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Texans_Chick
12-07-2006, 10:31 AM
“It’s gonna be like a home game for Vince. He’s definitely going to have half that stadium or more cheering for him,” Hall said.

Teammate Bo Scaife, also a Texas teammate agreed, saying, “There will probably be a lot more No. 10 jerseys there than for their own team. He’s got the key to the city down there, man. He’s Houston’s prince. I think he’s bigger than everybody down there.”

Link: Nashvillecitypaper "Houston ready to welcome favorite son Young" (http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/index.cfm?section=43&screen=news&news_id=53580)

Puke.

real
12-07-2006, 10:32 AM
I think it's hilarious....

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 10:34 AM
I just threw up in my mouth racing for the trash receptacle.....

HOU-TEX
12-07-2006, 10:35 AM
I think it's kind of sad myself. Hey, it's typical for Houston though.:rolleyes:

Khari
12-07-2006, 10:36 AM
barf

Bamaborn-Texasbred
12-07-2006, 10:47 AM
I'll bet that if and when something goes terribly wrong for Vince, the crowd will give its' loudest cheers.

I'm a Texans fan. Vince can go dig a ditch for all I care. I loved the last few years of Longhorn football, but that is OVER. He isn't here, and nothing is going to change that. Show your true colors Houston football fans. Get on board or get to Nashville!

Double Barrel
12-07-2006, 10:49 AM
I will highly encourage everyone to cheer loudly for Vince when he's on the field.

Khari
12-07-2006, 10:52 AM
I will highly encourage everyone to cheer loudly for Vince when he's on the field.

on offense? :dance3:

Bamaborn-Texasbred
12-07-2006, 10:52 AM
I will highly encourage everyone to cheer loudly for Vince when he's on the field.

Can't take that advice. I'll be cheering for Mario, Demeco, Dunta, & co. Don't try to tell me you can do both either.

WhyIsItAlwaysNextYear
12-07-2006, 10:53 AM
This is getting almost comical! I like Vince, I went to see him play at the dome with Madison, and I even flew out to the Rose Bowl to see him bring the Horns back. But this Prince of the city mess is too much. Vince is very popular with horns fans and some casual fans but there are plenty of folks who could care less including some Texans fans. He is not Dr. Michael Debakey, or any true Houston heroes who save lives and make a real impact on a dailey basis. He is one hell of an athlete and a very humble and generous person but all this over the top love for VY like is enough to make the casual fan sick of him. That is not to say he is not an unbelievable athlete but some of this love is going way beyond football!

Double Barrel
12-07-2006, 10:55 AM
on offense? :dance3:

Of course. :shades:

Can't take that advice. I'll be cheering for Mario, Demeco, Dunta, & co. Don't try to tell me you can do both either.

heh-heh, I'm talking about getting all the Vince Young / Titans fans around you to cheer for Vince while he's playing. Of course we'll be cheering for our defense, but many of these bandwagonners won't know the difference and will happily cheer for Vince. ;)

[/subversive] :spy:

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 10:57 AM
I think it's kind of sad myself. Hey, it's typical for Houston though.:rolleyes:

Unfortunately, you are correct..... I wonder when the Colts come to town 20%, 30% or 50% of the fans will be cheering for Joseph Adai... Next time in 4 years when the Giants come here, cheering for Strahan?. :rolleyes:

Titan "Tack" Fan
12-07-2006, 10:57 AM
I'll be cheering for him from my couch

BigWig
12-07-2006, 11:02 AM
I live in Austin and the rumour is there are buses leaving here with tons of Vince fans wearing burnt orange # 10 jerseys to fill the stands.
Hmmmmmm somebody say conspiracy?

kfranco_utexas
12-07-2006, 11:04 AM
Are yall surprised? Of course there will be a ton of people with #10 jerseys. Heck even I went to the store yesterday to buy one.


There are more Longhorn fans than there are Texans fans. Anyone care to disagree?

kfranco_utexas
12-07-2006, 11:05 AM
"Unfortunately, you are correct..... I wonder when the Colts come to town 20%, 30% or 50% of the fans will be cheering for Joseph Adai... Next time in 4 years when the Giants come here, cheering for Strahan?"


Nope, its just the VY effect. He is Houston's king. Nuff said.

Titans309Fan
12-07-2006, 11:10 AM
This games reminds me somewhat of the Ravens-Titans game earlier this year. There were a lot of #9 jerseys in the stands, some blue, some purple.

McNair got a standing ovation from the crowd when he was introduced. But during the game, I am pretty sure the Titans-McNair fans in the crowrd weren't cheering for McNair and Mason when they scored the game winning TD.

Young is going to get a lot of cheers before the game starts. I just don't see the fans there going crazy for him during the game itself (though there will likely be more fans cheering for him than normal).

eriadoc
12-07-2006, 11:11 AM
No wonder the NFL didn't want to put another team in Houston.

Marcus
12-07-2006, 11:12 AM
I think it's kind of sad myself. Hey, it's typical for Houston though.:rolleyes:
Yes, very typical.

eriadoc
12-07-2006, 11:15 AM
Show your true colors Houston football fans.

I believe they are. That is what's so sad.

Ole Miss Texan
12-07-2006, 11:16 AM
Somebody said in another post if you're going to cheer or boo for VY. I know there are a lot of UT fans and thats fine it doesnt bother me if they cheer for him when he's introduced. I would find it disgusting if anyone booed him. VY didn't do anything to us or the city of houston. he declared early because he wanted to play for us, to boo him would be completely wrong. it would look really bad on the texans fans and houston. coincidely i can see espn talking about this game if it was a big game and making fun of the texans if it was louder for VY than the texans.

Dont boo, just cheer our defense and our offense a lot louder than the VY/titans fans. end of story.

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 11:17 AM
"Unfortunately, you are correct..... I wonder when the Colts come to town 20%, 30% or 50% of the fans will be cheering for Joseph Adai... Next time in 4 years when the Giants come here, cheering for Strahan?"


Nope, its just the VY effect. He is Houston's king. Nuff said.

Not 'nuff said.....

Born and raised here..... He aint my King.... At the very least, Strahan went to my High School (which at the time Madison was in my district).... So I don't like Vince on many levels....

Double Barrel
12-07-2006, 11:18 AM
This games reminds me somewhat of the Ravens-Titans game earlier this year. There were a lot of #9 jerseys in the stands, some blue, some purple.

Big difference because Vince was never a Texan. McNair was a franchise QB that your roadkill wearing owner threw to the side of the road (typical behavior, too).

No wonder the NFL didn't want to put another team in Houston.

Sadly, this is true. The 'boycott bandwagon' only reinforces the national view that Houston is a fair-weather sports city. Fortunately we have a billionaire football fanatic willing to put his money where his heart is and made it happen. Some nice way to give thanks....oh yeah, I'm "settling for medioctiry" and all that nonsense by being a football fanatic. Whatever.

I would find it disgusting if anyone booed him.

He's a freakin' TITAN!! I'm sure you like to cheer for your college rival's football players, yeah? I thought so...

Go to the game and be disgusted then. Young will be simultaneously cheered and booed.

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 11:19 AM
LOL why do people do that??? Do you get sick alot?

LOL.... I guess with the state of affairs of the Texans, some of our weak-Kneed 'fans', and some of the posts in other threads, I have developed acid reflux.

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 11:22 AM
There are more Longhorn fans than there are Texans fans. Anyone care to disagree?

LOL... Typical arrogant 'Sip response... Then again its that same arrogance that landed you in the Alamo Bowl this year... No wonder there's a national disdain for Texas University...

Double Barrel
12-07-2006, 11:24 AM
UT fans remind me of Yankee and Cowboys fans. I'm starting to root for A&M for no other reason than the enemy of my enemy is my friend. :howdy:

edo783
12-07-2006, 11:28 AM
No wonder the NFL didn't want to put another team in Houston.

And it would seem they were correct in their assesment of Houston and the fans there. Probably shouldn't have put one in Houston. To bad about McNair though. He walks out on a limb, puts up major dollars and what do the fans in Houston do at the first moement they are unhappy.....activly promote stabbing him and the team in the back. Absolutly disgusting attitude IMO.

kfranco_utexas
12-07-2006, 11:28 AM
Unfortunately the way many people in Texas look at it this way

Longhorns=Cowboys... Championships, loyal fan base, etc.
Aggies=Texans.... Mediocre at best.




