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Htown'sfinest
12-13-2006, 07:33 PM
David Carr is a product of Jeff Tedford the coach at Cal.Tedford is really good with quarterbacks. All of the quarterbacks that he coached throw a really good ball and have great mechanics. Therefore the NFL has been all over them drafting most of them in the first round. If you have never seen the list of quarterbacks that Tedford coached here it is.

Trent Dilfer
Billy Volek
David Carr
Akili Smith
Joey Harrington
Kyle Boller
Aaron Rodgers
AJ Feeley

6 of these guys went in the first round.Now my question for you guys is......Do you notice anything about the names on this list??? They are all guys who ultimately got traded or assumed a backup role. I will let you guys make of this what you will.:stirpot:

tsip
12-13-2006, 07:52 PM
David Carr is a product of Jeff Tedford the coach at Cal.Tedford is really good with quarterbacks. All of the quarterbacks that he coached throw a really good ball and have great mechanics. Therefore the NFL has been all over them drafting most of them in the first round. If you have never seen the list of quarterbacks that Tedford coached here it is.

Trent Dilfer
Billy Volek
David Carr
Akili Smith
Joey Harrington
Kyle Boller
Aaron Rodgers
AJ Feeley

6 of these guys went in the first round.Now my question for you guys is......Do you notice anything about the names on this list??? They are all guys who ultimately got traded or assumed a backup role. I will let you guys make of this what you will.:stirpot:

...probably a system similar to the run and shoot with Ware (Heisman winner) and the Klinger brothers or Leach's TTech QBs that get drafted but have never done anything in the pros... Carr threw most of his passes to 2 WR's his SR YR...a lot of repetition/a lot of disquising the same play/very little decision making

K.D.
12-13-2006, 08:09 PM
If it quacks like a duck, guess what, it's a duck. j/k. DC is my boy, but man it's getting harder and harder to defend him. It's totally not all of his fault but being the QB, it comes with the territory. Another solid draft and FA, Kubiak at the healm, I think the guy can do what we expect/wishes he can do, if not I have no problem moving in another direction. Draft a QB in later rounds this year, keep carr as signal caller next yr, groom Kolb into the mold Kubiak wants him and for the last year of DC contract, them 2 yrs should be enuf evidence in which way we are going for that 3rd and final yr.

Texans_Chick
12-13-2006, 09:52 PM
IIRC, Carr was recruited by Tedford but wasn't technically a Tedford QB because Tedford left before Carr played.

Some Fresno guy can probably correct me if I am wrong.

NEROtheZERO
12-13-2006, 09:59 PM
How could Joey Harrington and David Carr both be coached by Tedford if they played at the same time on two different teams?

Second Honeymoon
12-13-2006, 10:01 PM
Newsflash : QBs from the West Coast colleges that are not in the Pac-10 always suck.

Kaiser Toro
12-13-2006, 10:06 PM
Newsflash : QBs from the West Coast colleges that are not in the Pac-10 always suck.

You are the Brian Fantana of the Texans' News Team. Stay classy dftw.

Honoring Earl 34
12-13-2006, 10:32 PM
Draft QBs from PA. or QBs who are coaches sons .

NFLforher
12-13-2006, 10:34 PM
Newsflash : QBs from the West Coast colleges that are not in the Pac-10 always suck.


Newsflash: Carr was recruited by the Pac-10.

Honoring Earl 34
12-13-2006, 10:37 PM
So why did'nt he go ?

Hulk75
12-13-2006, 10:39 PM
Newsflash: Carr was recruited by the Pac-10.

Very highly to,

And all those guys were never up for the hiesman finished 5th and he was still at m small school, win as many awards, get drafted #1 or throw for 4,000 yards and 40 TDs in 1 year, thats why they are different from Carr.............

Just save your fingers and type in our many threads why he sucks.

Hulk75
12-13-2006, 10:40 PM
So why did'nt he go ?

He is from there, the Valley.

Honoring Earl 34
12-13-2006, 10:41 PM
I bet he killed SMU his senior year .

NFLforher
12-13-2006, 10:41 PM
So why did'nt he go ?


He's from the valley and watched the dogs since he was growing up.

