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gtexan02
12-12-2006, 08:11 PM
If everyone here is tired of Carr, and we want this franchise to take a step forward, we must draft a QB with our 1st round choice. Here me out here:

Our biggest needs assuming we dump Carr are (in no particular order):
QB
HB
OT
OLB
CB
FS
SS

HB: Good backs can be found in multiple rounds, and late in the first or early in the 2nd produces top of the line backs. There is no way you could convince me to give top 5 money to a player who is bound to get beat up.

OT: With Kubiaks style hopefully coming on board this next season, there is no reason to spend a top 5 pick on an OT.

OLB: Again, I can't think of a reason to pay an OLB in a 4-3 top 5 money. You can get these guys in free agency or in later rounds. See Demeco, Lofa, etc.

CB/S: This may be the one exception -- really good corners and safeties seem to go mid to early 1st round. I think we could get someone through FA to fill this need, however.

Then there is the QB. I haven't done the research, so don't flame me if I'm wrong, but I'd be willing to bet that the VAST majority of NFL starting QBs were picked in the 1st (or VERY early in the 2nd) round of the draft. Yes there are a few notable exceptions, but we as Texans fans now know how important a good QB is to a team (see NO Saints), and Im not willing to take a project in rounds 2-5 that will take a year of grooming before becoming a game manager. I want the next Carson Palmer. A sure bet guy who will develop into the franchise leader. And that guy will be there in the 1st round.

Trap_Star
12-12-2006, 08:14 PM
Quinn or Smith. Its all good... Smith would come cheaper...

bah007
12-12-2006, 08:38 PM
If everyone here is tired of Carr, and we want this franchise to take a step forward, we must draft a QB with our 1st round choice. Here me out here:

Our biggest needs assuming we dump Carr are (in no particular order):
QB
HB
OT
OLB
CB
FS
SS

HB: Good backs can be found in multiple rounds, and late in the first or early in the 2nd produces top of the line backs. There is no way you could convince me to give top 5 money to a player who is bound to get beat up.

OT: With Kubiaks style hopefully coming on board this next season, there is no reason to spend a top 5 pick on an OT.

OLB: Again, I can't think of a reason to pay an OLB in a 4-3 top 5 money. You can get these guys in free agency or in later rounds. See Demeco, Lofa, etc.

CB/S: This may be the one exception -- really good corners and safeties seem to go mid to early 1st round. I think we could get someone through FA to fill this need, however.

Then there is the QB. I haven't done the research, so don't flame me if I'm wrong, but I'd be willing to bet that the VAST majority of NFL starting QBs were picked in the 1st (or VERY early in the 2nd) round of the draft. Yes there are a few notable exceptions, but we as Texans fans now know how important a good QB is to a team (see NO Saints), and Im not willing to take a project in rounds 2-5 that will take a year of grooming before becoming a game manager. I want the next Carson Palmer. A sure bet guy who will develop into the franchise leader. And that guy will be there in the 1st round.

The next Carson Palmer is not in this draft for sure.

Maybe next year when Brohm comes out but that's a big maybe.

thunderkyss
12-12-2006, 08:45 PM
The thing about Franchise QBs......... there isn't always one available in the draft.

Just because you have a top 5 pick.... and there are QBs available in the draft doesn't mean that the one you get with the #5 overall is a franchise QB.

That's why you take BPA....... of course you don't draft a CB when you have two all pros. But, BPA within reason.

We've got a lot of needs on our team. & there will be a FA period prior to the draft.... & after the draft(the best FAs are usually gone before the draft).

So..... a team like NewOrleans, who sent their best QB to SouthCarolina a few years ago, and their big money QB insults the team owner, who you thought might really need a QB ends up not. A guy who is a #1 prospect a year ago is drops to a #3 overall prospect...... then a #7 prospect....... then a #10 prospect. The guy didn't get any worse..... but BPA for each team was different...

If this guy Thomas or whoever passess the scrutiny, and is considered a Blue Chip prospect........ my bet would be that Kubiak & Smith will draft the franchise LT, and give it one more go with Carr.

The more I think about it...... the more I believe this will happen.

Mr. White
12-12-2006, 08:45 PM
OT: With Kubiaks style hopefully coming on board this next season, there is no reason to spend a top 5 pick on an OT.


Unless he's 6'8" and 315 pounds and slams blitzers to the ground like rag dolls.

TexanSam
12-12-2006, 08:49 PM
The next Carson Palmer is not in this draft for sure.

