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skillz24
12-11-2006, 11:15 PM
carr continues to prove that he is an NFL quarterback and has tremendous passing talent. 17-23 for 140 yards and upping his overall completion percentage to 69.4%, which leads the nfl.

look at the o-line we have. not even peyton manning could post numbers like this even without our line...

i saw give carr another year or two to show us what he has and what he is really worth. if we let him go, i guarentee that when he succeeds with a real line every person on this board will proclaim that they loved carr and he got a bum rap and we should have kept him...

Roughnecks
12-11-2006, 11:17 PM
Oh no you opened that can of worms again what were you thinking but yes I agree.

gtexan02
12-11-2006, 11:22 PM
Even I could complete some passes when I never attempt one farther than 3 yards in front of me.

Lets see something other than the dink and dunk, and then I'll be impressed.

Carr Bombed
12-11-2006, 11:23 PM
carr continues to prove that he is an NFL quarterback and has tremendous passing talent. 17-23 for 140 yards and upping his overall completion percentage to 69.4%, which leads the nfl.

look at the o-line we have. not even peyton manning could post numbers like this even without our line...

i saw give carr another year or two to show us what he has and what he is really worth. if we let him go, i guarentee that when he succeeds with a real line every person on this board will proclaim that they loved carr and he got a bum rap and we should have kept him...


The way Carr is passing..........I could complete 65% of my passes. Stop clicking on NFL.com and pulling up comp %. He throws 5 yard passes that defenses allow him to have. Its like playing pass and catch with my 5 year old nephew in the backyard. He is a #1 ovrl pick thats being paid 7 mil a year to be a difference maker and win games.....Not to be a QB that is content with a dump off of a 4 yard gain when you need ten..........sorry.

valleytexfan
12-11-2006, 11:24 PM
This thread is going to get ugly...fast. :hides:

VY's Crib U Jus payn Rent
12-11-2006, 11:24 PM
Oh no you opened that can of worms again what were you thinking but yes I agree.

More like he opened the 23rd of a 24 pack - are you whack? You call dumping it off everytime without looking down field a good passing game?

Vince had a lot more yardage on just a few more throws and scoreboard to boot.

Yes - you need to dump Carr and start over - he's done except with taking your money for three more years...

Grid
12-11-2006, 11:25 PM
hooray for sarcasm. Your are a gentleman and a scholar sir.

Carr Bombed
12-11-2006, 11:25 PM
This thread is going to get ugly...fast. :hides:

Bubba Sparxxx...........Ugly......ugly.....in here, in here

Second Honeymoon
12-11-2006, 11:27 PM
Highest Completion Percentage in NFL
Worst Won-Loss Percentage in history of NFL starting QBs of 3 or more seasons starting

any questions?

Carr Bombed
12-11-2006, 11:30 PM
not even peyton manning could post numbers like this even without our line...

This is also a line that has been flown around here like a kite on labor day.

I would love to see Peyton Manning behind this line..........honestly

VY's Crib U Jus payn Rent
12-11-2006, 11:33 PM
Highest Completion Percentage in NFL
Worst Won-Loss Percentage in history of NFL starting QBs of 3 or more seasons starting

any questions?

You gave them their answer - they are just too carr-headed to accept the truth!

ib4texans
12-11-2006, 11:36 PM
This is also a line that has been flown around here like a kite on labor day.

I would love to see Peyton Manning behind this line..........honestly



Yeah! I can almost say that's almost as played out as QUOTE=Carr Bomb;533826 The way Carr is passing..........I could complete 65% of my passes. Stop clicking on NFL.com and pulling up comp %. He throws 5 yard passes that defenses allow him to have. Its like playing pass and catch with my 5 year old nephew in the backyard. He is a #1 ovrl pick thats being paid 7 mil a year to be a difference maker and win games.....Not to be a QB that is content with a dump off of a 4 yard gain when you need ten..........sorry.

Napa Auto Parts
12-11-2006, 11:41 PM
69.4% really oh that change my mind right there who cares if he only has one passing touchdown in the last 7 games.:sarcasm: lets re up crr for another 7 years:stirpot:

LoneStarState
12-11-2006, 11:43 PM
69.4% is a cheap stat for 1 to 7 yd dump off passes. Carr no longer has the ability, if he ever had it, to be a franchise qb in the NFL. CFL maybe, but not the NFL.

