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lod01
12-11-2006, 04:31 PM
The Houston Chronicle reports the Titans were expecting exactly what they saw from QB David Carr. He completed 17-of-23 passes for 140 yards but rarely looked downfield. "Carr has a high completion rate," LB Keith Bulluck said. "He throws 6- or 7-yard passes and completes a lot of them, but nothing to really stretch the defense. Nothing that will really hurt you." Carr entered the game leading the NFL with a 69.1 percent completion rate.

LMAO.

Go CARR!!!!!!! :yahoo:

Double Barrel
12-11-2006, 04:33 PM
Not crying over spilt milk, but Reggie Bush would have been the perfect target for Carr's special dink and dunks.

Carr should have hit AJ in the endzone, but DC rarely (if ever) leads his receivers. It's frustrating to see almost every other QB in the league do these things, because we never see them in Houston.

Keyser Soze
12-11-2006, 04:38 PM
The Houston Chronicle reports the Titans were expecting exactly what they saw from QB David Carr. He completed 17-of-23 passes for 140 yards but rarely looked downfield.

When he does look downfield he stares a hole in his receiver.

HOU-TEX
12-11-2006, 04:39 PM
Not crying over spilt milk, but Reggie Bush would have been the perfect target for Carr's special dink and dunks.

Carr should have hit AJ in the endzone, but DC rarely (if ever) leads his receivers. It's frustrating to see almost every other QB in the league do these things, because we never see them in Houston.

I agree! I understand trying to lay it up for the receiver to go get, but dang, he throws it to the top of Reliant and comes down at least 5 yards short. AJ had to basically stop his route in order to have a chance at the ball. Aggrivating to say the least!

touttail
12-11-2006, 05:12 PM
Carr threw a long pass downfield right in AJ's hands and he dropped it.

seems like that was it no more downfield passes.

bobby 119C

JDizzle
12-11-2006, 05:23 PM
Carr threw a long pass downfield right in AJ's hands and he dropped it.

seems like that was it no more downfield passes.

bobby 119C


AJ had a couple steps on his man on that play with plenty of real estate to spare. You do not underthrow your man in that situation, you hit him in stride. Underthrowing would have made sense if AJ were covered and / or his man had help over the top. I would not be surprised if that was the throw Carr was trying to make.

Keyser Soze
12-11-2006, 05:24 PM
Carr threw a long pass downfield right in AJ's hands and he dropped it.

seems like that was it no more downfield passes.


It's been like that since Palmer was here. One shot downfield per game. That's the way we play. The rest of the game we throw a yard behind the down marker.

The Dream
12-11-2006, 05:25 PM
this is a joke, it's like other teams are laughing in our face.

Sportsfan
12-11-2006, 05:26 PM
This is nothing new to me. His QB rating is COMPLETELY misleading b/c most of his passes are high-percentage throws.
The dude has an arm and accuracy, freaking use it!

thunderkyss
12-11-2006, 05:29 PM
Carr threw a long pass downfield right in AJ's hands and he dropped it.

seems like that was it no more downfield passes.

bobby 119C

See..... it's like you read what the previous posters posted.... but didn't.

They are saying(& they are right) AJ shouldn't have to be leaping over defenders and doing all those acrobatic things just to get his hands on a ball.... especially when he has the coverage beat.

Granted.... AJ should have caught it.. the ball was on his hands..... more because AJ is a badass... but he's dropped too many balls this season to excuse even that one.

True.... AJ drops balls.... that is unacceptable....

But the Ball should have been placed better. you can say that for every ball AJ caught(or anybody who caught a ball) yesterday.

ThaShark316
12-11-2006, 05:45 PM
The Houston Chronicle reports the Titans were expecting exactly what they saw from QB David Carr. He completed 17-of-23 passes for 140 yards but rarely looked downfield. "Carr has a high completion rate," LB Keith Bulluck said. "He throws 6- or 7-yard passes and completes a lot of them, but nothing to really stretch the defense. Nothing that will really hurt you." Carr entered the game leading the NFL with a 69.1 percent completion rate.

LMAO.

Go CARR!!!!!!! :yahoo:

Like everyone doesn't know that the offense is what it is...dink and dunk...that's not a great quote, that's stating the obvious.

TPIMP
12-11-2006, 05:54 PM
That's what you do if you can't protect. Coach can only work with what he has.

dalemurphy
12-11-2006, 06:49 PM
That's what you do if you can't protect. Coach can only work with what he has.