Hulk75
12-13-2006, 10:46 PM
I bet he killed SMU his senior year .
David Carr threw for four touchdowns and 292
yards as Fresno State won its second straight with a 38-13
victory over Southern Methodist.
Carr completed 25-of-37 passes but just missed registering his
seventh 300-yard passing game of the season. Wright had seven
receptions for 91 yards while Berrian caught four for 72 yards.

He did not finish the game and he was not sacked, interesting about not being sacked and the outcome.:)

YoungTexanFan
12-13-2006, 10:54 PM
I remember something about Tedford leaving Fresno early in Carr's career and going to coach Harrington. I could be wrong but don't really care.

bad
12-14-2006, 12:18 AM
I remember something about Tedford leaving Fresno early in Carr's career and going to coach Harrington. I could be wrong but don't really care.Nor should you. Thanks for the laugh.

Htown'sfinest
12-14-2006, 12:25 AM
That's a really good question. I did note the thread starter has but one, full, entire post. Sounds like someone is doggin' the board.


Nope.....not doggin. Tedford recruited Carr early and then left for Oregon.No big secret but it is true........and yes I do have only one post.Should that matter?? I am not making it up! Just found it to be interesting.

Ibar_Harry
12-14-2006, 12:40 AM
I remember something about Tedford leaving Fresno early in Carr's career and going to coach Harrington. I could be wrong but don't really care.

I believe that is correct. Tedford taught Carr and then later left and went North. Carr almost left and went with him as I remember. Tedford played QB at Fresno State and later was an outstanding QB in the Canadian Football League. He set a number of records while playing in Canada. Tedford knows how to stretch the football field and knows how to teach his players to throw the long ball.

When Tedford played for FSU (Fresno State) he had a pair of WR's by the name of Henry Ellard and Stephan Page to throw to. I think you know these two guys turned out to be halfway decent NFL players. Teams played deep zones, but they could not believe a QB could throw the ball as far as Tedford could on the money. It was a site to behold when those 3 played on the same ball club.

Jim Sweeny was a perfectionist when it came to his WR's running passing routes. That is why Page developed into an outstanding WR. Ellard was a high hurrdler who had unbelievable hands. That team also had a 50 plus yard field goal kicker and a very good RB. That team could have played anybody in the nation that year and given them more than a run for their money. They were going to score a lot of points against any one they played against and did. For a period of time FSU became known as WR U.

I'm amused by all of the nonsense at news conferences and in the Chronicle. Since I don't live in Houston I don't listen to 610 or other Houston sports shows that often. I do read the Chronicle some, but I haven't heard that many comments by David about his team. I don't think you really hear much negativism out of him, but we certainly hear it from a lot of others.

I noticed some of you are questioning Greenwood's skills. I find it interesting since it seems like one of his chief praisers is Kubiak. I would assume Kubiak is telling us the truth in the news conferences. If he is why would you question Greenwood's ability.

What is funny about all of this is the Texans are a team that never has had a decent O-line. It is a team that never has had decent receivers until this year. Even this year the receivers are having troubles separating themselves from the defenders. Until the last two games we have not had a running game this year. Given all of the above I sometimes wonder what the QB is suppose to do?

While I would love to see David remain a Texan I certainly stated before the draft that I thought David was in a no win situation and I think the Texans have done him a very big disservice. I don't think it was intentional I just think people were stupid to think that anyone other than VY was going to make this group of fans happy. It didn't matter what happened, because David was going to be able to do no right. Its like having a bad marriage there is nothing you can do to make it right.

The person who should be thanking his lucky stars is VY. He wound up under an outstanding HC and a great QB coach. The young man needed that in order to develop. He has had the opposite opportunity of Carr. All of you VY fans should be eternally greatful to Bob McNair and David Carr. Their decisions will probably result in VY becoming a great QB.

Some of you have speculated that Carr might wind up in Chicago. I find that interesting as Berrian, who is injured, caught 25% of the passes thrown by Carr in his senior year. Berrian was only a sophmore at the time. He got injured the following year and never matched his sophmore year. This year he was starting to have an impact for Chicago. I would think Carr would love the opportunity to be reunited with Bernard.

bad
12-14-2006, 12:45 AM
If Carr was with Fresno in 2k5 and faced against Vince and the Longhorns. Carr would of got pwned.
Grammar Police! Pull to the side of the boards and be prepared to show your license, registration and IP address.