Maybe next year when Brohm comes out but that's a big maybe.

I thought Brohm was coming out this year. Either way, I'm not sold on Brady Quinn and chances are he won't even be there for us to pick when it's our turn to draft. It looks like the Raiders will have the 1st pick and if they don't draft Quinn they're stupid. Unless the Texans trade down to the middle of the 1st round to take Troy Smith, taking him with a top 5-8 pick is probably a little high.

bah007
12-12-2006, 08:54 PM
I thought Brohm was coming out this year. Either way, I'm not sold on Brady Quinn and chances are he won't even be there for us to pick when it's our turn to draft. It looks like the Raiders will have the 1st pick and if they don't draft Quinn they're stupid. Unless the Texans trade down to the middle of the 1st round to take Troy Smith, taking him with a top 5-8 pick is probably a little high.

Speculation was that Brohm was coming out this year but I read on Louisville's website that he & Petrino talked and decided he should stay another year because he will be the unanimous #1 QB. I posted a link somewhere in another post I think.

I'm not sold on Quinn either. He wouldnt be a top 15 pick if this were last year's draft.

The Raiders wont draft a QB with their first pick. They might trade up out of the 2nd to get one but they wont use their 1st pick.

I dont think Smith is a top 10 pick. If we traded back to 12 or so I wouldnt complain.

Vinny
12-12-2006, 08:56 PM
If we draft a lesser QB prospect with the first pick the year after the best draft for QB's since 83 I think my head will explode.

Kaiser Toro
12-12-2006, 08:59 PM
We will not be drafting a QB in the 1st round. Joe Thomas or AP will be the selection.

dtran04
12-12-2006, 09:05 PM
Peterson running over Colt defenders would bring a smile to my face. Then again, his running style will shorten his career considerably.

Honoring Earl 34
12-12-2006, 09:10 PM
I do agree ... stud LTs are hard to . There also a main component for playoff teams .

Ron Yary
Rayfield Wright
Larry Brown
Jim Lachey
Art Shell
Anthony Munoz
Gary Zimmerman
Will ? Buffalo Bills Jim Kelly era Wilford
Orlando Pace
Mark Tuine ( sp) Dallas

TexansLucky13
12-12-2006, 09:13 PM
Deep down I wish that all of our picks would be Offensive lineman so that we can prepare for the injuries that will undoubtedly occur. Someone upstairs seems to not want our O-line to ever gel.

:crying:

Grid
12-12-2006, 09:26 PM
Peterson running over Colt defenders would bring a smile to my face. Then again, his running style will shorten his career considerably.

It would be very interesting to see Peterson sharing carries with Dayne and Gado.

Thats 3 guys that will run people over. Talk about wearing folks down.

(Yah I know..i didnt mention Lundy. His lack of vision when he gets the ball bothers me.. but hes a rookie and he is entitled to some "time to develop" before he gets tossed)

HomeBred_Texan
12-12-2006, 09:31 PM
It would be very interesting to see Peterson sharing carries with Dayne and Gado.

Thats 3 guys that will run people over. Talk about wearing folks down.

(Yah I know..i didnt mention Lundy. His lack of vision when he gets the ball bothers me.. but hes a rookie and he is entitled to some "time to develop" before he gets tossed)

I agree, we need someone like AP more than a new QB.

thunderkyss
12-12-2006, 09:42 PM
It would be very interesting to see Peterson sharing carries with Dayne and Gado.

Thats 3 guys that will run people over. Talk about wearing folks down.

(Yah I know..i didnt mention Lundy. His lack of vision when he gets the ball bothers me.. but hes a rookie and he is entitled to some "time to develop" before he gets tossed)

I don't think it's Lundy's lack of vision that's a problem. In this offense, the RB is supposed to drive the ball up the middle, and cut at the very last possible second.

I think his problem is figuring out when that last second is. because he's taking it a step too far, and getting himself trapped.

That first Jacksonville game, he did really well... but I believe Kubiak got on him, and told him to take the play deeper into the line. I think that's hurting his productivity. But as a team, if we're ever going to get this OL working right, we can't take shortcuts, and allow Lundy to do whatever it takes to gain a yard........ we need to get our OL to the point where anyone who follows the play will get 5 yards untouched.

LORK 88
12-12-2006, 09:43 PM
Wont happen. Drafting a QB the year after we passed on Vince would cause riots in Houston. BTW, Lofa and DeMeco are MLBs, not OLBs . . .

