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Nighthawk
12-15-2006, 12:37 AM
McNair was heard to say, in effect, that Carr's staying and that the Texans are building around him. How do you feel about this?

ensign_lee
12-15-2006, 12:38 AM
Uh...there's no poll...

and replace him with WHO,e xactly?

I know. We'll just run the anthill formation all game. Hah. That'd be funny (not being sarcastic) :shades:

dantem
12-15-2006, 12:50 AM
Uh...there's no poll...

and replace him with WHO,e xactly?

I know. We'll just run the anthill formation all game. Hah. That'd be funny (not being sarcastic) :shades:

LOL

eriadoc
12-15-2006, 01:04 AM
Well, I said "have no opinion" because I'm not for replacing Carr just to be replacing him. If we can upgrade, then absolutely. Otherwise, I'd like to see the team draft a QB this year in the 2nd or 3rd round and let him sit a year and learn Kubiak's offense. Carr can be the sacrificial lamb behind that line while they improve with whatever rookie lineman (linemen?) they draft.

So yeah, replace him, just do it with a plan and some direction. The "OMG Anyone is better!!1!@!" hyperbole doesn't suit me, but I want to see an upgrade at that position.

kbourda
12-15-2006, 01:08 AM
McNair was heard to say, in effect, that Carr's staying and that the Texans are building around him. How do you feel about this?

Honestly, how I/we feel as fans is of no consequence. It's David Carr or bust.

mexican_texan
12-15-2006, 01:12 AM
He'll be here. I'm just hoping for a rookie QB and a vet who can both challenge Carr.

kbourda
12-15-2006, 01:19 AM
He'll be here. I'm just hoping for a rookie QB and a vet who can both challenge Carr.

Seriously, they are not going to bring anyone in here to challenge Carr. I think the brass already knows they will beat him out. I can't remember being this depressed in a long time. I've heard the company line and all the blind faith from the front office. I'm just flat out tired of hearing excuses, I want the team to get some wins. I'm tired of walking around the city I love, supporting the teams I love (Texans, Rockets, and Stros), and getting laughed at.

Second Honeymoon
12-15-2006, 01:23 AM
Seriously, they are not going to bring anyone in here to challenge Carr. I think the brass already knows they will beat him out. I can't remember being this depressed in a long time. I've heard the company line and all the blind faith from the front office. I'm just flat out tired of hearing excuses, I want the team to get some wins. I'm tired of walking around the city I love, supporting the teams I love (Texans, Rockets, and Stros), and getting laughed at.

I feel your pain.

Double Barrel
12-15-2006, 01:37 AM
Honestly, how I/we feel as fans is of no consequence. It's David Carr or bust.

yep. this is true....for better or for worse

QB75
12-15-2006, 02:04 AM
McNair was heard to say, in effect, that Carr's staying and that the Texans are building around him. How do you feel about this?

Great! Keep building around him.

utahmark
12-15-2006, 02:07 AM
im a little suprised at the pole so far. it seems the people with the strongest negativity our more likely to speak out.

TexanSoldier
12-15-2006, 02:15 AM
I voted to replace Carr.

I've never been a Carr hater and I honestly believe he'll succeed in a different system. For some reason things just aren't working out here, and I now believe he was not ready to be the face of the new franchise.

I disagree with Mr. McNair and I feel we should bring in a veteran QB and then draft some young talent.

Probably won't happen, but since this is a "public poll and everyone can see how I voted" I decided to let you know why I voted with the current minority.

Go Texans!

SLO Texan
12-15-2006, 02:28 AM
I said don't replace Carr in the offseason.

Reasons:

#1 - We haven't given him a descent O-Line yet, after 5 seasons!!!!
#2 - He finally has a coach that can COACH him.
#3 - We gave him the extension for a reason, Kubiak thinks he can do it.
#4 - Kubiak will continue to improve his game and he will be worth much more in '08 than '07.
#5 - We've invested so much in this guy lets get him a freakin OL next year and see what he's REALLY got.
#6 - There is'nt anyone worth immediately replacing him with.(Kubes needs to draft someone to start molding underneath him for a yr.)

I like David Carr and I just really want to see him suceed.Call me a :homer: & pass me a Duff.

ATX
12-15-2006, 03:16 AM
I said don't replace Carr in the offseason.

Reasons:

#1 - We haven't given him a descent O-Line yet, after 5 seasons!!!!
#2 - He finally has a coach that can COACH him.
#3 - We gave him the extension for a reason, Kubiak thinks he can do it.
#4 - Kubiak will continue to improve his game and he will be worth much more in '08 than '07.
#5 - We've invested so much in this guy lets get him a freakin OL next year and see what he's REALLY got.
#6 - There is'nt anyone worth immediately replacing him with.(Kubes needs to draft someone to start molding underneath him for a yr.)