Since we're making stuff up here I posit that were Vince playing with Fresno in 2005 and playing against Vince and the Longhorns, the first Vince would lose to the latter Vince, and rather handily at that. The Longhorns were the National Champions in 2005. They beat everyone. What exactly is the point of your post other than finding a way to inject Vince and/or the Longhorns into this thread?

No offense intended. I should add "pwned" to the list of things I'm sick and tired of. That's hacker slang and it bugs me because hackers by nature are programmers. I've done some programming and if you misspell anything, or even get the syntax wrong, your code will crash when you try to compile it.

It just bugs me. That and the hacker-inspired using of numbers for letters as if th4t's c00l. Or mIXinG CaSEs when it's not a password. What a bunch of dopes. Sorry. I'm way off-topic. It's late and I'm posting when I should be sleeping.

End of rant.

ib4texans
12-14-2006, 12:46 AM
I believe that is correct. Tedford taught Carr and then later left and went North. Carr almost left and went with him as I remember. Tedford played QB at Fresno State and later was an outstanding QB in the Canadian Football League. He set a number of records while playing in Canada. Tedford knows how to stretch the football field and knows how to teach his players to throw the long ball.

When Tedford played for FSU (Fresno State) he had a pair of WR's by the name of Henry Ellard and Stephan Page to throw to. I think you know these two guys turned out to be halfway decent NFL players. Teams played deep zones, but they could not believe a QB could throw the ball as far as Tedford could on the money. It was a site to behold when those 3 played on the same ball club.

Jim Sweeny was a perfectionist when it came to his WR's running passing routes. That is why Page developed into an outstanding WR. Ellard was a high hurrdler who had unbelievable hands. That team also had a 50 plus yard field goal kicker and a very good RB. That team could have played anybody in the nation that year and given them more than a run for their money. They were going to score a lot of points against any one they played against and did. For a period of time FSU became known as WR U.

I'm amused by all of the nonsense at news conferences and in the Chronicle. Since I don't live in Houston I don't listen to 610 or other Houston sports shows that often. I do read the Chronicle some, but I haven't heard that many comments by David about his team. I don't think you really hear much negativism out of him, but we certainly hear it from a lot of others.

I noticed some of you are questioning Greenwood's skills. I find it interesting since it seems like one of his chief praisers is Kubiak. I would assume Kubiak is telling us the truth in the news conferences. If he is why would you question Greenwood's ability.

What is funny about all of this is the Texans are a team that never has had a decent O-line. It is a team that never has had decent receivers until this year. Even this year the receivers are having troubles separating themselves from the defenders. Until the last two games we have not had a running game this year. Given all of the above I sometimes wonder what the QB is suppose to do?

While I would love to see David remain a Texan I certainly stated before the draft that I thought David was in a no win situation and I think the Texans have done him a very big disservice. I don't think it was intentional I just think people were stupid to think that anyone other than VY was going to make this group of fans happy. It didn't matter what happened, because David was going to be able to do no right. Its like having a bad marriage there is nothing you can do to make it right.

The person who should be thanking his lucky stars is VY. He wound up under an outstanding HC and a great QB coach. The young man needed that in order to develop. He has had the opposite opportunity of Carr. All of you VY fans should be eternally greatful to Bob McNair and David Carr. Their decisions will probably result in VY becoming a great QB.

Some of you have speculated that Carr might wind up in Chicago. I find that interesting as Berrian, who is injured, caught 25% of the passes thrown by Carr in his senior year. Berrian was only a sophmore at the time. He got injured the following year and never matched his sophmore year. This year he was starting to have an impact for Chicago. I would think Carr would love the opportunity to be reunited with Bernard.


Classy post Ibar H, I'll rep you for being classy.

bad
12-14-2006, 12:47 AM
One last thing. Great post Ibar. As always.

Second Honeymoon
12-14-2006, 01:55 AM
You are the Brian Fantana of the Texans' News Team. Stay classy dftw.

lol...sex panther (one of the funniest scenes ever)

threetoedpete
12-14-2006, 05:13 AM
So under this argument....does that mean since Kilingler and Ware busted out....We won't be taking Kolb at any point in the draft this year ? Or any U of H QB in the futrue ?


Thought not.

threetoedpete
12-14-2006, 05:21 AM
Grammar Police! Pull to the side of the boards and be prepared to show your license, registration and IP address.