Napa Auto Parts
12-11-2006, 11:45 PM
69.4% is a cheap stat for 1 to 7 yd dump off passes. Carr no longer has the ability, if he ever had it, to be a franchise qb in the NFL. CFL maybe, but not the NFL.


he was pretty good for fresno state it not easy rolling over the san jose states of the world.:stirpot: :yes:

Carr Bombed
12-11-2006, 11:49 PM
Yeah! I can almost say that's almost as played out as QUOTE=Carr Bomb;533826 The way Carr is passing..........I could complete 65% of my passes. Stop clicking on NFL.com and pulling up comp %. He throws 5 yard passes that defenses allow him to have. Its like playing pass and catch with my 5 year old nephew in the backyard. He is a #1 ovrl pick thats being paid 7 mil a year to be a difference maker and win games.....Not to be a QB that is content with a dump off of a 4 yard gain when you need ten..........sorry.

Nice rebuttal there PAL

how about this..........

Yeah! I can almost say that's almost as played out as QUOTE=Carr Bomb;533826 The way Carr is passing..........I could complete 65% of my passes. Stop clicking on NFL.com and pulling up comp %. He throws 5 yard passes that defenses allow him to have. Its like playing pass and catch with my 5 year old nephew in the backyard. He is a #1 ovrl pick thats being paid 7 mil a year to be a difference maker and win games.....Not to be a QB that is content with a dump off of a 4 yard gain when you need ten..........sorry.

Do you see how I can also gave no constructive response and then just post what you just typed.........again for those that didn't catch it

Yeah! I can almost say that's almost as played out as QUOTE=Carr Bomb;533826 The way Carr is passing..........I could complete 65% of my passes. Stop clicking on NFL.com and pulling up comp %. He throws 5 yard passes that defenses allow him to have. Its like playing pass and catch with my 5 year old nephew in the backyard. He is a #1 ovrl pick thats being paid 7 mil a year to be a difference maker and win games.....Not to be a QB that is content with a dump off of a 4 yard gain when you need ten..........sorry.

nice argument, but you still didn't offer any argument how I was wrong........maybe the truth hurts..........hmm, I felt the same sting for 4 1/2 years

ib4texans
12-12-2006, 12:07 AM
Nice rebuttal there PAL

how about this..........



Do you see how I can also gave no constructive response and then just post what you just typed.........again for those that didn't catch it



nice argument, but you still didn't offer any argument how I was wrong........maybe the truth hurts..........hmm, I felt the same sting for 4 1/2 years


Ok here's a better rebuttal;Once you have signed your pro contract to the 33rd pro NFL expansion team,in your 5th year you throw for 69% avg in week 14, I will gladly give you your trade papers for the team of your choice. How's that work for ya? I simply commented that the whole "I could pass for 69.4%" is about as played out as "not even Peyton Manning could do that behind this line." I for one am sure that I could not get that completion % behind any line period, but I am not a professional athlete and am not claiming to be one.

Titan "Tack" Fan
12-12-2006, 12:17 AM
carr continues to prove that he is an NFL quarterback and has tremendous passing talent. 17-23 for 140 yards and upping his overall completion percentage to 69.4%, which leads the nfl.

look at the o-line we have. not even peyton manning could post numbers like this even without our line...

i saw give carr another year or two to show us what he has and what he is really worth. if we let him go, i guarentee that when he succeeds with a real line every person on this board will proclaim that they loved carr and he got a bum rap and we should have kept him...

Yeah and having the best completion percentage gets you automatic Ws too. Didn't you guys know that!?

Carr Bombed
12-12-2006, 12:18 AM
Ok here's a better rebuttal;Once you have signed your pro contract to the 33rd pro NFL expansion team,in your 5th year you throw for 69% avg in week 14, I will gladly give you your trade papers for the team of your choice. How's that work for ya? I simply commented that the whole "I could pass for 69.4%" is about as played out as "not even Peyton Manning could do that behind this line." I for one am sure that I could not get that completion % behind any line period, but I am not a professional athlete and am not claiming to be one.