Honoring Earl 34
12-12-2006, 09:51 PM
OK here is my four round Texan mock .

1. Joe Thomas if he's gone Peterson

2. Earl Everett

3. Trent Edwards

4. John Wendling

gtexan02
12-12-2006, 10:22 PM
Wont happen. Drafting a QB the year after we passed on Vince would cause riots in Houston. BTW, Lofa and DeMeco are MLBs, not OLBs . . .

Technically DeMeco is an OLB who they transitioned. Many college LBs can make transitions their first year. I ws just trying to show there are great LBs out there after the 1st round

threetoedpete
12-13-2006, 12:26 AM
Deep down I wish that all of our picks would be Offensive lineman so that we can prepare for the injuries that will undoubtedly occur. Someone upstairs seems to not want our O-line to ever gel.

:crying:

We don't need all of them to be...just need the OLT prospect. There are more than a couple of gaurd/center types in the draft. I re watched the BYU Utah game. There are several beast in the pipe line. They're not all going to go day one. We can afford to patch a couple of defensive holes befor they go to the well for a center/ gaurd prospect. We can hold our water on the interior guys. But Kubes must have the OLT prospect. Spencers leg is the crap shoot in this draft. Lot's of assuming going on in Texan's land. And you know what they say about assume. It is the mother of all foul ups.

LORK 88
12-13-2006, 12:31 AM
Technically DeMeco is an OLB who they transitioned. Many college LBs can make transitions their first year. I ws just trying to show there are great LBs out there after the 1st round
True, but a majority are Round 1. The biggest problem with going QB R1 is how the fans would react. We passed on the hometown hero so we could take a lesser QB prospect a year later? Houston would have riots. Anyways, heres how I have the first 4 rounds goin:

1) LaRon Landry, FS, LSU
2) Rufus Alexander, OLB, Oklahoma
3) Ryan Harris, OT, Notre Dame
4) Brandon Mebane, DT, Cal

Of course, this is banking on getting a good CB and RB in FA (hopefully Ladell Betts and Asante Samuel).

threetoedpete
12-13-2006, 12:46 AM
Not bad gTex. Think you're taking Landry a bit high, but I'm tired of agueing it.

beerlover
12-13-2006, 01:01 AM
there is no law that states the Texans must do anything, in fact I feel Carr should get one more year under Kubiak before he is cut/traded. in the meantime draft a LT & QB to groom both of which do not have to be a 1st rd pick. the Texans need to take the best player available this time around with their 1st pick, its a cardinal sin to overlook a playmaker to address a need, which is what you would be doing again if drafting a QB that high in the draft, thats what got the Texans into trouble in the first place :shades:

dbspi
12-13-2006, 01:02 AM
This is weak quarterback class similar to 2002 so it would be better to sign free agent QB like Huard from Kansas City for few years or give Sage Rosenfels a chance to see what he can do and wait till 2008 or 2009 class to find our quarterback of the future.

dbspi
12-13-2006, 01:09 AM
Although no fault of Carr, I think its time for us to cut our loses and move on without Carr other wise Texans will have hard time putting people in stands.

kastofsna
12-13-2006, 08:01 AM
Why do I hear Troy Smith's name mentioned as a first rounder? I honestly believe he is, if lucky, a late second round guy. He obviously doesn't have NFL size at 5'11, his true height, and just over 200 pounds. His arm strength is nothing spectacular either. He flashes mobility but he isn't the scrambling type like your typical Vince Young or Michael Vick.
he has a great arm.

threetoedpete
12-13-2006, 10:13 AM
His little brother Jordan will be though.

I watched one game late one night... Say it with me...Jordan is not an option.

Texian
12-13-2006, 10:32 AM
I watched one game late one night... Say it with me...Jordan is not an option.

"DITTO"

unless you want to take flyer and sign him as a free agent after the draft.

kastofsna
12-13-2006, 11:17 AM
I watched one game late one night... Say it with me...Jordan is not an option.
because one game says everything about an amateur athlete who's still not close to exploring his full potential.

bah007
12-13-2006, 01:14 PM
because one game says everything about an amateur athlete who's still not close to exploring his full potential.

The main reason this kid is being mentioned is because of who his brother is.

I've seen more than a few UTEP games and he will never be as good as his brother.

He may yet become a starting QB someday but I dont see it.

He has a really strong arm with decent accuracy.