If Carr takes a 7-step drop on a passing down, something bad is going to happen. That's reality. It'a ashame that we got hit with these OLine injuries because Spencer, Flanagan, and Weigert would make a huge difference right now and things would be looking much brighter. At least the organization won't head into the off-season thinking we don't need more depth and talent on the O-line!- If we add a good FA lineman, draft a first-day guy and get Spencer and Flanagan back, this Oline could be very good and deep next year... Wouldn't that be refreshing?

hot pickle
12-11-2006, 06:54 PM
OMG finally, now the coachin staff is goin, ohhhh thats the problem, thank you mr. Bullock :yahoo:

Runner
12-11-2006, 07:03 PM
If we add a good FA lineman, draft a first-day guy and get Spencer and Flanagan back, this Oline could be very good and deep next year... Wouldn't that be refreshing?

This is very painful to read. I made almost the exact same post during training camp:

We've added a good free agent in Flanagan. Winston and Spencer could grow into starters. Wiegert and Wand play now. In 2-3 years Wand, Winston, and Spencer are our tackles + quality depth. Hodgdon or another center is groomed; Pitts and Weary start at guard. We add a qulaity back-up guard and we are set.

We had a great chance to develop the line and accumulate depth. However, we only carreid nine lineman and then overvalued swing players like Bedell (is he in any three year plan?). So now we start thin at tackle, we may not have quality starters much less depth: maybe Spencer comes back good as new, Wiegert may be done, Winston better improve fast.

Weary, Pitts, and Hodgdon are still here; I don't know what Flanagan may bring next year. We probably need a starting center and a back-up guard in addition to the tackle issues.

What a mess.

jdog
12-11-2006, 07:05 PM
This makes no sense. Six and seven yard passes do hurt. Two of these equals a fresh set of downs. Anyone heard of the west coast offense? You folks will find any reason to complain about Carr.

Runner
12-11-2006, 07:10 PM
This makes no sense. Six and seven yard passes do hurt. Two of these equals a fresh set of downs. Anyone heard of the west coast offense? You folks will find any reason to complain about Carr.

You're right. I don't know why we aren't satisfied with all those touchdowns we've been generating. :sarcasm:

jdog
12-11-2006, 07:16 PM
As I understand it, all teams gameplan us to take away the big play and keep the safeties back because we have a weak running game.

If we had a strong running game, we'd be better in the red zone.

It's still the line people. It doesn't help that our previously not great line has been injured and depleted.

thunderkyss
12-11-2006, 07:26 PM
As I understand it, all teams gameplan us to take away the big play and keep the safeties back because we have a weak running game.

If we had a strong running game, we'd be better in the red zone.

It's still the line people. It doesn't help that our previously not great line has been injured and depleted.

pssst.... that's they way you gameplan against every team....

Some teams say screw it, and throw deep anyway.

Not all these teams have good running games..... the jets & the bills kicked our buts(well, they won) despite not having a running game to speak of.

NederlandTexan
12-11-2006, 07:27 PM
Other teams have injuries to offensive lineman and they don't stop throwing the ball downfield. For all you stat freaks, here's one, the Texans have the best completion percentage in the NFL. We also have the fewest yard per completion. Carr ain't gettin' it done.

Titan "Tack" Fan
12-11-2006, 07:32 PM
He's exactly right. Both times I've watched Carr play this year he throws like 1 yard dump offs to the RB or WR and lets them run with it.

That's about all he can do

AndreRulz
12-11-2006, 07:49 PM
This is nothing new to me. His QB rating is COMPLETELY misleading b/c most of his passes are high-percentage throws.
The dude has an arm and accuracy, freaking use it!

the throws he is throwing i could do that.

Wolf
12-11-2006, 08:12 PM
http://forums.titansonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21750

hope y'all are happy. we deserve the ridicule


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Double Barrel
12-11-2006, 08:19 PM
http://forums.titansonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21750

hope y'all are happy. we deserve the ridicule

They're still a bunch of hillbillies and we're not. :D

doughboy
12-11-2006, 08:22 PM
They're still a bunch of hillbillies and we're not. :D

Watcha Talk'in Bout? We Aint no Hillybillies, we just gots souther axe scents...:shoot: :howdy:

TexansTailg8r
12-11-2006, 08:49 PM
If Carr takes a 7-step drop on a passing down, something bad is going to happen. That's reality. It'a ashame that we got hit with these OLine injuries because Spencer, Flanagan, and Weigert would make a huge difference right now and things would be looking much brighter. At least the organization won't head into the off-season thinking we don't need more depth and talent on the O-line!- If we add a good FA lineman, draft a first-day guy and get Spencer and Flanagan back, this Oline could be very good and deep next year... Wouldn't that be refreshing?