Do I want the Texans to become popular...Of course I do, but managements dumb mistakes are costing this team fans. Plus, this team has done NOTHING to get fans. No playoffs, constant failures, sorry QB, etc.:cowboy1:

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 11:28 AM
UT fans remind me of Yankee and Cowboys fans. I'm starting to root for A&M for no other reason than the enemy of my enemy is my friend. :howdy:

I have two favorite Teams in Pro Football:
1) Texans
2) Anyone playing the Cowgurls

I have 4 favorite Teams in College Football:
1) A & M
2) U of H
3) SHSU
4) Anyone playing Texas University

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 11:30 AM
Unfortunately the way many people in Texas look at it this way

Longhorns=Cowboys... Championships, loyal fan base, etc.
Aggies=Texans.... Mediocre at best.




Do I want the Texans to become popular...Of course I do, but managements dumb mistakes are costing this team fans. Plus, this team has done NOTHING to get fans. No playoffs, constant failures, sorry QB, etc.:cowboy1:

LOL.... Longhorn and Cowgurls fans waiving a traitor avatar = "front runner" or "bandwaggoner" whichever you like..

kfranco_utexas
12-07-2006, 11:32 AM
P.S
I hate the Cowboys but I have to hand it to them. They know how to win.


Texans fans have nothing.

Go to Longhorn and Aggies message boards. hornfans and texags. BOTH make fun of the Texans. Everyone makes fun of "our" team. Heck even Texans fans do the smame, I cant blame them. Winning Cures EVERYTHING. Someone forgot to give that message to Bob.:brickwall

kfranco_utexas
12-07-2006, 11:33 AM
Keep on giving me bad rep. I appreciate it, y'all are not hurting my feelings.:rolleyes:

Vinny
12-07-2006, 11:33 AM
When the Texans make some big plays that place will come alive. If the Texans offense stinks it up we will hear tons of boos. Personally, I think the Texans will be able to move the ball on the Titans so it won't be a big issue if they take care of their business. If they don't...well, I don't think it will be pretty.

Vinny
12-07-2006, 11:35 AM
Keep on giving me bad rep. I appreciate it, y'all are not hurting my feelings.:rolleyes:

you seem to be bringing this on yourself...so you are driving that bus.

kingh99
12-07-2006, 11:36 AM
Link: Nashvillecitypaper "Houston ready to welcome favorite son Young" (http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/index.cfm?section=43&screen=news&news_id=53580)

Puke.

I feel good about selling my tickets and profitting off the VY worshippers. This one game paid for 1/3 of my season tickets. Thanks VY!

Want no part of the zoo this Sunday. It should be fairly nauseating. Watching from my chair.

Ole Miss Texan
12-07-2006, 11:39 AM
Big difference because Vince was never a Texan. McNair was a franchise QB that your roadkill wearing owner threw to the side of the road (typical behavior, too).



Sadly, this is true. The 'boycott bandwagon' only reinforces the national view that Houston is a fair-weather sports city. Fortunately we have a billionaire football fanatic willing to put his money where his heart is and made it happen. Some nice way to give thanks....oh yeah, I'm "settling for medioctiry" and all that nonsense by being a football fanatic. Whatever.



He's a freakin' TITAN!! I'm sure you like to cheer for your college rival's football players, yeah? I thought so...

Go to the game and be disgusted then. Young will be simultaneously cheered and booed.

College is completely different than the nfl... and if one of the highest touted qbs in the entire country that went to my highschool was starting his rookie season against my college team at our home stadium. i would support him before the game because he hasnt done anything to us. (except the fact that he picks his college, pros cant pick except for eli..:shades: ) but once the game started i would be cheering my team and hoping my team won...not booing the other player. thats a thing i like about the aggies..at least they used ...never boo its unsportsmanlike.but the do "ssssss" at the refs calls . lol

HOU-TEX
12-07-2006, 11:39 AM
I feel good about selling my tickets and profitting off the VY worshippers. This one game paid for 1/3 of my season tickets. Thanks VY!

Want no part of the zoo this Sunday. It should be fairly nauseating. Watching from my chair.

Enjoy it while you can. Come next season they'll probably be blacked out due to some of the infamous Houston sports fans bailing out.

kfranco_utexas
12-07-2006, 11:40 AM
People think I hate the Texans because I love VY. :rolleyes:

People are going to think im bragging but im not, honestly.

I'm sorry, but I had lunch with the guy a few times. Ive talked to the guy when he was on campus, I WENT TO THE SAME HIGH SCHOOL AS HE DID, and graduated one year later than him. Can yall understand why I have alot of love towards him. Not THAT type of love, but he is a great guy who wanted to come here, he was devastated when the Texans passed him up.


Changing topics,'

Houston needs a change at the QB position. Too many people DO NOT LIKE CARR and they never will. He sucks as a leader from what ive seen. Change Carr and start winning games and more people will jump in the bandwagon. However, everytime the Titans come to town, get ready to see a lot of VY supporters.

ib4texans
12-07-2006, 11:42 AM
Wear a Carr,Andre,Mario,DeMeco,Moulds or even Lundy jersey. But don't wear #10 in orange or blue, you are just fueling the fire if you do.

Football poetry; isn't it grande?

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 11:42 AM
P.S
I hate the Cowboys but I have to hand it to them. They know how to win.


Texans fans have nothing.

Go to Longhorn and Aggies message boards. hornfans and texags. BOTH make fun of the Texans. Everyone makes fun of "our" team. Heck even Texans fans do the smame, I cant blame them. Winning Cures EVERYTHING. Someone forgot to give that message to Bob.:brickwall

THAT, we can all agree on!

kfranco_utexas
12-07-2006, 11:43 AM
Blame the Texans for passing him up, not the fans that wanted him to come here.:rolleyes:

JDizzle
12-07-2006, 11:46 AM
It's not like we don't have our own #10. If anyone should be angry with this, it's Bradlee Van Pelt. Where's the love for #10?

JDizzle
12-07-2006, 11:48 AM
Wear a Carr,Andre,Mario,DeMeco,Moulds or even Lundy jersey. But don't wear #10 in orange or blue, you are just fueling the fire if you do.

Football poetry; isn't it grande?

I say wear a Bradlee Van Pelt jersey. It will be the clash of #10's this Sunday at reliant. Insta-classic if you ask me.

kfranco_utexas
12-07-2006, 11:50 AM
I would like for the Texans to get Kolb in the second round.

Lets see if they listen or pass him up.

Carr Bombed
12-07-2006, 11:51 AM
You say you're a Longhorn 1st and Texan 2nd, but sport a Titan avatar

if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck........

I personally think this is the biggest game since 19-10......maybe bigger.

I'm a UT fan, but I want to see Mario bash Vince's brains in.........he's a Titan.

Houston wants to be noticed as a great sports town...we talk about our sellouts and such, If I turn on the tube and it looks like a Titan home game. This team might as well move to LA, because we don't deserve to have a team here.....period.

kingh99
12-07-2006, 11:54 AM
I would like for the Texans to get Kolb in the second round.

Lets see if they listen or pass him up.

Charley dog gone it we sent you home!

:)
:)

Casserly-like reach. Kolb will last longer than the second IMHO.

kfranco_utexas
12-07-2006, 11:54 AM
"You say you're a Longhorn 1st and Texan 2nd, but sport a Titan avatar"

Shows you my displeasure towards the team, huh?

Get rid of Carr and I will switch my avatar, until then..

eriadoc
12-07-2006, 11:56 AM
"You say you're a Longhorn 1st and Texan 2nd, but sport a Titan avatar"

Shows you my displeasure towards the team, huh?

Get rid of Carr and I will switch my avatar, until then..

So ... you're no longer a fan of the Texans?

aj.
12-07-2006, 11:58 AM
I feel good about selling my tickets [to] VY worshippers. .Want no part of the zoo this Sunday. It should be fairly nauseating.

What's nauseating are Texans 'fans' who sell out to division rival fans. I understand the needing money around the holidays thing but otherwise I think it's pathetic.

I'm excited about the game. Texans win and both teams are 5-8. At first I was dreading what amounts to Fair Weather/Bandwagon Fan Appreciation Day but the more I think about it, I could care less about what happens in the stands since I'll be rooting for Peek, Mario, or DeMeco to break VY in half.

