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ComstockLode
12-11-2006, 12:16 AM
Saw the replay after the TD, and these were the words out of his mouth....

Thank you texans front office. No matter what team he played for....it became his house.

Also from Al Michaels posing as a texans fan: "if i were a Texans fans I would be asking what the hell is our management doing."

ComstockLode
12-11-2006, 12:20 AM
But man david carr is so efficient.

ComstockLode
12-11-2006, 12:22 AM
How many receptions would reggie bush have if he played for the texans????

200?

Titan "Tack" Fan
12-11-2006, 12:25 AM
After what Vince did today and what Reggie did tonight, it's a bad day for the Texans.

Not to mention during the LSU/Texas basketball broadcast on ESPN tonight, Dick Vitale said about 10 times "what were the Texans thinking? They could have had Vince Young or Reggie Bush!!"

hot pickle
12-11-2006, 12:28 AM
i don't wanna be hated on this one, but i think its time for everyone to realize that the texans made a big big mistake, but im still gonna support them, but please dont do it again


as of right now i realize that it was a mistake, and bush or vince would of been a better choice


GO TEXANS

hot pickle
12-11-2006, 12:31 AM
i hope i can regret what i just said in the next couple years, but as of right now it was a big big big big mistake

Titan "Tack" Fan
12-11-2006, 12:34 AM
I feel sorry for Texans fans. It's not you guys' fault. You don't make these decisions. You pay people to make these decisions.

I really wish it was better for you guys, I do.

Grid
12-11-2006, 12:37 AM
eh.. there isnt a team in the league that cant look back and say "Boy we really screwed the pooch by not taking that guy"..

It happens. The only reason that its a "big deal" with VY is because he was a Houston guy and the UT fans have to wear loose pants when they watch him play.

It will pass when we start winning... here is what we need to do.

1) Draft a young QB for Kubiak to groom
2) Sign another good Olineman and draft a couple more
3) Get a FS to help out our struggling CBs
4) Trade David Carr as soon as we feel our rookie can take the reins
5) Get Mario some help on the Dline.
6) Re-sign our young star players.

That should be our strategy coming into the offseason, and into next year.

ESAD2-14
12-11-2006, 12:39 AM
I feel sorry for Texans fans. It's not you guys' fault. You don't make these decisions. You pay people to make these decisions.

I really wish it was better for you guys, I do.

In one form or another, so do we.

ComstockLode
12-11-2006, 12:40 AM
eh.. there isnt a team in the league that cant look back and say "Boy we really screwed the pooch by not taking that guy"..

It happens. The only reason that its a "big deal" with VY is because he was a Houston guy and the UT fans have to wear loose pants when they watch him play.

It will pass when we start winning... here is what we need to do.

1) Draft a young QB for Kubiak to groom
2) Sign another good Olineman and draft a couple more
3) Get a FS to help out our struggling CBs
4) Trade David Carr as soon as we feel our rookie can take the reins
5) Get Mario some help on the Dline.
6) Re-sign our young star players.

That should be our strategy coming into the offseason, and into next year.

Or:

1. Dont resign david carr
2. Draft vince young

Then our team is automatically much better, but here is the next step IMO:

1. Draft Adrian Peterson
2. Sign O-linemen
3. Sign free agent QB
4. Sign DT's/draft a DT
5. Find competent safeties

ComstockLode
12-11-2006, 12:42 AM
eh.. there isnt a team in the league that cant look back and say "Boy we really screwed the pooch by not taking that guy"..

It happens. The only reason that its a "big deal" with VY is because he was a Houston guy and the UT fans have to wear loose pants when they watch him play.

It will pass when we start winning... here is what we need to do.

1) Draft a young QB for Kubiak to groom
2) Sign another good Olineman and draft a couple more
3) Get a FS to help out our struggling CBs
4) Trade David Carr as soon as we feel our rookie can take the reins
5) Get Mario some help on the Dline.
6) Re-sign our young star players.

That should be our strategy coming into the offseason, and into next year.

What you are missing is: It isnt like passing on any player....this is the biggest miss for two reasons both I am sure of:

1. Vince young will win championships
2. He plays for the titans who left houston.

rockabilly
12-11-2006, 12:42 AM
When I saw Young say that...the rage ran through me. I dont care where he was born or where he played college football for a team that plays mostly crappy teams all season, if you are not in a Texans uniform...it isn't your house. Him saying that made me hate him...i took offense. I didnt want Vince at the draft and I still dont want him now.

I still would take Bush.

Hookem Horns
12-11-2006, 12:45 AM
eh.. there isnt a team in the league that cant look back and say "Boy we really screwed the pooch by not taking that guy"..

It happens. The only reason that its a "big deal" with VY is because he was a Houston guy and the UT fans have to wear loose pants when they watch him play.

It will pass when we start winning... here is what we need to do.

1) Draft a young QB for Kubiak to groom
2) Sign another good Olineman and draft a couple more
3) Get a FS to help out our struggling CBs
4) Trade David Carr as soon as we feel our rookie can take the reins
5) Get Mario some help on the Dline.
6) Re-sign our young star players.

That should be our strategy coming into the offseason, and into next year.

Dude, it's not going to pass until VY retires or is out of the league for whatever reason. There won't be another VY coming around the corner anytime soon. I don't care who we end up with. This team royally effed up and so many of us fans were screaming this BEFORE they did it. I firmly believe the Texans would be where the Titans are right now if they would have drafted VY. Titans players saying that his vibe and attitude just makes them all want to run through a wall says it all. I am not convinced the Titans are that much more talented than the Texans. You saw what they looked like without VY, pathetic.

