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Second Honeymoon
12-11-2006, 10:11 AM
You homers have been talking out of your arse all year long and you just got punked. Where are you now? What is the new Excuse Of The Week? Who are you blaming this week for Carr's unsatisfactory play and another huge and historic Texans loss?

Where are you at? Have you finally woken up to reality? Are you too busy trying to spin this into a positive or excuse? As long as we got ignorant homer fans, a clueless owner, and a very poor head coach in Kubiak we have a recipe for complete embarasssment.

When the loser organization drafted Mario they said it was to beat Peyton Manning. Well last time I checked, Vince has beaten Peyton almost twice already and David is 0-9 v. him. Mario sadly will probably never be an All-Pro and we passed on 2 possible Hall Of Famers to get him....congrats apologists, you have risen the bar to a new level....now come out and take your medicine and come out of hiding...

thunderkyss
12-11-2006, 11:12 AM
I know it's just an IF.....

But what IF we'd have won the toss...... Mathis returns it to the Tennesse 30, & Kris Brown kicked a 47 yrd FG, and we won the game??

Don't get me wrong I was all for drafting Vince Young. But we played a good game, with or without David. True, it would be looked on as a mistake, if we are looking for a QB after next season.......... I seriously doubt we'll be looking for a QB this offseason.

I'd bet that Kubiak will have his Denver running game in Houston before he gives up on David....... & that may very well take three years.

Texanfan4ever
12-11-2006, 11:21 AM
You homers have been talking out of your arse all year long and you just got punked. Where are you now? What is the new Excuse Of The Week? Who are you blaming this week for Carr's unsatisfactory play and another huge and historic Texans loss?

Where are you at? Have you finally woken up to reality? Are you too busy trying to spin this into a positive or excuse? As long as we got ignorant homer fans, a clueless owner, and a very poor head coach in Kubiak we have a recipe for complete embarasssment.

When the loser organization drafted Mario they said it was to beat Peyton Manning. Well last time I checked, Vince has beaten Peyton almost twice already and David is 0-9 v. him. Mario sadly will probably never be an All-Pro and we passed on 2 possible Hall Of Famers to get him....congrats apologists, you have risen the bar to a new level....now come out and take your medicine and come out of hiding...

I think you would feel so much better if you just found a new team to be part of. There is no amount of anything here that you will ever be satisfied with no matter what happens. So take your negativity somewhere else.

I would be willing to bet you are like this in almost everything you do.

It's a choice and you choose to be negative. Do you go to bed angry with yourself every night??? :hides: LOL

P.S. Carr had a great game, I love Carr. Carr is wonderful. Carr is better than Vince,, Carr is going to the Super Bowl, Carr, Carr, Carr, I love Carr. :stirpot:

bayshorebevo
12-11-2006, 11:24 AM
"It's a choice and you choose to be negative. Do you go to bed angry with yourself every night??? LOL"

It wasn't our choice. The negative choice was made by our brain trust. If you are not mad, you are not an eductaed fan.

real
12-11-2006, 11:24 AM
I know it's just an IF.....

But what IF we'd have won the toss...... Mathis returns it to the Tennesse 30, & Kris Brown kicked a 47 yrd FG, and we won the game??

Don't get me wrong I was all for drafting Vince Young. But we played a good game, with or without David. True, it would be looked on as a mistake, if we are looking for a QB after next season.......... I seriously doubt we'll be looking for a QB this offseason.

I'd bet that Kubiak will have his Denver running game in Houston before he gives up on David....... & that may very well take three years.

I was actually thinking about this during the game....


I wasn't too pleased with Carr's play and I was going to rip him regardless of whether we lost or not....

Texanfan4ever
12-11-2006, 11:26 AM
"It's a choice and you choose to be negative. Do you go to bed angry with yourself every night??? LOL"

It wasn't our choice. The negative choice was made by our brain trust. If you are not mad, you are not an eductaed fan.


I'm pretty educated. I graduated from UT. Hmn.......Go figure.

TransplantTexan1
12-11-2006, 11:26 AM
You homers have been talking out of your arse all year long and you just got punked. Where are you now? What is the new Excuse Of The Week? Who are you blaming this week for Carr's unsatisfactory play and another huge and historic Texans loss?

Where are you at? Have you finally woken up to reality? Are you too busy trying to spin this into a positive or excuse? As long as we got ignorant homer fans, a clueless owner, and a very poor head coach in Kubiak we have a recipe for complete embarasssment.

When the loser organization drafted Mario they said it was to beat Peyton Manning. Well last time I checked, Vince has beaten Peyton almost twice already and David is 0-9 v. him. Mario sadly will probably never be an All-Pro and we passed on 2 possible Hall Of Famers to get him....congrats apologists, you have risen the bar to a new level....now come out and take your medicine and come out of hiding...

Well, that seems to be quite a leap to take so early in the game but I generally agree with a lot of the rest of your post. Although, I have no dog in the hater versus apologist fight. Neither group is being completely objective about the situation, quite frankly.

thunderkyss
12-11-2006, 11:31 AM
I think you would feel so much better if you just found a new team to be part of. There is no amount of anything here that you will ever be satisfied with no matter what happens. So take your negativity somewhere else.
:stirpot:

Do you feel the same about the Denver fans who booed Jake?? or the Cowgurls who booed Drew?? Or the Arizona fans who booed Warner??

some people understand that some parts of the team just don't fit.

Another thing to think about...... There are a lot of fans wanting a QB change in Chicago, even though they have the #1 team in the NFC.. they know that while you can win a Superbowl in spite of your QB... odds are against it. & only by having a QB can you even think about becoming a Dynasty.... unlike the Bucs who won't be in the playoffs this year, and only made last years playoffs because the NFC is week. Or the Ravens who haven't sniffed an AFC championship game, much less the Superbowl in 5 years.

Also, while Miami & Oakland both have Defenses that would rival the Bears.... they aren't talked about very much, because of poor play from the offensive side of the ball.

Texans_Chick
12-11-2006, 11:40 AM
They are who we thought they were.

Bob McNair said when Kubiak was drafted that David Carr was a quarterback that could take you to the Super Bowl.

Gary Kubiak didn't agree with that. He said that this was too much to put on David Carr, but that he felt he had the tools to be a quarterback on a Super Bowl team.

I do not know what Vince Young can ultimately do. He is not like anyone who has come before him. There is no blueprint. He keeps freaking Jeff Fisher out for pete's sake, and Fisher has seen everything.

Texanfan4ever
12-11-2006, 11:43 AM
Do you feel the same about the Denver fans who booed Jake?? or the Cowgurls who booed Drew?? Or the Arizona fans who booed Warner??

some people understand that some parts of the team just don't fit.

Another thing to think about...... There are a lot of fans wanting a QB change in Chicago, even though they have the #1 team in the NFC.. they know that while you can win a Superbowl in spite of your QB... odds are against it. & only by having a QB can you even think about becoming a Dynasty.... unlike the Bucs who won't be in the playoffs this year, and only made last years playoffs because the NFC is week. Or the Ravens who haven't sniffed an AFC championship game, much less the Superbowl in 5 years.