HRMSpencer
12-07-2006, 11:58 AM
You say you're a Longhorn 1st and Texan 2nd, but sport a Titan avatar

if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck........

I personally think this is the biggest game since 19-10......maybe bigger.

I'm a UT fan, but I want to see Mario bash Vince's brains in.........he's a Titan.

Houston wants to be noticed as a great sports town...we talk about our sellouts and such, If I turn on the tube and it looks like a Titan home game. This team might as well move to LA, because we don't deserve to have a team here.....period.


Thank you.. All the fairweather fans will be standing out on Sunday. If you cheer for a Bud Adams team as a Texans fan, your a moron and the rest of the country will be laughing at you. One of the big reasons why Bud Adams took Vince Young over Leinart, despite the protest of Norm Chow and Jeff Fisher (USC guys), was for this reason. To make you Vince Young addicts look rediculous. Applaud his return during the introduction, thats cool. But when the whistle blows, hes a Titan, and hes in the Texans house. Plus the Titans are suc a lame team.. yack..

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 11:59 AM
You say you're a Longhorn 1st and Texan 2nd, but sport a Titan avatar

if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck........

I personally think this is the biggest game since 19-10......maybe bigger.

I'm a UT fan, but I want to see Mario bash Vince's brains in.........he's a Titan.

Houston wants to be noticed as a great sports town...we talk about our sellouts and such, If I turn on the tube and it looks like a Titan home game. This team might as well move to LA, because we don't deserve to have a team here.....period.

WOW! Thats awesome.... I guess hell has just frozen over... I never thought I would be in agreement with a Horn... Good Job Carr Bomb!!

kfranco_utexas
12-07-2006, 12:00 PM
I am. Ill just be rooting for VY.

I root for the Texans every week, except for this week, I want VY to rub it in peoples face( those who never believed in him).

Besides, this season is over. You play to go to the playoffs, at least. Now its time to jockey for playoffs positioning. I want the Texans to get the best available player.

Carr Bombed
12-07-2006, 12:00 PM
"You say you're a Longhorn 1st and Texan 2nd, but sport a Titan avatar"

Shows you my displeasure towards the team, huh?

Get rid of Carr and I will switch my avatar, until then..

That makes no sense what so ever. So your going to turn your back on the other 52 players on this team, because of 1 player.

If it only takes 1 player to do that, might as well become a Titan's fan, because of 1 player.

This is exactly the mayweather fans that keep this city from being a great sports town.

Despite what people think about Dallas, they aren't as mayweather as people make them out to be.........I lived there for a little bit. They support all their teams very loyally.......unlike Houston. Houston is like a kid with ADD, if it can't keep their attention they don't give a rats ass. This whole city is field with unloyal mayweather fans.

Ole Miss Texan
12-07-2006, 12:01 PM
"You say you're a Longhorn 1st and Texan 2nd, but sport a Titan avatar"

Shows you my displeasure towards the team, huh?

Get rid of Carr and I will switch my avatar, until then..

Very Mature. I say keep your avatar.

Carr Bombed
12-07-2006, 12:02 PM
WOW! Thats awesome.... I guess hell has just frozen over... I never thought I would be in agreement with a Horn... Good Job Carr Bomb!!

We're not all pompous A-Holes

kingh99
12-07-2006, 12:02 PM
What's nauseating are Texans 'fans' who sell out to division rival fans. I understand the needing money around the holidays thing but otherwise I think it's pathetic.

I'm excited about the game. Texans win and both teams are 5-8. At first I was dreading what amounts to Fair Weather/Bandwagon Fan Appreciation Day but the more I think about it, I could care less about what happens in the stands.

Sorry bro but Xmas for my kids comes first. That stupid game paid for my Xbox 360. I bought season tickets. 3 of them. I've been to every game. I'm doing my part. Don't disparage me for taking advantage of a dumb market for this game. I take it the guys who are worried about blackouts don't attend games. I am supposed to be concerned about you? Sour grapes to me.

And I'll be rooting for the Texans to shut down VY.

kfranco_utexas
12-07-2006, 12:02 PM
Yes, Houston people suck as fans. Excuse us for wanting a winning product on the field and not making our city look like a joke. Yes, our faults. I mean, who wants to go to games to see their team lose, right?:rolleyes:

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 12:03 PM
Thank you.. All the fairweather fans will be standing out on Sunday. If you cheer for a Bud Adams team as a Texans fan, your a moron and the rest of the country will be laughing at you. One of the big reasons why Bud Adams took Vince Young over Leinart, despite the protest of Norm Chow and Jeff Fisher (USC guys), was for this reason. To make you Vince Young addicts look rediculous. Applaud his return during the introduction, thats cool. But when the whistle blows, hes a Titan, and hes in the Texans house. Plus the Titans are suc a lame team.. yack..

Correct.... It was 'ol bitter Buds face last chance to stick it to his home-town one more time... And all the fairweather, jock strap carrying, VY fans are being manipulated by Bud.... To make matters worse, they are so blinded by their man crush on Vince that they don't even know that they are being manipulated as little pawns in Buds revenge plan..

dtran04
12-07-2006, 12:04 PM
I see nothing wrong w/ Mario breaking Vince in half. He's at TITAN. Unfortunately, the NFL should have given this franchise to LA. Hell, fans here may run the team out to LA then they will be happy.

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 12:04 PM
We're not all pompous A-Holes

You for one, have restored that faith in me... Thanks!

HRMSpencer
12-07-2006, 12:04 PM
That makes no sense what so ever. So your going to turn your back on the other 52 players on this team, because of 1 player.

If it only takes 1 player to do that, might as well become a Titan's fan, because of 1 player.

This is exactly the mayweather fans that keep this city from being a great sports town.

Despite what people think about Dallas, they aren't as mayweather as people make them out to be.........I lived there for a little bit. They support all their teams very loyally.......unlike Houston. Houston is like a kid with ADD, if it can't keep their attention they don't give a rats ass. This whole city is field with unloyal mayweather fans.

I think there is a large amount of loyal fans in this city. Hell, its big enough. But its people like Kfranco who seem to voice there negative opinion louder than anyone else. These people are like a disease in this town. Its time for the loyalist to stand up against the fascist regime that infest our airwaves and chat rooms with their Vince Young propaganda. Heres to the Texans loyalists, real sports fans. The people who take pride in Houston sports. Stand up!

aj.
12-07-2006, 12:06 PM
Sorry bro but Xmas for my kids comes first. That stupid game paid for my Xbox 360. I bought season tickets. 3 of them. I've been to every game. I'm doing my part. Don't disparage me for taking advantage of a dumb market for this game. I take it the guys who are worried about blackouts don't attend games. I am supposed to be concerned about you? Sour grapes to me.

And I'll be rooting for the Texans to shut down VY.


Read closer 'bro.'

I made the exception just in case there was holiday money involved and said "otherwise" it's pathetic.

You gave your opinion, I gave you mine. Selling out to Titans fans is not 'doing your part' imo..... and since you brought it up, I've been to every game at Reliant and several roadies.

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 12:06 PM
Sorry bro but Xmas for my kids comes first. That stupid game paid for my Xbox 360. I bought season tickets. 3 of them. I've been to every game. I'm doing my part. Don't disparage me for taking advantage of a dumb market for this game. I take it the guys who are worried about blackouts don't attend games. I am supposed to be concerned about you? Sour grapes to me.

And I'll be rooting for the Texans to shut down VY.

I would have respected this response a little more if you would have hooked your kids up with Playstation 3... j/k

Carr Bombed
12-07-2006, 12:09 PM
Yes, Houston people suck as fans. Excuse us for wanting a winning product on the field and not making our city look like a joke. Yes, our faults. I mean, who wants to go to games to see their team lose, right?:rolleyes:

Yeah turning your back on a team will really produce a winning product won't it.......damn that sure worked in the mid 90's didn't it.

Fans have absolutely no say on what player to take or decisions to make, despite if you think you do. You say you don't want to make our city look like a joke, yes your fault, let the nation see over half the stadium wearing Titan blue and THATS EXACTLY WHAT WE WILL BE.

ib4texans
12-07-2006, 12:10 PM
Sorry bro but Xmas for my kids comes first. That stupid game paid for my Xbox 360. I bought season tickets. 3 of them. I've been to every game. I'm doing my part. Don't disparage me for taking advantage of a dumb market for this game. I take it the guys who are worried about blackouts don't attend games. I am supposed to be concerned about you? Sour grapes to me.

