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ryansisgod
12-14-2006, 03:37 PM
if the falcons decide to trade Vick, Would you all agree to trade Carr for him. Yes or No? Make your cases.

BigWig
12-14-2006, 03:38 PM
nope!

HOU-TEX
12-14-2006, 03:39 PM
Not no, but Heck no! We can't throw the ball as it is! What's he getting paid? 100 million for ten years or something like that. Yeah, that's what I want...oh, nevermind

Scottyboy
12-14-2006, 03:40 PM
This is about as Hypathical as you can get,
no way does ATl trade Vick for Carr!! :tease:

But I would take if they were offferin st8 up

El Tejano
12-14-2006, 03:42 PM
I think I would do it. We need some excitement and Vick has done alot with the very little he had.

It won't happen though.

ib4texans
12-14-2006, 04:29 PM
Hell to the NO!

Bamaborn-Texasbred
12-14-2006, 04:31 PM
At least Carr can dink and dunk. Vick can't even do that.

real
12-14-2006, 04:32 PM
I can't remember exactly where I heard it.....But supposedly the Falcons are going to start using some packages where Vick is at running back and Schaub is at running back...Right now Dunn, and Norwood are hurt and Griffin(the FB) is the only back.....I would actually like to see this....

real
12-14-2006, 04:32 PM
And to answer this thread....

Not in this offense....

nunusguy
12-14-2006, 04:35 PM
if the falcons decide to trade Vick, Would you all agree to trade Carr for him. Yes or No? Make your cases.
No way this scenario plays out. But if we really got the chance, McNair would
jump all over it because its one way he could really sell tickets this offseason.

V Man
12-14-2006, 04:39 PM
I would do it. Just let whoever plays QB next year hand off to him. (he could be our poor man's Reggie Bush).:shades:

kingh99
12-14-2006, 04:41 PM
if the falcons decide to trade Vick, Would you all agree to trade Carr for him. Yes or No? Make your cases.

2 vets next year. Henne year after. Done. next.

brewhaus
12-14-2006, 04:45 PM
I don't think we want a QB that sells T-shirts like this do we?

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/738/ronmexicocoachkillerrb2.gif (http://imageshack.us)


http://www.ronmexico.com/

:embarrass

ArlingtonTexan
12-14-2006, 05:06 PM
I don't think we want a QB that sells T-shirts like this do we?

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/738/ronmexicocoachkillerrb2.gif (http://imageshack.us)


http://www.ronmexico.com/

:embarrass


The only thing we are missing now is the T-shirt. Principle is the same, an organization who has a number 1 draft pick QB, in what should be in the prime the QBs career is still hoping that the Qb develops or improves or has not had the proper things around him, etc. Five and six years into these guys careers expecting them to all of a sudden develop new habits is folly IMO.

At least Vick is an exciting player with all of his flaws. Carr is pretty generic.

hot pickle
12-14-2006, 05:06 PM
yes i would, his stats dont say much. but at least he gets the team winning

brewhaus
12-14-2006, 05:09 PM
yes i would, his stats dont say much. but at least he gets the team winning

I think he'd be a high priced band-aid.

HomeBred_Texan
12-14-2006, 05:09 PM
Like I said before, if we got Vick for Carr, then who would we get to be the QB?

That would solve our RB problem but wouldn't help us in the passing department...

dtran04
12-14-2006, 05:14 PM
He'll make sportcenter top 10! YAY!

TEXANS84
12-14-2006, 05:28 PM
I'd take Vick in a heartbeat.

infantrycak
12-14-2006, 05:31 PM
This is cracking me up. I'm well established on the record as not a Vick fan but you make that trade in a heartbeat. Dude is a below average passer and a fantastic RB, i.e. at least he is fantastic at something.

real
12-14-2006, 05:45 PM
Vick at running back is a possibility Saturday night
By STEVE WYCHE
Cox News Service
Thursday, December 14, 2006
FLOWERY BRANCH, Ga. — A scenario of using Michael Vick at running back and Matt Schaub at quarterback was discussed Wednesday if injured Atlanta Falcons tailbacks Warrick Dunn and Jerious Norwood are not healthy enough to play against Dallas on Saturday.