Also, while Miami & Oakland both have Defenses that would rival the Bears.... they aren't talked about very much, because of poor play from the offensive side of the ball.


My point was that to throw the whole organization, coaches, players, everyone into the same pot is silly. And at this point there is nothing that can be done, but to keep going. We didn't draft Vince, we kept David, so that is what the organization has to deal with right now.

We have some problems, and I'm tired of losing too, so I'm all for whatever we need to do to change it, but I personally think that McNair and Kubiak will figure it out.

Brandon420tx
12-11-2006, 11:47 AM
You want an excuse?

We lost a game that came down to a coin toss, and everyone is bitter that we ruined their April mock drafts.

dantem
12-11-2006, 11:49 AM
You homers have been talking out of your arse all year long and you just got punked. Where are you now? What is the new Excuse Of The Week? Who are you blaming this week for Carr's unsatisfactory play and another huge and historic Texans loss?

Where are you at? Have you finally woken up to reality? Are you too busy trying to spin this into a positive or excuse? As long as we got ignorant homer fans, a clueless owner, and a very poor head coach in Kubiak we have a recipe for complete embarasssment.

When the loser organization drafted Mario they said it was to beat Peyton Manning. Well last time I checked, Vince has beaten Peyton almost twice already and David is 0-9 v. him. Mario sadly will probably never be an All-Pro and we passed on 2 possible Hall Of Famers to get him....congrats apologists, you have risen the bar to a new level....now come out and take your medicine and come out of hiding...

OK, you win, The Texans Suck... Maybe we should all start rooting for the Titans... I think that is your point, Right?

It's no new news that there are players on other teams who are playing better than the ones on the Texans team. How is that getting punked.

Thats just life...

your post sounds like you have the maturity level of a junior high school student.

You should get over it and grow up...

Koolaid Time
12-11-2006, 11:50 AM
They are who we thought they were.

Bob McNair said when Kubiak was drafted that David Carr was a quarterback that could take you to the Super Bowl.

Gary Kubiak didn't agree with that. He said that this was too much to put on David Carr, but that he felt he had the tools to be a quarterback on a Super Bowl team.

I do not know what Vince Young can ultimately do. He is not like anyone who has come before him. There is no blueprint. He keeps freaking Jeff Fisher out for pete's sake, and Fisher has seen everything.


Well, I for one blame the "consultant" Dan Reeves.... Reeves was the genesis behind the misguided notion that "David Carr can win in the NFL."

David Carr CAN'T WIN in Houston.. Why:

1. He is mentally "toast." He has been hit so much he has no confidence in his offensive line.. or himself.

2. He lacks the proper attitude. He doesn't do anything original. He does what others tell him to do, instead of exercising leadership and setting an example. Personally, I don't think he cares anymore. He is just here for a paycheck.

3. His coaching here stinks. Palmer was horrible. His replacements are not much better.

4. His offensive line is/was and shall ever be, horrible.

Maybe David can succeed somewhere else.. Detroit, Tampa Bay, Green Bay, Pittsburg.... but his days in Houston are numbered.

fhlh
12-11-2006, 11:57 AM
Mario sadly will probably never be an All-Pro and we passed on 2 possible Hall Of Famers to get him

easy... don't bash Mario because of the FO.
Mario is gonna be a fine player, especially when he gets his wheels at 100%.
But yes... you're right, We shoulda took Vince or Bush.

Dunta_23
12-11-2006, 12:00 PM
First of all....how did Texans fans get "punked" because Vince Young wasnt even really part of the Final Draft decision...it was basically down to Reggie Bush and Mario Williams.... Does Demeco "punk" every team in the league when we beat them because they all passed on him? Will the Saints get "punked" if the Titans beat them some day down the road?

Sure Vince Young is from Houston and he is/will be a good player in this league...but Gary Kubiak thought/thinks that David Carr has all the tools to be an effective QB in his system...and obviously thought that the pick could be used to help out the team in another way...You can say that these were bad decisions but you cant say that Vince Punked anyone...he just played a good game...

kfranco_utexas
12-11-2006, 12:09 PM
The Texans are a joke. Plain and simple. This football team sucks more than the Baylor Bears. And that is saying something..

Nawzer
12-11-2006, 12:13 PM
There is no more excuses on part of the Texans or David Carr. Carr's done in Houston. He didn't loose yesterday's game but he didn't win it either. Over throwing, underthrowing, crossing the line of scrimmage twice, shaky pocket presence, no passes over the middle, no deep passes, no leadership in the huddle, laughing it up in the sidelines, etc. He's not a bad player but he's not the guy who's going to take us to where we all want to go. VY was great and we're going to have to face up to the challenge for the next decade or so.

NederlandTexan
12-11-2006, 12:13 PM
There are no more excuses for Carr. Two passes all day of 10+ yards. Either he freaks out or the coaches don't trust him. I no longer buy into the o-line excuse. Most teams don't have an All-pro line and they somehow find ways to get the ball down field. I know 3/5 of the line is new, more excuses. The Saints lines were considered weak prior to the season, can anyone name a Saint lineman. Bottom line - David just isn't a very good QB.

I guess Nawzer and I were typing at the same time, sorry for the redundancy.

brewhaus
12-11-2006, 12:15 PM
There are no excuses....But I plan on remaining hopeful.

DarkNinja
12-11-2006, 12:22 PM
You homers have been talking out of your arse all year long and you just got punked. Where are you now? What is the new Excuse Of The Week? Who are you blaming this week for Carr's unsatisfactory play and another huge and historic Texans loss?

Where are you at? Have you finally woken up to reality? Are you too busy trying to spin this into a positive or excuse? As long as we got ignorant homer fans, a clueless owner, and a very poor head coach in Kubiak we have a recipe for complete embarasssment.

When the loser organization drafted Mario they said it was to beat Peyton Manning. Well last time I checked, Vince has beaten Peyton almost twice already and David is 0-9 v. him. Mario sadly will probably never be an All-Pro and we passed on 2 possible Hall Of Famers to get him....congrats apologists, you have risen the bar to a new level....now come out and take your medicine and come out of hiding...


Amen, its about time someone stands up and say it with me! I totally agree. I believe this franchise should have been rebuilt around a QB like VY instead of renewing Carr's contract for some HEB coupons. But ask yourselves this question. If you were passionate and had the love/ money for the business of a football team. Why would pass up all the profit, revenue, and sold-out VIP seats from Austin to Houston just to draft an OK defensive lineman that can only get a solid handicap/ mercy sack?? Conspiracy? Yeah...Politics?...Oh Yeah...Wouldn't it be a GREAT business decision to make your money back on a USED CARR that failed you many times.
May this question should be a new post...

kfranco_utexas
12-11-2006, 12:24 PM
The guy with the "Free Coffee when texans win"


that is hilarious. They have a wonderful time only giving free coffee 2-4 times a year.:stirpot:

Second Honeymoon
12-11-2006, 01:51 PM
as for me bashing Mario that is hogwash. I just said he doesnt look like a probowler and regretfully probably will never go to one. a bit assumptious? possibly, but the bottom line is we passed on 2 guys who seem to already be making their case for football immortality.

more importantly, both guys went to teams that WERE HORRIBLE. those teams are now both heading in the right direction, with one (the saints) being a legitimate Super Bowl contender. but winning isnt important to some of you obviously. the only thing that matters to stupid homer fan is backing their golden boy come hell or high water and making excuse after stupid freaking excuse.

but whatever, keep the stupid excuses coming and stay the course with Carr. We have seen what that garbage has gotten us. 5 years of embarassments

screw it, just sign Carr to a lifetime contract and make his dad the coach. he isnt the problem, right? stupid idiots....