I need a puking smilie.

Grid
12-11-2006, 12:45 AM
Or:

1. Dont resign david carr
2. Draft vince young

Then our team is automatically much better, but here is the next step IMO:

1. Draft Adrian Peterson
2. Sign O-linemen
3. Sign free agent QB
4. Sign DT's/draft a DT
5. Find competent safeties

While you are back there in last season's draft, buy me some google stock. Oh, and then go back and introduce your parents to condoms.



As for your keys to success. We are rebuilding, we arent trying to get those last couple wins to make it to the playoffs. We need to draft our key players so that we arent rebuilding again in 3 - 4 years.

K.D.
12-11-2006, 12:53 AM
I'm sick of hearing what our FO wouda,couda, shoudda did. They made a pick that they thought was what we needed and I for one agree. Just becuz the guy is not having a pro-bowl year doesn't make the pick a bad one. It's so easy for people, fans,media to say how stupid we were to take Mario, but these are the same people who base their opinions solely on stats and personal feelings. Don't get me wrong, VY is on a good roll and RB is starting to come around, but our pick is going to have his time to shine. It might not happen until we are a complete team but it will happen. Once we get a stud DT or maybe 2, Mario is going to be a stud. He can't do it all by himself but with legit linemen by his side, I have no doubt he will be what we expect him to be. Just my opinion,tho.

Titan "Tack" Fan
12-11-2006, 12:55 AM
As for your keys to success. We are rebuilding, we arent trying to get those last couple wins to make it to the playoffs. We need to draft our key players so that we arent rebuilding again in 3 - 4 years.

You can only play the rebuilding card for so long. Look at the Titans, Jets, and Saints. The Texans can't be rebuilding cause they don't have anything to "rebuild."

I would say the Texans are still "building."

False Start
12-11-2006, 12:56 AM
VY is who we thought he was !! You wanna crown him ! CROWN HIS ASS ! :D

Really though , I give his props . he did what I figured he was gonna do . Hes good . He was the man today ! Now though , I must become a Vince Hater . I was neutral on him before this but now ....... I can no longer like the guy . I'm not being a sore loser , I'm just being a true Texan fan , and that's hard to do right about now . I will not give up on my team .

Grid
12-11-2006, 12:58 AM
You can only play the rebuilding card for so long. Look at the Titans, Jets, and Saints. The Texans can't be rebuilding cause they don't have anything to "rebuild."

I would say the Texans are still "building."

Well yah we are still "building" :D.

Its more "rebuilding" to us because our past coaching staff tried to pass off this team as built in thier final year.. we were expecting at least an 8-8 season and ended up 2-14.

So, to us its "rebuilding" because we are undoing all the mistakes of the past staff, and trying to fix it.

ulsaint
12-11-2006, 12:58 AM
I'm sick of hearing what our FO wouda,couda, shoudda did. They made a pick that they thought was what we needed and I for one agree. Just becuz the guy is not having a pro-bowl year doesn't make the pick a bad one. It's so easy for people, fans,media to say how stupid we were to take Mario, but these are the same people who base their opinions solely on stats and personal feelings. Don't get me wrong, VY is on a good roll and RB is starting to come around, but our pick is going to have his time to shine. It might not happen until we are a complete team but it will happen. Once we get a stud DT or maybe 2, Mario is going to be a stud. He can't do it all by himself but with legit linemen by his side, I have no doubt he will be what we expect him to be. Just my opinion,tho.

Mario Williams at his best, which in my opinion will be a slightly above average DE, will never amount to anything that VY or RB will be.

Saying anything other, is blind homerism.

kfranco_utexas
12-11-2006, 12:58 AM
When I saw Young say that...the rage ran through me. I dont care where he was born or where he played college football for a team that plays mostly crappy teams all season, if you are not in a Texans uniform...it isn't your house. Him saying that made me hate him...i took offense. I didnt want Vince at the draft and I still dont want him now.

I still would take Bush.

He IS a Texan. He grew up less than 6 miles from the stadium/astrodome.

If anything, HE IS A TEXAN, not Californian Carr.


Remember... VINCE>USCalifornia.

:yes:

travfrancis
12-11-2006, 01:07 AM
eh.. there isnt a team in the league that cant look back and say "Boy we really screwed the pooch by not taking that guy"..

It happens. The only reason that its a "big deal" with VY is because he was a Houston guy and the UT fans have to wear loose pants when they watch him play.

It will pass when we start winning... here is what we need to do.

I wouldn't count on that, you know the Titans are in our division right?

ToroFan
12-11-2006, 01:07 AM
While you are back there in last season's draft, buy me some google stock. Oh, and then go back and introduce your parents to condoms.



As for your keys to success. We are rebuilding, we arent trying to get those last couple wins to make it to the playoffs. We need to draft our key players so that we arent rebuilding again in 3 - 4 years.

Exactly...the New Orleans Saints had the number 2 pick last year and they are still rebuilding...oh wait

Well the Tennessee Titans just ran off their longtime QB, it will take awhile for them to come close to beating the division leaders, the Colts...oh nevermind

I think we need to give Carr at least a decade to prove himself. It's not fair to him to let him go before that. Afterall he is playing for the minimum wage, he deserves that much. :ok:

rockabilly
12-11-2006, 02:31 AM
He IS a Texan. He grew up less than 6 miles from the stadium/astrodome.

If anything, HE IS A TEXAN, not Californian Carr.


Remember... VINCE>USCalifornia.