Here's to that :party:

BornOrange
12-11-2006, 09:25 PM
This makes no sense. Six and seven yard passes do hurt. Two of these equals a fresh set of downs. Anyone heard of the west coast offense? You folks will find any reason to complain about Carr.
Yeah, but in a west coast offense you actually lead the receiver so he can catch it in stride and pick up yards after the catch.

Scottyboy
12-11-2006, 09:35 PM
Ha Ha! David Carr- what a horses ass! :tease:

jdog
12-14-2006, 09:39 AM
Yeah, but in a west coast offense you actually lead the receiver so he can catch it in stride and pick up yards after the catch.

Yeah, honestly, I've seen some bad dump off passes from Carr to someone in absolutely no position to do anything with the ball. Carr is just avoiding the sack I guess.

TNTitan
12-14-2006, 09:41 AM
They're still a bunch of hillbillies and we're not. :D

We're not hillbillies! Call us Tennessee Americans....Now, if you excuse me, I have to get a possum out of the deep fryer.

Texan_Bill
12-14-2006, 10:07 AM
I think what Bullock means is that no one respects the deep ball with David at QB. This results in CB's playing bump and run or man tight, and FS, SS, blitzing. It makes our OL look like poop because they have to pick up a 7 man blitz every down. Yea, Carr might get his 6 and 7 yard dinks but all it takes is that one play where the DB blocks that one pass and the drive is done. Pass +7, run +2, blocked pass, Punt. Then you have the play where they get a sack when blitzing 7 men. Sack -5, run +4, dink pass +7, punt. This is what happend every game.

The problem with your scenario isn't necessarily the 7 yard pass, or even the one that got knocked down at the line of scrimmage...

See, if you could have picked up 3 yards instead of 2 on the running play, it would be a 1st down... Negating the 3rd play needed (and as you summized would be a ball batted down)......

hollywood_texan
12-14-2006, 01:42 PM
The problem with your scenario isn't necessarily the 7 yard pass, or even the one that got knocked down at the line of scrimmage...

See, if you could have picked up 3 yards instead of 2 on the running play, it would be a 1st down... Negating the 3rd play needed (and as you summized would be a ball batted down)......

Generally speaking, it is the QB's job to step up and pick up the slack on offense.

You seem to imply that every other player and the defense is supposed to bail out Carr. What about Carr bailing out his teammates for once? That is more or less what makes or breaks a QB in the NFL.

In the NFL, you are going to have a lot of critical 3rd down plays. It is hard to win a game, have an effective offense, and never have a 3rd down. That is where is playmaker QB comes in handy, picking up those tough 3rd downs.

ib4texans
12-14-2006, 01:52 PM
Other teams have injuries to offensive lineman and they don't stop throwing the ball downfield. For all you stat freaks, here's one, the Texans have the best completion percentage in the NFL. We also have the fewest yard per completion. Carr ain't gettin' it done.



Don't forget the 250+ sacks in a five year period, hey that's another record I bet.

thunderkyss
12-14-2006, 02:21 PM
The problem with your scenario isn't necessarily the 7 yard pass, or even the one that got knocked down at the line of scrimmage...

See, if you could have picked up 3 yards instead of 2 on the running play, it would be a 1st down... Negating the 3rd play needed (and as you summized would be a ball batted down)......

the problem in this scenario, is that PocketAces said "this is what happens every game" and he's correct.

Mr teX
12-14-2006, 04:54 PM
That's what you do if you can't protect. Coach can only work with what he has.

Thank you; someone with at least a shred of evidence that they even watch our games.

GP
12-14-2006, 05:04 PM
See..... it's like you read what the previous posters posted.... but didn't.

They are saying(& they are right) AJ shouldn't have to be leaping over defenders and doing all those acrobatic things just to get his hands on a ball.... especially when he has the coverage beat.

Granted.... AJ should have caught it.. the ball was on his hands..... more because AJ is a badass... but he's dropped too many balls this season to excuse even that one.

True.... AJ drops balls.... that is unacceptable....

But the Ball should have been placed better. you can say that for every ball AJ caught(or anybody who caught a ball) yesterday.

LOL!

As soon as he dropped it, I KNEW you'd be on here saying "the ball should have been placed better..."

Once again: Does David have to run down the field and PLACE the ball into his hands like someone serving a customer his plate of food?

Your statement is perhaps THE most ignorant of all statements I have EVER read on any thread over the past few years, TK.

You say earlier in your post that he's dropped too many balls, but at the end of yor post you exonerate him by saying it should have been placed better.

Which is it, TK?

He dropped a TD pass. Period.

Why is it soooooooo hard for you guys to admit that AJ has dropped critical passes over the past two seasons?

Just like David, Aj has made some plays...and he's also NOT made some plays.