And I'll be rooting for the Texans to shut down VY.


Did you sell them to a Texans or Titans fan?

kingh99
12-07-2006, 12:14 PM
Read closer 'bro.'

I made the exception just in case there was holiday money involved and said "otherwise" it's pathetic.

You gave your opinion, I gave you mine. Selling out to Titans fans is not 'doing your part' imo..... and since you brought it up, I've been to every game at Reliant and several roadies.

Sorry mang. I didn't read that part. Plus it got me amorous attention from my wife last night, she was so proud of me putting jolly ole santa first. That's newsflash worthy right there!

Things are definitely looking up re the sale of these tix. Perfect symmetry especially since I bought them Tuesday before black Wednesday last spring if you get my drift. Not that there's anything wrong with big ole Mo. Mario is going to be a good one too!

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 12:15 PM
I think there is a large amount of loyal fans in this city. Hell, its big enough. But its people like Kfranco who seem to voice there negative opinion louder than anyone else. These people are like a disease in this town. Its time for the loyalist to stand up against the fascist regime that infest our airwaves and chat rooms with their Vince Young propaganda. Heres to the Texans loyalists, real sports fans. The people who take pride in Houston sports. Stand up!

Down with fascism!! Down with the tyranny of Bud that enslaves fairweathered fans in our Great City .... Rise-up passionate fans!!! Take back what is rightfully ours!!

None of us want the Texans to lose, but showing "your displeasure" by wearing another teams colors is not how you do that... You make yourself and this city look pathetic by what some may perceive as a temper tantrum.

hollywood_texan
12-07-2006, 12:18 PM
This whole situation about Vince is really a referendum on the Texans and all the poor decisions they have made and a team that appears to have zero heart outside a player or two.

The Texans have been pretty much a joke all over the country, now it comes home!

This shouldn't be a surprise...

What is worse, following a team that can't even field a respectable team, much less a .500 record, or following a hometown hero that is a huge playmaker that brought the goods finally to the Longhorns and the State of Texas, and basically said take me because I want to play with the Texans because "I am a Houston Texan?"

The Houston Texans are bordering on becoming a pathetic organization with it's only upside being a really nice stadium.

Vince will probably become the biggest mistake they every made in the first 5 years in a long line of other mistakes.

This is a culmination of a lot stuff, the Vince issue has just put it over the top!

Double Barrel
12-07-2006, 12:21 PM
People think I hate the Texans because I love VY. :rolleyes:

People think you hate the Texans because you've sold your soul with that avatar. I could understand (sorta') if you had lost one of those dumb avatar bets, but to make the decision on your own freewill....yikes....

BTW, I didn't give you any neg rep...it's not what I do...

Its time for the loyalist to stand up against the fascist regime that infest our airwaves and chat rooms with their Vince Young propaganda. Heres to the Texans loyalists, real sports fans. The people who take pride in Houston sports. Stand up!

HERE, HERE! I agree. Fanatics unite, this is the time our team needs us the most! :texflag:

What is worse, following a team that can't even field a respectable team, much less a .500 record, or following a hometown hero that is a huge playmaker that brought the goods finally to the Longhorns and the State of Texas, and basically said take me because I want to play with the Texans because "I am a Houston Texan?"


Are you really asking: What is worse, a football fanatic that sticks with his team through thick and thin, or a fairweather bandwagon fan who follows individuals over his team?

It's as simple of logic as that, my man. I hate the fact that the Texans are bottom-dwellers as much as the next guy, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to sell myself, my city, and my team out. Justify things however you want, but at the end of the day there is a reason why football fanatics and fair-weather fans have different definitions in the dictionary.

kingh99
12-07-2006, 12:24 PM
This whole situation about Vince is really a referendum on the Texans and all the poor decisions they have made and a team that appears to have zero heart outside a player or two.

The Texans have been pretty much a joke all over the country, now it comes home!

This shouldn't be a surprise...

What is worse, following a team that can't even field a respectable team, much less a .500 record, or following a hometown hero that is a huge playmaker that brought the goods finally to the Longhorns and the State of Texas, and basically said take me because I want to play with the Texans because "I am a Houston Texan?"

The Houston Texans are bordering on becoming a pathetic organization with it's only upside being a really nice stadium.

Vince will probably become the biggest mistake they every made in the first 5 years in a long line of other mistakes.

This is a culmination of a lot stuff, the Vince issue has just put it over the top!


Adams has a better feel for personnel than McNair. No doubt about it. Adams wasn't so bad with his decisions about players. It was his decisions about everything else that was the problem. Now he's even gotten better at that with the retention of Jeff Fisher through the down years. Fisher is a very underrated head coach IMO. I kind of respect the way Adams plays hardball with players and agents. He's a curmudgeon if there ever was one.

Carr Bombed
12-07-2006, 12:25 PM
....is really a referendum on the Texans and all the poor decisions they have made and a team that appears to have zero heart outside a player or two.

Sounds like a team thats starting to represent some of the fans around here.....

texaslifter
12-07-2006, 12:25 PM
Man all you people getting mad that we're gonna cheer for Vince can shove it. We're Texans fans too, we're still buying tickets to games. But Vince is our hero - Kubiak and McNair knew what they were doing when they passed on him, and now they get to see exactly what they missed. A city that LOVES a player for being so amazing. He defeated USC!!!

eriadoc
12-07-2006, 12:27 PM
That makes no sense what so ever. So your going to turn your back on the other 52 players on this team, because of 1 player.

If it only takes 1 player to do that, might as well become a Titan's fan, because of 1 player.

This is exactly the mayweather fans that keep this city from being a great sports town.

Despite what people think about Dallas, they aren't as mayweather as people make them out to be.........I lived there for a little bit. They support all their teams very loyally.......unlike Houston. Houston is like a kid with ADD, if it can't keep their attention they don't give a rats ass. This whole city is field with unloyal mayweather fans.


Texas is a great football state. Houston is not filled with Texans.

Double Barrel
12-07-2006, 12:28 PM
Man all you people getting mad that we're gonna cheer for Vince can shove it.

I'm not mad, just disgusted.

He defeated USC!!!

All by himself, huh?

eriadoc
12-07-2006, 12:30 PM
Man all you people getting mad that we're gonna cheer for Vince can shove it. We're Texans fans too, we're still buying tickets to games. But Vince is our hero - Kubiak and McNair knew what they were doing when they passed on him, and now they get to see exactly what they missed. A city that LOVES a player for being so amazing. He defeated USC!!!

Really? Because I though fans pulled for their teams. If they cease to do so, they cease to be fans of that team. It all seems pretty simple to me.

Runner
12-07-2006, 12:33 PM
I'd like to point out one thing to those Texans fans that might want to heap some ridicule and scorn on the people wearing Young jerseys at the game.

If possible, leave Young's mom, siblings, etc. out of the path of your wrath. It might be somewhat understandable were they to wear his jersey to the game. It also might be embarrassing if such boorish behavior ends up on the news.

I know we are talking foo'ball here, but we are also trying to have a civilization. :)

kingh99
12-07-2006, 12:34 PM
Man all you people getting mad that we're gonna cheer for Vince can shove it. We're Texans fans too, we're still buying tickets to games. But Vince is our hero - Kubiak and McNair knew what they were doing when they passed on him, and now they get to see exactly what they missed. A city that LOVES a player for being so amazing. He defeated USC!!!

I believe VY better get his left and right tackles to bed by 10:00 Saturday night. If I was Mario Williams I would like very much to put VY out of the game in most unceremonious fashion. That is the matchup, not VY DC. We already know who wins that one based on the body of work. The match up is Mario against Young. It's going to be a good one. There could be a strange hush over the crowd this weekend. Mario's got something to prove too.

Carr Bombed
12-07-2006, 12:34 PM
Man all you people getting mad that we're gonna cheer for Vince can shove it. We're Texans fans too, we're still buying tickets to games. But Vince is our hero - Kubiak and McNair knew what they were doing when they passed on him, and now they get to see exactly what they missed. A city that LOVES a player for being so amazing. He defeated USC!!!

This is the NFL, do you really think they give a rats a## about what happened in college.

Do you think when Lienart goes to play at Oakland half the stadium is going to be wearing gold and red or Cardinal jersey's........hell no.......why, because despite their shortcomming, bad decision, and goofed decisions. They still support THE TEAM and are way better fans than us......way better.

