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Goldeagle
12-16-2006, 08:25 PM
Who will be available next year to help our team solidify our O-line that you like?

Am I right, did I hear Chris Samuels will be available??

mexican_texan
12-16-2006, 08:28 PM
http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=29951

Free Agent O-Line .

Max Starks RFA Pittsburgh Steelers
Starks is a starting tackle for a Super Bowl champion. That’s enough in itself to get some teams a little excited about the prospects of acquiring him. The fact that Starks is young, talented, and massive in stature—listed at 6’8”, 337 lbs.—just adds to the excitement pile. Another lineman that shouldn’t be going anywhere as the Steelers will not let Starks go without a fight. The best bet is that Starks will decide he wants to stay in Pittsburgh and sign an extension. If he hits the market, there will be a team or two willing to pay a big amount to entice the tackle to relocate.

Leonard Davis UFA Arizona Cardinals
Davis is a massive tackle that the Cardinals can’t afford to lose to free agency. The Arizona offensive line is already suspect, and losing Davis would be a huge step in the wrong direction, but the team may have to let him go and find a replacement if they aren’t prepared to offer decent money. Davis has shown the ability to simply be a wall of protection for his quarterback and while teams might not line up for the chance to sign him, anyone looking for a tackle will have him high on the list. The Cardinals are more than likely going to push to re-sign him before he hits the market.

Mike Gandy, UFA, Buffalo Bills
A relatively young starting left tackle, Gandy had been blocking for Willis McGahee over the past two seasons, and this season could go a long way in making Gandy an appealing free agent. He has talent, but isn’t considered among the league’s best linemen. However, a decent starting left tackle doesn’t just drop from the sky, so expect him to garner interest from a handful of teams, if Buffalo doesn’t re-sign him before the market opens.

Other Free Agent Offensive Linemen
Jordan Black, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Dwayne Carswell, UFA, Denver Broncos
Derrick Dockery, UFA, Washington Redskins
Nat Dorsey, RFA, Cleveland Browns
Chris Gray, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Norm Katnik, RFA, New York Jets
Ryan Lilja, RFA, Indianapolis Colts
Sean Locklear, RFA, Seattle Seahawks
Vincent Manuwai, UFA, Jacksonville Jaguars
Roman Oben, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Brian Rimpf, RFA, Baltimore Ravens
Eric Steinbach, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Todd Steussie, UFA, St. Louis Rams
Floyd Womack, UFA, Seattle Seahawks

Andrew6
12-16-2006, 08:33 PM
I want to change my icon but it won't take my picture how do i do it?


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Hulk75
12-16-2006, 08:35 PM
Leonard Davis UFA Arizona Cardinals
My Vote.

mexican_texan
12-16-2006, 08:37 PM
Leonard Davis UFA Arizona Cardinals
My Vote.
....explain...the Cards fans seem to hate him.

Hulk75
12-16-2006, 08:46 PM
....explain...the Cards fans seem to hate him.

Well I believe it was week 5 or 6 when they played the Bears.............My favorite Defensive Player in the NFL is Brian Urlacher, I was watching him 2 plays in a row he was put on his back by Leonard Davis, when you put The Lacher as I call him on his back, your pretty darn good in my book.

Plus I could care less about what Fans think about Players anymore form other teams besides mine, I have played line and coach it, He is a good one, he could stand to loose some pounds but he can maul, Pass Protection is good as well. He moves well for a big guy.

Honoring Earl 34
12-16-2006, 08:50 PM
Sign him ( if the price is right ) ... if we draft a OLT ... he or Spencer could play gaurd the other RT . Winston becomes the swing OT . Weary moves to center .

Goldeagle
12-16-2006, 09:05 PM
I want to change my icon but it won't take my picture how do i do it?


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edo783
12-16-2006, 09:08 PM
Hardly any of those guys will see the light of day and the ones that do may not be worth the effort or $$$$.

Goldeagle
12-16-2006, 09:08 PM
Thanks Mex-Tex for finding that link!!!!