Vick, the Falcons Pro Bowl starting quarterback, and coach Jim Mora did not dismiss the possibility of Vick and his backup Schaub playing in the same backfield when questioned by the media. They did try to clarify Vick's role against the Cowboys and beyond.

http://www.dailyadvance.com/pro/content/shared/sports/stories/2006/12/FBN_FALCONS_1214_COX.html

infantrycak
12-14-2006, 05:50 PM
Hmmm, where have I heard that suggestion before?

Mr. B
12-14-2006, 05:55 PM
Kinda funny how everyone is on Vick's case the past few sesons and he is up for trade bait rummers.

If I recall correctly all the things they are saying about VY right now were all said about Vick when he came out

Was gonna revolutionize the game and the position. Was gonna bring multiple superbowls to the Falcons.

Blah, Blah, Blah Defense adjust, Coordinators adjust.

Get a good passing QB in here, shore up the line and we will do alright.

B

the wonger need food
12-14-2006, 06:45 PM
At least Vick would make a few plays to win games which is better than what we have now. As bad as Vick may be he's a much better QB than Dinkin' Davie.

Second Honeymoon
12-14-2006, 06:52 PM
Michael Vick > David Carr

Why is this even being debated? Vick is better than Carr in every aspect.

Throwing Ability = Advantage Vick
Running Ability = Advantage Vick
Intangibles (leadership, desire to win, etc.) = Advantage Vick
Entertainment Value = Advantage Vick
QB Intellect = Advantage Vick
Production to-date = Advantage Vick

The only advantage Carr has over Vick is a smaller contract but at least Vick's contract is somewhat close to his value...unlike Carr's 'Matt Maloney Style' contract

ib4texans
12-14-2006, 06:53 PM
At least Vick would make a few plays to win games which is better than what we have now. As bad as Vick may be he's a much better QB than Dinkin' Davie.




Wonger I couldn't agree with your post more....................



DeMeco Ryans is the AFC Defensive Player of the Year

MrMeToo
12-14-2006, 07:56 PM
I'd take Vick over Carr in a heart beat.

infantrycak
12-14-2006, 07:56 PM
Throwing Ability = Advantage Vick

Surely you jest. Since Vick's junior year he has done nothing as a passer and has dinked and dunked or misthrown passes downfield to his WR's. Crumpler has been his crutch or it would look truly horrendous. Advantage Carr.

Running Ability = Advantage Vick

Absolutely.

Intangibles (leadership, desire to win, etc.) = Advantage Vick

I don't see much team building leadership with Vick as with VY, but I'll give Advantage Vick on individual determination to win.

Entertainment Value = Advantage Vick

Absolutely

QB Intellect = Advantage Vick

Gonna have to go draw here. Coaches have been working with Vick for 6 years now to make him a decent passer, 5 for Carr--neither has gotten anywhere near their "potential."

Production to-date = Advantage Vick

Sure, why not--he has the W's and he has the team.

To the original question--you trade Vick for Carr in a heart beat--doesn't mean Vick is an elite QB.

dantem
12-14-2006, 08:30 PM
The only thing we are missing now is the T-shirt. Principle is the same, an organization who has a number 1 draft pick QB, in what should be in the prime the QBs career is still hoping that the Qb develops or improves or has not had the proper things around him, etc. Five and six years into these guys careers expecting them to all of a sudden develop new habits is folly IMO.

At least Vick is an exciting player with all of his flaws. Carr is pretty generic.

I may be wrong, but I think that is Kubiak's play calling that makes Carr boring. I hope they open it up the rest of the year.

Farough
12-14-2006, 08:34 PM
No.. everyone already complains about Carrs fumble problems... Theres been 3 or 4 times this year where Vick wasn't touched and the ball came out of his hands.

infantrycak
12-14-2006, 08:35 PM
I may be wrong, but I think that is Kubiak's play calling that makes Carr boring. I hope they open it up the rest of the year.