SESupergenius
12-11-2006, 02:05 PM
I was actually thinking about this during the game....


I wasn't too pleased with Carr's play and I was going to rip him regardless of whether we lost or not....

That's funny, I felt the same way about Vince Young. He missed a golden oppourtunity in regulation win this thing with under 2 minutes left and couldn't get it done against one of the leagues worst defenses. Now granted he made the game winning play so I can't say much to that, it is what it is, one great play that was set up by an fantastic return and gambling defense.

David Carr had his opportunity as well to win the game, and didn't capitalize on it, but did tie the game up in a pressure situation.

real
12-11-2006, 02:10 PM
That's funny, I felt the same way about Vince Young. He missed a golden oppourtunity in regulation win this thing with under 2 minutes left and couldn't get it done against one of the leagues worst defenses. Now granted he made the game winning play so I can't say much to that, it is what it is, one great play that was set up by an fantastic return and gambling defense.

David Carr had his opportunity as well to win the game, and didn't capitalize on it, but did tie the game up in a pressure situation.

The only problem with your theory is that VY is a rookie with poor mechanics, low wunderlich, and oh yeah....he can't take snaps from under center....

If you want to compare a 5 year vet. to a rookie then go ahead....

thunderkyss
12-11-2006, 03:09 PM
When are you going to learn it is a team sport. You seriously act like Carr did not date you or something and you hold a crudge.

Oh and by saying it is not all Carr's fault and placing equal blame on the entire team is not being a homer it is called not being biast towards the one person you hate. anyone who disagrees with you is a homer and is talking out there arse? You should get Negative Reps for name calling but whatever your not worth it.

By the way a new freakin QB does not fix the bad tackling on the defense and the poor blocking on offense. It might help in some areas but not in these two specific areas. Stating fact is not making excuses. One day you will know the difference, but it is not this day.

I wonder if any of the people who keep spouting off with this, "It's a team game" stuff ever watch anything but Texans' games.

Surely they'd see that the QB is more than just another player on the team.

Heck, watching Vince Young yesterday, when your reciever drops two easily catchable balls..... no problem.... chunk it out to him again....

Get sacked... no biggie, you had to throw the ball 10 yards... just throw it 9 yards farther......

but I guarantee you this.... next time David gets sacked....next week, the week after, the week after that. If we aren't punting on 4th down, it'll be a run play out of the I.... bet.

real
12-11-2006, 03:16 PM
If we had a QB who could make plays, the defense would have been a non-issue IMO....

The defense intercepted the ball in Titan territory and Carr didn't do enough to put it into the endzone which would have given us the victory...Instead we had to settle for the field goal....This was the same drive that he had the illegal forward pass penalty....

Carr is a liability at this point.

texaslifter
12-11-2006, 05:25 PM
I think the entire franchise and fan base knows that Carr's extension was a mistake and that we couldn't have gone wrong with either Bush or Vince. Anyone not fessing up to it at this point is jaded to the point where what they have to say is meaningless. The only hope is that we can use our current tools + future drafts to somehow find a winning formula.

cuppacoffee
12-11-2006, 05:27 PM
[QUOTE=Second Honeymoon;531985]You homers have been talking out of your arse all year long

...Yada.... Yada ...Yada

:hmmm: And you could hear what was being said?


:coffee:..=.. texanpride :homer:

axman40
12-11-2006, 05:41 PM
They are who we thought they were.

Bob McNair said when Kubiak was drafted that David Carr was a quarterback that could take you to the Super Bowl.

Gary Kubiak didn't agree with that. He said that this was too much to put on David Carr, but that he felt he had the tools to be a quarterback on a Super Bowl team.

I do not know what Vince Young can ultimately do. He is not like anyone who has come before him. There is no blueprint. He keeps freaking Jeff Fisher out for pete's sake, and Fisher has seen everything.
I disagree I have seen QB's like VY their names are Bradshaw, Staubach, Montana and Elway.
They had that ability to win the big games their teamates really thought no game was out of reach as long as they had their QB under center.
VY imposes his will on the other teams and yes I said this before the draft!
Jeff Fisher looks about 10 years younger now than when the season started.

:hides:

Koolaid Time
12-11-2006, 05:53 PM
I disagree I have seen QB's like VY their names are Bradshaw, Staubach, Montana and Elway.
They had that ability to win the big games their teamates really thought no game was out of reach as long as they had their QB under center.
VY imposes his will on the other teams and yes I said this before the draft!
Jeff Fisher looks about 10 years younger now than when the season started.

Bradshaw, Staubach, Montana and Elway are all a bit more celebral than Vince. Bradshaw, Staubach, Elway, Montana knew the strategy aspects of the game inside out and backwards. They could read defenses and pick them apart all without any help from an offensive coordinator.

You have to admit Vince wins with his athletic ability. Vince isn't a rocket scientist. But you are right, Vince Young is a leader.

Maybe that explains Kubiak... with Elway at QB, any offensive coordinator looks good.

Texans_Chick
12-11-2006, 05:55 PM
I disagree I have seen QB's like VY their names are Bradshaw, Staubach, Montana and Elway.
They had that ability to win the big games their teamates really thought no game was out of reach as long as they had their QB under center.
VY imposes his will on the other teams and yes I said this before the draft!
Jeff Fisher looks about 10 years younger now than when the season started.

:hides:


What are you disagreeing with? Kubiak said it is too much to ask David Carr to take them to the Super Bowl. He didn't say that no quarterback is capable of doing that.

bad
12-11-2006, 05:56 PM
I think the entire franchise and fan base knows that Carr's extension was a mistake and that we couldn't have gone wrong with either Bush or Vince. Anyone not fessing up to it at this point is jaded to the point where what they have to say is meaningless. The only hope is that we can use our current tools + future drafts to somehow find a winning formula.
We also need to get over all the could'a - should'a - would'a's and move on. It's easy enough to go back and pick Julius Peppers over David Carr, Anyone over Travis Johnson, Bush or Young over Mario Williams, etc. but it's not gonna make it happen.

Let the talking heads talk and the pundits pontificate. We have a team to rebuild. We need to learn from our mistakes and move on.

Goldeagle
12-11-2006, 05:58 PM
We also need to get over all the could'a - should'a - would'a's and move on. It's easy enough to go back and pick Julius Peppers over David Carr, Anyone over Travis Johnson, Bush or Young over Mario Williams, etc. but it's not gonna make it happen.

Let the talking heads talk and the pundits pontificate. We have a team to rebuild. We need to learn from our mistakes and move on.


You have to look forward as you say, this year was a good draft and those guys will only get better.

ridn4_8
12-11-2006, 06:19 PM
Hind sight is 20/20...