Other Free Agent Offensive Linemen
Jordan Black, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Dwayne Carswell, UFA, Denver Broncos
Derrick Dockery, UFA, Washington Redskins
Nat Dorsey, RFA, Cleveland Browns
Chris Gray, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Norm Katnik, RFA, New York Jets
Ryan Lilja, RFA, Indianapolis Colts
Sean Locklear, RFA, Seattle Seahawks
Vincent Manuwai, UFA, Jacksonville Jaguars
Roman Oben, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Brian Rimpf, RFA, Baltimore Ravens
Eric Steinbach, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Todd Steussie, UFA, St. Louis Rams
Floyd Womack, UFA, Seattle Seahawks

I like the 3 guys highlighted, Steinbach is pretty young and I was wondering how he would turn out.

Also, a guy who is RFA like Starks, what does that cost the Texans to sign him, or does that give his old team a free pick in the draft?

Runner
12-16-2006, 09:35 PM
Hardly any of those guys will see the light of day and the ones that do may not be worth the effort or $$$$.

But are any of them better than what we have now?

Goldeagle
12-16-2006, 09:38 PM
But are any of them better than what we have now?

Its not hard to find better lol

TexanFan881
12-16-2006, 10:31 PM
Also, a guy who is RFA like Starks, what does that cost the Texans to sign him, or does that give his old team a free pick in the draft?

Say we go after Starks. We offer his a contract to come play for us. The Steelers have 7 days to outbid our offer and if they do then Starks would play for the Steelers. If not, Starks is ours, and we would have to give up a pick to the Steelers for what round Starks was originally drafted (we would give up a 3rd round draft pick since that's when Starks was originally drafted). That's how we got Kevin Walter this year, the Bengals didn't top our offer so we had to give up a 7th round pick. :thumbup

Let me know if I got anything wrong. :)

YoungTexanFan
12-16-2006, 10:44 PM
Thanks Mex-Tex for finding that link!!!!


Other Free Agent Offensive Linemen
Jordan Black, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Dwayne Carswell, UFA, Denver Broncos
Derrick Dockery, UFA, Washington Redskins
Nat Dorsey, RFA, Cleveland Browns
Chris Gray, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Norm Katnik, RFA, New York Jets
Ryan Lilja, RFA, Indianapolis Colts
Sean Locklear, RFA, Seattle Seahawks
Vincent Manuwai, UFA, Jacksonville Jaguars
Roman Oben, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Brian Rimpf, RFA, Baltimore Ravens
Eric Steinbach, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Todd Steussie, UFA, St. Louis Rams
Floyd Womack, UFA, Seattle Seahawks

I like the 3 guys highlighted, Steinbach is pretty young and I was wondering how he would turn out.


Steinbach is the only FA OL that I would heavily persue. I'd overpay because he is as good a OG as we can find and is just starting the prime of his career. He is the best interior OL we can find. If we move Weary to OC like has been floating around, we need an OG to replace him. It wouldn't hurt to actually upgrade 2 spots in that process.

YoungTexanFan
12-16-2006, 10:46 PM
Well I believe it was week 5 or 6 when they played the Bears.............My favorite Defensive Player in the NFL is Brian Urlacher, I was watching him 2 plays in a row he was put on his back by Leonard Davis, when you put The Lacher as I call him on his back, your pretty darn good in my book.

Plus I could care less about what Fans think about Players anymore form other teams besides mine, I have played line and coach it, He is a good one, he could stand to loose some pounds but he can maul, Pass Protection is good as well. He moves well for a big guy.

I wouldn't touch a single one of Arizona's OL. I would not even consider them and would rather search the UDFA's for a OL from a sucessful college program. I don't want any players coming from another franchise that doesn't know how to win. I don't want any member of an OL that can rival ours for worst in the league the past 5 years. No sir, no thank you.