It is decidedly both. The O has been knocked down to 3 and 5 step drops (and short routes) because of protection problems and at the same time there are some longer patterns called that Kubiak has clearly said Carr is missing. It isn't necessarily one or the other--it is both.

infantrycak
12-14-2006, 08:43 PM
No way the Falcons would take Carr for Vick straight up...they aren't fools. The only people who would do this are some of the Carr-only fans here.

Exactly--this is goofy. I don't even like Vick as a QB much and would take that trade in a heart beat.

opus74
12-14-2006, 08:44 PM
This is pure fantasy. A trade would accelerate their cap hit into one year (two at most). No way can they trade Mr. Mexico

ArlingtonTexan
12-14-2006, 08:44 PM
I may be wrong, but I think that is Kubiak's play calling that makes Carr boring. I hope they open it up the rest of the year.

No, I thought that Carr was boring pre-Kubiak. Nothing is his persona excites me. He is one of those people who does and says the right things, but in some sense that is the problem.

L33Z71
12-15-2006, 11:04 AM
I'd say yes in a heartbeat. I don't think that vick is a great QB by any means, but I guess I am so sick and tired of Carr, that any change will at least give me a reason to turn on the game next year.


But it would never happen in a million years. Mike Vick actually has a mind and opinion of his own and would interfere with McNairs.

real
12-15-2006, 11:09 AM
As much as I want Carr gone, and as much as I like Vick I don't make this trade...

I don't like the idea of trading one iffy guy for another....I think Vick is better than Carr, but I just don't like that trade....

eriadoc
12-15-2006, 12:03 PM
I like it if we draft a QB, start Sage next year, and play Vick at RB ;)

False Start
12-15-2006, 12:09 PM
if the falcons decide to trade Vick, Would you all agree to trade Carr for him. Yes or No? Make your cases.

plain and simple ........ no .

Vick is one of the most overrated players in professional sports IMO .

utahmark
12-15-2006, 01:03 PM
No way this scenario plays out. But if we really got the chance, McNair would
jump all over it because its one way he could really sell tickets this offseason.

he hasnt seemed to concerned with getting players that will sell tickets so far.

Texan_Bill
12-15-2006, 01:06 PM
'Ol Ron Mexico is PO'd.... He is upset that the Falcons talked about playing Schaub and using Ron Mexico as a running back.

TexansSeminole
12-15-2006, 01:08 PM
I'd rather have anyone...I'd trade Carr for a 4th or 5th rounder. Dude sucks so bad we probably won't be able to get anything for him.

MojoMan
12-26-2006, 11:53 AM
I was watching the tail end of the Atlanta game on TV Sunday, and the announcers were characterizing Vick as a player who "needs a change of scenery" and would benefit from trade to a different team. I have heard many people here in Houston characterizing David Carr this same way over the last few weeks. Both of them have talent, but neither have consistently led their team to victory.

One of the announcers of the Atlanta game stated that Vick was some what of a cancer to the Atlanta team, and he did not expect Vick to succeed anywhere. I suspect there may be a few Texans fans who do not believe Carr can be a successful QB, regardless of were he might play.

Personally, I am one of those who believes Carr is a good QB who has been treated unfairly by many Houston fans and the media. He does not appear to be the leader that Vince Young is, and we may very well come to regret not having chosen Vince Young in the years to come. However, I think it might be more difficult than many think to find a QB who is clearly better than Carr.

So, back to the question. If an even-up trade between Michael Vick and David Carr was on the table, should we make the trade?

hobie
12-26-2006, 11:55 AM
That would never happen, so.....

t_flare
12-26-2006, 11:56 AM
You dont get big trades in the NFL almost ever.. last big trade was Portis for Bailey

MojoMan
12-26-2006, 11:59 AM
You guys are not answering the question. I do not expect it to happen either. I expect we will stay with Carr. In any case, I was asking if you thought it would be a good trade for us, if we had the opportunity.