First of all we're not the 33rd pro NFL expansion team, because there hasn't been 33 expansion teams.

Second I would gladly throw that high of a comp% especially when opponents are saying stuff like this "He throws 6- or 7-yard passes and completes a lot of them, but nothing to really stretch the defense. Nothing that will really hurt you." Carr entered the game leading the NFL with a 69.1 percent completion rate.

3rd. on the high percentage thing........its again not that hard to complete passes like that when teams allow you too......its called soft yards.....teams give you one thing and take away another.......teams give us that crap.

ib4texans
12-12-2006, 12:30 AM
First of all we're not the 33rd pro NFL expansion team, because there hasn't been 33 expansion teams.

Second I would gladly throw that high of a comp% especially when opponents are saying stuff like this "He throws 6- or 7-yard passes and completes a lot of them, but nothing to really stretch the defense. Nothing that will really hurt you." Carr entered the game leading the NFL with a 69.1 percent completion rate.

3rd. on the high percentage thing........its again not that hard to complete passes like that whe teams allow you too......its called soft yards.....teams give you one thing and take away another.......teams give us that crap.


I know there are 32 current teams, David Carr being drafted to #32 Houston Texans. Soooooo....when you sign your pro contract with #33,see previous post.Second; You did not say you would gladly throw. You said "I could throw for"

3rd Just because he has a good completion % doesn't mean I think he's a great QB. It just so happens that he has beat 31 other starting Qb's in this one respect. Big deal! You think he would'nt want to trade it for say Leading the league in TD passes?

Carr Bombed
12-12-2006, 12:47 AM
I know there are 32 current teams, David Carr being drafted to #32 Houston Texans. Soooooo....when you sign your pro contract with #33,see previous post.Second; You did not say you would gladly throw. You said "I could throw for"

3rd Just because he has a good completion % doesn't mean I think he's a great QB. It just so happens that he has beat 31 other starting Qb's in this one respect. Big deal! You think he would'nt want to trade it for say Leading the league in TD passes?


Okay??

umm. There are 32 teams.......not 33 expansion teams....if there were, there would be like 58 NFL teams in this league.

#2.......Gladly throw?........could throw?....... how about this.......I gladly COULD throw for a similar comp %, what the hell is the difference, other than the fact that Carr's stats aren't anything special and a journeyman could put up simular stats.......go figure.

Titan "Tack" Fan
12-12-2006, 01:02 AM
I think the orignal poster bought one of those "official" $250 NFL Equipment David Carr jerseys back in 2002 and doesn't want to have to stow it away in his closet.

Just cut your losses man!

ib4texans
12-12-2006, 01:07 AM
Okay??

umm. There are 32 teams.......not 33 expansion teams....if there were, there would be like 58 NFL teams in this league.

#2.......Gladly throw?........could throw?....... how about this.......I gladly COULD throw for a similar comp %, what the hell is the difference, other than the fact that Carr's stats aren't anything special and a journeyman could put up simular stats.......go figure.




Carr Bomb,

In order to make a comparison to Carr's ********y career, you would have to be the #1 DRAFT pick for the newest frickin NFL expansion team. Considering that there are 32 in existence, a 33rd team would have to be established. In other words you would not be able to play with an established team.

You have sold me man, I hope to hell you are a walk-on FA in the off season. That way you can wow us next year with your freaking amazing completion % that any old Tom, Dick or Harry can pull off.

I was not trying to get personel with you, I just don't agree with a statement that it is so easy anyone can pull it off. How the Hell do you know? Have you actually played Pro Ball? Unless you have stared down a pass rush at the pro level, I don't see that you can make that boast.

I'm done,your right. Everyone but Peyton Manning could post those crappy #'s behind this line. Peyton would pull off 100% See Ya!

texaslifter
12-12-2006, 01:47 AM
Whether anyone could complete 70% of their passes on this board is irrelevant.


When the defense gives you the 5 yard pass because its 3rd and 10, who cares that you completed the pass. Thats why his stats are deceiving. You can't argue with this. Lets stop changing the scope of the argument to the lame assertions.

