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Texan Ned
12-11-2006, 09:41 PM
First, let me say that I have sent my letter to Mr. McNair following the Redskins game remarking my disaapointment that this team was not even being competitive, as well as not drafting Reggie Bush. He returned my letter with a handwritten note that said, "Pro football is not for the faint of heart. The Texans will get there and you will be glad you were along for the ride when we do."

Second, I know it is a dead horse, but I still believe the right pick would have been Reggie Bush, as he makes everyone around him better. Afterall, the Saints did have a pretty good running back wearing #26 when they drafted Bush.

Now, how many of us really expected this team to win more than four or five games this season? It seems to me that they are right where they were expected to be. And, think of this, the Texans are only about four plays away from being 8-5 instead of 4-9. Where am I getting this thought? See below:

@ Tenn - Obviously a winnable game but for the turnovers. And, even with them all, they were still in it at the end.

@ Giants - Went to the Meadowlands and almost took down a pretty good Giants team that was playing quite well at the time.

v. Buffalo - How do you let that drive at the end of the game happen?

v. Tenn - Another winnable game that got away.

Think about how close they have been after coming of the 2 win season last year. With the parity in the NFL right now, this franchise is on track to make a legitimate run at a Wild Card berth by 2008 or 2009. Keep the faith.

BTW...I need to change my signature as that was from the Dom Capers era.

gtexan02
12-11-2006, 09:45 PM
First, let me say that I have sent my letter to Mr. McNair following the Redskins game remarking my disaapointment that this team was not even being competitive, as well as not drafting Reggie Bush. He returned my letter with a handwritten note that said, "Pro football is not for the faint of heart. The Texans will get there and you will be glad you were along for the ride when we do."

Second, I know it is a dead horse, but I still believe the right pick would have been Reggie Bush, as he makes everyone around him better. Afterall, the Saints did have a pretty good running back wearing #26 when they drafted Bush.

Now, how many of us really expected this team to win more than four or five games this season? It seems to me that they are right where they were expected to be. And, think of this, the Texans are only about four plays away from being 7-6 instead of 4-9. Where am I getting this thought? See below:

@ Tenn - Obviously a winnable game but for the turnovers. And, even with them all, they were still in it at the end.

@ Giants - Went to the Meadowlands and almost took down a pretty good Giants team that was playing quite well at the time.

v. Buffalo - How do you let that drive at the end of the game happen?

v. Tenn - Another winnable game that got away.

Think about how close they have been after coming of the 2 win season last year. With the parity in the NFL right now, this franchise is on track to make a legitimate run at a Wild Card berth by 2008 or 2009. Keep the faith.

BTW...I need to change my signature as that was from the Dom Capers era.

Only a Texans fan could say this with a straight face. Do you realize how depressing that sounds? "Keep the faith guys, only 3 more years until we have a chance at being a wild card team" Only in Houston. It is EMBARASSING to me that a franchise that was started in 2002 is OK with waiting 7 years before it has a chance to be a wild card team.

Carr Bombed
12-11-2006, 09:50 PM
Only a Texans fan could say this with a straight face. Do you realize how depressing that sounds? "Keep the faith guys, only 3 more years until we have a chance at being a wild card team" Only in Houston. It is EMBARASSING to me that a franchise that was started in 2002 is OK with waiting 7 years before it has a chance to be a wild card team.

Maybe this will make you feel a little better........

Defense..........we have a good young one building. We need to keep on investing in it, especially if were going to look for a replacement at QB. Other than a LT or RB, a great defense will help out a young QB like no other.

Shore up a couple of holes and the Texans can have the best defense in the South.......I really believe that.

travfrancis
12-11-2006, 09:53 PM
I just wish everyone had pushed for the same player, if it weren't for all the Bush hype fans wouldn't have been divided between 2 players and there could have been more pressure on the front office to make the right pick.

BTW, that isn't a slight at Reggie Bush, I think he's already a fantastic weapon for any offense.

Also want to state that ultimately it's all on the front office to make the decision, and obviously they failed us.

Texan Ned
12-11-2006, 09:54 PM
Only a Texans fan could say this with a straight face. Do you realize how depressing that sounds? "Keep the faith guys, only 3 more years until we have a chance at being a wild card team" Only in Houston. It is EMBARASSING to me that a franchise that was started in 2002 is OK with waiting 7 years before it has a chance to be a wild card team.

How much more depressing would it be to be a Raider fan, or Lions fan, or Cardinals fan, or Tampa fan, or Washington fan, or Cleveland fan??? All of these have records equal to or worse than the Texans, and they have all been in the league much longer. Also, when was the last time the Lions won a playoff game? Infact, I heard this today on ESPN radio, since Matt Millen took over the Lions, they are 23-70. Now, that is depressing. Be glad the Texans aren't in that boat.