Hookem Horns
12-26-2006, 12:00 PM
Why would the Falcons do that? They have 2 QB's that are already better than Carr.

JDizzle
12-26-2006, 12:04 PM
I'd do it in a heartbeat. But, Since Vick isn't a perfect little angel I don't see McNair going for it.

hobie
12-26-2006, 12:04 PM
We are answering the question, It would never happen, so why answer it...

Texan_Bill
12-26-2006, 12:04 PM
I was watching the tail end of the Atlanta game on TV Sunday, and the announcers were characterizing Vick as a player who "needs a change of scenery" and would benefit from trade to a different team. I have heard many people here in Houston characterizing David Carr this same way over the last few weeks. Both of them have talent, but neither have consistently led their team to victory.

One of the announcers of the Atlanta game stated that Vick was some what of a cancer to the Atlanta team, and he did not expect Vick to succeed anywhere. I suspect there may be a few Texans fans who do not believe Carr can be a successful QB, regardless of were he might play.

Personally, I am one of those who believes Carr is a good QB who has been treated unfairly by many Houston fans and the media. He does not appear to be the leader that Vince Young is, and we may very well come to regret not having chosen Vince Young in the years to come. However, I think it might be more difficult than many think to find a QB who is clearly better than Carr.

So, back to the question. If an even-up trade between Michael Vick and David Carr was on the table, should we make the trade?

Not being sarcastice here, but has Michael Vick done anything that would convince you that he could fit in a West Coast style offense? He needs to be in a spread type formation.

the wonger need food
12-26-2006, 12:04 PM
No way Atlanta makes that trade. Vick isn't great, but he's on a much higher level than Carr and worth a lot more in trade. Schaub is a much better QB than Carr also, so there's no reason to trade Vick for a backup. I think the most we can hope for is a mid to late round pick at this point.

QB75
12-26-2006, 12:08 PM
I was watching the tail end of the Atlanta game on TV Sunday, and the announcers were characterizing Vick as a player who "needs a change of scenery" and would benefit from trade to a different team. I have heard many people here in Houston characterizing David Carr this same way over the last few weeks. Both of them have talent, but neither have consistently led their team to victory.

One of the announcers of the Atlanta game stated that Vick was some what of a cancer to the Atlanta team, and he did not expect Vick to succeed anywhere. I suspect there may be a few Texans fans who do not believe Carr can be a successful QB, regardless of were he might play.

Personally, I am one of those who believes Carr is a good QB who has been treated unfairly by many Houston fans and the media. He does not appear to be the leader that Vince Young is, and we may very well come to regret not having chosen Vince Young in the years to come. However, I think it might be more difficult than many think to find a QB who is clearly better than Carr.

So, back to the question. If an even-up trade between Michael Vick and David Carr was on the table, should we make the trade?

Absolutely not. Congrats to Carr on steering the Texans to a great win over the Colts.

MojoMan
12-26-2006, 12:12 PM
Not being sarcastice here, but has Michael Vick done anything that would convince you that he could fit in a West Coast style offense? He needs to be in a spread type formation.

I don't think that is being sarcastic. I think that is a very good answer built on thoughtfulness and insightful analysis.

I guess when I first asked the question, I thought many Texan's fans would be in favor of the trade, since Vick has been one of the poster boys of the NFL, making the perception of this trade one that is wildly in favor of the Texans at Atlanta's expense. Personally, I do not see it that way, but I posed the question because I wanted to see what others think.

Second Honeymoon
12-26-2006, 12:16 PM
Originally Posted by MojoMan

Personally, I am one of those who believes Carr is a good QB who has been treated unfairly by many Houston fans and the media. He does not appear to be the leader that Vince Young is, and we may very well come to regret not having chosen Vince Young in the years to come. However, I think it might be more difficult than many think to find a QB who is clearly better than Carr.