AJ is at the top of the AFC (and the league) and somebody must be throwing him the ball to have gotten up there at the top of the charts. Who has it been?

I have been critical of Carr, and I can even be OK with him not being the team's QB. But I cannot be OK with you guys pilig onto him and then blindingly exonerating AJ for HIS lack of big plays and big catches.

A little balance is needed.

DeclanJr
12-14-2006, 05:11 PM
Should AJ have to make a play everytime he gets thrown the ball? He either gets the slant and has to make something happen, or it's the jump ball that is invariably underthrown. Anyone would have drops if they were put into this situation. AJ is the best player on the team, period. When we get a quarterback and an offensive line, then we can start talking about his drops.

Mr teX
12-14-2006, 05:18 PM
Yeah, honestly, I've seen some bad dump off passes from Carr to someone in absolutely no position to do anything with the ball. Carr is just avoiding the sack I guess.

That's exactly what he's doing. Ever heard of taking what the defense gives you? Some QB's have made nice careers off of that principle; not trying to force the ball down field. The problem he has is that he won't cut it loose even when we're on our last leg offensively in games. That is the biggest problem i see with him. At some point when you're down in a game you have to try to force it. If it gets int'd then so be it, but you have to try it.

If the guy just held on to the ball and got sacked instead of his customary dump-offs you guys DEFINITELY would be complaining about that. Instead he tries to put the ball in the hands of others & let them try to make plays & they can't do it. You want to know why? b/c we don't have enough talented players on this team. Ask yourselves:

* how players that were starters for the texans at some point are starting for someone else? - not by default, (b/c of injury)

* how many of these players or even our current players are now on the downside of their careers?

WE NEED AN INFUSION OF TALENT.........period.

I see people talking like if we had VY or RB we'd be going to the playoffs. Newsflash folks, we were the worst team in the league last year & the titans were better than us then. Reflect on the positives of this year; It looks like we have better drafting & we are better W/L wise than we were a year ago.

Hulk75
12-14-2006, 05:20 PM
AJ had a couple steps on his man on that play with plenty of real estate to spare. You do not underthrow your man in that situation, you hit him in stride. Underthrowing would have made sense if AJ were covered and / or his man had help over the top. I would not be surprised if that was the throw Carr was trying to make.

Yea your right like the one he laid right in Dres hands in Jax and he ran our at the one............No excusses when the ball leaves the QBs hands its the WRs job (especially when your a "Pro Bowl WR") to catch the football.

Hulk75
12-14-2006, 05:22 PM
The Houston Chronicle reports the Titans were expecting exactly what they saw from QB David Carr. He completed 17-of-23 passes for 140 yards but rarely looked downfield. "Carr has a high completion rate," LB Keith Bulluck said. "He throws 6- or 7-yard passes and completes a lot of them, but nothing to really stretch the defense. Nothing that will really hurt you." Carr entered the game leading the NFL with a 69.1 percent completion rate.

LMAO.

Go CARR!!!!!!! :yahoo:

Again like you found gold or something............Did they ask him why they did that? (throwing short).

Link please?

jdog
12-14-2006, 05:23 PM
I think what Bullock means is that no one respects the deep ball with David at QB. This results in CB's playing bump and run or man tight, and FS, SS, blitzing. It makes our OL look like poop because they have to pick up a 7 man blitz every down. Yea, Carr might get his 6 and 7 yard dinks but all it takes is that one play where the DB blocks that one pass and the drive is done. Pass +7, run +2, blocked pass, Punt. Then you have the play where they get a sack when blitzing 7 men. Sack -5, run +4, dink pass +7, punt. This is what happend every game.

I am not disagreeing with you, but why doesn't anyone respect the deep ball? I've seen Carr make some beautiful deep passes. What is the problem there? Maybe he is afraid to let the deep play develop, or he is unable to buy time to allow the deep play to develop. What do you think is the problem with the deep ball?

dantem
12-14-2006, 05:26 PM
You do not underthrow your man in that situation, you hit him in stride. Underthrowing would have made sense if AJ were covered and / or his man had help over the top.

You do not drop the pass that hits you in the hands under any circumstances. NOT CARRS FAULT... you guys try to blame Carr for everything. Johnson has played like a "has been" this year.

dantem
12-14-2006, 05:31 PM
I am not disagreeing with you, but why doesn't anyone respect the deep ball? I've seen Carr make some beautiful deep passes. What is the problem there? Maybe he is afraid to let the deep play develop, or he is unable to buy time to allow the deep play to develop. What do you think is the problem with the deep ball?

It takes the fastest reciever in the league aprox, 4.2 seconds to get 40 yards if no one bumps him at the line.. Carr has an average of 3 seconds to release the ball before he is swarmed by defenders. I would rather he take the sack then throw an Int.