:yes:

Again. I don't care where he grew up. Mr and Mrs Young could of conceived him in the Bull Pen for all I care. He may be a texan...but he is not a Texan. It's not his house and I can not wait till next year for a shot to knock his burnt orange ass out.

Grid
12-11-2006, 02:41 AM
Nothing says reasonable and educated person like thick sarcasm. (hah.. irony?)

anyway


I wouldn't count on that, you know the Titans are in our division right?

Yes, but if we werent struggling at QB, we wouldnt care about VY. Give us our own VY and it will go back to the way it was, with just a few UT homers whining about how they wanted thier man-crush in steel blue, and they are gonna take thier toys and go to tennessee if we dont draft <insert latest UT star>.

Exactly...the New Orleans Saints had the number 2 pick last year and they are still rebuilding...oh wait

And that number 2 pick has been responsible for what, 1 win? maybe 2.. i dunno.. whatever the case.. thier status this year is 99% due to Drew Brees, Marques Colston, thier new head coach, and having an established team with established depth. The Saints had a huge offseason.. Bush has been a footnote up to now.

Well the Tennessee Titans just ran off their longtime QB, it will take awhile for them to come close to beating the division leaders, the Colts...oh nevermind

Yes.. props to them for picking VY, and turning Travis Henry into a solid back. I have no idea how they are winning games with thier talent, but they are doing it. Maybe VY has a lot to do with it, I dunno. Either way.. im not sure what your point is with this comment.

I think we need to give Carr at least a decade to prove himself. It's not fair to him to let him go before that. Afterall he is playing for the minimum wage, he deserves that much.

Is this intended to be funny? Cause i dont know of anyone who would actually laugh at that. It certainly wasnt constructive criticism.. so it must be you just showing your ass. Congrats on being a jerk.

run-david-run
12-11-2006, 02:51 AM
Anyone notice the time VY had in the pocket much of today? What am I thinking, that would require people to stop gushing over Vince and acctually watch the game....anyway, maybe, and this might be a strech, consistantly getting time to throw deep and open up holes for the running game would be a more realitic way to help the team then builing a time machine and going back to April 24th...just saying.... build a damn O-line and give your QB, whoever it is, time to throw the ball!

Anyone else see the irony that DC's first pass attempt as a Texan was a bomb downfield and first completion a TD over the middle to a TE?

Janus3
12-11-2006, 02:51 AM
i don't wanna be hated on this one, but i think its time for everyone to realize that the texans made a big big mistake, but im still gonna support them, but please dont do it again


as of right now i realize that it was a mistake, and bush or vince would of been a better choice


GO TEXANS

how so? because we don't have reggie "1 td" bush until tthe last 2 weeks? we don't have vince "i can only play in the 4th quarter" young? we got mario williams. he's a solid young linemen who's had flashes of brilliance but has a nagging injury. coem back in 3 years when young is the next michael vick, bush is the next westrbook and williams is the next peppers, then you can say was a mistake.

Janus3
12-11-2006, 02:53 AM
What you are missing is: It isnt like passing on any player....this is the biggest miss for two reasons both I am sure of:

1. Vince young will win championships
2. He plays for the titans who left houston.

VY will never win a championship. that's a fact. his playbook is a coloring book for crying out loud.

Shader
12-11-2006, 02:56 AM
Grid, you admitted in another thread that you didn't know who Vince Young was until draft preparation time. That's pretty pathetic. Obviously you care nothing about college so stop criticizing people for liking Young.

Honestly, why would a Houston native be a Texans fan? What have the Texans done to deserve it?

All the old Oilers became Titans. The Houston Oilers ARE the Tennessee Titans. Vince Young, Texas biggest star, plays for the Titans.

Which is why half of Houston will be Titans fans for the next 15 years. So much for a home field advantage.

texaslifter
12-11-2006, 02:59 AM
VY will never win a championship. that's a fact. his playbook is a coloring book for crying out loud.

Vince Young has won a championship at every level hes played on. He has absorbed a Norm Chow playbook that is as demanding as they come. And last but not least, its still football, where straight up athleticism reigns supreme.

travfrancis
12-11-2006, 03:00 AM
Yes, but if we werent struggling at QB, we wouldnt care about VY. Give us our own VY and it will go back to the way it was, with just a few UT homers whining about how they wanted thier man-crush in steel blue, and they are gonna take thier toys and go to tennessee if we dont draft <insert latest UT star>.

You still don't get it. Our own VY? Good luck finding another one of those.

ComstockLode
12-11-2006, 03:03 AM
VY will never win a championship. that's a fact. his playbook is a coloring book for crying out loud.

If this is true then:

1. Vince Young beats the texans learning from a coloring book.
2. Vince Young has beaten the colts with a coloring book more times than the texans have.
3. Vince Young won a national championship with a coloring book.

Maybe if he had a cool playbook he could learn to checkdown on every single play and have a 70 percent completion percentage while losing 90 percent of his games....

Janus3
12-11-2006, 03:03 AM
You still don't get it. Our own VY? Good luck finding another one of those.

qb's averaging 135 ypg with a 64 qb rating are a dime a dozen. shouldn't be that hard.

ComstockLode
12-11-2006, 03:07 AM
While you are back there in last season's draft, buy me some google stock. Oh, and then go back and introduce your parents to condoms.



As for your keys to success. We are rebuilding, we arent trying to get those last couple wins to make it to the playoffs. We need to draft our key players so that we arent rebuilding again in 3 - 4 years.

How about this.