For anyone to say that takin VY in the draft would have been a great choice, really must have their head in the sand. Who's to say that Vinnie would not have the same probs as being rushed and sacked that DC isn't seeing every Sunday? Granted, he may be able to scramble a little better than Carr and maybe come up with a few big plays...but can anyone say this for certain?

It was mentioned earlier, that, perhaps Kubes was a good O-coordinator because of Elway...Elway made him what he is today. I doubt anyone who agrees with that statement was a Bronco fan at that time. I was, and I can say from first hand experience, we all hated Elway because he sucked in the beginning. The other thing I'd like to point out is look at Denver's offense now, without Kubes....'Nuff said...

With regards to DC...well, I am a bit disappointed to say the least. One would think, at least some improvement would be shown...at least in the last 2 games. Unfortunately, I have still not seen this. Granted, it appears that the turnovers have dropped, but it appears that nothing has improved in his play. Perhaps this is the play calling coming from the sidelines, perhaps its DC's lack of confidence, perhaps its the fact that the pocket collapses before a play can develop (i.e. the deep routes), or maybe a combination of all three. Unfortunately, I don't know this and can only hope, at this time, that we see some positive improvements before the season's end....

shinerbock_girl
12-11-2006, 06:21 PM
You homers have been talking out of your arse all year long and you just got punked. Where are you now? What is the new Excuse Of The Week? Who are you blaming this week for Carr's unsatisfactory play and another huge and historic Texans loss?

Where are you at? Have you finally woken up to reality? Are you too busy trying to spin this into a positive or excuse? As long as we got ignorant homer fans, a clueless owner, and a very poor head coach in Kubiak we have a recipe for complete embarasssment.

When the loser organization drafted Mario they said it was to beat Peyton Manning. Well last time I checked, Vince has beaten Peyton almost twice already and David is 0-9 v. him. Mario sadly will probably never be an All-Pro and we passed on 2 possible Hall Of Famers to get him....congrats apologists, you have risen the bar to a new level....now come out and take your medicine and come out of hiding...

Yeah dude, Carr single handly lost this WHOLE game on his own...I seemed to remember our defense on the field when Young made that TD, not Carr...

Davebo
12-11-2006, 06:27 PM
[QUOTE=ridn4_8;533245]Hind sight is 20/20...

For anyone to say that takin VY in the draft would have been a great choice, really must have their head in the sand. Who's to say that Vinnie would not have the same probs as being rushed and sacked that DC isn't seeing every Sunday? Granted, he may be able to scramble a little better than Carr and maybe come up with a few big plays...but can anyone say this for certain?

I'd say that given the fact that Vince's O Line is really no better than David's that yes, he would do a better job avoiding sacks.

thunderkyss
12-11-2006, 06:46 PM
We also need to get over all the could'a - should'a - would'a's and move on. It's easy enough to go back and pick Julius Peppers over David Carr, Anyone over Travis Johnson, Bush or Young over Mario Williams, etc. but it's not gonna make it happen.

Let the talking heads talk and the pundits pontificate. We have a team to rebuild. We need to learn from our mistakes and move on.

This isn't shoulda woulda coulda..... this is I told you so.....

All the experts that said it would be 4 years before Vince would be able to have an impact on a game.. the experts who said vince can't take a snap from under center... the experts who said Vince lacks accuracy to make the throws he needs to make to be successful in the NFL..... the experts who said he can't run like that in the NFL.... the experts who said Vince can't carry a team.....

Not to mention a nyah... take that. to all the guys who laughed at the 6 wonderlich.... or about forgetting a suit.... or missing a flight.... or the guys who have a problem with the way he talks.....

This is a, "we'd be winning games, and selling out the stadium, with real butts in the seats had we drafted Vince Young"... "sportscenter would be talking about how smart the Texans are for passing on Reggie" had we drafted Vince Young......

you guys were soooo wrong about Vince, and what he can do in the NFL. It would be nice if more of you guys would say so.

But I'll admit you were right about one thing.

The fans in Houston think it is way too long to wait 4 years (or longer) for their QB to develop.

axman40
12-11-2006, 07:07 PM
What are you disagreeing with? Kubiak said it is too much to ask David Carr to take them to the Super Bowl. He didn't say that no quarterback is capable of doing that.
In your prior post you stated:
He is not like anyone who has come before him.
I am saying we have seen other QB's like VY that is all .
:fans:

El Amigo Invisible
12-11-2006, 07:54 PM
Can you imagine if Vince had a target like Andre?????:stirpot:

AndreRulz
12-11-2006, 08:00 PM
Can you imagine if Vince had a target like Andre?????:stirpot:

yes it would have been amazing even though we still wouldnt have a o-line or defense, vince would help win some games.:aikido: :secret: :mario:

Wolf
12-11-2006, 08:02 PM
Can you imagine if Vince had a target like Andre?????:stirpot:

he did and his name was Roy Williams :stirpot:

also had a cedrick Benson.

Ihategeeks
12-11-2006, 09:24 PM
Maybe David can succeed somewhere else.. Detroit, Tampa Bay, Green Bay, Pittsburg.... but his days in Houston are numbered.

Ignoring for a second you put succeed and Detroit in the same sentence
We don't want him. We already had a QB who was scared to death of throwing deep.

audibles
12-11-2006, 11:38 PM
Bradshaw... is... a bit more celebral than Vince.



(Edited for brevity.)

This made me laugh. I don't think I've EVER seen anyone refer to Bradshaw as "cerebral"... especially in comparison to another QB. LOL

VY's Crib U Jus payn Rent
12-12-2006, 12:29 AM
You homers have been talking out of your arse all year long and you just got punked. Where are you now? What is the new Excuse Of The Week? Who are you blaming this week for Carr's unsatisfactory play and another huge and historic Texans loss?

Where are you at? Have you finally woken up to reality? Are you too busy trying to spin this into a positive or excuse? As long as we got ignorant homer fans, a clueless owner, and a very poor head coach in Kubiak we have a recipe for complete embarasssment.

When the loser organization drafted Mario they said it was to beat Peyton Manning. Well last time I checked, Vince has beaten Peyton almost twice already and David is 0-9 v. him. Mario sadly will probably never be an All-Pro and we passed on 2 possible Hall Of Famers to get him....congrats apologists, you have risen the bar to a new level....now come out and take your medicine and come out of hiding...

That Photo is a classic - I think you should frame it and send it to Boob McNair. Vince back in his house doing his thing!

Second Honeymoon
12-12-2006, 12:59 AM
Bradshaw, Staubach, Montana and Elway are all a bit more celebral than Vince. Bradshaw, Staubach, Elway, Montana knew the strategy aspects of the game inside out and backwards. They could read defenses and pick them apart all without any help from an offensive coordinator.

You have to admit Vince wins with his athletic ability. Vince isn't a rocket scientist. But you are right, Vince Young is a leader.

Maybe that explains Kubiak... with Elway at QB, any offensive coordinator looks good.

Translation: Vince is black thus he is not as smart as the white QBs given in my example.

Nice stealth racism hiding behind objectivity.

El Amigo Invisible
12-12-2006, 12:57 PM
he did and his name was Roy Williams :stirpot:

also had a cedrick Benson.
I was talking about the NFL:shades:

Are you comparing Andre to Roy Williams???? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I like Roy but I will talk Andre any day of the week!!!