You are probably one of those people who were screaming for RC Slocum to be fired even though he never had a losing season and had beat the number 1 team in the nation TWICE, or one of those who thinks the Longhorns should be awarded a BCS bid just because they are the Longhorns, or that the Yankees should win the pennant just because they are the Yankees. Get real in your expectations.

Carr Bombed
12-11-2006, 09:58 PM
I just wish everyone had pushed for the same player, if it weren't for all the Bush hype fans wouldn't have been divided between 2 players and there could have been more pressure on the front office to make the right pick.

BTW, that isn't a slight at Reggie Bush, I think he's already a fantastic weapon for any offense.

Also want to state that ultimately it's all on the front office to make the decision, and obviously they failed us.

It wouldn't of made a difference at all. Fans don't pressure teams into picks. The Texans went with what they thought was the best pick for the team. This isn't over, DEs take a little time to develop and this can still turn into a fantastic pick, especially if we develop a D like the Ravens or Bears.......Trust me NOBODY will be complaing then.........NOBODY. We won't know the answer for another couple of years.

gtexan02
12-11-2006, 10:01 PM
How much more depressing would it be to be a Raider fan, or Lions fan, or Cardinals fan, or Tampa fan, or Washington fan, or Cleveland fan??? All of these have records equal to or worse than the Texans, and they have all been in the league much longer. Also, when was the last time the Lions won a playoff game? Infact, I heard this today on ESPN radio, since Matt Millen took over the Lions, they are 23-70. Now, that is depressings.

You are probably one of those people who were screaming for RC Slocum to be fired even though he never had a losing season and had beat the number 1 team in the nation TWICE, or one of those who thinks the Longhorns should be awarded a BCS bid just because they are the Longhorns, or that the Yankees should win the pennant just because they are the Yankees. Get real in your expectations.

What are you talking about? I'm not sure how any of that relates, except for the mild link between unrealistic expectations, but even then... How does college football, the longhorns, or baseball even possibly relate....

Anyway, what I was saying, is
A) Waiting 7 years to be COMPETITIVE for a wild card is a joke no matter how you look at it.
B) Saying we should be happy because we almost won 4 games we lost is silly

Arguing that there are other worse teams doesn't mean anything. So? who Cares if the Lions are worse? Just because Detroit can't put together a competent team doens't make me feel any better. Thats like saying its ok that I got a D on this test, because Johnny got an F. It doesn't matter what anyone else is doing.

Raiders
Washington
Tampa
These teams ebb and flow with the best of them. Both Wash and TB had 10+ wins last year. Oakland was in the superbowl a few years before that.

Lions
Cardinals
Browns
These teams are legimitate busts as well.

So lets see, at BEST, the Texans are the 4th worst franchise in the NFL. How is that hope inspiring?

gtexan02
12-11-2006, 10:02 PM
It wouldn't of made a difference at all. Fans don't pressure teams into picks. The Texans went with what they thought was the best pick for the team. This isn't over, DEs take a little time to develop and this can still turn into a fantastic pick, especially if we develop a D like the Ravens or Bears.......Trust me NOBODY will be complaing then.........NOBODY. We won't know the answer for another couple of years.

Why do you think DEs take so much time to develop? Peppers came out with 12 sacks in 12 games his rookie year. And added 5 FFs and an INT. I can list a bunch more for you if you want, but saying DEs take a long time to develop like its some hardened rule of football just isn't correct.

BornOrange
12-11-2006, 10:03 PM
Drew Brees has made the difference in the Saints.

It is remarkable what a good QB can do for a team.

Carr Bombed
12-11-2006, 10:04 PM
Our time will come...........and it will be great.

I have to say that over and over after every game on Sunday.......Then I down a bottle of Jack







Oh the life of a Texans fan..........GGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! Team!!!!!!!!!!!

gtexan02
12-11-2006, 10:05 PM
Dres Brees has made the difference with the Chargers AND the Saints.

He took the laughing stock of the NFL to the playoffs 2 years ago, and is now doing it with NO. He's amazing.

Carr Bombed
12-11-2006, 10:07 PM
Dres Brees has made the difference with the Chargers AND the Saints.

He took the laughing stock of the NFL to the playoffs 2 years ago, and is now doing it with NO. He's amazing.

The Chargers have a way better supporting cast then we do.........LT is AMAZING.

He is certainly the difference maker in NO though

Texan Ned
12-11-2006, 10:07 PM
The whole point is that YOU have unrealistic expectations for a team that was 2-14 last year, just like Longhorn fans and Yankee fans do every year. For them, anything less than a championship is not acceptable. The Saints are an anomoly with their improvement over last year, and many thought they were really better last year than what they showed.

Would many of us prefer to see these guys win week in and week out? Absolutely. But you made my point for me in that both Washington and Tampa had 10+ wins last year, and they are down this year. Who do you think is more disappointed...fans of those teams, or of a team that has shown (some) improvement over last year?