ComstockLode
12-12-2006, 02:37 AM
Mark Brunell broke a completion record and so did carr...neither through a ball over about 15 yards.....lol

When it is 3rd and 8 and you throw the ball 6 yards, you will have a high completion percentage all year long. Look up the teams 3rd down conversion rate...

Carr Bombed
12-12-2006, 05:30 AM
Whether anyone could complete 70% of their passes on this board is irrelevant.


When the defense gives you the 5 yard pass because its 3rd and 10, who cares that you completed the pass. Thats why his stats are deceiving. You can't argue with this. Lets stop changing the scope of the argument to the lame assertions.

Amen

NederlandTexan
12-12-2006, 07:12 AM
69% and the lowest yards per completion in the league as well. When you post stats, put 'em all up.

Runner
12-12-2006, 07:37 AM
I heard on the radio that only three quarterbacks have completed 70% or more of their passes in a year: Kenny Anderson, Steve Young, and Joe Montana.

I post this with no additional comment.

TNTitan
12-12-2006, 07:41 AM
I heard on the radio that only three quarterbacks have completed 70% or more of their passes in a year: Kenny Anderson, Steve Young, and Joe Montana.

I post this with no additional comment.

Young and Montana had one thing in common: They both liked Rice :) Rice was'nt a position receiver, so no dinking and dunkin

Kaiser Toro
12-12-2006, 07:42 AM
I heard on the radio that only three quarterbacks have completed 70% or more of their passes in a year: Kenny Anderson, Steve Young, and Joe Montana.

I post this with no additional comment.

That is awesome. Once again the Texans get no upside upon the feats of strength of our QB. Where is the value? If he cannot run an NFL playbook let's get someone else some reps. We know what Carr can and cannot do at this time.

infantrycak
12-12-2006, 07:47 AM
69% and the lowest yards per completion in the league as well. When you post stats, put 'em all up.

Is that really what you want? How about this part of all?--ypc--folks lower in descending order--Leftwich, Frye, Plummer, Johnson, the holy one Vick, Harrington, Walter, the holiest one, and Gradkowski.

BigWig
12-12-2006, 07:54 AM
Three little letters can sum that up:
ABC
Anything But Carr

brewhaus
12-12-2006, 08:10 AM
carr continues to prove that he is an NFL quarterback and has tremendous passing talent. 17-23 for 140 yards and upping his overall completion percentage to 69.4%, which leads the nfl.

look at the o-line we have. not even peyton manning could post numbers like this even without our line...

i saw give carr another year or two to show us what he has and what he is really worth. if we let him go, i guarentee that when he succeeds with a real line every person on this board will proclaim that they loved carr and he got a bum rap and we should have kept him...

You may or may not be interested in this reading.

http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=32191
http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=32352

NederlandTexan
12-12-2006, 08:10 AM
Is that really what you want? How about this part of all?--ypc--folks lower in descending order--Leftwich, Frye, Plummer, Johnson, the holy one Vick, Harrington, Walter, the holiest one, and Gradkowski.

Not really, but ypc is misleading as well. Carr averaged 8.25 Sunday, and he only threw 3 or 4 balls more than 8 yards.:tease:

p.s. Your list is not yards per completion, it's yards per attempt.

Sportsfan
12-12-2006, 08:23 AM
carr continues to prove that he is an NFL quarterback and has tremendous passing talent. 17-23 for 140 yards and upping his overall completion percentage to 69.4%, which leads the nfl.