But he is one of those players who doesnt get back up after he makes a mistake & that isnt coachable.

kastofsna
12-13-2006, 01:53 PM
well of course being the brother of carson palmer helps him get attention.

but he does plenty of good things. he also throws a lot of picks. if he cuts down on that, he'll be a first day pick, and deservedly so.

El Tejano
12-13-2006, 02:15 PM
I don't think QB in the 1st round is a good idea. Here are some reasons why:

1. No OL or running game isn't going to make a difference who you put back there.

2. There is a decent QB FA class that is expected to be out there (Huard, Schaub) along with Plummer probably wanting to come here.

3. Our team seems to like Rosenfels and if #2 never becomes an option, you could have him compete for the #1 with Carr and it wouldn't hurt in terms of knowledge of our offense (we wouldn't have to start from scratch).

4. You can draft a QB in the second round and groom him for a year and Carr or Rosenfels can be your band aid.

5. What about Bradlee Vanpelt. I heard he has a pair of cajones.


Now given my #1 reason, you have to admit those are the two things we are missing in this offense especially since our scheme relies on that play action pass.

bah007
12-13-2006, 02:45 PM
I don't think QB in the 1st round is a good idea. Here are some reasons why:

1. No OL or running game isn't going to make a difference who you put back there.

2. There is a decent QB FA class that is expected to be out there (Huard, Schaub) along with Plummer probably wanting to come here.

3. Our team seems to like Rosenfels and if #2 never becomes an option, you could have him compete for the #1 with Carr and it wouldn't hurt in terms of knowledge of our offense (we wouldn't have to start from scratch).

4. You can draft a QB in the second round and groom him for a year and Carr or Rosenfels can be your band aid.

5. What about Bradlee Vanpelt. I heard he has a pair of cajones.


Now given my #1 reason, you have to admit those are the two things we are missing in this offense especially since our scheme relies on that play action pass.

1. Agree

2. Shaub - not worth a 1st
Plummer - no thanks
Huard - maybe

3. Agree

4. No thanks (like Vinny keeps saying, I would be very unhappy if we drafted a QB the very next year after we skipped on the best QB class in over 20 years)

5. Carr has more cajones than Van Pelt and everybody hates him. Van Pelt is not the answer, I would rather have Rosenfels play

TexasJedi
12-13-2006, 03:07 PM
True, but a majority are Round 1. The biggest problem with going QB R1 is how the fans would react. We passed on the hometown hero so we could take a lesser QB prospect a year later? Houston would have riots. Anyways, heres how I have the first 4 rounds goin:

1) LaRon Landry, FS, LSU
2) Rufus Alexander, OLB, Oklahoma
3) Ryan Harris, OT, Notre Dame
4) Brandon Mebane, DT, Cal

Of course, this is banking on getting a good CB and RB in FA (hopefully Ladell Betts and Asante Samuel).

Betts re-signed with the Redskins a few days ago.

TexanSam
12-13-2006, 03:17 PM
because one game says everything about an amateur athlete who's still not close to exploring his full potential.

Yep. And I'm not saying we should take him...just pointing out that maybe the Next Carson Palmer isn't in this draft but that his actual flesh and blood brother is. He actually played pretty well considering he didn't have the most talent around him at UTEP. I don't see how he'd be any more of a gamble than the kid from University of Houston.


The main reason this kid is being mentioned is because of who his brother is.

I've seen more than a few UTEP games and he will never be as good as his brother.

He may yet become a starting QB someday but I dont see it.

He has a really strong arm with decent accuracy.

But he is one of those players who doesnt get back up after he makes a mistake & that isnt coachable.

I'm a big UTEP fan and Jordan is good, sometimes he looks very good, but he's extremely inconsistent. He's not ready to play in the NFL and I'm not sure if he ever will be. He throws way too many interceptions and he gets too down on himself. I see Palmer being a bench player for 2, 3, maybe 4 years before he gets his chance. Kind of like Tony Romo. He's got some talent but any team that thinks he's ready to play right away is probably crazy. Kevin Kolb is far better than he is. What Palmer did have was Johnnie Lee Higgens, a great WR. He had a poor offensive line though and he's not a scrambling QB. I wouldn't draft him if I were the Texans. I don't think he'll amount to much in the NFL.

bah007
12-13-2006, 03:19 PM
I'm a big UTEP fan and Jordan is good, sometimes he looks very good, but he's extremely inconsistent. He's not ready to play in the NFL and I'm not sure if he ever will be. He throws way too many interceptions and he gets too down on himself. I see Palmer being a bench player for 2, 3, maybe 4 years before he gets his chance. Kind of like Tony Romo. He's got some talent but any team that thinks he's ready to play right away is probably crazy. Kevin Kolb is far better than he is. What Palmer did have was Johnnie Lee Higgens, a great WR. He had a poor offensive line though and he's not a scrambling QB. I wouldn't draft him if I were the Texans. I don't think he'll amount to much in the NFL.