If you want to support a player for being so amazing, wear a #59 jersey. This isn't the NCAA, this isn't Austin, this isn't the Rosebowl, its the NFL...for god sakes we're playing a divisional rival.

Cheer Vince all you want during the pregame announcements...I would

Once the game starts.....he's a Titan......he's the enemy. It doesn't matter how many times UT fans close their eyes and tap their shoes....he's not ever going to play here. It doesn't matter how many times UT fans hug their #10 jersey's and suck their thumbs.....he's not ever going to play here.

People need to grow up and get over it.

The Texans might be a dysfunctional child right now, but they're our dysfunctional child

texaslifter
12-07-2006, 12:34 PM
Disgusted that we aren't one dimensional? :rolleyes:

Don't talk to me about being a fan. I watch every texans game broadcasted and try to make it to as many of them as possible. I spend more time than is healthy trying to think up ways that the Texans could become a solid ball club. You have no right to try to judge me as a fan.

Besides, I'm a longhorn first. I was at every game Vince ever played in at UT. My friends and I had a draft party planned praying that the Texans would take VY. It didn't turn out. I like Mario. I just like VY more.

And don't get sarcastic with me about the talents of Vince vs the rest of the team concerning the win over USC. No bs you can spew to me over a msg board will take away the feeling I had when my underdog college team beat the team ESPN was heralding as "the best ever". For the rest of my life I will be a Vince Young fan, deal with it.

texaslifter
12-07-2006, 12:36 PM
Really? Because I though fans pulled for their teams. If they cease to do so, they cease to be fans of that team. It all seems pretty simple to me.

Who said I wasn't cheering for the Texans? I'm a fan of the GAME first and foremost. The Texans are just the form in which the NFL is providing it to me.

texaslifter
12-07-2006, 12:38 PM
This is the NFL, do you really think they give a rats a## about what happened in college.

Do you think when Lienart goes to play at Oakland half the stadium is going to be wearing gold and red or Cardinal jersey's........hell no.......why, because despite their shortcomming, bad decision, and goofed decisions. They still support THE TEAM and are way better fans than us......way better.

If you want to support a player for being so amazing, wear a #59 jersey. This isn't the NCAA, this isn't Austin, this isn't the Rosebowl, its the NFL...for god sakes we're playing a divisional rival.

Cheer Vince all you want during the pregame announcements...I would

Once the game starts.....he's a Titan......he's the enemy. It doesn't matter how many times UT fans close their eyes and tap their shoes....he's not ever going to play here. It doesn't matter how many times UT fans hug their #10 jersey's and suck their thumbs.....he's not ever going to play here.

People need to grow up and get over it.

The Texans might be a dysfunctional child right now, but they're our dysfunctional child

You have zero room to talk to me about being a fan. I road tripped in a RV with 10 guys out to the rose bowl, on average killing a keg every 18 hours for 13 days straight. I support my teams. Eat crow.

Bamaborn-Texasbred
12-07-2006, 12:38 PM
I'd like to point out one thing to those Texans fans that might want to heap some ridicule and scorn on the people wearing Young jerseys at the game.

If possible, leave Young's mom, siblings, etc. out of the path of your wrath. It might be somewhat understandable were they to wear his jersey to the game. It also might be embarrassing if such boorish behavior ends up on the news.

I know we are talking foo'ball here, but we are also trying to have a civilization. :)
VY's mother won't be sitting anywhere someone like you are describing could get to her.

ib4texans
12-07-2006, 12:40 PM
Disgusted that we aren't one dimensional? :rolleyes:

Don't talk to me about being a fan. I watch every texans game broadcasted and try to make it to as many of them as possible. I spend more time than is healthy trying to think up ways that the Texans could become a solid ball club. You have no right to try to judge me as a fan.

Besides, I'm a longhorn first. I was at every game Vince ever played in at UT. My friends and I had a draft party planned praying that the Texans would take VY. It didn't turn out. I like Mario. I just like VY more.

And don't get sarcastic with me about the talents of Vince vs the rest of the team concerning the win over USC. No bs you can spew to me over a msg board will take away the feeling I had when my underdog college team beat the team ESPN was heralding as "the best ever". For the rest of my life I will be a Vince Young fan, deal with it.



Then why not visit there message board first. Watch tape of the UT this weekend and skip the game. If you want Vince to do well and cheer him when he does you are rooting for the Titans and against the Texans. You can be a VY fan all you want but you can only hope 1 team wins and 1 team loses,which will it be?

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 12:42 PM
fan:

Function: noun
Etymology: probably short for fanatic
1 : an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport) usually as a spectator

2 : an ardent admirer or enthusiast

eriadoc
12-07-2006, 12:42 PM
Don't talk to me about being a fan.

That's pretty much the topic of this thread, actually.

I watch every texans game broadcasted and try to make it to as many of them as possible. I spend more time than is healthy trying to think up ways that the Texans could become a solid ball club.

That doesn't necessarily make you a fan. Sticking with your team through thick and thin makes you a fan. Choosing which games to pull for a team makes you a bandwagon fan, at best.

You have no right to try to judge me as a fan.

It's not about rights. Everyone on this board has the freedom to express their opinions, even as it relates to your status as a fan. Sorry, that's just how it is.

Besides, I'm a longhorn first. I was at every game Vince ever played in at UT. My friends and I had a draft party planned praying that the Texans would take VY. It didn't turn out. I like Mario. I just like VY more.

So you're a fan of UT and VY. That's cool. That's where your true allegiance lies, evidently. Now that you've admitted it, we all know where you stand. That just doesn't qualify as anything better than a bandwagon Texans fan. Fans don't cherry pick which games they're going to pull for their team.

For the rest of my life I will be a Vince Young fan, deal with it.

Admitting you have a problem is the first step in solving it ;)

ib4texans
12-07-2006, 12:43 PM
You have zero room to talk to me about being a fan. I road tripped in a RV with 10 guys out to the rose bowl, on average killing a keg every 18 hours for 13 days straight. I support my teams. Eat crow.



Maybe some brain cells fell victim to homocide.:twocents:

Runner
12-07-2006, 12:43 PM
VY's mother won't be sitting anywhere someone like you are describing could get to her.

Hopefully not. She has to get to her seat though.

Carr Bombed
12-07-2006, 12:43 PM
You have zero room to talk to me about being a fan. I road tripped in a RV with 10 guys out to the rose bowl, on average killing a keg every 18 hours for 13 days straight. I support my teams. Eat crow.

Eat what crow.......

I don't care about the Rose Bowl, I'm on the Houston Texans MB, they have never been to the Rose Bowl. If you want to talk about UT go to a UT website or the NCAA Forum.

Once I'm here I'm able to take off the burnt orange and put on the steel blue.

Theres no crow to eat......although I do hope for the sake of this team the Texans make all those idiots in the stand eat crow Sunday, the other half of the idiots (Bush backers) have already had their fill.

Porky
12-07-2006, 12:45 PM
Link: Nashvillecitypaper "Houston ready to welcome favorite son Young" (http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/index.cfm?section=43&screen=news&news_id=53580)

Puke.

Go ahead and puke all game long. As for me, I will be laughing my ass off at the incompetent boobs running our franchise.

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 12:46 PM
For the record... Vince's knee was down at the 2 or 3 in the Rose Bowl last year... :stirpot:

texaslifter
12-07-2006, 12:47 PM
Maybe some brain cells fell victim to homocide.:twocents:

Didn't make it to college eh?

texaslifter
12-07-2006, 12:48 PM
For the record... Vince's knee was down at the 2 or 3 in the Rose Bowl last year... :stirpot:

For the record, there wasn't a time all year that we didn't punch it in from within the 10 yardline. It matters not.

The play that truely changed the game was the interception by Griffin (not the endzone play - although that was by far the most beautiful play I've seen in football) where he had the pick landed with control and the ground caused him to lose it. Thats a pick yo

ib4texans
12-07-2006, 12:48 PM
Didn't make it to college eh?



Er......Yeah,sure????

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 12:49 PM
You have zero room to talk to me about being a fan. I road tripped in a RV with 10 guys out to the rose bowl, on average killing a keg every 18 hours for 13 days straight. I support my teams. Eat crow.

Cool... I remember when I had my first beer too.