I like David Carr and I just really want to see him suceed.Call me a :homer: & pass me a Duff.

Man you hit it dead on

DatTexBoy
12-15-2006, 03:26 AM
Seriously, they are not going to bring anyone in here to challenge Carr. I think the brass already knows they will beat him out. I can't remember being this depressed in a long time. I've heard the company line and all the blind faith from the front office. I'm just flat out tired of hearing excuses, I want the team to get some wins. I'm tired of walking around the city I love, supporting the teams I love (Texans, Rockets, and Stros), and getting laughed at.

You're not the only one bro!

Drager
12-15-2006, 04:07 AM
I don't know about Carr. I saw alot of mistakes on Sunday. Throwing the ball past the LOS.....twice!!!! He's a fifth year vet. He should have better awareness than that. The deep ball to Andre Johnson was under thrown. Johnson had his man beat by a step or two. Carr just didn't throw it far enough. Any sign of pressure & he seems to get rattled to easily.
I don't blame the guy for being so shellshocked, though. The lack of blocking he's seen since he's been here would be tough on anyone. But he's got to make quicker & better decisions with the ball. I'd like to see Kubiak get him playing better, but it just doesn't seem to be there right now and I just don't know that Carr can do it here.
No matter what I think, he'll be back next year. Especially since we've got alot of $$$ invested in him. I agree that we still need to look at getting a rookie QB in the draft next year as a possible replacement.

phantom17
12-15-2006, 04:17 AM
Seriously, they are not going to bring anyone in here to challenge Carr. I think the brass already knows they will beat him out. I can't remember being this depressed in a long time. I've heard the company line and all the blind faith from the front office. I'm just flat out tired of hearing excuses, I want the team to get some wins. I'm tired of walking around the city I love, supporting the teams I love (Texans, Rockets, and Stros), and getting laughed at.

Yeah, I know what you mean! I have been a ROXS fan since 1981, Astros since 1986, Oilers- starting in 1982 then stopped when the Dark Lord's henchman- Bud Adams relocated the the team. And of course a fan of the TEXANS from day one! I know how it is to be a fan of H-Town teams & it's usually NOT for the faint of hearts! But I wake up happy knowing that H-Town has a professional team!:) :snobord:

phantom17
12-15-2006, 04:28 AM
I said don't replace Carr in the offseason.

Reasons:

#1 - We haven't given him a descent O-Line yet, after 5 seasons!!!!
#2 - He finally has a coach that can COACH him.
#3 - We gave him the extension for a reason, Kubiak thinks he can do it.
#4 - Kubiak will continue to improve his game and he will be worth much more in '08 than '07.
#5 - We've invested so much in this guy lets get him a freakin OL next year and see what he's REALLY got.
#6 - There is'nt anyone worth immediately replacing him with.(Kubes needs to draft someone to start molding underneath him for a yr.)

I like David Carr and I just really want to see him suceed.Call me a :homer: & pass me a Duff.

I like yer post, very reasonable! On #6- I would draft Troy Smith in the 2nd rd IF AVAILABLE to groom for the future & let him sit & learn for a season!! Nevermind that he's short, but not Doug Flutie short, he seems to have a good arm & legs something this team needs! #3 & #4- this I hope, but remains to be seen.:snobord:

phan1
12-15-2006, 05:32 AM
I really believe Carr will be back in 2007. Everyone in the FO looks like that's the direction they're headed in. I just want a contingency plan to start if Carr doesn't shape up. I really want us to pick up a QB in the 4-5 round; some guy Kubiak really likes in the draft. Rosenfels has played good as well, but I really want a QB in the draft so Carr can understand "hey, my job really is on the line."

brewhaus
12-15-2006, 05:41 AM
Carr will IMO play out (or sit out) his contract with the Texans. This team has so many other needs that they can't afford to spend FA $ or burn a draft pick on a QB. AND.....I think the Texans will be OK in spite of that. I am not so sure we are 1 year away from turning it around but over the next couple of years I think Kubiak is really going to create a solid base for this team and we are going to see big change occur.

Nighthawk
12-15-2006, 05:50 AM
Well, I started the poll and the results just make me want to scream! Five years and people want to keep Carr! Why in heaven's name I can't even imagine. It just doesn't make any sense to me. He's lame and he's been lame 5 years in a row, his career is about half over, and he is awful as a QB. I mean, he can take the sacks, but is that a good credential for a QB? Is he a leader? Does he throw perfect long strikes? Can he read defenses with the best of them? Does he look off the d-backs? Does he make the most of busted plays? Has he got a lot of escapability? Does he keep his head all the time? Is he incredibly accurate with his passes? How much does he fumble? How much does he move into sacks as opposed to out of them? Just go down the list of what makes a quality QB and see how many of those characteristic he possesses. I give up. Keep Carr forever. Sign him up for a big extension. It's a nightmare! Arrrrrrggggg!

eriadoc
12-15-2006, 08:25 AM
Well, the majority (18 to 16) say replace Carr and there are 4 no opinions. I can't speak for others, but a more measured approach to replacing Carr piques my interest. I'll be sorely disappointed if we do not draft a QB this year.