Johnnie Lee Higgens will tho.

I think he is great.

kastofsna
12-13-2006, 03:22 PM
higgins is good. not much besides a speed guy though.

huge sleeper at WR: mike walker from UCF.

bah007
12-13-2006, 03:31 PM
higgins is good. not much besides a speed guy though.

huge sleeper at WR: mike walker from UCF.

Ginn isnt much besides a speed guy either but there is a ton of hype around him.

Agree on Walker tho. I've only seen him twice & he was very good both times.

kastofsna
12-13-2006, 03:32 PM
ginn has better overall game though, has played in a more pro-style offense, and against much better competition. it's the difference between a top 15 pick (ginn) and a 2nd rounder (higgins).

TexansSeminole
12-13-2006, 05:22 PM
ginn has better overall game though, has played in a more pro-style offense, and against much better competition. it's the difference between a top 15 pick (ginn) and a 2nd rounder (higgins).

Ginn reminds me of Santana Moss.

GanadoUHCoog
12-13-2006, 05:28 PM
1st Rd: Adrian Peterson
2nd Rd: Kevin Kolb


'nuff said

Mr teX
12-13-2006, 06:14 PM
If everyone here is tired of Carr, and we want this franchise to take a step forward, we must draft a QB with our 1st round choice. Here me out here:

Our biggest needs assuming we dump Carr are (in no particular order):
QB
HB
OT
OLB
CB
FS
SS

HB: Good backs can be found in multiple rounds, and late in the first or early in the 2nd produces top of the line backs. There is no way you could convince me to give top 5 money to a player who is bound to get beat up.

OT: With Kubiaks style hopefully coming on board this next season, there is no reason to spend a top 5 pick on an OT.

OLB: Again, I can't think of a reason to pay an OLB in a 4-3 top 5 money. You can get these guys in free agency or in later rounds. See Demeco, Lofa, etc.

CB/S: This may be the one exception -- really good corners and safeties seem to go mid to early 1st round. I think we could get someone through FA to fill this need, however.

Then there is the QB. I haven't done the research, so don't flame me if I'm wrong, but I'd be willing to bet that the VAST majority of NFL starting QBs were picked in the 1st (or VERY early in the 2nd) round of the draft. Yes there are a few notable exceptions, but we as Texans fans now know how important a good QB is to a team (see NO Saints), and Im not willing to take a project in rounds 2-5 that will take a year of grooming before becoming a game manager. I want the next Carson Palmer. A sure bet guy who will develop into the franchise leader. And that guy will be there in the 1st round.


What happened to the "Start Sage" bandwagon? Why would we waste our first round draft pick on a QB when sage is the answer right there under our nose? you guys don't know what you want.:brickwall If Sage is the guy then lets screw him up 1st by not fixing our O-line then people will see the real problem & realize we need to do something about it. We could turn over the reins to him & bring porter off of the practice squad.

Honoring Earl 34
12-13-2006, 06:21 PM
My first to picks would be starters . I'd see if there was a QB in the 3rd though .

run-david-run
12-13-2006, 06:54 PM
We have way bigger wholes then QB. First and foremost we need a LT, the FS/CB, OLB, DT and a feature back (AP or Lynch should be the pick if Thomas is gone).

threetoedpete
12-14-2006, 02:21 AM
because one game says everything about an amateur athlete who's still not close to exploring his full potential.

This guy can't clean the toe jam out of Carson toe nails. Plain enough. Maybe he was a gypsy baby I don't know.

1. he is a very inacurate passer.

2. He is more of a statue in the pocket than Drew Bledsoe. I'm guessing the 5.0 forty range.

3. at the most critcal times in the game he will make the stupid desidsion.

Other than the TD to interception thingy, maybe you're correct, I'm being a bit hard on the boy.