Bamaborn-Texasbred
12-07-2006, 12:49 PM
For the record... Vince's knee was down at the 2 or 3 in the Rose Bowl last year... :stirpot:

Yeah, and he was down by two touchdowns in the fourth quarter with the entire nation watching...

Don't think I need to tell you the rest of the story.

Marcus
12-07-2006, 12:50 PM
Go ahead and puke all game long. As for me, I will be laughing my ass off at the incompetent boobs running our franchise.
Naa, Porky. You'll just sit there, and stew in your own misery as you always do.:violin

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 12:51 PM
For the record, there wasn't a time all year that we didn't punch it in from within the 10 yardline. It matters not.

The play that truely changed the game was the interception by Griffin (not the endzone play - although that was by far the most beautiful play I've seen in football) where he had the pick landed with control and the ground caused him to lose it. Thats a pick yo

Shoulda, coulda woulda...... I am sure USC was saying the same thing about 4th and 1.....

And yes, that was a nice interception... Take the compliment, because they are few and far between when it comes to TU..

texaslifter
12-07-2006, 12:51 PM
That's pretty much the topic of this thread, actually.



That doesn't necessarily make you a fan. Sticking with your team through thick and thin makes you a fan. Choosing which games to pull for a team makes you a bandwagon fan, at best.



It's not about rights. Everyone on this board has the freedom to express their opinions, even as it relates to your status as a fan. Sorry, that's just how it is.



So you're a fan of UT and VY. That's cool. That's where your true allegiance lies, evidently. Now that you've admitted it, we all know where you stand. That just doesn't qualify as anything better than a bandwagon Texans fan. Fans don't cherry pick which games they're going to pull for their team.



Admitting you have a problem is the first step in solving it ;)

Whats wrong with you? Ofcourse that makes me a fan. The Texans knew this situation would happen and accepted it. Maybe you should get with the times? For you to expect me to turn my back on Vince is straight up selfish. And to think, all of this is so that the texans get some respect for being a feared city to play in, which will help stroke your ego a bit. How sad.

Carr Bombed
12-07-2006, 12:51 PM
Didn't make it to college eh?

Try being in the military stopping off at a port call........I would put a college kid in a coma.

Me<:party:>college kid

texaslifter
12-07-2006, 12:55 PM
Try being in the military stopping off at a port call........I would put a college kid in a coma.

Me<:party:>college kid

:ohsnap:

I realize you are prideful in your drinking - most military men are. But you got nothing on us man, we get to train year round, not just at ports.

"I'm not drunk... I'm just tired from staying up all night drinking"

ib4texans
12-07-2006, 12:55 PM
Whats wrong with you? Ofcourse that makes me a fan. The Texans knew this situation would happen and accepted it. Maybe you should get with the times? For you to expect me to turn my back on Vince is straight up selfish. And to think, all of this is so that the texans get some respect for being a feared city to play in, which will help stroke your ego a bit. How sad.



Nobody expects you to turn your back on VY, just show where your allegiance is for this game. I like the Carolina Panthers as an NFC team,next year when we play them, its Texans all the way for that game. No discussion Texans are #1 in my book. You have already stated UT is your #1,that is what people on this board have a problem with.

Double Barrel
12-07-2006, 12:55 PM
Don't talk to me about being a fan.

Then don't come to a Texans fan message board if you want to spout nonsense but are too thin-skinned to deal with replies.

As eriadoc pointed out, the title of this specific thread is ""Half the stadium or more cheering for Vince". What part of your college educated brain doesn't comprehend this?

Besides, I'm a longhorn first.

Then say no more. You are a college fan over a pro football fan, and there is nothing wrong with that. To each his own, but when you come into the Texans board and start talking trash, expect it in return.

I road tripped in a RV with 10 guys out to the rose bowl, on average killing a keg every 18 hours for 13 days straight.

That's something to brag about. I'm sure you're grandkids will be proud. Did you get a gold medal? You should have.

ib4texans
12-07-2006, 12:59 PM
Then don't come to a Texans fan message board if you want to spout nonsense but are too thin-skinned to deal with replies.

As eriadoc pointed out, the title of this specific thread is ""Half the stadium or more cheering for Vince". What part of your college educated brain doesn't comprehend this?



Then say no more. You are a college fan over a pro football fan, and there is nothing wrong with that. To each his own, but when you come into the Texans board and start talking trash, expect it in return.



That's something to brag about. I'm sure you're grandkids will be proud. Did you get a gold medal? You should have.


Ha! Ha! Ha! LOL You took the words right out of my mouth.

Carr Bombed
12-07-2006, 12:59 PM
:ohsnap:

I realize you are prideful in your drinking - most military men are. But you got nothing on us man, we get to train year round, not just at ports.

"I'm not drunk... I'm just tired from staying up all night drinking"

I'm at a land station right now and have been for over a year, (Mich) I have to babysit college kids like you all the time (UofM and Ohio ST.)

trust me I drink to kill pain. Plus I'm still from Texas, that gives me an extra booster right there.

Oh well, back on topic

hollywood_texan
12-07-2006, 01:02 PM
Are you really asking: What is worse, a football fanatic that sticks with his team through thick and thin, or a fairweather bandwagon fan who follows individuals over his team?

It's as simple of logic as that, my man. I hate the fact that the Texans are bottom-dwellers as much as the next guy, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to sell myself, my city, and my team out. Justify things however you want, but at the end of the day there is a reason why football fanatics and fair-weather fans have different definitions in the dictionary.

DB, I hear ya, but the current state of this team is pathetic.

I went to Oakland and it was a wonderful experience because I got to meet some cool Texans fans and experience the fun of the Raider Nation.

But, what was good about that trip had nothing to do with the squad or the coaching staff, outside of Ryans. It would have been a complete waste of my time and money if went just to see that team. And actually, it was a great trip despite their ridiculous performance.

This team is joke in relation to the fans. The fans of the Houston Texans deserve a lot more than the crap that is shoveled out every week and every year. McNair owes and an apology to the fans and Kubiak needs to grow a set. This organization just has no heart and I don't get it when people say we should just take it because we are fans. I'm sorry you make stupid decisions and put out a bad product, you should pay the price!

I am so frustrated with this organization, I can't describe it. If they want my undying support, they need to EARN IT!!! Are you listening McNair???? I have been pretty laid back about the garbage the first 4 1/2 years, but enough is enough. There are no more blank checks from me, outside of paying for season tickets. The Texans are not getting another dime from me. I will get hammered and eat before the game before I spend anymore money at Reliant. It's over until they can post a winning record...

I think tough love is in order!!!!


Quote:

Link: Nashvillecitypaper "Houston ready to welcome favorite son Young"

Puke.

Go ahead and puke all game long. As for me, I will be laughing my ass off at the incompetent boobs running our franchise.


My thoughts exactly. Great summation!!!!

Yvette
12-07-2006, 01:15 PM
If they want my undying support, they need to EARN IT!!!
I don't know about undying but I thought they earned it when they brought football back to Houston? A game most people thought was gone from the city forever?

El Tejano
12-07-2006, 01:19 PM
There may be more fans for Tennessee but faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains.

http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?p=525655#post525655

TEXANS84
12-07-2006, 01:20 PM
I can't wait for Jay Cutler to visit Nashville.

ib4texans
12-07-2006, 01:22 PM
I can't wait for Jay Cutler to visit Nashville.



Too True, 3-4 TD's and over 300 yrds. Let's not forget Denvers D-Fence.

Double Barrel
12-07-2006, 01:26 PM
I don't know about undying but I thought they earned it when they brought football back to Houston? A game most people thought was gone from the city forever?

Thank you, Yvette. You're a class act, and glad you joined our forum. Too bad it's taking a Titans fan to drive home one important message to many of our 'fans'. :shades:

DB, I hear ya, but the current state of this team is pathetic.

I don't disagree with you here, HT. I certainly understand your frustration and other negative emotions regarding decisions this team has made, and losing is never a fun thing to experience.

But how we deal with that frustration is where we differ. For instance, you went to the Black Hole...why aren't Raider fans skipping out on their rather pathetic team right now? I have not visited a Raiders forum, but are there fan urging everyone to boycott the team to 'teach Al Davis a lesson'?