[movie quote]Get used to disappointment.[/movie quote]

Buffi2
12-15-2006, 08:47 AM
I voted to keep Carr mainly because I don't think we have any choice and we might as well get used to it.

But....I would like to see us draft a QB so he can be waiting in the wings with Rosenfels just in case we are starting another year of losing. Replacing the starting QB after the first few games seem to work well with other teams this year.

HomeBred_Texan
12-15-2006, 08:52 AM
Well, I said "have no opinion" because I'm not for replacing Carr just to be replacing him. If we can upgrade, then absolutely. Otherwise, I'd like to see the team draft a QB this year in the 2nd or 3rd round and let him sit a year and learn Kubiak's offense. Carr can be the sacrificial lamb behind that line while they improve with whatever rookie lineman (linemen?) they draft.

So yeah, replace him, just do it with a plan and some direction. The "OMG Anyone is better!!1!@!" hyperbole doesn't suit me, but I want to see an upgrade at that position.

I agree with all of this statement. Finally someone with a voice of reason. :yahoo:

Rightnow
12-15-2006, 09:54 AM
I think we should keep Carr and Sage. If Carr does badly then Sage starts. There is QB coming out this year that is worth a high, first round pick IMO. Kubiak believes in building from the trenches and a OT is what we need much more.

Texan_Bill
12-15-2006, 09:54 AM
WhoooooHooooooooooooo!! Another worthless thread about Carr.

J-Storm
12-15-2006, 10:11 AM
Just keep him and learn from it. Make better acquisitions for better value in the next draft and Free Agency period. Continue that the year after and maybe we will get somewhere. Like someone said in another thread, if the Patriots can pick up good value draft picks, other teams should be able to do it. Find out somehow who they value and steal them away before they know what's hit them and we could just get somewhere sooner rather than later...

V Man
12-15-2006, 10:14 AM
I really believe Carr will be back in 2007. Everyone in the FO looks like that's the direction they're headed in. I just want a contingency plan to start if Carr doesn't shape up. I really want us to pick up a QB in the 4-5 round; some guy Kubiak really likes in the draft. Rosenfels has played good as well, but I really want a QB in the draft so Carr can understand "hey, my job really is on the line."

This is how I feel, so I went with no opinion, due to I don't want him here, other than to cover as his replacement develops.

jerek
12-15-2006, 10:17 AM
Seriously, they are not going to bring anyone in here to challenge Carr. I think the brass already knows they will beat him out. I can't remember being this depressed in a long time. I've heard the company line and all the blind faith from the front office. I'm just flat out tired of hearing excuses, I want the team to get some wins. I'm tired of walking around the city I love, supporting the teams I love (Texans, Rockets, and Stros), and getting laughed at.

It's tough being a Texans fan around my office and listening to people make bad jokes about them or ask me what I think about drafting Mario Williams (at least I don't have to hear about Reggie Bush any more, now it's just Vince Young.) It's tough wearing my Texans polos around town or my jersey on gameday and going to the store and drawing no less than three comments in the checkout line. So as much as some of us may disagree about David Carr's future around here, just know I feel your pain.

Hervoyel
12-15-2006, 11:00 AM
I've been kind of vocal about Carr going out the door but I'm slowly coming around to the understanding that replacing Carr during the off-season isn't going to make any difference one way or the other. We are a 4-9 team and we're likely to finish the season no better than 5-11. I believe that if we were to start the season over again with Sage Rosenfels, Jake Plummer, or even Vince Young as our QB the results of this particular season would not be drastically different.

We would be slaughtered early in the year again just like we did with David Carr.

We would get marginally better in the running game just like we did with David Carr.

The defense would come together and start playing better just like they did with David Carr.

Many of the same boneheaded mistakes would cost us games just like they did with David Carr.

I'll accept a change of QB next season if that's what happens and I'll be happy. I'm not calling for one anymore because I think we're a season away from it making a difference. Mostly I'll like seeing a new QB because I'm tired of reading David Carr threads and voting in David Carr polls. I'm tired of this one player and his "play" (or lack thereof) dominating every conversation about this football team. I'll be happy to see David Carr go out the door because it will make life as a Texans fan a little more peaceful, even if it's only for a short time.