Umm, something tells me that the whole organization and the entire fanbase already deeply regret not having drafted Vince Young. Many won't admit it but if you hooked them up to a lie detector test they all would have to admit that passing on Vince Young was a mistake of astronomical proportions. Even McNair knows he screwed up. Will he admit it? Hell no....but rest assured he knows about it AND hears about it daily. THey will never live the decision down until they make the playoffs.

VY is only one win and one loss away from making the playoffs....this is after the team started 0-5. I think the verdict has already been read on the whole VY v Mario/Carr/Bush argument. The Texans were found guilty of being stupid and ignorant for passing on VY.

Stop sugarcoating things. They screwed up, admit the mistake, move on.....BTW dont be surprised if VY is pushing the Titans into the playoffs and wins one or two playoff games if he gets in. You guys that said the playoffs were impossible when I said not to discount VY playing in the playoffs this year....well you just might be eating some crow.

Vince Young = Black Roger Staubach

Oilersfan
12-26-2006, 12:16 PM
The last thing we need is another clueless QB.

TEXANS84
12-26-2006, 12:25 PM
Psst, have you looked at Vick's contract?
The Falcons' star quarterback signed a 10-year; $130 million contract extension that guarantees him an NFL-record $37 million in bonuses, and he wants to prove he's worth every penny.

Aint gonna happen.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_3_107/ai_n9771537

TexansFanatic
12-26-2006, 12:26 PM
I was watching the tail end of the Atlanta game on TV Sunday, and the announcers were characterizing Vick as a player who "needs a change of scenery" and would benefit from trade to a different team. I have heard many people here in Houston characterizing David Carr this same way over the last few weeks. Both of them have talent, but neither have consistently led their team to victory.

One of the announcers of the Atlanta game stated that Vick was some what of a cancer to the Atlanta team, and he did not expect Vick to succeed anywhere. I suspect there may be a few Texans fans who do not believe Carr can be a successful QB, regardless of were he might play.

Personally, I am one of those who believes Carr is a good QB who has been treated unfairly by many Houston fans and the media. He does not appear to be the leader that Vince Young is, and we may very well come to regret not having chosen Vince Young in the years to come. However, I think it might be more difficult than many think to find a QB who is clearly better than Carr.

So, back to the question. If an even-up trade between Michael Vick and David Carr was on the table, should we make the trade?

God no! Why would we want a cancer like that on this team? The guy made a point of coming out of college a year early so he would avoid being drafted by the Texans. Let him rot.

kbourda
12-26-2006, 12:28 PM
Vick for Carr????? In a heartbeat!

kenneth24
12-26-2006, 12:30 PM
Why would we want Vick? and why would they want Carr? I would think Vick wouldn't be very high on the Texans board and I think Carr wouldn't be very high on the Falcons board. The object is to get better and I don't think Vick would be better as a Texan because of lack of protection and his decision making and I don't think Carr would be good in ATL because of dropped balls and decision making. 2 negatives wouldn't make a positive.

Rightnow
12-26-2006, 12:32 PM
Never going to happen. Ever. Vick will stay in Atlanta for many more years and end the careers of several more coaches. Atlanta is probably content with the hype and the attendance. While it would be cool the have ESPN constantly talking about the Texans and Vick, it won't happen and Vick isn't a good fit for Kubiaks offense.

humbleone
12-26-2006, 12:34 PM
The answer to your question is "NO", which is interesting since if Vick had not surprised the Texans by coming out a year early, he would have been their pick.

Go Texans...beat the Browns! :ski:

Marcus
12-26-2006, 12:36 PM
Stop sugarcoating things. They screwed up, admit the mistake, move on.....
Move on, huh? Think maybe you oughta start practicin what yer preachin there, buddy?:hmmm:

dtran04
12-26-2006, 12:36 PM
Fans would be calling for his head after 3 games anyway. Then we'll have a enormous contract to deal with.