The Raiders are a prime example of football fanatics. They wear the gear, they go to the games, and they support the team regardless of win/loss records or dumb decisions by management. I'm sure they gripe as much as anyone - which I wholeheartedly support (and condone) that right, btw - but they stop short when it means that they are no longer fanatics, but fair-weather fans.

This is all I've been trying to say. Fanatics should gripe, call radio shows, write the team, whatever, when they are unhappy (we chanted "Fire Capers" at the end of last season...I'm very sure that Mr. McNair heard us above his box, too). But don't stop going to the game, and don't join the rivals out of spite. This is stuff that comes out of a chicken's rear, for lack of an allowable term. :shades:

Carr Bombed
12-07-2006, 01:29 PM
I don't know about undying but I thought they earned it when they brought football back to Houston? A game most people thought was gone from the city forever?

exactly, he's calling out a man that put his own money on the line to bring football here/ a superbowl here. He believed in this city or else he would be sitting in LA right now.

The Fans bit**** and moned for a new Coach, McNair hired one everybody was estatic for, now people won't give him more than a year to turn this thing around.

McNair is trying to turn this team into a winner, damn he's a terrible owner.

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 01:33 PM
exactly, he's calling out a man that put his own money on the line to bring football here/ a superbowl here. He believed in this city or else he would be sitting in LA right now.

The Fans bit**** and moned for a new Coach, McNair hired one everybody was estatic for, now people won't give him more than a year to turn this thing around.

McNair is trying to turn this team into a winner, damn he's a terrible owner.

The absolute worse owner --- ever!!! :rolleyes:

Chance_C
12-07-2006, 01:39 PM
This is the NFL, do you really think they give a rats a## about what happened in college.

Do you think when Lienart goes to play at Oakland half the stadium is going to be wearing gold and red or Cardinal jersey's........hell no.......why, because despite their shortcomming, bad decision, and goofed decisions. They still support THE TEAM and are way better fans than us......way better.

If you want to support a player for being so amazing, wear a #59 jersey. This isn't the NCAA, this isn't Austin, this isn't the Rosebowl, its the NFL...for god sakes we're playing a divisional rival.

Cheer Vince all you want during the pregame announcements...I would

Once the game starts.....he's a Titan......he's the enemy. It doesn't matter how many times UT fans close their eyes and tap their shoes....he's not ever going to play here. It doesn't matter how many times UT fans hug their #10 jersey's and suck their thumbs.....he's not ever going to play here.

People need to grow up and get over it.

The Texans might be a dysfunctional child right now, but they're our dysfunctional child

Great Post. I was glad that we didn't take Vince because I wanted David to succeed. I thought that given more weapons, a better system, etc., that he would develop into the QB that I thought he could be. I'm seriously doubting that now, although I do realize the o-line he is playing behind is hideous, but I need more out of him. I hope and pray that we beat the hell out of the Titans and David has a great game first and foremost because I'm a Texan fan, and second because of the negative energy it would create in the fanbase. Why in the world any self righteous, self proclaimed Texan fan would root for the opposition (esp. Bud's team) is downright putrid, and I'm sorry that I've read your posts over the years.

Does this mean that I don't have my regrets about not wanting Vince? No it does not, I sincerely wish that he was a Texan (sorry David), because I'm convinced that we need a new QB. But the bottom line is that Vince Young is a Titan, and although I want be at the game you all might hear my yelling if we kick their ass.

Edited to add that although I wish that Vince was a Texan, I am very pleased with Mario. Maybe I try to see everything to optimistic but I don't feel right saying that I wish Vince was a Texan, because that means that we wouldn't have Mario.

Carr Bombed
12-07-2006, 01:45 PM
Great Post. I was glad that we didn't take Vince because I wanted David to succeed. I thought that given more weapons, a better system, etc., that he would develop into the QB that I thought he could be. I'm seriously doubting that now, although I do realize the o-line he is playing behind is hideous, but I need more out of him. I hope and pray that we beat the hell out of the Titans and David has a great game first and foremost because I'm a Texan fan, and second because of the negative energy it would create in the fanbase. Why in the world any self righteous, self proclaimed Texan fan would root for the opposition (esp. Bud's team) is downright putrid, and I'm sorry that I've read your posts over the years.

Does this mean that I don't have my regrets about not wanting Vince? No it does not, I sincerely wish that he was a Texan (sorry David), because I'm convinced that we need a new QB. But the bottom line is that Vince Young is a Titan, and although I want be at the game you all might hear my yelling if we kick their ass.

I really don't care what happens with the QB position, I just want better play, being David Carr or not.

people just need to realize that Vince is not a option in that scenerio and all the bitc**** and complaining is nothing, but counter productive at this time. When a team is struggling to find wins, confidence, and continuity, the last thing they need is to play a away game at home.........

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 01:56 PM
Why in the world any self righteous, self proclaimed Texan fan would root for the opposition (esp. Bud's team) is downright putrid, and I'm sorry that I've read your posts over the years.

Nicely done!!! :dance3:

hollywood_texan
12-07-2006, 02:41 PM
I don't disagree with you here, HT. I certainly understand your frustration and other negative emotions regarding decisions this team has made, and losing is never a fun thing to experience.

But how we deal with that frustration is where we differ. For instance, you went to the Black Hole...why aren't Raider fans skipping out on their rather pathetic team right now? I have not visited a Raiders forum, but are there fan urging everyone to boycott the team to 'teach Al Davis a lesson'?

The Raiders are a prime example of football fanatics. They wear the gear, they go to the games, and they support the team regardless of win/loss records or dumb decisions by management. I'm sure they gripe as much as anyone - which I wholeheartedly support (and condone) that right, btw - but they stop short when it means that they are no longer fanatics, but fair-weather fans.

This is all I've been trying to say. Fanatics should gripe, call radio shows, write the team, whatever, when they are unhappy (we chanted "Fire Capers" at the end of last season...I'm very sure that Mr. McNair heard us above his box, too). But don't stop going to the game, and don't join the rivals out of spite. This is stuff that comes out of a chicken's rear, for lack of an allowable term. :shades:

You make an excellent points, but the Texans are not even close to fielding a .500 team. Which is really my issue.

I can handle the rough bumps in the road and the down years, but the way things are going, this team may not hit .500 for a couple of years, if we are lucky.

Which is really my gripe.

As for the loyalty by Raiders fans, they have history to fall back on, the Texans don't. Considering the track record of McNair's decisions, I am beginning to wonder what history there will be except for the Texans have a fan base that is loyal but accepts losing as a tradition.

I know I am being harsh, but some people need to have their feet put to the fire. This has gone on long enough, and even though this team is strapped for talent, there are other teams in similar situations that show more heart and drive, and win enough to at least sniff around .500 from time to time.

noxiousdog
12-07-2006, 02:45 PM
I would like for the Texans to get Kolb in the second round.

Lets see if they listen or pass him up.


Good Lord I hope not. Kolb is project as a late 3rd high 4th. Drafting him a round and a half early would be assinine.

HOU-TEX
12-07-2006, 02:49 PM
Good Lord I hope not. Kolb is project as a late 3rd high 4th. Drafting him a round and a half early would be assinine.

You're going to be surprised. I'm willing to bet QBs are going to be in high demand this coming draft. He'll go in the second or early third. If he's there for us in the third, we'd be crazy not to get him.

Chance_C
12-07-2006, 02:49 PM
I know I am being harsh, but some people need to have their feet put to the fire. This has gone on long enough, and even though this team is strapped for talent, there are other teams in similar situations that show more heart and drive, and win enough to at least sniff around .500 from time to time

Problem is people are pissed at management. When people cheer for Vince and the Titans they are cheering against the Texans. Piss poor IMO. Voice your displeasures to the people that make these decisions that you don't agree with, not the team on the field. All I know if I was Demeco Ryans, Andre Johnson, or any other Texan for that matter I sure wouldn't want to play for that kind of fans.

JDizzle
12-07-2006, 02:54 PM
I don't think it will be "half" of the stadium rooting for Vince and the Titans. There will be quite a few but in the end most everyone will be pulling for the Texans to win, even more-so if we whip that ass. I am excited about going because the friendly trash-talking to visiting fans is part of the fun.

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 02:58 PM
There was a time that free agents (leave the Phillip Buchanon jokes alone - because that was a function of management that as Chance suggests are the ones to be PO'd at) viewed Houston as an attractive place to come and play.