If we bring in a veteran next season he's going to be a caretaker who just keeps the seat warm for whoever we pick to be our next franchise quarterback. He won't be the answer. If we draft a QB and throw him in there then we'll watch him take his lumps playing on a team that isn't ready to support him. No thanks on that one. I've seen enough of that act already. That means ditching David Carr next season will accomplish mostly nothing. We'll have to sign someone else to keep the seat warm. We'll have to eat contract when we cut Carr.

Keep him another year, bring in someone to truly compete with him and maybe take his job away from him when they're ready. Why go out and find a mediocre QB to mind the store. We already have one and we're paying for him no matter what we do.

jerek
12-15-2006, 11:02 AM
I've been kind of vocal about Carr going out the door but I'm slowly coming around to the understanding that replacing Carr during the off-season isn't going to make any difference one way or the other. We are a 4-9 team and we're likely to finish the season no better than 5-11. I believe that if we were to start the season over again with Sage Rosenfels, Jake Plummer, or even Vince Young as our QB the results of this particular season would not be drastically different.

We would be slaughtered early in the year again just like we did with David Carr.

We would get marginally better in the running game just like we did with David Carr.

The defense would come together and start playing better just like they did with David Carr.

Many of the same boneheaded mistakes would cost us games just like they did with David Carr.

I'll accept a change of QB next season if that's what happens and I'll be happy. I'm not calling for one anymore because I think we're a season away from it making a difference. Mostly I'll like seeing a new QB because I'm tired of reading David Carr threads and voting in David Carr polls. I'm tired of this one player and his "play" (or lack thereof) dominating every conversation about this football team. I'll be happy to see David Carr go out the door because it will make life as a Texans fan a little more peaceful, even if it's only for a short time.

If we bring in a veteran next season he's going to be a caretaker who just keeps the seat warm for whoever we pick to be our next franchise quarterback. He won't be the answer. If we draft a QB and throw him in there then we'll watch him take his lumps playing on a team that isn't ready to support him. No thanks on that one. I've seen enough of that act already. That means ditching David Carr next season will accomplish mostly nothing. We'll have to sign someone else to keep the seat warm. We'll have to eat contract when we cut Carr.

Keep him another year, bring in someone to truly compete with him and maybe take his job away from him when they're ready. Why go out and find a mediocre QB to mind the store. We already have one and we're paying for him no matter what we do.

Another excellent post. Sorry I can't rep you for it right now.

FanZilla
12-15-2006, 12:49 PM
If DC would quit worrying about trying to look cool and stop trying to be like KFed and play some ball, he might have a chance.

HOU-TEX
12-15-2006, 12:58 PM
If DC would quit worrying about trying to look cool and stop trying to be like KFed and play some ball, he might have a chance.

:confused:

TexansSeminole
12-15-2006, 01:03 PM
If we keep Carr and he continues to suck as bad as he has it will be very hard for me to remain a fan of the team.

Texan_Bill
12-15-2006, 01:03 PM
If DC would quit worrying about trying to look cool and stop trying to be like KFed and play some ball, he might have a chance.

Huh?? How did ex-Mr. Brittney Spears come into this discussion? It's one thing to criticize Carr, but let's keep it factually based and not some rant about wanting to look cool... Carr haters think that's weak!!

dantem
12-15-2006, 01:09 PM
Mcnair if Carr does not do good next year, you will see the fan base dwindle even further down.



If I were mcNair I would not cry about Carr Haters leaving the Texans Fan Base, There are plenty of people to take their places who will root for the Texans without making unreasonable demands to the organization.

I wish he would have said; You can all quit your whining now, and if your a real fan of the Texans start backing them instead of trying to tear them down. If your not a real Texans fan, feel free to sell your PSL's and leave.There is always someone else who will take your place.

OzzO
12-15-2006, 01:25 PM
Agree with eriadoc and Herv above, I voted with "no opinion" as it's seeming like we're starting out were SHOULD have 5 years ago, work on beefing the O-line with some young guns for recieving / running options and bring in a vet QB to get handled (and not so much win the game for the team, but don't lose it either) while the others work on their improvement.

Apparently, we're at that stage now.

Possibly get the QB of the future in this (or next) draft and start his NFL learning process so he's ready to come in when the foundation of the team is correctly placed and ready to go to the next level.

ATX
12-15-2006, 01:54 PM
Carr will not be a Texan come June 1, 2007. Sorry to p.o. some of you guys but a harsh reality check is comming very soon. He has lost any respect he might of had comming in this season. I think Kubiak will trade Carr to Denver for Plummer. Smart move given that Plummer had 4 winning seasons ubder Kubiak. Plummer +4 Carr -1


I seriously doubt Denver would trade for Carr considering they just drafted their future QB in the 1st round.

bayoumaniac
12-16-2006, 02:19 AM
These "replace Carr scenario" threads just kill me. I'm on the fence with Carr at the present time, but how many polls about Carr can we have? IMO
They all say and ask the same thing....he sucks or he's great! Let's discuss the other players....believe me there's plenty there to discuss!