Are you freaking kidding me!? Do a little more research bud and look at how many of those completions are short-yardage passes.
I'm not denying that Carr is much better than last year but don't let the stats deceive you.

mganz
12-12-2006, 08:55 AM
:deadhorse Mark Brunell broke a completion record and so did carr...neither through a ball over about 15 yards.....lol

When it is 3rd and 8 and you throw the ball 6 yards, you will have a high completion percentage all year long. Look up the teams 3rd down conversion rate...

but is that on the coach for calling the play, the reciever for not running a deep enough route or the qb for throwing it. who's fault is this. I keep hearing that....he's retarded, if we have 9 yards to go he only throws 7....what an *****. I have supported carr and will continue to support him as long as he is our qb. Am I happy with his performance all the time, no. But I do see improvement in him from last year. He goes as the line goes. People say "he doesn't make plays to win the game". How about the shot he gave the DB from Jacksonville for a 1st down, how about him escaping the rush with the high step and have a 15 yard completion to the TE against the Titans. On the other side, how about the 2 bone head illegal passes. When given time he can be a good qb. I think it is about time for him to leave, not because I don't like him, but because no matter what he does here, people will still call him a loser, bum or any other negative term. You can read this and call me what you want, I don't care. I know this doesn't fit this thread but it doesn't fit any so this is good. Can we just stop with the carr suck stuff for a little while? Anyone with an objective opinion can say what they want, but if just want to stir the pot go somewhere else. So lets stop beating a deadhorse :deadhorse

kingh99
12-12-2006, 09:06 AM
carr continues to prove that he is an NFL quarterback and has tremendous passing talent. 17-23 for 140 yards and upping his overall completion percentage to 69.4%, which leads the nfl.

look at the o-line we have. not even peyton manning could post numbers like this even without our line...

i saw give carr another year or two to show us what he has and what he is really worth. if we let him go, i guarentee that when he succeeds with a real line every person on this board will proclaim that they loved carr and he got a bum rap and we should have kept him...

This is great news. You're 22 so I'm sure you're buying up all the season tickets you can get your hands on to see this man's mastery. That's good because that's the only way you'll see him next year. Still happy when you TV is dark on Sunday. This is a results business. How many TD passes in the last 6 weeks? 1?

Hulk75
12-12-2006, 09:36 AM
carr continues to prove that he is an NFL quarterback and has tremendous passing talent. 17-23 for 140 yards and upping his overall completion percentage to 69.4%, which leads the nfl.

look at the o-line we have. not even peyton manning could post numbers like this even without our line...

i saw give carr another year or two to show us what he has and what he is really worth. if we let him go, i guarentee that when he succeeds with a real line every person on this board will proclaim that they loved carr and he got a bum rap and we should have kept him...

Your right but giving up a 40 yard run on 3 and 14 was his fault to, I dont care anymore, whatever happens is going to happen.

A Texan
12-12-2006, 09:51 AM
Since you like stats, here's some more. Sage Rosenfels also has a 69% completion with a higher ypa and higher TD/INT ratio. And he's able to avoid sacks and doesn't fumble as much as Carr. Since completion % can be misleading as it obviously is in this case I don't know why you keep bringing it up.

NATHANHALE
12-12-2006, 11:23 AM
Hard too see that the coach is trying too keep Carr alive behind our beat-up line. He got big plans, for Super Dave. I'll be here for next year. Oh, and so will Carr leading the team.:texan:


...aren't you the same guy that said we'd beat the Titans and that Carr would be great this year and last year and the year before,etc.--hope you're better at gamblin' than predictin'

Texan_Bill
12-12-2006, 11:27 AM
*closes eyes and repeats over and over.... "thread kill"......"thread kill"......"thread kill"......"thread kill"......"thread kill"......"thread kill"......*

ComstockLode
12-12-2006, 11:42 AM
but is that on the coach for calling the play, the reciever for not running a deep enough route or the qb for throwing it. who's fault is this. I keep hearing that....he's retarded, if we have 9 yards to go he only throws 7....what an *****.

You do realize there are more recievers on any given play correct. And usually the underneath wideout will be open, because the defense will allow him to have anything underneath. The problem is, carr always takes it. We have some of the best wideouts in the league, and the coaching is supposed to be so much better. The only common problem I have been seeing is the man taking the snaps.

Brandon420tx
12-12-2006, 11:45 AM
If Carr had time to do a pump to one side then long pass on the otherside of the field, these next few games would be the time to do it.

Honoring Earl 34
12-12-2006, 11:53 AM
If nothing else Carr's playing for a job somewhere . You would think he'd say ... screw it I'm playing my game and I'll show you .

I bet nothing changes and he'll lead to his own demise .