I would rather have one competitive season and have to rebuild for three years, then build for five years straight. And while I am introducing my parents to condoms, maybe someone could introduce you the basics of football 101. Maybe football for dummies. Maybe even to what is called the lower levels of football. Maybe even how to evaluate talent.

Most importantly, maybe someone could explain to you the definitions of the words competitive and winning. Maybe you could talk to vince and his coloring books and he could draw you a picture of what it looks like.

ComstockLode
12-11-2006, 03:08 AM
qb's averaging 135 ypg with a 64 qb rating are a dime a dozen. shouldn't be that hard.

Yeah I much rather prefer 70 percent passing with -5 passing yards.

Janus3
12-11-2006, 03:10 AM
Yeah I much rather prefer 70 percent passing with -5 passing yards.

ok, i don't know where you were trying to go with this, but yeah, if that's what you want.

sessamoid
12-11-2006, 03:14 AM
ok, i don't know where you were trying to go with this, but yeah, if that's what you want.
Hey, you're the one getting a stiffy for pointless statistics. The only statistic that counts is the "W".

Janus3
12-11-2006, 03:16 AM
Hey, you're the one getting a stiffy for pointless statistics. The only statistic that counts is the "W".

i agree, the w is what matters, but the previous poster stated there will never be another like vince, and the fact of teh matetr is, yes, there will be, and god willing, he won't be a texan.

sessamoid
12-11-2006, 03:32 AM
i agree, the w is what matters, but the previous poster stated there will never be another like vince, and the fact of teh matetr is, yes, there will be, and god willing, he won't be a texan.

Tell you what. Why don't you hold your breath and wait for the next Vince Young to hit the league?

Janus3
12-11-2006, 03:37 AM
Tell you what. Why don't you hold your breath and wait for the next Vince Young to hit the league?

you mean the next qb that has a losing record? one who averages 130 ypg? one who plays so-so but his moronic fanbase treat him as a god? well shoot, there are plenty. that was easy

Grid
12-11-2006, 03:38 AM
Grid, you admitted in another thread that you didn't know who Vince Young was until draft preparation time. That's pretty pathetic. Obviously you care nothing about college so stop criticizing people for liking Young.

Honestly, why would a Houston native be a Texans fan? What have the Texans done to deserve it?

All the old Oilers became Titans. The Houston Oilers ARE the Tennessee Titans. Vince Young, Texas biggest star, plays for the Titans.

Which is why half of Houston will be Titans fans for the next 15 years. So much for a home field advantage.

Shader, you dont have to be a Texans fan. If you dont feel that they deserve your "fandom" then dont be a fan.. but get off the board. This is for Texans fans, and if all you are here to do is be disrespectul and troll, then you arent welcome.

Grid
12-11-2006, 03:44 AM
I would rather have one competitive season and have to rebuild for three years, then build for five years straight.

I dont think you are alone in that one champ. Here is another profound thought, id rather be a millionaire than homeless.

I know what point you were trying to make though.. win now, rebuild afterwards. Sorry but that kind of logic doesnt float in the long term. Its like getting a flat tire then driving around for 6 months on a donut. It may save you some money, but you will regret it in the long run.

Basicly.. they will lose more fans in the long run if they win for one season, then have to go through 5 more years of rebuilding.. spend a year or two on it now, and then win for 5.. and you will gain your fanbase back, and some lifelong fans in the process.

Toughen up suzy, its gonna be a long winter.

ComstockLode
12-11-2006, 04:02 AM
That is just stating fact :D:stirpot:

If you have a forest fire, and you burn down part of the forest to rob the wildfire of fuel.. are you an arsonist?

Look, I understand that you guys are that post more religiously on this board are tired of the same rehashed stuff over and over.

I get that.

But call a spade a spade.

David Carr is not a winner with the texans. Some people just win games. No matter what happens, when you watch certain players you are surprised when they dont do something special. Vince is one of those guys. I saw it when he was in high school. I saw it when he was in college. When he recently had a bad game and cost the titans a game tears came into his eyes, and vowed that he would never play like that again, and how terrible he felt to let the team down.

He has that drive to win. Nothing else matters to him. You saw it in elway, montana, and most recently in tom brady. The attitude is what makes him special, and that is something I was looking forward to having in a texan uniform. An attitude that expects to win no matter the circumstances.

Until the attitudes change in the lockerroom and on the field, we will never get there.

Steve McKinney is the biggest example of this. Listening to him talk is a joke. He isnt in the NFL to win championships, he is in it to collect a paycheck and put forth some effort.

GNTLEWOLF
12-11-2006, 04:18 AM
I'm sick of hearing what our FO wouda,couda, shoudda did. They made a pick that they thought was what we needed and I for one agree. Just becuz the guy is not having a pro-bowl year doesn't make the pick a bad one. It's so easy for people, fans,media to say how stupid we were to take Mario, but these are the same people who base their opinions solely on stats and personal feelings. Don't get me wrong, VY is on a good roll and RB is starting to come around, but our pick is going to have his time to shine. It might not happen until we are a complete team but it will happen. Once we get a stud DT or maybe 2, Mario is going to be a stud. He can't do it all by himself but with legit linemen by his side, I have no doubt he will be what we expect him to be. Just my opinion,tho.

IMHO Mario was not a bad pick....just not good enough to be the first overall pick of the draft. I think the frustration comes from knowing that of all the options open to any team with the #1 pick, we chose a guy who may one day be good, but can never possibly live up to the #1 overall pick. There are many, myself included who believe that Vince or Reggie could have been that player.