El Amigo Invisible
12-12-2006, 12:58 PM
David Carr would be perfect for Chicago !!! I promise

Texans86
12-12-2006, 01:01 PM
The Texans are a joke. Plain and simple. This football team sucks more than the Baylor Bears. And that is saying something..

OOO...that hurts...maybe bacause it hits way to close to home. Why am I doomed to follow the Baylor Bears and the Houston Texans?

HOU-TEX
12-12-2006, 01:03 PM
David Carr would be perfect for Chicago !!! I promise

LOL! As what? Waterboy?

TheCD
12-12-2006, 03:43 PM
You homers have been talking out of your arse all year long and you just got punked. Where are you now? What is the new Excuse Of The Week? Who are you blaming this week for Carr's unsatisfactory play and another huge and historic Texans loss?

Where are you at? Have you finally woken up to reality? Are you too busy trying to spin this into a positive or excuse? As long as we got ignorant homer fans, a clueless owner, and a very poor head coach in Kubiak we have a recipe for complete embarasssment.

When the loser organization drafted Mario they said it was to beat Peyton Manning. Well last time I checked, Vince has beaten Peyton almost twice already and David is 0-9 v. him. Mario sadly will probably never be an All-Pro and we passed on 2 possible Hall Of Famers to get him....congrats apologists, you have risen the bar to a new level....now come out and take your medicine and come out of hiding...


People like you make me sick. Where were you when David was playing extremely well and leading the league in passer rating? Over in the corner saying "passer ratings don't matter!"?

Yeah...whatever. Call yourself a fan all you want but you have nothing but hatred for this franchise and will never be a true fan. Go root for the Titans and the Saints and leave us true fans alone. :texan:


And just as an FYI...Drew Brees is the reason that the Saints have turned around. Reggie Bush has had 2 good games this season.

Vinny
12-12-2006, 03:46 PM
um, passer rating doesn't matter. Didn't Carr have a better rating than VY this weekend?

TexansSeminole
12-12-2006, 03:48 PM
People like you make me sick. Where were you when David was playing extremely well and leading the league in passer rating? Over in the corner saying "passer ratings don't matter!"?

Yeah...whatever. Call yourself a fan all you want but you have nothing but hatred for this franchise and will never be a true fan. Go root for the Titans and the Saints and leave us true fans alone. :texan:


And just as an FYI...Drew Brees is the reason that the Saints have turned around. Reggie Bush has had 2 good games this season.

Ya but what were the Texans doing? Losing. I dont give a damn about passer rating if we can't win. :ok:

TheCD
12-12-2006, 03:48 PM
um, passer rating doesn't matter. Didn't Carr have a better rating than VY this weekend?

Say what you want...he was still playing extremely well. And if passer ratings didn't matter, then guys like Steve Young wouldn't have set numerous passer ratings records while going on to win a championship.

Vinny
12-12-2006, 03:49 PM
Say what you want...he was still playing extremely well. And if passer ratings didn't matter, then guys like Steve Young wouldn't have set numerous passer ratings records while going on to win a championship.
wake up dude....his passer rating didn't win anything. It was his clutch performances. They don't give out passer rating championships.

TexansSeminole
12-12-2006, 03:49 PM
Say what you want...he was still playing extremely well. And if passer ratings didn't matter, then guys like Steve Young wouldn't have set numerous passer ratings records while going on to win a championship.

Key phrase..."while going on to win a championship".

That's cool and all...but if your QB can post good completion percentage and passer rating but can't throw touchdowns or win games it really does not matter.

TheCD
12-12-2006, 03:53 PM
You guys need to learn to take the good with the bad.

Does passer rating mean everything? No. Is it a worthwhile statistic? Yes. Otherwise it wouldn't exist. Were we winning games when Carr was leading the league? Not many. Is he the only player on the team? Was he out there when our defense continually choked on every long ball? No.


You guys need to realize that the problem is bigger than Carr. A QB does not single-handedly win games. Carr hasn't been the best QB, no. But he's done a servicable job on a team that's had no direction for 4 years.

HOU-TEX
12-12-2006, 03:55 PM
Say what you want...he was still playing extremely well. And if passer ratings didn't matter, then guys like Steve Young wouldn't have set numerous passer ratings records while going on to win a championship.

That's hilarious! When has he played "extremely well"? OK, he played decent against second team talent and against the prevent defense when games were already decided.:)

TexansSeminole
12-12-2006, 03:57 PM
You guys need to realize that the problem is bigger than Carr. A QB does not single-handedly win games. Carr hasn't been the best QB, no. But he's done a servicable job on a team that's had no direction for 4 years.

You need to realize that a QB that can't throw touchdowns won't win many games.

TheCD
12-12-2006, 04:01 PM
That's hilarious! When has he played "extremely well"? OK, he played decent against second team talent and against the prevent defense when games were already decided.:)

The same could be said for Mr. Sage Rosenfels...but everyone wants to ride that horse to the sunset...


My point is that I hate it when people whine and moan about "their team" and then act like they care about that team. I wasn't happy at first with the Mario pick either...but I got over it. You people need to get over your delusional fantasies of Reggie Bush and Vince Young dawning the Battle Red, because it ain't gonna happen. That ship has sailed; live with it.

If you're unhappy with Carr, then fine. That's youre right as well. But when you come out here and start degrading on the people that actually support him, that is where I draw the line as a fan. Anyone who does this is not a fan, and does not care about their team. True fans support not only their teams but their fellow fans. Those who insult me or call me out simply because I haven't written in lately to defend Carr aren't fans.

Sorry...I don't care how many season tickets you hold. You're simply not a fan.

bayshorebevo
12-12-2006, 04:02 PM
When you never pass the ball more than 2 yds past the line of scrimmage and spend most of your time handing off, you will have an excellent QB rating. In our case, it means nothing except that the plays are called to not allow anything bad to happen because a ball is never thrown downfield. Unfortunately, you can't win a game like that unless the opponent is Oakland.

Honoring Earl 34
12-12-2006, 04:04 PM
I think pressure from the fans has'nt affected the Texans FO until now . There's fans who wanted VY and the Texans said no . There's fans who wanted RB and the Texans said no . You can bet your last buck that Bob will listen now . Because at the end of the day its about $$$$$$.

Second Honeymoon
12-12-2006, 04:08 PM
That's hilarious! When has he played "extremely well"? OK, he played decent against second team talent and against the prevent defense when games were already decided.:)

exactly....geez some of these guys just dont get it.

Second Honeymoon
12-12-2006, 04:09 PM
The same could be said for Mr. Sage Rosenfels...but everyone wants to ride that horse to the sunset...


My point is that I hate it when people whine and moan about "their team" and then act like they care about that team. I wasn't happy at first with the Mario pick either...but I got over it. You people need to get over your delusional fantasies of Reggie Bush and Vince Young dawning the Battle Red, because it ain't gonna happen. That ship has sailed; live with it.