Please ! No matter how much lip sitck you put on him, he's destined for selling major appliances at Sears.

threetoedpete
12-14-2006, 02:31 AM
1st Rd: Adrian Peterson
2nd Rd: Kevin Kolb


'nuff said

You post me a link to any major sports site that has Kolb in the top one hundred and I'll buy the day one pick on the guy. Till then this is Alice in Wonderland stuff we usually see from the Horns and Ag fans in the off season. I mean I'm glad you're not immune to it. But Who , other than the Texans will take this guy with a day one pick ? That should be you first clue. He's a nice college QB, He's improved his TDs to interceptions. He's a great prospect. Unless someone reaches, he's not a day one QB. . He posts a sub 4.9 forty at the combine...I'll be shocked. For obvious reasons, the QB in Kubiaks offense must be moblie. Can you name a Denver QB who wasn't ?

threetoedpete
12-14-2006, 02:35 AM
My first to picks would be starters . I'd see if there was a QB in the 3rd though .

There's about forty prospects on the board...Just like Owen Daneils, if he wants the young QB, I'm sure he can find one he likes. I trust Kubes more than anyone on the board to pick a qb prospect for the franchise.

painekiller
12-14-2006, 03:54 AM
You post me a link to any major sports site that has Kolb in the top one hundred and I'll buy the day one pick on the guy. Till then this is Alice in Wonderland stuff we usually see from the Horns and Ag fans in the off season. I mean I'm glad you're not immune to it. But Who , other than the Texans will take this guy with a day one pick ? That should be you first clue. He's a nice college QB, He's improved his TDs to interceptions. He's a great prospect. Unless someone reaches, he's not a day one QB. . He posts a sub 4.9 forty at the combine...I'll be shocked. For obvious reasons, the QB in Kubiaks offense must be moblie. Can you name a Denver QB who wasn't ?

It's a pay site so can not give the link, but the huddlereport has him :
90 6 QB Kevin Kolb 6-3 225 4.8 - - Houston
I think he is a 1st day guy, which is why I am thinking he is going elsewhere. Now slip him to me in the 4th, we are talking another story. Oh and Kubiak has to draft him, meaning he has to be the choice of this coach.

Janus3
12-14-2006, 04:29 AM
if you want to take a qb over the likes of peterson or another playmaker you're out of your mind.

real
12-14-2006, 08:36 AM
I don't want a QB in the first rd. period....

TexasJedi
12-14-2006, 10:24 AM
1st Rd: Adrian Peterson
2nd Rd: Kevin Kolb


'nuff said
Scratch Kolb in round 2 and substitute any one of the following and I like it: Offensive tackle, Defensive tackle, Outside linebacker, Corner, or Free safety.

Honoring Earl 34
12-14-2006, 12:13 PM
Here is again my 4rd Texan mock ... this has some luck added .

1 . Joe Thomas LT

2. Earl Everett OLB Florida

3. Trent Edwards QB Stanford

4. John Wendling S Wyoming

mexican_texan
12-14-2006, 12:30 PM
Russell is by far the greatest college quarterback in college football history. Russell is one of the biggest college football quarterbacks in terms of size. During his junior season, LSU listed Russell at 6'6" and 260 pounds. His size and weight make it difficult for pass rushers to tackle him. In addition, he has an extremely strong arm but average to below-average speed and scrambling ability. Because of his physical attributes, some people compare him as a quarterback to NFL star Daunte Culpepper.

If it says so on Wikipedia, it must be true.

Sportsfan
12-14-2006, 03:17 PM
I want them to draft a QB and let them learn behind Rosenfels next year assuming he's the starter.

Marcus
12-14-2006, 03:45 PM
If we draft a lesser QB prospect with the first pick the year after the best draft for QB's since 83 I think my head will explode.

Drafting a QB the year after we passed on Vince would cause riots in Houston.

Although no fault of Carr, I think its time for us to cut our loses and move on without Carr other wise Texans will have hard time putting people in stands.

if you want to take a qb over the likes of peterson or another playmaker you're out of your mind.

I don't want a QB in the first rd. period....

I want them to draft a QB and let them learn behind Rosenfels next year assuming he's the starter.

If you want a QB, get a free agency pickup, or stick with what you have until you finally have an offensive line that will permit a 7 step drop. Otherwise, it's a waste.

Sportsfan
12-14-2006, 03:50 PM
If you want a QB, get a free agency pickup, or stick with what you have until you finally have an offensive line that will permit a 7 step drop. Otherwise, it's a waste.

Good point. Might as well keep Carr then. I'd like to see his full potential w/a good line. Then again i question his leadership. Hell i don't care what they do as long as we can win.

thunderkyss
12-14-2006, 03:57 PM
I guess no one is aware of the fact that David did several seven step drops in the Oakland game for a -5 net passing yards....