MrMeToo
12-16-2006, 10:17 AM
We can keep Carr, as long as he is on the bench.

kingh99
12-16-2006, 11:27 AM
I am seriously wondering if Carr does have blackmail photos on Mcnair. He has got his finger wrapped around Mcnair...I am seriously also thinking Mcnair probably thinks Carr is the next moon. Because we have tied a lot of records that the oilers had during the moon era when he was really bad. Mcnair if Carr does not do good next year, you will see the fan base dwindle even further down.

I just do not understand things anymore.....

BTW no one is laughing at the Rockets or the Astros.

It's a Christian thing between McNair and Carr. He, McNair is going to make a miracle happen. He's a gonna make Jaaysus appear at David's side at a critical juncture in his career and Jaaysus is going to show David the light. A calm will descend over brother David and he will throw a perfect 5 yard strike. There will be much rejoicing. HallelujaH!

Seriously, this is a spiritual toy for Mega filthy rich McNair. He's making money hand over fist regardless of whether another season ticket is sold. Look at another sorry owner, Daniel Snyder and you begin to understand the fan figures very low on the pecking order of people to keep happy. It's a sad joke. Remember this guy Snyder is a horrible horrible owner for the fans but is still making solid bank. Regardless of what his teams have done on the field, he's incredibly successful making money and building equity. Why continue to support this whacked out system? When you have a bad owner in the NFL, you are screwed. Period. I'm outta the Texans scene until McNair leaves. I have come to the conclusion this is 100% on the man and I won't give him another penny.

From Wiki:
"While Snyder has been owner, the Redskins' annual profit has increased nearly $100 million. When he purchased the Redskins in 1999, the team's annual revenue was $10 million lower than the highest grossing team at the time, the Dallas Cowboys. As of 2004, the Redskins' income exceeds the Cowboys by nearly $40 million, making them the highest grossing team in the National Football League. This is in part due to sponsorship arrangements with Anheuser-Busch, Pepsi and Nextel, but mainly due to a $207 million deal with FedEx to gain naming rights to the Redskins' stadium, now named FedExField. Snyder paid attention to revenue generation by adding more suites and club seats, enlarging capacity to a league-high 84,000-plus, and he sold the club seats that had gone empty under the Cooke family reign. Traffic and parking around the stadium have been improved, and there are now two escalators to the upper levels of the stadium. Ticket prices and parking prices have been raised."

edo783
12-16-2006, 11:39 AM
I'm outta the Texans scene until McNair leaves. I have come to the conclusion this is 100% on the man and I won't give him another penny.."

Adios

A Texan
12-16-2006, 12:04 PM
I said don't replace Carr in the offseason.

Reasons:

#1 - We haven't given him a descent O-Line yet, after 5 seasons!!!!
#2 - He finally has a coach that can COACH him.
#3 - We gave him the extension for a reason, Kubiak thinks he can do it.
#4 - Kubiak will continue to improve his game and he will be worth much more in '08 than '07.
#5 - We've invested so much in this guy lets get him a freakin OL next year and see what he's REALLY got.
#6 - There is'nt anyone worth immediately replacing him with.(Kubes needs to draft someone to start molding underneath him for a yr.)

I like David Carr and I just really want to see him suceed.Call me a :homer: & pass me a Duff.

There will never be an o-line that can protect Carr. Rosenfels playing behind the same line did not get sacked playing the 2nd half of the 1st Titan game after Carr was sacked 4 times in the 1st half. As long as Carr is QB, we will still be hearing how the o-line is not protecting him.

kingh99
12-16-2006, 12:12 PM
There will never be an o-line that can protect Carr. Rosenfels playing behind the same line did not get sacked playing the 2nd half of the 1st Titan game after Carr was sacked 4 times in the 1st half. As long as Carr is QB, we will still be hearing how the o-line is not protecting him.

that's why mckinney told em to shove it. I hope the team implodes and starts rebelling against Boss McNair. yessir Boss, nosir Boss. I guess Reggie didn't want to work for the Boss.

bigbrewster2000
12-16-2006, 12:13 PM
It's a Christian thing between McNair and Carr. He, McNair is going to make a miracle happen. He's a gonna make Jaaysus appear at David's side at a critical juncture in his career and Jaaysus is going to show David the light. A calm will descend over brother David and he will throw a perfect 5 yard strike. There will be much rejoicing. HallelujaH!