Goldeagle
12-16-2006, 11:51 PM
Thanks 881 for the answer, Is Starks worth a 3rd rounder? Guess we wont know till we know all who is in the draft


I liked Steinbach coming out of college, but the Bengals line has not been up to par either and has suffered a ton of injuries, I wonder if Steinbach is as good as I am hoping he is

dbspi
12-17-2006, 02:10 AM
I wouldn't touch a single one of Arizona's OL. I would not even consider them and would rather search the UDFA's for a OL from a sucessful college program. I don't want any players coming from another franchise that doesn't know how to win. I don't want any member of an OL that can rival ours for worst in the league the past 5 years. No sir, no thank you.

Leonard is worth pursuing. Sure he saw loosing season in AZ but he came into the NFL from winning program. He has root in Texas and quite frankly he is also good tackle who will not be pushed around by any one.

My only concern with Leonard will be his mobility in Kubiak system. I don't know if he will fit into it or not. He is mauler type of tackle.

MightyTExan
12-17-2006, 07:54 AM
Since Atlanta is crashing and burning, can we get their line coach?(Gibbs) :hides:


Edit: I don't remember if he's still a coach there. Didn't the texans try to get him in the offseason?

brewhaus
12-17-2006, 08:24 AM
Well I believe it was week 5 or 6 when they played the Bears.............My favorite Defensive Player in the NFL is Brian Urlacher, I was watching him 2 plays in a row he was put on his back by Leonard Davis, when you put The Lacher as I call him on his back, your pretty darn good in my book.

Plus I could care less about what Fans think about Players anymore form other teams besides mine, I have played line and coach it, He is a good one, he could stand to loose some pounds but he can maul, Pass Protection is good as well. He moves well for a big guy.

I would like to see Leonard in a Texans uniform next year myself. This guy is as big as a house. He moves good for his size. I also watched Davis in the Bears game you talked about and I thought he looked good too. I have read that motivation is an issue with him as well as keeping his weight reasonable. Reasonable for Leonard is around 370 lbs. He has been in the league 6 years so who knows....maybe he wouldn't mind moving back home again.

Texans Horror
12-17-2006, 01:51 PM
Its not hard to find better lol

I asked Denver fans what they thought of the Texans starting Salaam at LT. They said he sucked at Denver but that he had to be better than anything here in Houston. And I have to tell you, IMO, Salaam su-ucks. He is a revolving door and we were better off without him.

I'd rather the Texans push ahead with the tackles they have (Spencer and Winston) and draft a Center.

Goldeagle
12-17-2006, 02:05 PM
I asked Denver fans what they thought of the Texans starting Salaam at LT. They said he sucked at Denver but that he had to be better than anything here in Houston. And I have to tell you, IMO, Salaam su-ucks. He is a revolving door and we were better off without him.

I'd rather the Texans push ahead with the tackles they have (Spencer and Winston) and draft a Center.

You got to hope Spencer can come back from that injury, there is concern. He looked somewhat decent.

LT: Spencer
LG; Pitts
C: ?????????????
RG: Steinbach (via free agency)
RT: Winston (though Im not sold on him yet)

jerek
12-17-2006, 02:42 PM
Say we go after Starks. We offer his a contract to come play for us. The Steelers have 7 days to outbid our offer and if they do then Starks would play for the Steelers. If not, Starks is ours, and we would have to give up a pick to the Steelers for what round Starks was originally drafted (we would give up a 3rd round draft pick since that's when Starks was originally drafted). That's how we got Kevin Walter this year, the Bengals didn't top our offer so we had to give up a 7th round pick. :thumbup

Let me know if I got anything wrong. :)

The draft pick we give up depends on what level of RFA tender the Steelers place him on, at minimum we'd have to give up a 3rd rounder for him, we might have to give up a 1st rounder or more if they sign him to a higher level. That said, I don't think he or Leonard Davis are good fits for our offense. I like Leonard Davis and all, but he is way bigger and slower than what would be ideal in our system. Steinbach is the only one on this list I'd consider pursuing very hard, although it wouldn't hurt to bring in higher-quality depth along the OLine somewhere in there.

austintexanite
12-17-2006, 02:57 PM
mike gandy. i like leonard davis but he hasn't shown anything since he left UT...Dockery would be nice too.