Second Honeymoon
12-26-2006, 01:06 PM
Why would we want Vick? and why would they want Carr? I would think Vick wouldn't be very high on the Texans board and I think Carr wouldn't be very high on the Falcons board. The object is to get better and I don't think Vick would be better as a Texan because of lack of protection and his decision making and I don't think Carr would be good in ATL because of dropped balls and decision making. 2 negatives wouldn't make a positive.

what he said....

another poster mentioned that Vick was rumored to have come out of college early in order to be avoid being drafted by the Texans expansion team. Obviously no one knows for sure if that is the case but either way the Texans don't need Vick.

Vick has trouble with reads and check downs
Vick has trouble turning the ball over

sounds familiar huh?

in addition to this, Vick is one big hit away from being out of the NFL. He is superior to Carr at QB but if he got hurt or lost a step, his career would basically be over. I think he would help energize the franchise but at what price? If you think Carr is overpayed just check out Vick's contract.

Vick is like the 10-12th best QB in the league whereas Carr is like the 24-26th best QB in the league. Is that increase worth the increased cap hit? That is where the argument lies. If Atlanta can't make a playoff run with Vick what makes us think we can? Start Sage, bench Carr, and see how things shake out. If Sage struggles after a few games put in Carr and give him a chance to right his career and regain his job/prestige. If Carr is such a good guy he will have no problem accepting the demotion in the team's interests and having a good attitude while doing so. It's WIN-WIN for everyone.

Just think about it logically, I just think we owe it to the other 50 some odd guys to give someone else a shot. If you feel Carr is worth giving another shot, well he will get another shot UNLESS the Texans are winning. If the Texans are winning with Sage starting then everyone is happy. I don't see how demoting Carr could be a bad move. We have already tried the softshoe approach and it hasn't worked. Try something else is all I am saying. I don't see how I am wrong or a Carr hater.

p.s. I do realize that Sage is currently hurt and this post is directed towards offseason and not Week 17.

Kaiser Toro
12-26-2006, 01:11 PM
I heard somewhere that the most common word in all of the world's languages is no.

Second Honeymoon
12-26-2006, 01:20 PM
Move on, huh? Think maybe you oughta start practicin what yer preachin there, buddy?:hmmm:

I hear ya man. I try to move on every day. It's been a tough pill to swallow though. Basically I was only responding to someone 'sugarcoating' the passing of VY. They said something to the effect of 'perhaps one day we will come to regret the passing of VY'. I was just saying that anyone who doesn't ALREADY regret it must really be on some good meds.

Of course, no one in the organization would say something like that as it would be an unfair slap in the face to Mario. I get that. I am just saying if you hooked them up to a lie detector test they would have to admit it was at least currently a mistake or else the buzzer would go off. Geez, Mario would even admit it if he was hooked up to the machine. When people sugarcoat the passing of VY it just kinda riles me up a bit.

I don't think I am offbase by qualifying it as a mistake....and I like Mario and think he has shown some signs especially in lieu of his injury. I think it was a HUGE PLUS that he was able to play with pain/injury for nearly a full season without further injuring himself or becoming a complete liability to the defense. My feelings are not anti-Mario or anything like that. They are merely a desire to call a spade a spade on this issue and admit it was a screw up. It really shouldnt be debated anymore. Lets all move on and stop making apologies (and I will try to move on as well)

Second Honeymoon
12-26-2006, 01:23 PM
I don't think SH has hurt the team with his "mistakes".

SH, the team won't "admit" they made a mistake because they won't insult the players they picked...that would be stupid. Time for everyone to just get on with the team and let go of their past mistakes.

It's a daily struggle. The Jets win last night made it easier. I was really going to pull my hair out if VY made the playoffs after the Titans started 0-5. With Jets win it is now a total longshot. If you parlayed all the outcomes that would need to happen for the Titans to make the playoffs it would be like 30-1. The dude just has so much freaking Paul Bunyan in him I wouldnt have been surprised if he was playing in February if the Titans made/make the playoffs. I may have faceplanted off the Pierce Elevated if that would have happened.