Also, because most teams can beat our O-Line with 4 defenders, there are 7 defenders covering 3-4 recievers... do the math.

2 defenders on each receiver = Interception.

Carr would be a fool to throw down field.

Fix the O-Line = Win Games

jdog
12-14-2006, 05:33 PM
It takes the fastest reciever in the league aprox, 4.2 seconds to get 40 yards if no one bumps him at the line.. Carr has an average of 3 seconds to release the ball before he is swarmed by defenders. I would rather he take the sack then throw an Int.

Also, because most teams can beat our O-Line with 4 defenders, there are 7 defenders covering 3-4 recievers... do the math.

2 defenders on each receiver = Interception.

Carr would be a fool to throw down field.

Fix the O-Line = Win Games

This makes a lot of sense to me. Doesn't it make sense to everybody?

jdog
12-14-2006, 05:37 PM
It takes the fastest reciever in the league aprox, 4.2 seconds to get 40 yards if no one bumps him at the line.. Carr has an average of 3 seconds to release the ball before he is swarmed by defenders. I would rather he take the sack then throw an Int.

Also, because most teams can beat our O-Line with 4 defenders, there are 7 defenders covering 3-4 recievers... do the math.

2 defenders on each receiver = Interception.

Carr would be a fool to throw down field.

Fix the O-Line = Win Games

The only thing I can think of in response (as a devil's advocate) is that Carr does not work the pocket well to buy extra time. He seems very Drew Bledsoe, Jr. When Carr decides to run, he runs well, but he does not move fluidly in the pocket or apparently feel pressure.

Texan_Bill
12-14-2006, 05:41 PM
These threads are like watching a dog chasing his tail....

(Thread title goes here)
"Carr has to go he can't throw downfield. King of the dunk",
"the O-line sucks, Carr doesn't have time"
"he doesn't have time because we have no consistent running game"
"we have no running game, because Carr can't throw downfield"
"we don' have a consistent running game, because the O-line sucks"

(New Thread title goes here)
"Carr has to go he can't throw downfield. King of the dunk",
"the O-line sucks, Carr doesn't have time"
"he doesn't have time because we have no consistent running game"
"we have no running game, because Carr can't throw downfield"
"we don' have a consistent running game, because the O-line sucks"

(New Thread title goes here)
"Carr has to go he can't throw downfield. King of the dunk",
"the O-line sucks, Carr doesn't have time"
"he doesn't have time because we have no consistent running game"
"we have no running game, because Carr can't throw downfield"
"we don' have a consistent running game, because the O-line sucks"

:deadhorse

Did I miss anything? Does someone have something truly refreshing and / or enlightening on the subject? :deadhorse

My idea, pick one area, work on that in the offseason and go from there.

ib4texans
12-14-2006, 05:43 PM
Should AJ have to make a play everytime he gets thrown the ball? He either gets the slant and has to make something happen, or it's the jump ball that is invariably underthrown. Anyone would have drops if they were put into this situation. AJ is the best player on the team, period. When we get a quarterback and an offensive line, then we can start talking about his drops.




Oh, I see. It's the O-lines fault Dre can't catch the ball, yet the O-line can't be scrutinized when criticizing the QB.

jdog
12-14-2006, 05:45 PM
These threads are like watching a dog chasing his tail....

(Thread title goes here)
"Carr has to go he can't throw downfield. King of the dunk",
"the O-line sucks, Carr doesn't have time"
"he doesn't have time because we have no consistent running game"
"we have no running game, because Carr can't throw downfield"
"we don' have a consistent running game, because the O-line sucks"

(New Thread title goes here)
"Carr has to go he can't throw downfield. King of the dunk",
"the O-line sucks, Carr doesn't have time"
"he doesn't have time because we have no consistent running game"
"we have no running game, because Carr can't throw downfield"
"we don' have a consistent running game, because the O-line sucks"

(New Thread title goes here)
"Carr has to go he can't throw downfield. King of the dunk",
"the O-line sucks, Carr doesn't have time"
"he doesn't have time because we have no consistent running game"
"we have no running game, because Carr can't throw downfield"
"we don' have a consistent running game, because the O-line sucks"

:deadhorse

Did I miss anything? Does someone have something truly refreshing and / or enlightening on the subject? :deadhorse

My idea, pick one area, work on that in the offseason and go from there.

I think the offensive line is the obvious problem in all of those examples. Let's focus on improving the damn offensive line! Haven't we been saying that since the beginning?

ib4texans
12-14-2006, 05:46 PM
These threads are like watching a dog chasing his tail....