V Man
12-14-2006, 03:57 PM
Hell i don't care what they do as long as we can win.


Echo, Echo do I hear an echo.


We have a winner.

light
12-15-2006, 08:05 AM
If Troy Smith falls into the second, I don't see any reason not to take him. He's got that "IT" factor and all he does is win football games. Ohio State is unbeaten and Troy Smith can levitate.

I doubt he falls to us in the second, but if he does, get him with a quickness.

troy smith plays for ohio state, i bet there is at least 10 other qb's that would go undefeated on that team. i dont see why you think that dousche would be good in the nfl, he would have to scramble just to see downfield because he is so short. name me one qb with his build that has been successful in the nfl. the "it" factor more like the "bs" factor. its rediculous how many college qb's went undefeated or had a really good season, and did a bunch of nothing in the nfl. troy smith is the next slash (cordell stewart). he should just enter the draft as a wide reciever and save himself some time. if you want to get rid of carr for a qb like troy smith, well that just sounds like a bunch of stupid. adrian peterson hands down

kastofsna
12-15-2006, 08:23 AM
troy smith plays for ohio state, i bet there is at least 10 other qb's that would go undefeated on that team.
so? what's that have to do with anything?
name me one qb with his build that has been successful in the nfl.
drew brees.
the "it" factor more like the "bs" factor. its rediculous how many college qb's went undefeated or had a really good season, and did a bunch of nothing in the nfl.
there's also plenty of QB's who went undefeated and had really good seasos in college AND did great in the NFL. :)

mexican_texan
12-15-2006, 10:27 AM
By this point, we shouldn't even think of Smith as a scrambler.

kastofsna
12-15-2006, 11:08 AM
By this point, we shouldn't even think of Smith as a scrambler.
i guess steve young isn't a scrambler either.

mexican_texan
12-15-2006, 11:14 AM
I say they're QBs. I don't think there should be question that Smith...and Young...are QBs. Not scramblers who can't throw to save their lives.

kastofsna
12-15-2006, 11:21 AM
i think your definition of "scrambler" is off.

a scrambler is a QB who has the ability to scramble from pressure, and run if the opprotunity is there.

a running QB is a guy who runs first and foremost.

mexican_texan
12-15-2006, 11:26 AM
We don't see eye to eye on the definition, but this isn't english class...so let me rephrase that. Smith is more of a pocket passer than a runner.

kastofsna
12-15-2006, 11:29 AM
scouts called marino a "scrambler" coming out of college. the definition is clear...

mexican_texan
12-15-2006, 11:32 AM
Scouts called Ryan Leaf a future star. Some scouts are off.

kastofsna
12-15-2006, 11:43 AM
...what's that got to do with anything? marino's a "scrambler" because he can escape pressure with his legs and toss the ball around while on the move.

mexican_texan
12-15-2006, 11:47 AM
Uh...we don't seem to have the same definition of scrambler. How's this: Troy Smith is more Marino than Vick?

Marcus
12-15-2006, 12:26 PM
If you want a QB, get a free agency pickup, or stick with what you have until you finally have an offensive line that will permit a 7 step drop. Otherwise, it's a waste.

I guess no one is aware of the fact that David did several seven step drops in the Oakland game for a -5 net passing yards....

What does successfully permitting a 7 step drop mean to you you?

And do you think those 7 step drops were successful in Oakland?

(If you want to play word games, trust me, I'm just as good playing that game as you are.)

kastofsna
12-15-2006, 12:26 PM
okay, just make up your own definition of scrambler then. i personally think the word "chair" means "to open a jar of peanut butter." why not!

mexican_texan
12-15-2006, 01:29 PM
Uh...OK.

Meloy
12-15-2006, 01:40 PM
You post me a link to any major sports site that has Kolb in the top one hundred and I'll buy the day one pick on the guy. Till then this is Alice in Wonderland stuff we usually see from the Horns and Ag fans in the off season. I mean I'm glad you're not immune to it. But Who , other than the Texans will take this guy with a day one pick ? That should be you first clue. He's a nice college QB, He's improved his TDs to interceptions. He's a great prospect. Unless someone reaches, he's not a day one QB. . He posts a sub 4.9 forty at the combine...I'll be shocked. For obvious reasons, the QB in Kubiaks offense must be moblie. Can you name a Denver QB who wasn't ?If Carr stays and Kolbs is avail in 4th would you pull that trigger? That is where I have him.

mexican_texan
12-15-2006, 01:41 PM
He'll go higher.

threetoedpete
12-15-2006, 01:53 PM
He'll go higher.