Nevimeister
12-11-2006, 06:32 AM
You're the Texans. You've got options to draft Vince Young, Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart or D'Brickashaw Ferguson. Mario Williams should be down at about #5 on your draft boards. You have the top selection at the top of round 2 and the top 2 of round 3 so you have options to draft a lot of help on defense to rebuild. There are teams clammering to trade up to the #1 spot for a shot at Reggie Bush, as was displayed when he was passed up. Why do you sit at #1 and pay the top money in the draft when you could have traded down, got additional picks and still got him and paid him less? This has to go down as one of the worst draft day decisons of all time. This is probably worse than trading 2nd and 3rd round draft choices for Philip Buchanon. If you can't see that you need a new front office, then you're dellusional

brewhaus
12-11-2006, 06:53 AM
i don't wanna be hated on this one, but i think its time for everyone to realize that the texans made a big big mistake, but im still gonna support them, but please dont do it again


as of right now i realize that it was a mistake, and bush or vince would of been a better choice


GO TEXANS

The Texans did not make a mistake. VY won how many?.......7 games? Wow, should we send him to Canton now?

HJam72
12-11-2006, 07:15 AM
You're the Texans. You've got options to draft Vince Young, Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart or D'Brickashaw Ferguson. Mario Williams should be down at about #5 on your draft boards. You have the top selection at the top of round 2 and the top 2 of round 3 so you have options to draft a lot of help on defense to rebuild. There are teams clammering to trade up to the #1 spot for a shot at Reggie Bush, as was displayed when he was passed up. Why do you sit at #1 and pay the top money in the draft when you could have traded down, got additional picks and still got him and paid him less? This has to go down as one of the worst draft day decisons of all time. This is probably worse than trading 2nd and 3rd round draft choices for Philip Buchanon. If you can't see that you need a new front office, then you're dellusional

You don't understand what the situation was. The Texans wanted to trade down and tried repeatedly. The largest fan base last offseason for the Texans also wanted a trade down. I wanted it REALLY BAD. They tried and tried to do that. The offers were rediculous. They tried to get somebody to offer what that pick was worth, and tried some more. Finally, the last team in a position to want it enough to offer enough (Jets) refused to even talk anymore. The trade possiblity was over.

Now, moving on to the actual draft, I DID NOT want to take Williams #1 overall. I agree with you there. He's a good player and he'll be great (relatively speaking), but he wasn't worth passing VY and RB, not to mention Leinart. I still have some remaining doubts (however small) about Bush--he's the greatest slot receiver EVER (by a long distance), but, well, you see the running back numbers. It depends on how you look at it with him. I've defended Carr many times (although I won't bother anymore), but they were stupid for giving Carr that extension, especially when they had VY begging them to come to Houston.

Mostly, I wish that trade down could've happened, but it just wasn't there.

brewhaus
12-11-2006, 07:29 AM
You don't understand what the situation was. The Texans wanted to trade down and tried repeatedly. The largest fan base last offseason for the Texans also wanted a trade down. I wanted it REALLY BAD. They tried and tried to do that. The offers were rediculous. They tried to get somebody to offer what that pick was worth, and tried some more. Finally, the last team in a position to want it enough to offer enough (Jets) refused to even talk anymore. The trade possiblity was over.

Now, moving on to the actual draft, I DID NOT want to take Williams #1 overall. I agree with you there. He's a good player and he'll be great (relatively speaking), but he wasn't worth passing VY and RB, not to mention Leinart. I still have some remaining doubts (however small) about Bush--he's the greatest slot receiver EVER (by a long distance), but, well, you see the running back numbers. It depends on how you look at it with him. I've defended Carr many times (although I won't bother anymore), but they were stupid for giving Carr that extension, especially when they had VY begging them to come to Houston.

Mostly, I wish that trade down could've happened, but it just wasn't there.

I wonder if Troy Smith will be available when the Texans pick in the draft this coming year?

TNTitan
12-11-2006, 08:46 AM
ok, i don't know where you were trying to go with this, but yeah, if that's what you want.

sheesh, theres a bonehead on every msg board

cbnjwill
12-11-2006, 09:02 AM
its his house and the texans organiztion is his personal biatch. vy is the man and all the haters on the message board should bow down after yesterday

Hulk75
12-11-2006, 09:17 AM
But man david carr is so efficient.

Go Longhorns!

real
12-11-2006, 09:21 AM
I love Mario.....I think Mario is going to be a beast....

But we screwed that pick up...We didn't get the best value we could have gotten out of it....

Even if we were still losing if we had Bush or Young....The games would be a lot more fun to watch....

OzzO
12-11-2006, 09:31 AM
For an immediate impact, yeah - incorrect first selection as VY and Bush will touch the ball more than Mario. For long term impact, well that has yet to be decided.

To win one game in an opposing team's stadium, not sure if that makes it "his house". Maybe he can have a bathroom or something for now.

Tale Gator
12-11-2006, 09:38 AM
For an immediate impact, yeah - incorrect first selection as VY and Bush will touch the ball more than Mario. For long term impact, well that has yet to be decided.

To win one game in an opposing team's stadium, not sure if that makes it "his house". Maybe he can have a bathroom or something for now.

Well he has the key to the city so I imagine VY can come and go as he pleases. ;)

Sportsfan
12-11-2006, 09:39 AM
Vince deserves to say that. Yesterday it was his house, he owned the Texans and all of Reliant Stadium. The dude played like a true champion.

DRIFTAWAY
12-11-2006, 10:13 AM
qb's averaging 135 ypg with a 64 qb rating are a dime a dozen. shouldn't be that hard.

its not about the stat, he's not a great qb but hes a good qb improving each week, but when it comes down to making a play when it counts the most, 9 out of 10 times, Vince Young will make that play.