(Thread title goes here)
"Carr has to go he can't throw downfield. King of the dunk",
"the O-line sucks, Carr doesn't have time"
"he doesn't have time because we have no consistent running game"
"we have no running game, because Carr can't throw downfield"
"we don' have a consistent running game, because the O-line sucks"

(New Thread title goes here)
"Carr has to go he can't throw downfield. King of the dunk",
"the O-line sucks, Carr doesn't have time"
"he doesn't have time because we have no consistent running game"
"we have no running game, because Carr can't throw downfield"
"we don' have a consistent running game, because the O-line sucks"

(New Thread title goes here)
"Carr has to go he can't throw downfield. King of the dunk",
"the O-line sucks, Carr doesn't have time"
"he doesn't have time because we have no consistent running game"
"we have no running game, because Carr can't throw downfield"
"we don' have a consistent running game, because the O-line sucks"

:deadhorse

Did I miss anything? Does someone have something truly refreshing and / or enlightening on the subject? :deadhorse

My idea, pick one area, work on that in the offseason and go from there.




It's agreed, I say we need a defense that doesn't melt like butter after 3/4 of good sound defense. We've already started in this area,so I say continue until it's solid.

jdog
12-14-2006, 05:46 PM
Obviously, we have a lot of injuries. Let's work on having depth at the line too. Why not? It is kind of important. Any successful team has good lines, right.

thunderkyss
12-14-2006, 05:47 PM
LOL!

As soon as he dropped it, I KNEW you'd be on here saying "the ball should have been placed better..."

Once again: Does David have to run down the field and PLACE the ball into his hands like someone serving a customer his plate of food?

Your statement is perhaps THE most ignorant of all statements I have EVER read on any thread over the past few years, TK.

You say earlier in your post that he's dropped too many balls, but at the end of yor post you exonerate him by saying it should have been placed better.

Which is it, TK?

He dropped a TD pass. Period.

Why is it soooooooo hard for you guys to admit that AJ has dropped critical passes over the past two seasons?

Just like David, Aj has made some plays...and he's also NOT made some plays.

AJ is at the top of the AFC (and the league) and somebody must be throwing him the ball to have gotten up there at the top of the charts. Who has it been?

I have been critical of Carr, and I can even be OK with him not being the team's QB. But I cannot be OK with you guys pilig onto him and then blindingly exonerating AJ for HIS lack of big plays and big catches.

A little balance is needed.



When David lays a ball in AJ's hands, and he drops it....... I'll be the first to tell you AJ needs to go. But so far, he's having to dive for them, Jump over defenders for them, come back through defenders for them, play DB every now and again....

AJ is doing his job..... when he is closer to the endzone than the CB..... that's all we should expect a WR to do, beat coverage. The QB should put the ball in front of him, so all he has to do is wrap his hands around the ball, and continue to run into the endzone.

You've got a safety coming to help on the inside?? no problem, just throw the ball to the outside of the reciever, still ahead of the reciever.... Watch Matt Lienart, Tony Romo, Jay Cutler & Vince Young, and you'll see what I'm talking about..... they've all done it this year.

If your reciever is running a step behind the CB, throw it behind the reciever. Let him make a play. kinda like Vince did on the second drop by Bennette.

If you've got recievers like Moulds & AJ, there's got to be half a dozen places you can put the ball, where they can make a play on it. They've both got good hands, speed, and size. But for some reason, our QB manages to find the one spot where our reciever has the worst possible position to make a catch.

It's not ignorant....... if you need me to get out a pencil & paper to help you understand.... let me know, and I'll see what I can do.

Texan_Bill
12-14-2006, 05:47 PM
Nice.... Someone picked an area (whether you agree or disagree) and manage to say his peace without all of the other crap, calling names, belitteling someone's elses opinion, and denegrading the Texans and players.... Nicely done IB4 and JDog!!!

jdog
12-14-2006, 05:48 PM
It's agreed, I say we need a defense that doesn't melt like butter after 3/4 of good sound defense. We've already started in this area,so I say continue until it's solid.

I think a CB and a DT would make the defense pretty good.

jdog
12-14-2006, 05:56 PM
We have some progress on lineman. Add a few more along with the CB and DT.

I know this isn't a draft area, but I'm thinking LT, CB, DT, OL, OL, OL, OL. Get some damn offensive lineman. I know it's overboard, but let's get it fixed and go from there. We can't pick out chandeliers when the foundation is a pile of rocks and wood wedges.

thunderkyss
12-14-2006, 05:57 PM
Yea your right like the one he laid right in Dres hands in Jax and he ran our at the one............No excusses when the ball leaves the QBs hands its the WRs job (especially when your a "Pro Bowl WR") to catch the football.