TEXANRED
12-11-2006, 10:09 PM
How much more depressing would it be to be a Raider fan, or Lions fan, or Cardinals fan, or Tampa fan, or Washington fan, or Cleveland fan??? All of these have records equal to or worse than the Texans


since Matt Millen took over the Lions, they are 23-70. Now, that is depressing. Be glad the Texans aren't in that boat.



Raiders, Tampa, Washington all have championship trophies to keep them warm on cold lonely nights. Cleveland has a since of tradition, pride and a long history. The Lions may be 23-70 but the Texans are 22-58 and have never had a winning record. Does kinda feel like being a Cardinal fan, doesn't it?

gtexan02
12-11-2006, 10:09 PM
Improvement from what? 2-14? I would hope so, but by your logic, we almost won quite a few games last year as well.

Have we really improved all that much though? i mean last week we beat the worst team in football but had only -5 yards total passing yards. Is that an improvement?

Our defense is getting better, but it still gave up 26 points to the Titans.

Carr Bombed
12-11-2006, 10:10 PM
The whole point is that YOU have unrealistic expectations for a team that was 2-14 last year, just like Longhorn fans and Yankee fans do every year. For them, anything less than a championship is not acceptable. The Saints are an anomoly with their improvement over last year, and many thought they were really better last year than what they showed.

Would many of us prefer to see these guys win week in and week out? Absolutely. But you made my point for me in that both Washington and Tampa had 10+ wins last year, and they are down this year. Who do you think is more disappointed...fans of those teams, or of a team that has shown (some) improvement over last year?

I really wish you wouldn't put us in the same sentence as Yankee fans.......ouch. I don't expect them to win every year.........McCoy surprised the hell out of me this year though.........anyway were not all pompous aholes.

BornOrange
12-11-2006, 10:12 PM
My point is that the Texans are a better team than the Titans and if they had drafted and played Vince Young that it would be the Texans who would have swept the series this year and would be in position to win 8 games this season.

Texan Ned
12-11-2006, 10:13 PM
I really wish you wouldn't put us in the same sentence as Yankee fans.......ouch. I don't expect them to win every year.........McCoy surprised the hell out of me this year though.........anyway were not all pompous aholes.

OK...How about Alabama fans (of which I am an alum and my uncle (Ray Perkins) used to be the head coach)...WE are just as bad as any other group of fans in our unrealistic expectations.

nflnutswife
12-11-2006, 10:13 PM
"All good things come in time" We have a football team, rejoice and be glad with it!

( No, I'm not on the egg nog):)

Carr Bombed
12-11-2006, 10:14 PM
Our defense is getting better, but it still gave up 26 points to the Titans.

Our defense has holes in the Sec and their offense aint doing them any favors. People talk about all the games we have lost late.........that is a sign of a D worn down late in games.

Front 7 wise we are pretty good, fill the holes in the Sec....get a RB that will help sustain drives and we win atleast 4 more games.

gtexan02
12-11-2006, 10:14 PM
The whole point is that YOU have unrealistic expectations for a team that was 2-14 last year, just like Longhorn fans and Yankee fans do every year. For them, anything less than a championship is not acceptable. The Saints are an anomoly with their improvement over last year, and many thought they were really better last year than what they showed.

Would many of us prefer to see these guys win week in and week out? Absolutely. But you made my point for me in that both Washington and Tampa had 10+ wins last year, and they are down this year. Who do you think is more disappointed...fans of those teams, or of a team that has shown (some) improvement over last year?

Its amazing how me expecting my hometown football team to be competitive enough to sustain a 0.500 record is equated to the Yankees expecting a championship. Again, I say, only in Houston are our standards for sports sos low!

VY's Crib U Jus payn Rent
12-11-2006, 10:15 PM
And "Gold Medallion Replicas" from the Franklin Mint are really going to be worth something one day - son, close don't get you shat in life. This franchise is in reverse and going backwards fast.

Texan Ned
12-11-2006, 10:23 PM
Its amazing how me expecting my hometown football team to be competitive enough to sustain a 0.500 record is equated to the Yankees expecting a championship. Again, I say, only in Houston are our standards for sports sos low!

Going from 2 wins to .500 is somewhat unreasonable. rarely does it happen, and not sure why you would expect that from the Texans. Again, going into the season, I don't think many people expected this team to win more than 4-5 games. Tell me I'm wrong about that.

Napa Auto Parts
12-11-2006, 10:28 PM
we are not even close to thinking we are close to havign a decent football team only a homer can look at the brightside of being on of the laughing stock of the nfl. have any of you notice how many people are clowning on us "what were the texans thinking" or how about the "what the Hell were the texans thinking" i for one find Joy in loosing i have always been right about my assessment on david carr he sucks and he needs to keep playing like he knows how too so we can finally rid the city of a waste of a qb that he has become. how quickly we find out the NFL is way different that playing in the WAC wish we all know stand for weak ass conference. bottom line we still need help in the defense we need a stud rb broncos system my butt we aren't the broncos after we get those positions fixed we will be may be decent i cant really clown on our O-line since compared to other years we are looking good and with winston and hopefully spencer coming back next year our tackles will be set i hope:yes:

Napa Auto Parts
12-11-2006, 10:54 PM
Why do you think DEs take so much time to develop? Peppers came out with 12 sacks in 12 games his rookie year. And added 5 FFs and an INT. I can list a bunch more for you if you want, but saying DEs take a long time to develop like its some hardened rule of football just isn't correct.

why bring peppers in to this thats another superstar we could of had you break my heart.