BigWig
12-11-2006, 10:17 AM
He was just practicing for his upcoming commercial for Under armour and you guys are all upset.:stirpot:

humbleone
12-11-2006, 10:28 AM
Even stars make mistakes...but it was stupid for him to go off like that regardless of his emotions.

The Texans D will make snot bubbles come out of this guy next year after having to watch that ending over and over. There are just some things you don't do and this is one of them.

Interestingly, Young did do a nice job of trying to tone all that stuff down after the game and said some nice and respectfull stuff about that "this is going to be a good rivalry...Houston is heading in the right direction etc..." but it is too late for me and I suspect every member of the Texans defense and coaching staff. :hunter:

Texan_Bill
12-11-2006, 10:37 AM
This may be Vince Youngs house, but I don't blame the Texans... We all knew that the product on the field is sub-standard, so you can't blame them the same way you can't blame a dog, for being a dog... Ya can't blame the GM and the HC, they are both in their first season dealing with the ineptness of the previous regime.

I blame the fans that wore their TU gear. I blame the fans that wore Tack gear.... Way to make an opposing QB (and yes, thats what VY is, is an enemy QB) feel comfortable... Weak ***** fans!!!

After that :rant: I will get off of my :soapbox:

real
12-11-2006, 10:38 AM
Even stars make mistakes...but it was stupid for him to go off like that regardless of his emotions.

The Texans D will make snot bubbles come out of this guy next year after having to watch that ending over and over. There are just some things you don't do and this is one of them.

Interestingly, Young did do a nice job of trying to tone all that stuff down after the game and said some nice and respectfull stuff about that "this is going to be a good rivalry...Houston is heading in the right direction etc..." but it is too late for me and I suspect every member of the Texans defense and coaching staff. :hunter:

This is the funniest thing I've ever heard.....

You guys have that David Carr mentality....Lets tip-toe around and hope we don't wake the beast....

BigWig
12-11-2006, 10:42 AM
Did anyone notice that Madison HS colors were almost Oiler like?(they showed it on tv) He was destined to be a Titan.

humbleone
12-11-2006, 10:47 AM
This is the funniest thing I've ever heard.....

You guys have that David Carr mentality....Lets tip-toe around and hope we don't wake the beast....

Glad you enjoyed it and you are entitled to express your opinion of fans that see the world differently than you as you wish...so here is another one that you will enjoy and please remember this post next year...

VY crossed the line this Sunday and if "Houston is his house", then it is going to become a house of pain. This was worse than the cowgirls declairing themselves to be "America's team".

Go Texans! :aikido:

Titan "Tack" Fan
12-11-2006, 12:07 PM
you mean the next qb that has a losing record? one who averages 130 ypg? one who plays so-so but his moronic fanbase treat him as a god? well shoot, there are plenty. that was easy

Vince Young is 6-4. You need to think before you post....

real
12-11-2006, 12:12 PM
Glad you enjoyed it and you are entitled to express your opinion of fans that see the world differently than you as you wish...so here is another one that you will enjoy and please remember this post next year...

VY crossed the line this Sunday and if "Houston is his house", then it is going to become a house of pain. This was worse than the cowgirls declairing themselves to be "America's team".

Go Texans! :aikido:

The problem is that it seems the fans care more than the players....

Heck....Half the players that played on sunday won't even be here next year....

TEXANSTAILGATER
12-11-2006, 12:17 PM
It's not about Car LOL

19-10
12-11-2006, 12:36 PM
Glad you enjoyed it and you are entitled to express your opinion of fans that see the world differently than you as you wish...so here is another one that you will enjoy and please remember this post next year...

VY crossed the line this Sunday and if "Houston is his house", then it is going to become a house of pain. This was worse than the cowgirls declairing themselves to be "America's team".

Go Texans! :aikido:

I totally agree. Who didn't want Vince? It would have been incredible but for real Texans fans he is now the enemy. You simply cannot be a Texans fan and root for VY. The two are mutually exclusive.

BigBull17
12-11-2006, 12:44 PM
qb's averaging 135 ypg with a 64 qb rating are a dime a dozen. shouldn't be that hard.

First of all QB rating needs to be thrown into a gabage disposal. Second, N.O was a pretty good team befor the debacle last year and had most of the pieces in play but needed better coaching and QB play. It is a shame but Carr needs to move on and have a career in a new city, Green Bay or KC, or somewhere eles that has an older QB and they have time to groom for a year. We dont necesarrly(sp) need a 1st round Qb, but a restricted FA (....cough Matt Schaub cough....) and build a team around him. Just my :twocents:

real
12-11-2006, 12:45 PM
I totally agree. Who didn't want Vince? It would have been incredible but for real Texans fans he is now the enemy. You simply cannot be a Texans fan and root for VY. The two are mutually exclusive.

I root for VY.....

And I'm a Texan fan....


Sue me...

Nawzer
12-11-2006, 12:58 PM
I totally agree. Who didn't want Vince? It would have been incredible but for real Texans fans he is now the enemy. You simply cannot be a Texans fan and root for VY. The two are mutually exclusive.