If you're unhappy with Carr, then fine. That's youre right as well. But when you come out here and start degrading on the people that actually support him, that is where I draw the line as a fan. Anyone who does this is not a fan, and does not care about their team. True fans support not only their teams but their fellow fans. Those who insult me or call me out simply because I haven't written in lately to defend Carr aren't fans.

Sorry...I don't care how many season tickets you hold. You're simply not a fan.


no, your point is that its never David's fault and its everyone elses fault...same crud we have been listening to forever

well while you continue to blame everyone but David, we will continue to voice our honest opinions as fans of the Texans

OT - Oh and on a side note, I only have 5 clients in my business (yeah i know im slacker). Guess what, all 5 of them have season tickets to the Texans and 4 of them are not renewing their season tickets next year. Only two of the guys know each other, nor are they as an active a fan as myself. The only guy who is renewing is renewing SOLELY because its one of the few things him and his son do together as he is divorced from that child's mother. These defections will start to show in McNair's pocketbook and in the Q rating for the advertisers. Believe me, McNair and his partners are not very happy right now. The phones are lighting up just like they did in the offseason and the letters to management are being fired off left and right. You may not think that 5 out 6 fans defecting means anything to McNair, but when you add up all the tickets together that means that 17 out of 20 seats will not be renewed. Oh and if you are looking to buy a PSL for 14th row endzone tickets (gotta buy all 4 licenses), send me a private message.

TexansSeminole
12-12-2006, 04:10 PM
no, your point is that its never David's fault and its everyone elses fault...same crud we have been listening to forever

well while you continue to blame everyone but David, we will continue to voice our honest opinions as fans of the Texans

I've got to agree...some people will never judge him until he's got the AFC pro bowl team around him. Doubt that will ever happen though, he'd have to make the pro bowl for that.

HOU-TEX
12-12-2006, 04:11 PM
The same could be said for Mr. Sage Rosenfels...but everyone wants to ride that horse to the sunset...


My point is that I hate it when people whine and moan about "their team" and then act like they care about that team. I wasn't happy at first with the Mario pick either...but I got over it. You people need to get over your delusional fantasies of Reggie Bush and Vince Young dawning the Battle Red, because it ain't gonna happen. That ship has sailed; live with it.

If you're unhappy with Carr, then fine. That's youre right as well. But when you come out here and start degrading on the people that actually support him, that is where I draw the line as a fan. Anyone who does this is not a fan, and does not care about their team. True fans support not only their teams but their fellow fans. Those who insult me or call me out simply because I haven't written in lately to defend Carr aren't fans.

Sorry...I don't care how many season tickets you hold. You're simply not a fan.

I'm going to assume you were directing this to someone else. :)

TopTexanFan16
12-12-2006, 04:11 PM
Translation: Vince is black thus he is not as smart as the white QBs given in my example.

Nice stealth racism hiding behind objectivity.

You know i have seen numerous posts where you always lay down the race card. Every argument you have toward anyone is the exact same thing you always say, yet it still doesnt make sense. It is really aggrevating when the best thing you can come up with to put down someones post is that they are 1) a racist 2) a homer or 3) love carr and his "stupid" father. like you would say. please and i beg you please come up with some logical arguments.

TheCD
12-12-2006, 04:11 PM
When you never pass the ball more than 2 yds past the line of scrimmage and spend most of your time handing off, you will have an excellent QB rating. In our case, it means nothing except that the plays are called to not allow anything bad to happen because a ball is never thrown downfield. Unfortunately, you can't win a game like that unless the opponent is Oakland.

I know you're being sarcastic with the 2-yard LOS remark...but let's get serious for a moment, please. Has Kubiak ever said that it's been a problem that Carr doesn't throw down the field enough? I know very well that a coach wants to stretch a defense, but if Kubiak were upset with Carr for this...you think he'd mention something about it. My contention is that Kubiak doesn't trust the line more than he doesn't trust David.


And on another note...can anyone tell me the status on how the o-line has been doing since we lost the key starters? Seems to me that David lost his confidence (or whatever) as soon as these guys went down. I think he doesn't trust the linemen from the previous era, and that's why he hasn't taken any chances. Am I right?

TexansSeminole
12-12-2006, 04:14 PM
I know you're being sarcastic with the 2-yard LOS remark...but let's get serious for a moment, please. Has Kubiak ever said that it's been a problem that Carr doesn't throw down the field enough? I know very well that a coach wants to stretch a defense, but if Kubiak were upset with Carr for this...you think he'd mention something about it. My contention is that Kubiak doesn't trust the line more than he doesn't trust David.


And on another note...can anyone tell me the status on how the o-line has been doing since we lost the key starters? Seems to me that David lost his confidence (or whatever) as soon as these guys went down. I think he doesn't trust the linemen from the previous era, and that's why he hasn't taken any chances. Am I right?

You really think that Kubiak would go to the media booth and start talking about how Carr has an problem with throwing the ball downfield. That would be stupid of Kubiak on many different levels. Plus Kubiak is a LOYAL guy...and doesn't seem like he would place blame publically on people before blaming himself.

TheCD
12-12-2006, 04:15 PM
no, your point is that its never David's fault and its everyone elses fault...same crud we have been listening to forever

well while you continue to blame everyone but David, we will continue to voice our honest opinions as fans of the Texans


Maybe you misunderstood me. I'm not saying David isn't to blame. I've said in other posts that he's been playing badly. There's no hiding behind that. But I still think he deserves a chance. When we hired Kubiak I decided to give him a two year window to show improvement. Year 1 is almost up. If he doesn't perform better by next year, then I will entirely understand if we move on without him.

But right now there's just too many factors coming into play that aren't his fault. If Kubiak is still fine with him as the QB then I am too...he's worked with plenty of hall-of-famers to know how to bring ability out of someone.

TheCD
12-12-2006, 04:16 PM
You really think that Kubiak would go to the media booth and start talking about how Carr has an problem with throwing the ball downfield. That would be stupid of Kubiak on many different levels. Plus Kubiak is a LOYAL guy...and doesn't seem like he would place blame publically on people before blaming himself.


Yes...yes I do. The same way he did with Mario when he was underperforming. Put pressure on them to play.

powerfuldragon
12-12-2006, 04:18 PM
Owen Daniels For Starting Qb

TexansSeminole
12-12-2006, 04:19 PM
Yes...yes I do. The same way he did with Mario when he was underperforming. Put pressure on them to play.

It is one thing to publically announce that a player of yours needs to step it up and play better. It is another to call out a player's inability to preform, especially if its throwing the ball downfield when the player plays QB.

That would be like Kubiak helping the other team out on their gameplan. It would also make his players trust him less.

HOU-TEX
12-12-2006, 04:21 PM
I know you're being sarcastic with the 2-yard LOS remark...but let's get serious for a moment, please. Has Kubiak ever said that it's been a problem that Carr doesn't throw down the field enough? I know very well that a coach wants to stretch a defense, but if Kubiak were upset with Carr for this...you think he'd mention something about it. My contention is that Kubiak doesn't trust the line more than he doesn't trust David.
?