Blu
12-11-2006, 11:04 PM
"All good things come in time" We have a football team, rejoice and be glad with it!

( No, I'm not on the egg nog):)

Good way of looking at it...but after 50 more years this might get old.
:gun:

Carr Bombed
12-11-2006, 11:09 PM
Why do you think DEs take so much time to develop? Peppers came out with 12 sacks in 12 games his rookie year. And added 5 FFs and an INT. I can list a bunch more for you if you want, but saying DEs take a long time to develop like its some hardened rule of football just isn't correct.

A 21 year old DE on a hobbled foot is going to put up Peppers #s........sorry.

I know your on a pessimistic rant tonight but com'on

Bruce Smith had 6.5 (who he's compared to)

Jason Taylor had 5

Micheal Strahan had 1

and so on and so on

I know you can pull other names that had great rookie years, but theirs more that had avg. years, especially if they were injured.....which Mario has been. Before the injury though he had a sack in 3 straight games....... go figure.............but continue to pile on.

Mario plays behind a secondary that outside of Dunta flat out sucks, this system doesn't have coverage sacks. Mario could still turn out to be a fantastic pick. People need to calm the hell down, this isn't a sprint its a marathon and the true questions to this draft are far from being answered.

NATHANHALE
12-11-2006, 11:44 PM
Going from 2 wins to .500 is somewhat unreasonable. rarely does it happen, and not sure why you would expect that from the Texans. Again, going into the season, I don't think many people expected this team to win more than 4-5 games. Tell me I'm wrong about that.

JMO, but your 'expectation' level for the Texans is too low, as you can justify losing every year. To some people, the Texans will always be a 'new' franchise team with a built in excuse for losing.

You mention other 'current' losing teams to justify the Texans record, yet you fail to acknowledge all these teams--have not only had winning/playoff seasons--but some have been to the SB and won. And, an even bigger 'slight/omission' by you is the fact the Texans are the only 'modern era' team that did not win by its 4th year.

Unfortunately, you are not a lone, as Houston has a lot of fans that accept/defend losing now and will continue to do so...but that does not give you the 'right' to 'berate/belittle/put down' those fans that have a 'higher' level of expectation for the team.

Every year there is a different list of 'winning' teams' and 'losing teams.' This means that your 'comparison' list is never going to be the 'same' teams, but you choose to 'equate' with the losers...some on this board do not. We expect to win sooner than later and-honestly- I don't have a clue when you or the other posterslike you 'really' ever expect to win...

Double Barrel
12-11-2006, 11:48 PM
"Pro football is not for the faint of heart."

No, Bob...no it's not. :howdy:

Only a Texans fan could say this with a straight face. Do you realize how depressing that sounds? "Keep the faith guys, only 3 more years until we have a chance at being a wild card team" Only in Houston. It is EMBARASSING to me that a franchise that was started in 2002 is OK with waiting 7 years before it has a chance to be a wild card team.

What you both say is true....two sides to the same coin. I completely understand your frustration, anger, depression, and overall discontent as a Texans fan. I've felt all these emotions as a football fan before, but never at the same time. We all have the right to feel this way, too. It is justified after 5 seasons of losing futility bringing us to the point of being the butt of jokes to the nation. Yesterday is, without a doubt, the lowest point in Houston Texans history, and it stings because it's fresh. (Although it's still not in my top 5 lowest sports points as a Houston hometeam fan...think of all the collective Oilers, Astros, & basketball hardships).

However, that being said and fully taken into account, we cannot deny that we do have a lot to look forward to and hope for. Kubiak is a first year head coach. We all pretty much agree that he's a bright man with a winning history, and he's hungry to prove his worthiness in the NFL. A lot of coaches struggle in their first years, especially when you consider that they're taking over losing teams to begin with.

And we have a lot of great talent at key positions. We just need smart off-season moves to put us in a position to be competitive week in/week out next year. We had a great draft in 2006, so we can certainly be hopeful that Kubiak can do it again. And now he's got a GM he can work with and the opportunity to be ready for the full off-season this time around.

I'm just saying keep things in perspective. It's o.k. to be upset with our situation, but I don't think we should lose hope and assume we'll be this way for very long, either. Teams can turn things around in a year with the modern NFL, and there's no reason to believe that we can't do the same.

Again, going into the season, I don't think many people expected this team to win more than 4-5 games.

This is true, and something we shouldn't lose sight of. It sucks to be a losing team, but we already knew it going into this season.