Who are you to tell me what makes a Texans fan? I root for VY but I'm a diehard Texans fan. I felt like throwing up after seeing VY run into the endzone. It was devastating to loose that game. I want to see VY do well because I've followed his career since his Madison High days. He's a special player and we all saw that on display yesterday. Most of you guys who are blasting VY fans fail to understand the concept that you can like a player outside of your team and there's nothing wrong with that. For example, when it comes to basketball I'm rooting for guys like Rashard Lewis, Emeka Okeafor, AI, Steve Francis etc., to do well because I'm a fan. It doesn't make me any less of a Rockets fan. I've always rooted for Roger Clemens when he was with the Yankees so does that make me a bad Astros fan??? I wanna see those players do well but I want my team to win. It's as simple as that. Some of you guys are taking this way too personally. It's just a game afterall not real life.

19-10
12-11-2006, 01:05 PM
I root for VY.....

And I'm a Texan fan....


Sue me...

No your not. Your an NFL fan. Need a link your other post stating so??

real
12-11-2006, 01:07 PM
No your not. Your an NFL fan. Need a link your other post stating so??

Way to prove me wrong.

19-10
12-11-2006, 01:08 PM
Who are you to tell me what makes a Texans fan? I root for VY but I'm a diehard Texans fan. I felt like throwing up after seeing VY run into the endzone. It was devastating to loose that game. I want to see VY do well because I've followed his career since his Madison High days. He's a special player and we all saw that on display yesterday. Most of you guys who are blasting VY fans fail to understand the concept that you can like a player outside of your team and there's nothing wrong with that. For example, when it comes to basketball I'm rooting for guys like Rashard Lewis, Emeka Okeafor, AI, Steve Francis etc., to do well because I'm a fan. It doesn't make me any less of a Rockets fan. I've always rooted for Roger Clemens when he was with the Yankees so does that make me a bad Astros fan??? I wanna see those players do well but I want my team to win. It's as simple as that. Some of you guys are taking this way too personally. It's just a game afterall not real life.




Agree to disagree there pads. In my way of thinking you simply can't have it both ways. That leaves too much room to jump ship and bandwagon a winner. We see things differently that's all.

real
12-11-2006, 01:10 PM
Agree to disagree there pads. In my way of thinking you simply can't have it both ways. That leaves too much room to jump ship and bandwagon a winner. We see things differently that's all.

So I guess when you argue with a loved one, after the argument you have to go on hating them....

19-10
12-11-2006, 01:15 PM
So I guess when you argue with a loved one, after the argument you have to go on hating them....

Where is this going? I thougt we were talking about football. But to answer you, yes I do go on hating them. How dare a loved one argue with me :yes:

real
12-11-2006, 01:17 PM
Where is this going? I thougt we were talking about football. But to answer you, yes I do go on hating them. How dare a loved one argue with me :yes:

:ok:

Orion
12-11-2006, 01:24 PM
I root for VY.....

And I'm a Texan fan....


Sue me...

So, do I,,,,,,,,,,he was amazing.....

vince young for mayor of @@@##$$!!!(this is a joke).....lol....not too funny !

real
12-11-2006, 01:25 PM
vince young for mayor of houston!!! = going too far


:)

Orion
12-11-2006, 01:33 PM
joking, joking, just trying to wake people up this morning......If you take a huge step back, this is all hilarious, like some long joke of a dream, unfortunately that we won't be able to wake up from, but a joke none the less, so i choose to just laugh when i think that we could actually be rooting for vince young as a houston texans qb.....thats hilarious ....hahahahahahahahahaha....have a good day bro's and sista's....

Grid
12-11-2006, 02:20 PM
Look, I understand that you guys are that post more religiously on this board are tired of the same rehashed stuff over and over.

I get that.

But call a spade a spade.

David Carr is not a winner with the texans. Some people just win games. No matter what happens, when you watch certain players you are surprised when they dont do something special. Vince is one of those guys. I saw it when he was in high school. I saw it when he was in college. When he recently had a bad game and cost the titans a game tears came into his eyes, and vowed that he would never play like that again, and how terrible he felt to let the team down.

He has that drive to win. Nothing else matters to him. You saw it in elway, montana, and most recently in tom brady. The attitude is what makes him special, and that is something I was looking forward to having in a texan uniform. An attitude that expects to win no matter the circumstances.

Until the attitudes change in the lockerroom and on the field, we will never get there.

Steve McKinney is the biggest example of this. Listening to him talk is a joke. He isnt in the NFL to win championships, he is in it to collect a paycheck and put forth some effort.



Well I already said last week that Carr needs to go.. I dont support him as our QB anymore. I still think hes a great guy, and I hate that we have to let him go, but this franchise isnt going to win with him at the helm, and he isnt going to get support from the fanbase anymore.. that window of opportunity to be this franchises golden boy has come and gone.. he will have more success elsewhere.

Today (yesterday actually) I already ate my crow and said that VY is gonna be good, and that I wish we would have taken him. Unfortunately we cant go back in time so im not going to dwell on it. I like Mario Williams and I think he could be a playmaker, hopefully he will be. As for our issues at QB.. we need to draft someone.. we need a new face, and we need to see what Kubiak can do with an unblemished QB prospect. Im betting he can make another Elway. But again, VY does not enter the picture for me.. the past is the past and no amount of whining or finger pointing is gonna get VY on this team. Im much more interested in figuring out what young QB we CAN get.

I think you are right.. we lack a winning attitude in the lockerroom. When the going gets rough, we lay down and die. I think the best way to fix this problem is to bring in that young QB prospect.. a fresh face.. someone with lots of talent who doesnt yet realize that the NFL is a hard place to succeed in. We need some swagger.. and a playmaking QB can give it to us. It is what VY has done for the Titans.