If it were laid in his hands, he wouldn't have gone out of bounds. there was no one in front of AJ, but David threw it towards the sideline, and AJ had to go towards the sideline to get it...... that momentum took him out of bounds. If that's the best pass to a wideopen reciever that you can think of that Carr has made....... you just made our point.

I am not disagreeing with you, but why doesn't anyone respect the deep ball? I've seen Carr make some beautiful deep passes. What is the problem there? Maybe he is afraid to let the deep play develop, or he is unable to buy time to allow the deep play to develop. What do you think is the problem with the deep ball?

you haven't seen Carr throw a single beautiful deep ball this year... even the one at the beginning of the Washington game where Dre was wide open, he had to come back for.

But.. no one is worried about David's deep ball, because he won't throw the ball if there is anything that looks like coverage. The ones he has thrown, I think someone has been getting on his ass, then he heaves it up there, and says, "see... he was covered".......

It takes the fastest reciever in the league aprox, 4.2 seconds to get 40 yards if no one bumps him at the line.. Carr has an average of 3 seconds to release the ball before he is swarmed by defenders. I would rather he take the sack then throw an Int.

Also, because most teams can beat our O-Line with 4 defenders, there are 7 defenders covering 3-4 recievers... do the math.

2 defenders on each receiver = Interception.

Carr would be a fool to throw down field.

Fix the O-Line = Win Games



This makes a lot of sense to me. Doesn't it make sense to everybody?

because we'd be happy if David would throw a 10 yard pattern, or a 15 yard pattern, especially on 3rd & 9. With these numbers, a 10 or 15 yard pattern should take about 2 seconds to develop.... but he's not throwing those... he's throwing the 2 yard, and the 4 yard route....

dantem
12-14-2006, 06:04 PM
If it were laid in his hands, he wouldn't have gone out of bounds. there was no one in front of AJ, but David threw it towards the sideline, and AJ had to go towards the sideline to get it...... that momentum took him out of bounds. If that's the best pass to a wideopen reciever that you can think of that Carr has made....... you just made our point.



you haven't seen Carr throw a single beautiful deep ball this year... even the one at the beginning of the Washington game where Dre was wide open, he had to come back for.

But.. no one is worried about David's deep ball, because he won't throw the ball if there is anything that looks like coverage. The ones he has thrown, I think someone has been getting on his ass, then he heaves it up there, and says, "see... he was covered".......







because we'd be happy if David would throw a 10 yard pattern, or a 15 yard pattern, especially on 3rd & 9. With these numbers, a 10 or 15 yard pattern should take about 2 seconds to develop.... but he's not throwing those... he's throwing the 2 yard, and the 4 yard route....

Your post sounds like you think Carr is calling the Plays, Is that the case?

jdog
12-14-2006, 06:05 PM
you haven't seen Carr throw a single beautiful deep ball this year... even the one at the beginning of the Washington game where Dre was wide open, he had to come back for.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't get to see many games because I am not in the area and don't have the ticket. I think that Carr does throw a good deep ball though.


because we'd be happy if David would throw a 10 yard pattern, or a 15 yard pattern, especially on 3rd & 9. With these numbers, a 10 or 15 yard pattern should take about 2 seconds to develop.... but he's not throwing those... he's throwing the 2 yard, and the 4 yard route....

Someone else made a good point. He was throwing these things earlier in the season before the line was besieged with injuries.

ib4texans
12-14-2006, 06:06 PM
We have some progress on lineman. Add a few more along with the CB and DT.

I know this isn't a draft area, but I'm thinking LT, CB, DT, OL, OL, OL, OL. Get some damn offensive lineman. I know it's overboard, but let's get it fixed and go from there. We can't pick out chandeliers when the foundation is a pile of rocks and wood wedges.


Absolutely, the skill positions can hold. We've already attempted the miracle cure with one player. Now it's time to just take multiple picks with good solid mid round picks, let them come here and develop into studs.

thunderkyss
12-14-2006, 06:07 PM
I think the offensive line is the obvious problem in all of those examples. Let's focus on improving the damn offensive line! Haven't we been saying that since the beginning?

yet no matter what we do...... or who chooses the guys to play on our offensive line, or who coaches our offensive lines..... it ain't enough...... it's never enough.

dantem
12-14-2006, 06:11 PM
The only thing I can think of in response (as a devil's advocate) is that Carr does not work the pocket well to buy extra time. He seems very Drew Bledsoe, Jr. When Carr decides to run, he runs well, but he does not move fluidly in the pocket or apparently feel pressure.

This is true, but I remember him moving around well in the first 3 years, now he stands still in the pocket, and gets hit.