Show me one place that has Kolb in the top 100. Just one ? No HE WILL not. Unless someone really really reaches on him. Now with our history I'll grant you it is a true possiblity. If he's there day two and the coach wants him...I'll be on board. BUT Kolb guys.....what was one of the first cuts with this staff ? Give ya a hint he's running the Rams practice squad. Prety fair QB coming out of college. And why did they cut him ? You're setting yourseves up for heartbeark Kolb guys.

kastofsna
12-15-2006, 01:58 PM
you're making such a bold prediction when the real fun hasn't even begun yet.

kolb has been invited to the senior bowl. that alone can make a player's stock skyrocket. then there's the combine. and individual workouts.

oh yeah, plus he has a bowl game against south carolina, too.

Hum398
12-15-2006, 04:59 PM
Im new to the this board. and i have to say that i am amazed at the stupidity of most of you Texan fans (Im a texan fan so dont get your undies in a bunch..im not hating)

First, drafting a QB in the first round is completely out of the question. Its not even an option if this franchise wants to suceed. Getting the next top pick QB is not what we need. We got David Carr without a Vetran QB for him to learn under and look what happen... The kid has nothing to offer a team besides a strong arm and bad choices in regard to pass selection... Every notice how he loves to underachieve... Those 5 yard dump off's arent going to cut it if you wan t to win. So, the texans will dump carr to either a trade (i doubt) or pick up a Free agent QB such as Plummer or huard. it wont be the kid from atlanta because that would require a trade for a pick and we would be stupid to give up an oppurtunity to pick up some of the top 10 drafties.
I cant tell you how sick it makes me to hear people want to pick up Brady Quinn...Yeah brilliant idea...Another Carr in with a bad hair cut. He hasnt done anything...ever. Tell me one thing he has accomplished????? He has never won a big game...He is the talent around him. You need a guy like Breeze who will make people better...not a QB that depends on the people around him. You IGNIT texan fans havent learned have you?

SECOND, passing up on Adrian peterson would be the second stupidest choice the Texans will ever make if they do indeed decide to pass him up. (if peterson is still their...which i think he will be). Their isnt another back like this kid in the draft...He can do what Earl did for us in the late 70's and eary 80's...We would win. Yes his style of play gets him hurt, but that largely has to do with the fact that the Oklahoma Offensive line isnt very good (and the Texans have gotten better on the O-line...)... Pass on peterson and i swear we will never win a damn thing..WHY you ask... Simple. The choices to get that electric player has to be made...The TEXAN's lack the big play guy. Andre Johnson cant do everything...Eric moulds is older, and is a good solid WR...but we need a Back to finish off the deal... That along with a VET. QB like Huard or Plummer(stop whinning about plummer...the kid will do better here...Kubiak can FIX plummer...he cant fix carr...Carr might as well be a ryan leaf as long as he is here....He needs to sit out and be a back up. He has never had the threat of losing his starting job....THATS WHY HE SUCKS)

THIRD, if peterson isnt avaliable...then you go with a Dwyane jarret or Mcfadden(who is rumored to come out...he is a Redshirt soph.)..if neither are thier then you go to the other backs...A BIG PLAY SKILL POSITION IS NEEDED...not a QB spot...Get that in a later round.

Fourth, you go with a QB in the later rounds...maybe 3rd or fourth...NOT TROY. he isnt worth a pick in the second. Maybe 3rd or 4th. Klob would be a good pic but not who i have in mind...i want someone with real potential...Like a DREW TATE. He is an excellent QB who can sit under a Plummer or Huard and learn and grow. He has the potential to be a Tom brady for the Texans....Their are a couple of Good QBS that Kubiak can grow into a GREAT Qb.
My list is kinda short:

drew tate
kevin kolb

these are really the only two i would even bother picking up. Other then that the QB position MUST be filled with a vetren to lead us to a winning season and build the program up from their...

But i have a feeling the texans will just mess this all up...

We COULD HAVE had vince young....We messed up. The saints pulled a Houston and got Bush so their forgiven...we on the other hand...the front office should shoot them selves.

But thats all over and done with...Time to move on and find away to minimize the Vincanity that WILL occur...Get peterson...its the only way to keep vince off the field along with payton..... Trust me...it would be great.


-Hum

mexican_texan
12-15-2006, 05:30 PM
Hahaha....irony....