Ckw
12-11-2006, 02:30 PM
Who are you to tell me what makes a Texans fan? I root for VY but I'm a diehard Texans fan. I felt like throwing up after seeing VY run into the endzone. It was devastating to loose that game. I want to see VY do well because I've followed his career since his Madison High days. He's a special player and we all saw that on display yesterday. Most of you guys who are blasting VY fans fail to understand the concept that you can like a player outside of your team and there's nothing wrong with that. For example, when it comes to basketball I'm rooting for guys like Rashard Lewis, Emeka Okeafor, AI, Steve Francis etc., to do well because I'm a fan. It doesn't make me any less of a Rockets fan. I've always rooted for Roger Clemens when he was with the Yankees so does that make me a bad Astros fan??? I wanna see those players do well but I want my team to win. It's as simple as that. Some of you guys are taking this way too personally. It's just a game afterall not real life.

Good points but what you fail to realize is the people most of us are attacking are not like you. They don't know where to draw the line between being a fan of your own team and being a fan of a player. When that player goes against your team, you support your own team or else you don't have the right to call yourself a true fan. A sports fan? Sure. But a true Texans fan? No and if you think you are, you're kidding yourself and wasting every true fan's time by posting on this message board. I'm fine with liking other players. I mean I like LT, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Larry Johnson, Brian Urlacher, etc. I am a sports fan, and I respect the abilities of other players that do no play for the Texans. But once or twice a year when those players play against my team, I want those guys that I like to fail. I want my team to win at all costs, even if it means a guy I like a whole lot plays poorly.

HJam72
12-12-2006, 08:51 AM
I can see it now. We trade Carr to Jax and he sucks there, but he helps Jax to OWN us 2 games a year. So, then we'd have 4 games a year that were automatic losses.

It's just the kind of thing that happens to this organizaion.

PS-Scrach that. 6 automatic losses, because we ain't beating Indy. We'd get swept by the whole division every year and top our 2-14 record by going 1-15 next year.

Nevimeister
12-12-2006, 08:59 AM
You don't understand what the situation was. The Texans wanted to trade down and tried repeatedly. The largest fan base last offseason for the Texans also wanted a trade down. I wanted it REALLY BAD. They tried and tried to do that. The offers were rediculous. They tried to get somebody to offer what that pick was worth, and tried some more. Finally, the last team in a position to want it enough to offer enough (Jets) refused to even talk anymore. The trade possiblity was over.

Now, moving on to the actual draft, I DID NOT want to take Williams #1 overall. I agree with you there. He's a good player and he'll be great (relatively speaking), but he wasn't worth passing VY and RB, not to mention Leinart. I still have some remaining doubts (however small) about Bush--he's the greatest slot receiver EVER (by a long distance), but, well, you see the running back numbers. It depends on how you look at it with him. I've defended Carr many times (although I won't bother anymore), but they were stupid for giving Carr that extension, especially when they had VY begging them to come to Houston.

Mostly, I wish that trade down could've happened, but it just wasn't there.

Ok, thanks for the informed opinion. As for Reggie Bush. He is an awesome slot receiver and a matchup nightmare. For those who are not watching Saints games he is absolutely changing the way defenses line up. We have a running play whereby the option is there for Reggie on the reverse or Deuce McAllister up the middle. Often a linebacker will follow Reggie and Deuce will take it up the middle. When they stop tracking Reggie to stop Deuce that's when Reggie gets the ball. Bush has 405 rushing yards 2 TDs and 687 receiving yards 4 TDs. That's 1092 yards over 13 games splitting time with McAllister. Facts are facts Bush has struggled significantly running the ball. But as holds true with Mario Williams, it does with Bush - he is just 21 years old. He has all the moves in the world and is the exact size of Tiki Barber. Barber didn't do much in his 1st 5 NFL seasons. Now he is an elite back. Watch out because Reggie Bush is going to be an elite back in this league running the ball. He has too much talent and athletic ability. Bush would have also turned some of those 5 yard dump off passes from Carr into big gains if you had drafted him. I sincerely feel sorry for Andre Johnson because I feel he is being wasted so much. In a team where they got him the ball he'd be easily a top 5 WR. I wish you luck with Mario Williams but I genuinly think this will go down as a huge draft day blunder

VY's Crib U Jus payn Rent
12-12-2006, 09:06 AM
eh.. there isnt a team in the league that cant look back and say "Boy we really screwed the pooch by not taking that guy"..

It happens. The only reason that its a "big deal" with VY is because he was a Houston guy and the UT fans have to wear loose pants when they watch him play.

It will pass when we start winning... here is what we need to do.

1) Draft a young QB for Kubiak to groom
2) Sign another good Olineman and draft a couple more
3) Get a FS to help out our struggling CBs
4) Trade David Carr as soon as we feel our rookie can take the reins
5) Get Mario some help on the Dline.
6) Re-sign our young star players.

That should be our strategy coming into the offseason, and into next year.

If Kubiak can't groom Carr what makes you think he can with another "young qb"?

Honoring Earl 34
12-12-2006, 09:41 AM
I like Mario but we added Weaver . So while getting a stud specimen at any position is a plus .... that one does'nt make the most impact .

I would have bet the farm we 'd draft Bush . We just shot ourselves in the foot ( did'nt know it at the time ) by resigning Carr , so we did'nt need a QB .

I think its not all that bad . Bob Mcnair loses from a business standpoint the most but we do have the foundation for a dominant defense . I say draft Adrian Peterson and Kolb/Smith in the 2nd ... scrap Carr and sign some FA's .

Show the fan base that we're not waiting on one guy . There was 4 games that could have gone either way and we dropped all four . If we win 3/4 we're 7-6 and still have a shot at a wildcard .