He hasn't actually pointed DC out, but here are some quotes which lead one to believe DC had the chance to go downfield but didn't.

we had a chance to make a big play on the go-route to (WR) Andre (Johnson) versus man free. That play can be a difference in the game, we had a big play to make to (TE) Owen (Daniels) coming out of our own end zone (that) could have been an 85 yard big play and we donít make that play.

we had a couple of chances the other day. We caught them in the coverages we wanted in a man-standpoint; had a chance to make a couple big plays, and we just didnít make them.Ē

I'm sure there's more, but these are good enough.:)

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=3193&section=N%20Latest%20News

TheCD
12-12-2006, 04:24 PM
He hasn't actually pointed DC out, but here are some quotes which lead one to believe DC had the chance to go downfield but didn't.





I'm sure there's more, but these are good enough.:)

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=3193&section=N%20Latest%20News



Thanks for the input. These do show that Kubiak sees that either the line isn't giving Carr enough time or that Carr didn't see the receivers when they were open.

It is one thing to publically announce that a player of yours needs to step it up and play better. It is another to call out a player's inability to preform, especially if its throwing the ball downfield when the player plays QB.

That would be like Kubiak helping the other team out on their gameplan. It would also make his players trust him less.


I disagree with you here. You see David not throwing the ball downfield as a flaw that he cannot fix. Whereas I see it as either him simply not taking the chances or gameplanning. I think this is definitely fixable, and I think that Kubiak would call Carr out if he didn't think that Carr was taking the chances that he should be.

Second Honeymoon
12-12-2006, 04:29 PM
You know i have seen numerous posts where you always lay down the race card. Every argument you have toward anyone is the exact same thing you always say, yet it still doesnt make sense. It is really aggrevating when the best thing you can come up with to put down someones post is that they are 1) a racist 2) a homer or 3) love carr and his "stupid" father. like you would say. please and i beg you please come up with some logical arguments.

I call it like I see it. Pure and simple. Feel free to disagree as it is both of our rights as fans to have differing opinions. If you are naive enough to think Carr would still be here in Year5 if he was black and everything else was the same, that is your opinion. Personally, I am sick of the excuses, the coddling, and the apologist culture...but keep cheering and making excuses for Carr, maybe you will be lucky enough to have him back for 2 more years of bad, unentertaining, and losing football.

Second Honeymoon
12-12-2006, 04:32 PM
Maybe you misunderstood me. I'm not saying David isn't to blame. I've said in other posts that he's been playing badly. There's no hiding behind that. But I still think he deserves a chance. When we hired Kubiak I decided to give him a two year window to show improvement. Year 1 is almost up. If he doesn't perform better by next year, then I will entirely understand if we move on without him.

But right now there's just too many factors coming into play that aren't his fault. If Kubiak is still fine with him as the QB then I am too...he's worked with plenty of hall-of-famers to know how to bring ability out of someone.

It's called 5 straight years of chances....if that aint good enough for you, so be it. In the NFL, 5 years is an eternity for a QB to develop...but your entitled to your opinion and so am I. Feel free to continue to make excuses and claim that Carr just hasn't had a 'chance'. Personally, I think that is laughable at best.

HOU-TEX
12-12-2006, 04:33 PM
Thanks for the input. These do show that Kubiak sees that either the line isn't giving Carr enough time or that Carr didn't see the receivers when they were open.

I disagree with you here. You see David not throwing the ball downfield as a flaw that he cannot fix. Whereas I see it as either him simply not taking the chances or gameplanning. I think this is definitely fixable, and I think that Kubiak would call Carr out if he didn't think that Carr was taking the chances that he should be.

OK, there we go! We both agree that the Oline and the QB must be addressed in the offseason, correct? If the Carr can be repaired, so be it. If not replace it with a brand new shiny one. Repaired or replaced, I don't care, as long as it can win some races for us.:)

Second Honeymoon
12-12-2006, 04:34 PM
It is one thing to publically announce that a player of yours needs to step it up and play better. It is another to call out a player's inability to preform, especially if its throwing the ball downfield when the player plays QB.

That would be like Kubiak helping the other team out on their gameplan. It would also make his players trust him less.

If you dont think every Defensive Coordinator doesnt know this already you must not realize how much game film and tendencies are analyzed. Kubiak would only be stating what everyone else already knows.

TexansSeminole
12-12-2006, 04:35 PM
If you dont think every Defensive Coordinator doesnt know this already you must not realize how much game film and tendencies are analyzed. Kubiak would only be stating what everyone else already knows.

I mean while that is true it would still be a pretty dumb statement.

Nawzer
12-12-2006, 04:38 PM
People like you make me sick. Where were you when David was playing extremely well and leading the league in passer rating? Over in the corner saying "passer ratings don't matter!"?



You guys need to realize that the problem is bigger than Carr. A QB does not single-handedly win games. Carr hasn't been the best QB, no. But he's done a servicable job on a team that's had no direction for 4 years.

So which one is it? Is he an excellent player or just a serviceable player?

Second Honeymoon
12-12-2006, 04:43 PM
I mean while that is true it would still be a pretty dumb statement.

I agree that Kubiak should not just announce Carr can't throw downfield to the world. However, he also knows that opposing DC's already know it and gameplan accordingly.

Man, I am sick of arguing over the same BS for 5 years now. It's the same old excuses year after year. Some people think Carr will be good for some reason. I don't happen to be one of them. I want the Texans to win just as much as anyone else, I just happen to feel it will never happen with Carr as our QB. I just want to win and its obvious Carr doesnt have the will or the ability to win. If he told Kubiak 'its up to you coach' on the whole kneeldown BS, that tells me all I need to know about him. I guarantee that his teammates know all they need to know as well....

hugs to all the Texans fans, homer or not

Goldeagle
12-12-2006, 05:42 PM
I just want to win and its obvious Carr doesnt have the will or the ability to win. If he told Kubiak 'its up to you coach' on the whole kneeldown BS, that tells me all I need to know about him. I guarantee that his teammates know all they need to know as well....
hugs to all the Texans fans, homer or not


I remembere Sage being asked if he was going to start after the Titans game and he said. "well, Im just here to do what the coach wants, back up or starting."

Seems to me that Kubiak has told his players, HE MAKES THE DECISIONS not them.

TexansSeminole
12-12-2006, 05:44 PM
I remembere Sage being asked if he was going to start after the Titans game and he said. "well, Im just here to do what the coach wants, back up or starting."

Seems to me that Kubiak has told his players, HE MAKES THE DECISIONS not them.

He could just be happy he is earning the money he is and to keep his job he does what the boss wants.

I hope Kubiak makes the decisions....pretty sure all head coaches do though.

Goldeagle
12-12-2006, 05:53 PM
He could just be happy he is earning the money he is and to keep his job he does what the boss wants.

I hope Kubiak makes the decisions....pretty sure all head coaches do though.


Heh, Sage or Carr?

TheCD
12-12-2006, 06:02 PM
So which one is it? Is he an excellent player or just a serviceable player?


If you noticed...I said a servicable job for 4 years. This is his 5th. The season is not over and the jury is still out on this year. Regardless of what you might think, he played well the first half of the year, end of story. I had said he played well in the beginning, and that the "Carr Haters" were only found to be crying that passer rating doesn't matter. The second half he has obviously not played as well. I'm not delusional in thinking that Carr is the greatest QB ever...but at least for our team's sake, I hope we don't dump him off and go with someone else who won't win next year anyways. We'll be paying him regardless, and we might as well be putting that money to use rather than add it to the Dead Money Charity Fund we already have going.