Heywood
12-12-2006, 11:58 AM
carr continues to prove that he is an NFL quarterback and has tremendous passing talent. 17-23 for 140 yards and upping his overall completion percentage to 69.4%, which leads the nfl.

look at the o-line we have. not even peyton manning could post numbers like this even without our line...


you just said peyton manning could not do better than carr.

/ignoreuser

mganz
12-12-2006, 02:22 PM
You do realize there are more recievers on any given play correct. And usually the underneath wideout will be open, because the defense will allow him to have anything underneath. The problem is, carr always takes it. We have some of the best wideouts in the league, and the coaching is supposed to be so much better. The only common problem I have been seeing is the man taking the snaps.

yeah i realize that there is more than one reciever. Houston has alot of single wide out sets that run short crossing routes, hooks and curles. Backs and TEs same thing. Don't get me wrong i'm not defending the poor decisions or poor play of Carr, you just can't put it on him.

TexansLucky13
12-12-2006, 02:43 PM
69.4%, you say?? Go David!!

:hides:

gwallaia
12-12-2006, 02:58 PM
Perhaps we need to bring back Dan Reeves to evaulate our team again.:tearup:

TexansSeminole
12-12-2006, 02:58 PM
Perhaps we need to bring back Dan Reeves to evaulate our team again.:tearup:

LOL

t_flare
12-12-2006, 03:07 PM
all i have to say is.. you can only be as good as the guys in the trenches... they suck u suck.. they good u good

ib4texans
12-12-2006, 04:04 PM
Since you like stats, here's some more. Sage Rosenfels also has a 69% completion with a higher ypa and higher TD/INT ratio. And he's able to avoid sacks and doesn't fumble as much as Carr. Since completion % can be misleading as it obviously is in this case I don't know why you keep bringing it up.


Yeah, the only difference is that he hasn't started 14 games. David Carr had 3 TD passes against the Rams last year,was that his season average? Hell NO!

ib4texans
12-12-2006, 06:01 PM
AFC QB Passer Rating

5 David Carr HOU 2391 376 261 10 7 53 87.5
6 Tom Brady NE 2946 430 260 20 12 54 84.9

Tom Brady has 2X the TD's, 2X the Int's, and 2X the wins. The intangibles Carr doesn't have..........are called the Patriots.

elbison
12-12-2006, 06:22 PM
:bag:

When are we going to line Mathis up and run him over the middle?

Giganto jump ball receivers (and # 80 drops) aren't helping things. Lee Evans comes to mind as a good example of something we need.

I like Moulds and AJ, but as of now we have two Haywood Jeffires (never understood that spelling), no Ernest Givins or Drew Hill.

Captain obvious states that Bush would have been a good pick for slot receiver.

:stirpot:

Kaiser Toro
12-12-2006, 06:29 PM
Captain obvious states that Bush would have been a good pick for slot receiver.

:stirpot:

Does someone have a passing game emergency?

195

srstex
12-12-2006, 06:36 PM
Without a winning season the ney sayers will always bring up that we are not winning, and when the D blows a game the ney sayers will say the O should have put more points on the board, if you know evrything then you are Lovie Smith with the best team in the NFL and I bow to you, or you're just another Houston sports fan tired of loosing and want someone to blame. We have had one of the worst O lines for 5 years, so when you & the coaches fix it, then we will see how the rest of the team looks.

Heath Shuler
12-12-2006, 08:09 PM
Donít forget to mention the grand total of 10 TD passes (27th). Ahead of such Qbs as Gradkowski, Garcia & Wallace, all of which have started a significantly fewer amount of games this year.

kocian1
12-12-2006, 09:14 PM
The way Carr is passing..........I could complete 65% of my passes. Stop clicking on NFL.com and pulling up comp %. He throws 5 yard passes that defenses allow him to have. Its like playing pass and catch with my 5 year old nephew in the backyard. He is a #1 ovrl pick thats being paid 7 mil a year to be a difference maker and win games.....Not to be a QB that is content with a dump off of a 4 yard gain when you need ten..........sorry.

I would say thats pretty impressive. I don't think you sould complete 65% of your passes with a 300lb DE on your back though!