We've got 15 players on IR, the most of all 32 teams. We cut a lot of our players from last year, and have started most of our rookies at some point or another. We were never going to be a good team, and we knew it going in.

It's frustrating to lose these close games, and even more so when it's under yesterday's circumstances. But we've still been competitive and had chances to win, and I do believe that an infusion of better talent (and jettison some we currently have) will make a difference in 2007. I have to think that way, or what's the point?

Meloy
12-12-2006, 10:03 AM
What if in 2007,

Spencer returns to form, solidifies left tackle& has Pitts-like no lost games
Winston continues to improve & wins starter over departed Wiegert
Weary wins right guard allowing McKinney to be swing

Peterson (ok we can argue but who thought we'd go Mario?), Dayne, Lundy combine for 1600 yds + 800 receiving

Mario gets 6 sacks & we pick up a corner in 2nd round to backup DR.
We pick up Kolb QB in 3rd & L.O.T. in 4th for depth

In5th we get DT & just maybe we don't lose 3 DTs to injury

In free agency, we get Nate Clements (we do have the money) & a back up center to replace Hodgdon(too small) & Flannagan in 2008.

And Carr improves with all the above. We then go 8-8 and have Kolb to start in 2008 if Carr doesn't have an above average 2007.

What if?

Texan Ned
12-12-2006, 03:47 PM
JMO, but your 'expectation' level for the Texans is too low, as you can justify losing every year. To some people, the Texans will always be a 'new' franchise team with a built in excuse for losing.

You mention other 'current' losing teams to justify the Texans record, yet you fail to acknowledge all these teams--have not only had winning/playoff seasons--but some have been to the SB and won. And, an even bigger 'slight/omission' by you is the fact the Texans are the only 'modern era' team that did not win by its 4th year.

Unfortunately, you are not a lone, as Houston has a lot of fans that accept/defend losing now and will continue to do so...but that does not give you the 'right' to 'berate/belittle/put down' those fans that have a 'higher' level of expectation for the team.

Every year there is a different list of 'winning' teams' and 'losing teams.' This means that your 'comparison' list is never going to be the 'same' teams, but you choose to 'equate' with the losers...some on this board do not. We expect to win sooner than later and-honestly- I don't have a clue when you or the other posterslike you 'really' ever expect to win...

Sorry, but my expectation level is realistic. Yours is myopic and unreasonable. And, my point before in reference to other teams is:

Who is prob more disappointed, Redskins/Bucs fans or Texans fans? I say 'Skins/Bucs, because, again I don;t think many people with good sense expected this team to win more than 4-5 games.

Also, who has suffered more frustration, Lions/Cards fans or Texans fans? Due to the length of existence it would have to be Lions/Cards fans.

The Texans will get there and will be challenging for a playoff spot by 2008 or 2009. Me, as an inaugural PSL holder, I will be pleased when that time comes, but until then, the realistic side of me looks at the glass half full.

PS...if you really "don't have a clue when you or the other posterslike you 'really' ever expect to win" then you didn't read the post very carefully for I clearly said 2008 or 2009 to contend for a playof berth.

Titan "Tack" Fan
12-12-2006, 03:50 PM
How do you think us Titans fans feel about "think about where we could be" ?????

We lost two games by one point (to playoff bound Colts and Ravens) and Kerry Collins F'd our season up by losing to the Dolphins and Jets.

Any one of those games goes the other way, we are in the playoff hunt without a doubt.

Texan Ned
12-12-2006, 03:54 PM
How do you think us Titans fans feel about "think about where we could be" ?????

We lost two games by one point (to playoff bound Colts and Ravens) and Kerry Collins F'd our season up by losing to the Dolphins and Jets.

Any one of those games goes the other way, we are in the playoff hunt without a doubt.

You guys have a great coach in Fisher. Too bad for you guys that Vince didn't get to start earlier in the season. Funny how Adams had Fisher on the hot seat and now he's got a shot at coach of the year. I think Floyd Reese is prob gone after this year, as, if you are going to keep one or the other, Fisher makes more sense. But then again you are talking about Butt Adams making the decision.

One of the best lines ever, "Adams should have moved the Oilers to Orlando, as he is so Mickey Mouse."

Titan "Tack" Fan
12-12-2006, 03:57 PM
You guys have a great coach in Fisher. Too bad for you guys that Vince didn't get to start earlier in the season. Funny how Adams had Fisher on the hot seat and now he's got a shot at coach of the year. I think Floyd Reese is prob gone after this year, as, if you are going to keep one or the other, Fisher makes more sense. But then again you are talking about Butt Adams making the decision.

One of the best lines ever, "Adams should have moved the Oilers to Orlando, as he is so Mickey Mouse."

You guys may hate Adams but he's the one who made the Vince Young pick and told the coaches to start Vince when he did. Give him credit for that.

Texan Ned
12-12-2006, 03:58 PM
You guys may hate Adams but he's the one who made the Vince Young pick and told the coaches to start Vince when he did. Give him credit for that.

Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then.

HOU-TEX
12-12-2006, 03:58 PM
You guys may hate Adams but he's the one who made the Vince Young pick and told the coaches to start Vince when he did. Give him credit for that.

The only reason he chose vy was to pizz off Houston.:)

Texan_Bill
12-12-2006, 04:01 PM
How do you think us Titans fans feel about "think about where we could be" ?????

We lost two games by one point (to playoff bound Colts and Ravens) and Kerry Collins F'd our season up by losing to the Dolphins and Jets.

Any one of those games goes the other way, we are in the playoff hunt without a doubt.

LOL.... Your situation is so comparable... :hides:

PS... You forgot the showing earlier in the year at Jacksonville... (was it 37-7?) :tease:

PPS... I for one don't think about 'you' Titan fans and "where you could be"..
:stirpot:

Mr. White
12-12-2006, 04:18 PM
Don't look now, but the Titans are mathematically in the hunt for the wild card.

Texan_Bill
12-12-2006, 04:23 PM
Don't look now, but the Titans are mathematically in the hunt for the wild card.

Let's not get too excited. Afterall, Bud still owns the team which begs you to remember 2 things:

a) Frank Reich and the Bills 41-38 OT
b) 1 yard short against the rams.

Titan "Tack" Fan
12-12-2006, 04:24 PM
Let's not get too excited. Afterall, Bud still owns the team which begs you to remember 2 things:

a) Frank Reich and the Bills 41-38 OT
b) 1 yard short against the rams.

I'm trying to find the stats for the Texans playoff history and their record against the Colts. Instead of Googling it, would you just tell me.

Thanks!

HOU-TEX
12-12-2006, 04:26 PM
I'm trying to find the stats for the Texans playoff history and their record against the Colts. Instead of Googling it, would you just tell me.

Thanks!

Try Googling tennessee titans message boards. I bet you'll find someone to toot your own horn with. lol:)

TexansSeminole
12-12-2006, 04:28 PM
I'm trying to find the stats for the Texans playoff history and their record against the Colts. Instead of Googling it, would you just tell me.

Thanks!

Don't start that Tack.

Bamaborn-Texasbred
12-12-2006, 04:30 PM
You guys may hate Adams but he's the one who made the Vince Young pick and told the coaches to start Vince when he did. Give him credit for that.

I will. I'll also give him credit for taking my beloved Oilers to the hills of Tennessee after the city wouldn't bow to his outrageous demands.

He looked like a kid taking his ball home.

StarStruck
12-12-2006, 04:43 PM
The only reason he chose vy was to pizz off Houston.:)


I've got to rethink my position about Bud because apparently he has done something good in life to deserve a reward. He is probably still in awe at how Vince Young landed in his lap. No wheeling, dealing, strong arm, just a gift.

Bamaborn-Texasbred
12-12-2006, 04:46 PM
I've got to rethink my position about Bud because apparently he has done something good in life to deserve a reward. He is probably still in awe at how Vince Young landed in his lap. No wheeling, dealing, strong arm, just a gift.

The best thing about when the Astros moved to Minute Park was I didn't have to look at those seats that Bud had the Houston Sports Authority install over that famed scoreboard anymore.

whotex8
12-12-2006, 04:52 PM
I've been ready for baseball since November.:astros:

Meloy
12-12-2006, 04:56 PM
Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then.
Just to stir it up, what about signing Warren Moon to the first Million dollar contract in NFL? How about signing Sid Blanks in the early days of the AFL? What about trading up to sign Earl Campbell? Ok, I'll stop now.:tease:

tsip
12-12-2006, 05:47 PM
"PS...if you really "don't have a clue when you or the other posterslike you 'really' ever expect to win" then you didn't read the post very carefully for I clearly said 2008 or 2009 to contend for a playoff berth."

8 yrs to get a winning team is a long time (twice as long as everyone else) and will mean this franchise has made a lot of mistakes. I can deal with mistakes--we all make them--but the key is learning from the mistake and going on...this team has not done that. We make the same mistakes over and over again, thinking we can make that mistake become something it is not.

As other posters have mentioned, you can not run a business the way the Texans have been run--for one thing, few businesses have their income up front (or at least a big chunk of it). However, though many posters still believe the Texans are a 'franchise' team, the empty stadium seats are saying something else. For McNair, his pocket book has been OK so far but...

"Bottom Line" Bud ignored the fans at times but made changes when his 'wallet' was approaching empty. What will McNair do?

IMO, a lot of fans are 'sugar coating' this season. Foundation for the future to build on? Where is it? Our offense is a joke--we can't run, we can't throw down the field and-most important-we still can't score points. Our defense is 'hit and miss' with a lot of question marks in the secondary. What part of a 'winning' foundation have we even 'put' dirt on....