Seriously, this is a spiritual toy for Mega filthy rich McNair. He's making money hand over fist regardless of whether another season ticket is sold. Look at another sorry owner, Daniel Snyder and you begin to understand the fan figures very low on the pecking order of people to keep happy. It's a sad joke. Remember this guy Snyder is a horrible horrible owner for the fans but is still making solid bank. Regardless of what his teams have done on the field, he's incredibly successful making money and building equity. Why continue to support this whacked out system? When you have a bad owner in the NFL, you are screwed. Period. I'm outta the Texans scene until McNair leaves. I have come to the conclusion this is 100% on the man and I won't give him another penny.

From Wiki:
"While Snyder has been owner, the Redskins' annual profit has increased nearly $100 million. When he purchased the Redskins in 1999, the team's annual revenue was $10 million lower than the highest grossing team at the time, the Dallas Cowboys. As of 2004, the Redskins' income exceeds the Cowboys by nearly $40 million, making them the highest grossing team in the National Football League. This is in part due to sponsorship arrangements with Anheuser-Busch, Pepsi and Nextel, but mainly due to a $207 million deal with FedEx to gain naming rights to the Redskins' stadium, now named FedExField. Snyder paid attention to revenue generation by adding more suites and club seats, enlarging capacity to a league-high 84,000-plus, and he sold the club seats that had gone empty under the Cooke family reign. Traffic and parking around the stadium have been improved, and there are now two escalators to the upper levels of the stadium. Ticket prices and parking prices have been raised."

First off just because two guys are christian does not mean there is some christian conspiracy thing going on between them. Next what does your "Christian Conspiracy" and Daniel Snyder have to do with anything? There are two distinct differences between McNair and Snyder, One McNair is attempting to build this team through the draft (which was terribly unsucessful until this year no thanks to Caserly) and Snyder has thrown money and draft picks unsucessfully at free agents for 7 years now. McNair is trying to do this the right way and eventually it will show. Snyder is defiantly in it just for the money and soon it will blow up in his face because he will run out of cap space and have a bunch of old vets with bloated salaries on the team with little talent.

What would be accomplished by Bob McNair throwing David Carr under the bus? McNair said what he needed to say as an owner. So David Carr doesnt get replaced by a Vet next season, so what!!! That does not mean that they won't draft a replacement for Carr in the upcoming draft. Look, I am just as tired of this team losing as everyone else, but you have no proof of this verbal vomit that you are spewing about miracles. I don't see this blind faith of Carr in McNair that you see. I see an owner that is saying what he is supposed to say about his starting QB. What purose would be served by McNair bashing Carr in the Media?

I think that our owner is commited to winning but it has taken him 5 years to find the right people to get the job done.

kingh99
12-16-2006, 12:23 PM
First off just because two guys are christian does not mean there is some christian conspiracy thing going on between them. Next what does your "Christian Conspiracy" and Daniel Snyder have to do with anything? There are two distinct differences between McNair and Snyder, One McNair is attempting to build this team through the draft (which was terribly unsucessful until this year no thanks to Caserly) and Snyder has thrown money and draft picks unsucessfully at free agents for 7 years now. McNair is trying to do this the right way and eventually it will show. Snyder is defiantly in it just for the money and soon it will blow up in his face because he will run out of cap space and have a bunch of old vets with bloated salaries on the team with little talent.

What would be accomplished by Bob McNair throwing David Carr under the bus? McNair said what he needed to say as an owner. So David Carr doesnt get replaced by a Vet next season, so what!!! That does not mean that they won't draft a replacement for Carr in the upcoming draft. Look, I am just as tired of this team losing as everyone else, but you have no proof of this verbal vomit that you are spewing about miracles. I don't see this blind faith of Carr in McNair that you see. I see an owner that is saying what he is supposed to say about his starting QB. What purose would be served by McNair bashing Carr in the Media?

I think that our owner is commited to winning but it has taken him 5 years to find the right people to get the job done.

Dear Jaaysus,

Please give our blessed Carr the strength to see his way through this dark period of air headedness and lack of big play mentality. Please give David the strength to know where the line of scrimmage is when scrambling. In these things we pray, amen.

When it's this pathetic and the team is getting drug down by the play of the most important piece on the field and management is too proud to change their plans, you can be relentless in your criticism. They ought to go to sleep to bullhorns. Show them they aren't insulated from the consequences of dragging the city through the mud by their incompetence.

kingh99
12-16-2006, 12:54 PM
What would be accomplished by Bob McNair throwing David Carr under the bus?


