mouth, inserts foot. I think that about does it. :)

aj.
03-22-2007, 08:36 PM
Oh, ok. Thanks.

Vinny
03-22-2007, 08:40 PM
He just guaranteed that Carr would play his contract out due to his inside source and that was just how it was, and everyone else and their speculation was wrong. I think the forum was just helping him get his size 12's in his pie hole.

Bear
03-23-2007, 08:13 AM
He just guaranteed that Carr would play his contract out due to his inside source and that was just how it was, and everyone else and their speculation was wrong. I think the forum was just helping him get his size 12's in his pie hole.

Let's not forget that he resurrected this thread with:

Hey Look! Its early March, and of all the things i said that wouldn't happen...hey look, none of them have happened. I realize I have a lot of offseason to weather yet...just worth noting.

Pat yourself on the back if you're right, blame someone else if you're wrong.

Can't have it both ways and hopefully you learn from this experience.

HJam72
03-23-2007, 08:19 AM
I still think he's right. :tomato:

:jk:

Malloy
03-23-2007, 08:25 AM
I still think he's right. :tomato:

:jk:

Damn you, I've got coffee all over now! :)

Double Barrel
03-23-2007, 10:22 AM
He just guaranteed that Carr would play his contract out due to his inside source and that was just how it was, and everyone else and their speculation was wrong.

And he said we'd never go after (much let get) Matt Shaub. :shades:

Hey, put your neck above the foxhole and you take a chance of getting shot. I give him props for putting his neck on the line with the information that he was given, and I hope he doesn't let this thread deter him from sharing 'insider' info in the future. It makes the forum that much more interesting to me.

swtbound07
03-23-2007, 02:42 PM
And he said we'd never go after (much let get) Matt Shaub. :shades:

Hey, put your neck above the foxhole and you take a chance of getting shot. I give him props for putting his neck on the line with the information that he was given, and I hope he doesn't let this thread deter him from sharing 'insider' info in the future. It makes the forum that much more interesting to me.

Interestingly enough, the schaub thing was more a product of my own ignorance than bad information. When I asked about schaub way back when, I was told "We won't give up a 1 and 3 for him". Since that was his tender, and i wasn't aware that the compensation could flex, I took that to mean we couldn't get him. That was me making an assumption from knowledge i didn't actually have, just thought i did.

Bamaborn-Texasbred
03-23-2007, 02:47 PM
Someone's siginature quote on this message board is (or at least was), "only the Sith deal in absolutes".

swt is obviously a Sith Lord.

All jokes aside, I haven't been to this message board in quite some time. I am quite happy that we won't have to *%$@# about David Carr anymore, and might be spending a little more time here because of it. (Look out Schaub, the wolves get hungry quickly.)

Greengo707
03-23-2007, 03:49 PM
Originally Posted by GanadoUHCoog
after this year, either Carr goes or the fans go........I guarantee it. If Carr stays the stadium won't even be half-sold on gamedays. Money talks. Carr will be traded for a 3rd-4th rd pick.....I GUARANTEE IT.

Im not making predictions sir...im telling you what our owner and organization have already decided. You can bet me if you like.
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Seņor Stan
03-23-2007, 03:51 PM
Originally Posted by GanadoUHCoog
after this year, either Carr goes or the fans go........I guarantee it. If Carr stays the stadium won't even be half-sold on gamedays. Money talks. Carr will be traded for a 3rd-4th rd pick.....I GUARANTEE IT.

Im not making predictions sir...im telling you what our owner and organization have already decided. You can bet me if you like.
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