Win in our 7th or 8th yr? When do we start? Quotes from Kubiak say their are 'personal' issues that must be solved internally before we can even think about using the 'shot gun' and, forget stretching the field because we just--as a team--can not do it at this time...WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

"We can't do this and we can't do that and here is a list of all the excuses for our current situation and-no-we can't even begin to think about winning at this time"

I was so proud when I got my 4 PSL tickets/lower boxes/50 yd line but-stupid me-I never envisioned a team built on 'excuses' and 'can't.' I'll shut up now and slowly blend into the wood work....:twocents:

Texan Ned
12-12-2006, 08:43 PM
Just to stir it up, what about signing Warren Moon to the first Million dollar contract in NFL? How about signing Sid Blanks in the early days of the AFL? What about trading up to sign Earl Campbell? Ok, I'll stop now.:tease:

Three acorns in 30 years...pretty good. He's right on target for the next cycle of acorn finding.

Texan Ned
12-12-2006, 08:47 PM
"PS...if you really "don't have a clue when you or the other posterslike you 'really' ever expect to win" then you didn't read the post very carefully for I clearly said 2008 or 2009 to contend for a playoff berth."

8 yrs to get a winning team is a long time (twice as long as everyone else) and will mean this franchise has made a lot of mistakes. I can deal with mistakes--we all make them--but the key is learning from the mistake and going on...this team has not done that. We make the same mistakes over and over again, thinking we can make that mistake become something it is not.

As other posters have mentioned, you can not run a business the way the Texans have been run--for one thing, few businesses have their income up front (or at least a big chunk of it). However, though many posters still believe the Texans are a 'franchise' team, the empty stadium seats are saying something else. For McNair, his pocket book has been OK so far but...

"Bottom Line" Bud ignored the fans at times but made changes when his 'wallet' was approaching empty. What will McNair do?

IMO, a lot of fans are 'sugar coating' this season. Foundation for the future to build on? Where is it? Our offense is a joke--we can't run, we can't throw down the field and-most important-we still can't score points. Our defense is 'hit and miss' with a lot of question marks in the secondary. What part of a 'winning' foundation have we even 'put' dirt on....

Win in our 7th or 8th yr? When do we start? Quotes from Kubiak say their are 'personal' issues that must be solved internally before we can even think about using the 'shot gun' and, forget stretching the field because we just--as a team--can not do it at this time...WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

"We can't do this and we can't do that and here is a list of all the excuses for our current situation and-no-we can't even begin to think about winning at this time"

I was so proud when I got my 4 PSL tickets/lower boxes/50 yd line but-stupid me-I never envisioned a team built on 'excuses' and 'can't.' I'll shut up now and slowly blend into the wood work....:twocents:

Empty seats don't mean much right now, as all seats are sold whether someone is in them or not. Until PSL holders start cancelling PSL's empty seats don;t mean a thing. We will see if these holders pull back their money in 2007. My guess is that they won't.

Wolf
12-12-2006, 08:48 PM
You guys may hate Adams but he's the one who made the Vince Young pick and told the coaches to start Vince when he did. Give him credit for that.

I kinda thought that was because Kerry Collins had a big dougnut hole for wins and wasn't playing well.

tsip
12-12-2006, 09:33 PM
"Empty seats don't mean much right now, as all seats are sold whether someone is in them or not. Until PSL holders start cancelling PSL's empty seats don;t mean a thing. We will see if these holders pull back their money in 2007. My guess is that they won't"

Empty seats cost money because of lost concessions/souvenirs/ad money,etc. The ticket gets folks in to spend so much money on everything else, but they have to show up...

Fans won't show unless there is a good product on the field, as the 'franchise tag' excitement has worn out its welcome. Too, contrary to what many have said on this board, thousands of ticket holders have not seen improvement in the team this year or at least what they expected...

I'm not sure what effect empty seats (in the thousands) have on tv/radio ad money that can be charged. Obviously, if folks aren't watching/listening to the game, advertisers are not going to pay as much...

...so, yes, empty seats have a 'big' impact and the quickest way to fill them is win...JMO, but this is a 'big' reason why Kubiak better win sooner than later...

Texan Ned
12-24-2006, 04:48 PM
Well, we finally got a win over a quality team. Now think again about how close we were against NYG, Titans (2x), and Buff. With those games in mind, we should be excited about 2007. The def played well, even the DB's. This team is close, and with the right moves during the off season, 2007 should be a lot of fun. BTW...all those "boycott the colts game people" missed a great one. Shame on you quitters.

threetoedpete
12-24-2006, 05:16 PM
I just wish everyone had pushed for the same player, if it weren't for all the Bush hype fans wouldn't have been divided between 2 players and there could have been more pressure on the front office to make the right pick.

BTW, that isn't a slight at Reggie Bush, I think he's already a fantastic weapon for any offense.

Also want to state that ultimately it's all on the front office to make the decision, and obviously they failed us.

Keep hope Alive. Mind boggeling.