A lot. It would free the rest of the team from their shackles.

powerfuldragon
12-16-2006, 01:03 PM
david carr isn't some oppressor here only to crush the dreams of texans fans.

he's a qb who looks great in practice, but can't translate that on to the field on game day.

i'd replace him only if we could find a suitable replacement. a high-caliber qb. if we end up picking a qb with our pick in the first round of the draft this offseason, then i'd want carr to start while the new kid learns the ropes. if we end up signing some awesome free agent, then i'd want carr to sit at #2 and earn his stripes.

Texan_Bill
12-16-2006, 01:24 PM
david carr isn't some oppressor here only to crush the dreams of texans fans.

he's a qb who looks great in practice, but can't translate that on to the field on game day.

i'd replace him only if we could find a suitable replacement. a high-caliber qb. if we end up picking a qb with our pick in the first round of the draft this offseason, then i'd want carr to start while the new kid learns the ropes. if we end up signing some awesome free agent, then i'd want carr to sit at #2 and earn his stripes.

Hold on there Dragon..... That makes entirely too much sense...

powerfuldragon
12-16-2006, 01:49 PM
Christians stick with Christians and they for some reason all remember JOB when things turn bad for them. I think Mcnair probably is thinking about the JOB scripture at a time like this........

lol. yoou just made like 10,000 friends.

dirty steve
12-16-2006, 01:50 PM
do you really need to have a poll to know how people feel on here about this situation?

dirty steve
12-16-2006, 01:56 PM
There will never be an o-line that can protect Carr. Rosenfels playing behind the same line did not get sacked playing the 2nd half of the 1st Titan game after Carr was sacked 4 times in the 1st half. As long as Carr is QB, we will still be hearing how the o-line is not protecting him.

you ever think why rosenfels had so much time to throw in nashville? maybe because the titans D was playing the string out and wasnt interested ing etting after the passer.

Texan_Bill
12-16-2006, 02:02 PM
There will never be an o-line that can protect Carr. Rosenfels playing behind the same line did not get sacked playing the 2nd half of the 1st Titan game after Carr was sacked 4 times in the 1st half. As long as Carr is QB, we will still be hearing how the o-line is not protecting him.

That was called the "prevent defense"... The Titans D went into a shell because the game was NOT as close as the 28-22 final appeared to be... I am not knocking Sage here, but that was how it went...

vtech9
12-16-2006, 02:06 PM
I voted no opinion, because I don't care if Carr is back or not. I would like to replace him if he can't learn how to be a good QB, but we would need a viable replacement. If Kubiak still thinks he can turn Carr around, then I will give him the benefit of the doubt for one more offseason. If Carr can't learn to look off defenders, can't learn to see the field better and read coverages better, and can't get his confidence back (and prove it), then I would prefer to go with Sage or Quinton or some other QB they might bring in.

One thing that I do want to change if Carr remains, is Carr being handed the starting job without having to fight for it. I want Carr to be challenged for the starting job, and actually beat out the other guys if he is going to be the starter. I want him to prove that he is the best option, and then prove it again every Sunday on the field.

Tale Gator
12-16-2006, 02:36 PM
I'm surprised this poll is as close as it is -- 5 years is way too long particularly after the regression we have seen at the end of this season.

Texas_Thrill
12-16-2006, 02:41 PM
Seriously, they are not going to bring anyone in here to challenge Carr. I think the brass already knows they will beat him out. I can't remember being this depressed in a long time. I've heard the company line and all the blind faith from the front office. I'm just flat out tired of hearing excuses, I want the team to get some wins. I'm tired of walking around the city I love, supporting the teams I love (Texans, Rockets, and Stros), and getting laughed at.

i could not have expressed things any better.

Texas_Thrill
12-16-2006, 02:43 PM
do you really need to have a poll to know how people feel on here about this situation?

i think its a pretty good poll myself b/c i'm actually suprised just how close the thing is.

TEXANRED
12-16-2006, 02:45 PM
he's a qb who looks great in practice, but can't translate that on to the field on game day.



Sounds like Corey Bradford.

Honoring Earl 34
12-16-2006, 02:45 PM
Christians stick with Christians and they for some reason all remember JOB when things turn bad for them. I think Mcnair probably is thinking about the JOB scripture at a time like this........

This just in Lakewood's buying Reliant and signing Carr to a forever contract .

Tale Gator
12-16-2006, 02:54 PM
The religious aspects of Carr's life are an important reason he has started as long as he has IMHO. If he was a bad person with his win/ loss record he would have been dismissed long ago.

[Poll] What do you like most about Carr (http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=31513&highlight=carr)

:)

Nighthawk
12-16-2006, 10:00 PM
That was called the "prevent defense"... The Titans D went into a shell because the game was NOT as close as the 28-22 final appeared to be... I am not knocking Sage here, but that was how it went...