The one thing He does not have is the ability to shake off defenders, Many QB's have the ability to juke out of sack situations, with very small movements, sometimes never even moving their feet. Carr has never had that ability. But, many other QB's would not be able to hit a reciever 15 yards downfield on the left sideline while in a full sprint to the right sideline. Carr does this better than anyone I have seen.

All in all he is not as bad as some folks think. they just forget the good parts when we are loosing.

thunderkyss
12-14-2006, 06:15 PM
Your post sounds like you think Carr is calling the Plays, Is that the case?

no, but I know no one in their right minds call a play where your only reciever is 4 yards from the LOS.

at home games, I can see our recievers beating the defense, yet Carr still throws the safe under.

jdog
12-14-2006, 06:16 PM
Absolutely, the skill positions can hold. We've already attempted the miracle cure with one player. Now it's time to just take multiple picks with good solid mid round picks, let them come here and develop into studs.

Yeah, I am confident in the ability of Smith and Kubiak to find some good talent in the draft too. This last draft gave us a solid DE, MLB, TE, two good OL's, and I think a couple of good RB's too. I kind of like Porter too.

Let's focus their abilities on getting a heap of linemen for good value. I think we can afford it right now with the other players we have as long as we get a better CB to go with Dunta.

It seems like teams have picked on our offensive line and our second CB all year regardless of who it is.

jdog
12-14-2006, 06:21 PM
This is true, but I remember him moving around well in the first 3 years, now he stands still in the pocket, and gets hit.

The one thing He does not have is the ability to shake off defenders, Many QB's have the ability to juke out of sack situations, with very small movements, sometimes never even moving their feet. Carr has never had that ability. But, many other QB's would not be able to hit a reciever 15 yards downfield on the left sideline while in a full sprint to the right sideline. Carr does this better than anyone I have seen.

All in all he is not as bad as some folks think. they just forget the good parts when we are loosing.

Yeah, he's definitely a lightning rod for the team/town. I respect him for continuing to fight and be professional. I think he's great.

dantem
12-14-2006, 07:56 PM
no, but I know no one in their right minds call a play where your only reciever is 4 yards from the LOS.

at home games, I can see our recievers beating the defense, yet Carr still throws the safe under.

I don't know where you were sitting, but our recievers, at least at the last 4 home games, have been double covered and are rarely open downfield. Other teams know we have no running threat, so they double up in the backfield., yet with our wounded, makeshift O-Line they get instant pressure on Carr with just 4 linemen.

Until we can improve our O-Line, we will do well if we avoid a fumble during the sack.

GP
12-15-2006, 12:16 AM
When David lays a ball in AJ's hands, and he drops it....... I'll be the first to tell you AJ needs to go. But so far, he's having to dive for them, Jump over defenders for them, come back through defenders for them, play DB every now and again....

AJ is doing his job..... when he is closer to the endzone than the CB..... that's all we should expect a WR to do, beat coverage. The QB should put the ball in front of him, so all he has to do is wrap his hands around the ball, and continue to run into the endzone.

You've got a safety coming to help on the inside?? no problem, just throw the ball to the outside of the reciever, still ahead of the reciever.... Watch Matt Lienart, Tony Romo, Jay Cutler & Vince Young, and you'll see what I'm talking about..... they've all done it this year.

If your reciever is running a step behind the CB, throw it behind the reciever. Let him make a play. kinda like Vince did on the second drop by Bennette.

If you've got recievers like Moulds & AJ, there's got to be half a dozen places you can put the ball, where they can make a play on it. They've both got good hands, speed, and size. But for some reason, our QB manages to find the one spot where our reciever has the worst possible position to make a catch.

It's not ignorant....... if you need me to get out a pencil & paper to help you understand.... let me know, and I'll see what I can do.

Your entire post is a rambling "opinion" of "how" you think the QB/WR relationship should be.

Here's how blatantly and patently simple it should be: When the WR gets TWO HANDS on a ball thrown to him, he needs to catch it unless it gets knocked out of his hands by a defender.

Can't it be that simple, TK?

Why is it that you have these long, rambling theories about all the physics and logisitics and the situations and circumstances about when and how a Wr should catch a ball?

At the end of the day, he ought to catch it if he gets two hands on it.

Red Stripe man: "Hooray SIMPLICITY!"

dantem
12-15-2006, 12:33 AM
If you've got recievers like Moulds & AJ, there's got to be half a dozen places you can put the ball, where they can make a play on it. They've both got good hands, speed, and size. But for some reason, our QB manages to find the one spot where our reciever has the worst possible position to make a catch.



David has hit andre in the numbers 4 times this season and he dropped it. Is the numbers a bad place to put the ball? or is that an unfair question?