HJam72
12-24-2006, 05:25 PM
Well, we finally got a win over a quality team. Now think again about how close we were against NYG, Titans (2x), and Buff. With those games in mind, we should be excited about 2007. The def played well, even the DB's. This team is close, and with the right moves during the off season, 2007 should be a lot of fun. BTW...all those "boycott the colts game people" missed a great one. Shame on you quitters.

As usual, DRob and Robinson played well, but the other two didn't. CC is not a FS and can't handle it. There's two TDs right there in this one game alone. Faggins is a nickel back and he apparently played his butt off (again), but is not a starter. They can't help it. CC is a SS, not a FS, and Faggins is a really good nickel back, not a starter because he's just not fast enough. WE NEED DBs. I can't judge their effort, but I can judge the results.

Insideop
12-24-2006, 05:39 PM
Well, we finally got a win over a quality team. Now think again about how close we were against NYG, Titans (2x), and Buff. With those games in mind, we should be excited about 2007. The def played well, even the DB's. This team is close, and with the right moves during the off season, 2007 should be a lot of fun. BTW...all those "boycott the colts game people" missed a great one. Shame on you quitters.


It's probably why the Texans won. All the "negative fans" weren't there to boo Carr and the team! LOL! :shades:

edo783
12-24-2006, 10:50 PM
Didn't seem to be to many empty seats. 610 said it was nearly full and there seemed to be a pretty loud crowd. Good job by those that went!

Kaiser Toro
12-24-2006, 10:58 PM
I would say it was 75% full. But the crowd was in to it. We certainly fed off the effort the team was giving us. However, there may have been an inordinate amount of new fans because we had a lot of cheering going on when we had the ball.

skillz24
12-25-2006, 12:52 AM
First, let me say that I have sent my letter to Mr. McNair following the Redskins game remarking my disaapointment that this team was not even being competitive, as well as not drafting Reggie Bush. He returned my letter with a handwritten note that said, "Pro football is not for the faint of heart. The Texans will get there and you will be glad you were along for the ride when we do."

Second, I know it is a dead horse, but I still believe the right pick would have been Reggie Bush, as he makes everyone around him better. Afterall, the Saints did have a pretty good running back wearing #26 when they drafted Bush.

Now, how many of us really expected this team to win more than four or five games this season? It seems to me that they are right where they were expected to be. And, think of this, the Texans are only about four plays away from being 8-5 instead of 4-9. Where am I getting this thought? See below:

@ Tenn - Obviously a winnable game but for the turnovers. And, even with them all, they were still in it at the end.

@ Giants - Went to the Meadowlands and almost took down a pretty good Giants team that was playing quite well at the time.

v. Buffalo - How do you let that drive at the end of the game happen?

v. Tenn - Another winnable game that got away.

Think about how close they have been after coming of the 2 win season last year. With the parity in the NFL right now, this franchise is on track to make a legitimate run at a Wild Card berth by 2008 or 2009. Keep the faith.

BTW...I need to change my signature as that was from the Dom Capers era.

okay number one, reggie bush is not a running back...he is a wide reciever that comes out of the back field. this kid was supposed to be the micheal jordan of football, he is not nor will he ever be. he will have numbers every year but he can't be placed into a role as a RB or WR solely. as a rookie he has about 500 yds rushing, 700 yds recieving, and 250 yds on returns and only 7 TDs. he has 150 touchs running the ball for a 3.2 avg, 90 receptions for an 8 yrd avg, and 25 returns for an 8 yrd avg. he has 1450 yards on 275 touchs for a 5 yrd avg overall not jordan like numbers. and all of you will say he is only a rookie and he will get more chances later on and blah blah blah. for what he is paid he sucks. remember he has as almost as many receptions as andre johnson and 300 hundred less yards and less touchdowns...hmm doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

number two, vince is a good quarterback who will will his team to win...i will give him that he has earned it. you also have to realize that tennessee's team also has be groomed over the years and has more depth than alot of teams do. their defense is good, the three good RBs and a better than average recieving core. vince will do anything to win but his arm strength sucks his accuracy is poor, but his legs are studs themselves the reason we passed on VY is because of Micheal Vick. Both are gonna be stars and both can lead thier teams into the playoffs, but they can't get passed that and vick has proved that time and again...vince will soon enough.

number three, we do have four games that we somehow let slip away...it sucks but it happens in football and it is how teams learn to improve. with those games today we may not have been able to beat the colts...this point is mout b/c we did win today. lasy year the buffalo bills we in a similar situation like we are today. quarterbacks questioned, bad o-line, injuries, soon to be 6-10 record, and a need for just a little bit more. they got it in the draft no where else but the draft...that is a receipe we have been missing out on for a while. last year we began to understand it finally and it looks hopeful again this draft. mind you we will be picking tenth not first this time and we an idea on what to address. buffalo let a few get away this year but not as many as last year and they are heading in the right direction. i think houston is finally going to make that turn and i can't wait for the draft to see it all start to come together.