Since we're making stuff up here I posit that were Vince playing with Fresno in 2005 and playing against Vince and the Longhorns, the first Vince would lose to the latter Vince, and rather handily at that. The Longhorns were the National Champions in 2005. They beat everyone. What exactly is the point of your post other than finding a way to inject Vince and/or the Longhorns into this thread?

No offense intended. I should add "pwned" to the list of things I'm sick and tired of. That's hacker slang and it bugs me because hackers by nature are programmers. I've done some programming and if you misspell anything, or even get the syntax wrong, your code will crash when you try to compile it.

It just bugs me. That and the hacker-inspired using of numbers for letters as if th4t's c00l. Or mIXinG CaSEs when it's not a password. What a bunch of dopes. Sorry. I'm way off-topic. It's late and I'm posting when I should be sleeping.

End of rant.

I'll give you an amnesty. Hit on all of mine too. Well done. Took me three months on here to figure out IIRC. If i remember correctly.

Have you noticed also...our movies keep coming on later and later in the wee hours of the mornings. Adam Sandler & Drew Carry ? Please I grew out of Jerry Lewis forty years ago. Lowest common denominator entertainment ..think I'll pass. I'm out of the fifeth avenue demographic . And I'm ok.

Hulk75
12-14-2006, 11:02 AM
Yea to bad the only SMU type team in the NFL is the Texans, probably why he plays like crap right now. He played against a bunch of no bodies, not hard to light up a bunch of UT/TAMU/UH/TCU/TT regects playing at SMU.

His sorry Fresno State Bulldogs were rated highier at one point then all those teams.

http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/2001_archive_computer_rankings.html

jerek
12-14-2006, 11:05 AM
Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl with the Ravens. By the logic I've seen employed many times on this board, he is therefore superior to Vince Young and Peyton Manning put together.

Cute guise of critical analysis, but pretty much useless as a predictor of success.

Htown'sfinest
12-15-2006, 01:01 AM
So under this argument....does that mean since Kilingler and Ware busted out....We won't be taking Kolb at any point in the draft this year ? Or any U of H QB in the futrue ?


Thought not.


No it doesn't .......They would be years apart. If every year the same coach was popping out QB after QB and they all went belly up I would begin to suspect something. It's the whole Texas Tech philosophy. After the first and second one didn't pan out in the pros....I think you will be hard pressed to find any other going anytime soon.I just found it funny that Tedford has put all these QB's in the pros and they are all suffering from the same symptoms. They all look really good! So good that people keep giving them chance after chance. I see the same things in Carr as Harrington and Boller.They all have that one good game....then a few bad games.Then just when you are about to throw them under the bus......they have that really good game again.Everyone keeps saying that there has never been a really good line here in Houston...maybe it's not the line.Drew Bledsoe supposedly had a terrible line in Dallas,Buffalo,and New England.Funny that as soon as he left the line started playing better.The whole team has changed 20 times in the last 5 years with the only constant being Carr.

utahmark
12-15-2006, 01:18 AM
No it doesn't .......They would be years apart. If every year the same coach was popping out QB after QB and they all went belly up I would begin to suspect something. It's the whole Texas Tech philosophy. After the first and second one didn't pan out in the pros....I think you will be hard pressed to find any other going anytime soon.I just found it funny that Tedford has put all these QB's in the pros and they are all suffering from the same symptoms. They all look really good! So good that people keep giving them chance after chance. I see the same things in Carr as Harrington and Boller.They all have that one good game....then a few bad games.Then just when you are about to throw them under the bus......they have that really good game again.Everyone keeps saying that there has never been a really good line here in Houston...maybe it's not the line.Drew Bledsoe supposedly had a terrible line in Dallas,Buffalo,and New England.Funny that as soon as he left the line started playing better.The whole team has changed 20 times in the last 5 years with the only constant being Carr.

one constant besides carr is that our o-line has always been subpar. carr looked pretty good at the beginning of this year. so good that some of the so called "carr haters" started to change their tune. then when the o-line started getting injured carr started playing bad. you figure.

maybe carr is like bledsoe ive thought that myself. but buffalo hasnt had much of an offense without bledsoe. romo hasnt exactly lite it up but one game, and what do you think the better chance is draft a tom brady our improve our o-line. not many brady's out there.