The fact is this team has never tried another QB. Carr was never challenged, either under Capers or Kubiak. If he was a world-beater that'd be fine. He's not a world-beater, he's an egg-beater. At least two, maybe three years ago the Texans should have brought on some strong competition for him.

The fact is the Texans WILL NOT ADMIT THEY MADE A MISTAKE with Carr. It is arrogance and fear, in equal measures, that keep Carr in the driver's seat.

Pride goeth before a fall.

TexanFan881
12-16-2006, 11:23 PM
I don't think we should replace Carr. I do think that we should go this offseason and get someone to push Carr though. I think one guy that nobody has mentioned that I think we can get for a good deal now is Billy Volek. Tennessee traded him to San Diego and now that Phillip Rivers has had such a huge success so far this season, they have no need for him, and would we would probably be able to get him for a good price.

thunderkyss
12-17-2006, 12:22 AM
If I had my way..... Sage would start next season. Or VanPelt.... whichever is better... I wouldn't spend any money in the offseason on a QB.... we've done enough of that.

Carr should watch.

We'll see how good/bad our OL is with another QB under center. IF our QB goes down during a game, David comes in.

The Backup never looks as good as the starter coming into a game. Normally, this is because the backup doesn't practice much with the first team. So I don't expect David to look spectacular..... just competant..... He should start the next week, after taking all the snaps with the first team. He better look better than competent....... better than he's looked all year. Other wise, he's got to go.

I want Kubiak to give David every opportunity..... a run game, an offensive line, mutliple offensive weapons.... and a good defense. The only way we'll know our OL is decent, is if they can protect another QB.

If David still wants to play the role of the $8 million bus driver, he's got to go.

Goldeagle
12-17-2006, 12:53 AM
You know TK, I was wishing Carr would have watched in season 1, like the last 2-3 games.

htsone
12-17-2006, 02:02 AM
McNair was heard to say, in effect, that Carr's staying and that the Texans are building around him. How do you feel about this?

Like puking... I can't believe 40% of the fans want to keep that clown. Blind loyalty ugh.

hts:bag:

rafterticket
12-17-2006, 03:14 AM
The fact is this team has never tried another QB. Carr was never challenged, either under Capers or Kubiak.

The fact is Carr has the qualities you want for a franchise face, and had enormous potential coming out of college.

The fact is there are so many holes in this entire team, that when Kubiak took over, he had to give some people an evaluation. Lots of guys we are used to on our favorite team will not be here over the next couple of seasons.

The fact is, this season has been nothing but an evaluation of David Carr. Shots at Kubiak are not fair. He will do what is best for the Texans.

HOOK'EM
12-17-2006, 05:30 AM
His evaluation is finished, get rid of him.

mancunian
12-17-2006, 06:45 AM
I voted keep him, for now. I keep thinking back to the first part of the 2004 season where after a bad start (0 - 2) we won 4 of the next 5 and Carr played well (memory maybe hazy).

The turning point seems to have been the 2 games after that bye week when we played the Broncos and Colts. Never seemed to be the same again after that.

Now if Carr could recpature the form that he showed in the game against the Vikings - here's the gameday thread to remind us al what we said back then

http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=3351&highlight=week

bigbrewster2000
12-17-2006, 09:46 AM
If I had my way..... Sage would start next season. Or VanPelt.... whichever is better... I wouldn't spend any money in the offseason on a QB.... we've done enough of that.

Carr should watch.

We'll see how good/bad our OL is with another QB under center. IF our QB goes down during a game, David comes in.

The Backup never looks as good as the starter coming into a game. Normally, this is because the backup doesn't practice much with the first team. So I don't expect David to look spectacular..... just competant..... He should start the next week, after taking all the snaps with the first team. He better look better than competent....... better than he's looked all year. Other wise, he's got to go.

I want Kubiak to give David every opportunity..... a run game, an offensive line, mutliple offensive weapons.... and a good defense. The only way we'll know our OL is decent, is if they can protect another QB.

If David still wants to play the role of the $8 million bus driver, he's got to go.

No, this team should not sit on their hands. If we are keeping Carr for next season then we should draft a QB to replace him after next season so said QB will have time to learn the offense. I would not let Sage start just for the sake of seeing how the Line looks with him behind center.

Nighthawk
12-17-2006, 04:30 PM
Another day, another wreck. Anybody else want to vote in the replace Carr poll?

South Texan
12-17-2006, 04:49 PM
Fix the O-Line
Fix the O-Line
Fix the O-Line

Fix the Secondary
Fix the Secondary

THEN look at QB's, kickers, RB, a little more help on the d-line and a couple of other spots.

KEEP Sage or find another starting quality QB. Give Kubiack another half of a season to get Carr going, and if it doesn't happen, we have someone to fall back on.

BTW, did I mention fix the O-Line and Secondary????