But anytime a QB is thrown into a new system he deserves 2 years to show what he can do. If this offseason shows that we draft a QB in the 2-3 round as insurance on Carr, then fine. But Kubiak is still satisfied with Carr thus far, and I have no reason to believe he'll be gone next year.

Carr may never be the superstar and Tom Brady or Peyton Manning is...but I think he should get a shot at not playing catch-up if the offense doesn't score in a drive or two.

srstex
12-12-2006, 06:31 PM
I posted stats earlier that should shine a light, Manning gets sacked 5% of the time a pass is attempted, Brady, and the Titans QB's Collins & Vince combined ( Although Collins sack % was lower ) about 6%, while Carr is at 9%, and the Oakland QB's at 16%, I know stat haters will have a hissy, but this proves how poor our o-line is. Kerry Collins couldn't out run my wife, and he was only being sacked 5% of the time. And for those who want to say look at Vince, remember we also have the Worst Ranked Defense in the NFL. OOH he must be god, he can beat the worst.
I will be watching next draft, and next pre-season, and next season, and I will route for MY TEAM, no-matter who the QB.
( I also reserve the right to vent when I don't get my way.:crying:

SESupergenius
12-12-2006, 07:30 PM
It's called 5 straight years of chances....if that aint good enough for you, so be it. In the NFL, 5 years is an eternity for a QB to develop...but your entitled to your opinion and so am I. Feel free to continue to make excuses and claim that Carr just hasn't had a 'chance'. Personally, I think that is laughable at best.
romo was a 4 year backup before he finally got his chance. what exactly are you basing this on?

El Amigo Invisible
12-12-2006, 07:36 PM
Reggie MCNeal for starting QB!!!

TopTexanFan16
12-12-2006, 10:03 PM
I call it like I see it. Pure and simple. Feel free to disagree as it is both of our rights as fans to have differing opinions. If you are naive enough to think Carr would still be here in Year5 if he was black and everything else was the same, that is your opinion. Personally, I am sick of the excuses, the coddling, and the apologist culture...but keep cheering and making excuses for Carr, maybe you will be lucky enough to have him back for 2 more years of bad, unentertaining, and losing football.

Wow....you sir are the biggest hypocrit on this board.....not one time in my post did i defend or bash David Carr but yet somehow i am a naive fan. but yet i am a naive fan while you say were are both allowed to have differing opinions so in your mind set you to sir are also a naive fan. you say the saem crap everytime. and yes i do think he would still be here iif we drafted a black QB that HAD the same potential as david carr. and again not once in my post did i even mention the name dacid carr, please read my posts before you just come back saying the same contradicting crap.

thunderkyss
12-13-2006, 09:35 AM
He hasn't actually pointed DC out, but here are some quotes which lead one to believe DC had the chance to go downfield but didn't.


we had a chance to make a big play on the go-route to (WR) Andre (Johnson) versus man free. That play can be a difference in the game, we had a big play to make to (TE) Owen (Daniels) coming out of our own end zone (that) could have been an 85 yard big play and we donít make that play.
Quote:
we had a couple of chances the other day. We caught them in the coverages we wanted in a man-standpoint; had a chance to make a couple big plays, and we just didnít make them.Ē


I'm sure there's more, but these are good enough.:)

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=3193&section=N%20Latest%20News

On the first two you pointed out, David did chunk the ball in the direction we wanted to go..... Andre on the first, and Owen on the second. We didn't make those plays....... more because the recievers didn't make the plays...... Andre didn't pull the ball in, and Owen stopped running his route.

real
12-13-2006, 09:41 AM
I had said he played well in the beginning, and that the "Carr Haters" were only found to be crying that passer rating doesn't matter.

I guess Kubiak is a "Carr Hater" then....

HOU-TEX
12-13-2006, 09:45 AM
On the first two you pointed out, David did chunk the ball in the direction we wanted to go..... Andre on the first, and Owen on the second. We didn't make those plays....... more because the recievers didn't make the plays...... Andre didn't pull the ball in, and Owen stopped running his route.

I agree with the one to AJ. Maybe I was thinking of a different play with Owen. There was a play which our QB dumped it off while having Owen wide open down the middle of the field. The QB had more than enough time to make the throw. That would be the play I thought Kubiak was refering to.:)

thunderkyss
12-13-2006, 09:47 AM
Regardless of what you might think, he played well the first half of the year, end of story. I had said he played well in the beginning, and that the "Carr Haters" were only found to be crying that passer rating doesn't matter.

No.... passer rating doesn't matter, if you aren't placing the ball where it needs to be.... In every game this year, he's been underthrowing & throwing behind our recievers when he should be leading them. Passes that weren't caught, that could've been touchdowns against Philly, Indy, Washington, Miami...... true enough, nobody completes all their attempts.. but when you throw downfield so little, everyone will be scrutinized.

Indy.... he put the ball on the turf 3 times.... the first two, on our opening possesions........ putting us down by 10 early in the game.

Washington..... plays stalled because of the passing game, you can't see that by looking at the numbers, but fumbles in the passing game, incomplete passes, and sacks killed every drive, even though his numbers were "good"

Miami, we only won, because Miami's offense was as bad as ours.

Then Dallas..... another poor offense, moving sideways.

I will give David credit for the Miami & Dallas game in so far as the running game was non-existant, and we were one dimensional from the start.

But watching those games, you've got serious problems if you think David played well..... much less excellent.

thunderkyss
12-13-2006, 10:02 AM
I posted stats earlier that should shine a light, Manning gets sacked 5% of the time a pass is attempted, Brady, and the Titans QB's Collins & Vince combined ( Although Collins sack % was lower ) about 6%, while Carr is at 9%, and the Oakland QB's at 16%, I know stat haters will have a hissy, but this proves how poor our o-line is. Kerry Collins couldn't out run my wife, and he was only being sacked 5% of the time. And for those who want to say look at Vince, remember we also have the Worst Ranked Defense in the NFL. OOH he must be god, he can beat the worst.
I will be watching next draft, and next pre-season, and next season, and I will route for MY TEAM, no-matter who the QB.
( I also reserve the right to vent when I don't get my way.:crying:

Stats are stats.... what we need to see, is how many times did a defender get into the backfield vs how many times Peyton was sacked. My point is that there are a dozen things the QB can do to avoid a sack. throw the ball away..... throw the ball to a reciever..... get out of the pocket....... etc...

Then I'd like to see how many throwing plays are called after those other QBs get sacked vs. the number of throwing plays we call after our QB gets sacked.

& I think the Titans have the worst defense in the league....... not the Texans.

real
12-13-2006, 10:06 AM
Stats are stats.... what we need to see, is how many times did a defender get into the backfield vs how many times Peyton was sacked. My point is that there are a dozen things the QB can do to avoid a sack. throw the ball away..... throw the ball to a reciever..... get out of the pocket....... etc...


Not only that....But there are some things that good QB's notice pre-snap that help them better avoid pressure....IMO, David always seems oblivious to where the pressure is coming from...