I don't think fans cheering for the enemy or booing the home team will encourage them to want to play here anymore.

ib4texans
12-07-2006, 03:02 PM
You make an excellent points, but the Texans are not even close to fielding a .500 team. Which is really my issue.

I can handle the rough bumps in the road and the down years, but the way things are going, this team may not hit .500 for a couple of years, if we are lucky.

Which is really my gripe.

As for the loyalty by Raiders fans, they have history to fall back on, the Texans don't. Considering the track record of McNair's decisions, I am beginning to wonder what history there will be except for the Texans have a fan base that is loyal but accepts losing as a tradition.

I know I am being harsh, but some people need to have their feet put to the fire. This has gone on long enough, and even though this team is strapped for talent, there are other teams in similar situations that show more heart and drive, and win enough to at least sniff around .500 from time to time.

Twice as many wins as last season,realistic potential of going 6-10. Three times as many wins as last season 2 wins from .500 in one year with a beat to s**t O-line. Wow, I dont now what your sniffing? I don't think that is terrible, next year maybe 10-6.

Tale Gator
12-07-2006, 03:14 PM
If the Texans play bad as bad as last week MORE than half of the stadium will end up cheering for VY and the Titans.

Carr Bombed
12-07-2006, 03:24 PM
You make an excellent points, but the Texans are not even close to fielding a .500 team. Which is really my issue.

I can handle the rough bumps in the road and the down years, but the way things are going, this team may not hit .500 for a couple of years, if we are lucky.

Which is really my gripe.

As for the loyalty by Raiders fans, they have history to fall back on, the Texans don't. Considering the track record of McNair's decisions, I am beginning to wonder what history there will be except for the Texans have a fan base that is loyal but accepts losing as a tradition.

I know I am being harsh, but some people need to have their feet put to the fire. This has gone on long enough, and even though this team is strapped for talent, there are other teams in similar situations that show more heart and drive, and win enough to at least sniff around .500 from time to time.

You say people should have their feet put to the fire and we shouldn't stand for bad coaching/management.............and we didn't

The Texans turned over from GM on down and had a excellent draft, its going to take more than 3/4 of a season for the new talent/coaches to trickle results into the win colum. We gave Capers 4 years........Kubiak has a very realistic chance to match Capers best season, in year one, can he give the man some time please.

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 03:28 PM
You say people should have their feet put to the fire and we shouldn't stand for bad coaching/management.............and we didn't

The Texans turned over from GM on down and had a excellent draft, its going to take more than 3/4 of a season for the new talent/coaches to trickle results into the win colum. We gave Capers 4 years........Kubiak has a very realistic chance to match Capers best season, in year one, can he give the man some time please.

Also from the GM up.... I know that technically Ferens resigned, but I have to beleive that there may have been a little pressure to do so....

Hookem Horns
12-07-2006, 04:21 PM
If everyone in Texas are turning into Titans fans then it is time for me to move back North again. This is all disgusting.

BTW, I will probably be changing my username after this game. I am ashamed of UT fan right now and really don't want to be associated with them.

Oh and another BTW, for you fans that want to root against Bob McNair's team because you didn't like that he passed on the Houston Hero, do you realize you are rooting for the guy that took the team away from Houston? What's worse, not drafting your player or taking your team away? Get real and a freaking life!

ib4texans
12-07-2006, 04:29 PM
If everyone in Texas are turning into Titans fans then it is time for me to move back North again. This is all disgusting.

BTW, I will probably be changing my username after this game. I am ashamed of UT fan right now and really don't want to be associated with them.

Oh and another BTW, for you fans that want to root against Bob McNair's team because you didn't like that he passed on the Houston Hero, do you realize you are rooting for the guy that took the team away from Houston? What's worse, not drafting your player or taking your team away? Get real and a freaking life!



Go HH,let them know they have crossed the line!

hollywood_texan
12-07-2006, 04:34 PM
Twice as many wins as last season,realistic potential of going 6-10. Three times as many wins as last season 2 wins from .500 in one year with a beat to s**t O-line. Wow, I dont now what your sniffing? I don't think that is terrible, next year maybe 10-6.

Beat the Raiders, Dolphins, and for some reason the Jags, what is wrong with those guys?

The wins you are referring to are the same fake facade from the heralded 2004 season of 7-9. A W is a W, you are right there, but they are not all the the same.

So what if the Texans don't beat the Titans and Browns at home and end up 4-12?

The Texans are a crappy team until they prove otherwise.


You say people should have their feet put to the fire and we shouldn't stand for bad coaching/management.............and we didn't

The Texans turned over from GM on down and had a excellent draft, its going to take more than 3/4 of a season for the new talent/coaches to trickle results into the win colum. We gave Capers 4 years........Kubiak has a very realistic chance to match Capers best season, in year one, can he give the man some time please.

Look at the bottom teams last year, several of them are turning things around, yet the Texans are still hanging out at the bottom. The Texans are the same team they have always been since 2002, looking forward to next year and maybe get to .500.

Hookem Horns
12-07-2006, 04:35 PM
Go HH,let them know they have crossed the line!

You know I loved VY too, but he plays for Bud now. Vince to me is collateral damage.

ib4texans
12-07-2006, 04:41 PM
Beat the Raiders, Dolphins, and for some reason the Jags, what is wrong with those guys?
The wins you are referring to are the same fake facade from the heralded 2004 season of 7-9. A W is a W, you are right there, but they are not all the the same.

So what if the Texans don't beat the Titans and Browns at home and end up 4-12?

The Texans are a crappy team until they prove otherwise.



Look at the bottom teams last year, several of them are turning things around, yet the Texans are still hanging out at the bottom. The Texans are the same team they have always been since 2002, looking forward to next year and maybe get to .500.



Just because we beat them doesn't turn them to instant crap. The Raider's were able to beat the defending SB champs at home. The Dolphins have beat good teams 4 wins in a row. Don't tell me the Jags don't beat good teams either. 2-14 last year sucked,4-12 won't make me do somersaults,6-10 I can happily wait for more improvements next year.

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 04:42 PM
If everyone in Texas are turning into Titans fans then it is time for me to move back North again. This is all disgusting.

BTW, I will probably be changing my username after this game. I am ashamed of UT fan right now and really don't want to be associated with them.

Oh and another BTW, for you fans that want to root against Bob McNair's team because you didn't like that he passed on the Houston Hero, do you realize you are rooting for the guy that took the team away from Houston? What's worse, not drafting your player or taking your team away? Get real and a freaking life!


Well Hook'em... You are the second Horn alum on this board to speak the truth. I as a Texans fan appreciate and applaud your sentiments. I'm sorry that it has come down to you being ashamed of Horn fans and also threatening to move back North...

You and I have disagreed on issues (whether here or another board), but it has always been fun or in jest.

Its a sad commentary, really.

Again, I applaud your thoughts and comments.

wolfscar
12-07-2006, 04:44 PM
Somebody said in another post if you're going to cheer or boo for VY. I know there are a lot of UT fans and thats fine it doesnt bother me if they cheer for him when he's introduced. I would find it disgusting if anyone booed him. VY didn't do anything to us or the city of houston. he declared early because he wanted to play for us, to boo him would be completely wrong. it would look really bad on the texans fans and houston. coincidely i can see espn talking about this game if it was a big game and making fun of the texans if it was louder for VY than the texans.

Dont boo, just cheer our defense and our offense a lot louder than the VY/titans fans. end of story.

Yep.

ib4texans
12-07-2006, 04:45 PM
Well Hook'em... You are the second Horn alum on this board to speak the truth. I as a Texans fan appreciate and applaud your sentiments. I'm sorry that it has come down to you being ashamed of Horn fans and also threatening to move back North...

You and I have disagreed on issues (whether here or another board), but it has always been fun or in jest.

Its a sad commentary, really.

Again, I applaud your thoughts and comments.



I like it when the fans stand united in the face of the enemy!:grouphug:

Hookem Horns
12-07-2006, 04:47 PM
I'll be honest here. I too am getting a little turned off of the Texans. However, it's not so much the front office decisions as it is the fans. It's embarrassing right now to be a Texans fan when everyone sees the city turning on it's own team because of one player. I don't live in Houston anymore and have lived in several other NFL cities since. I KNOW you would not see this crap in either New York or Philly. Imagine an Eagles fan wearing a Giants jersey to the Linc just because the Giants drafted a fan favorite from Penn State or a Giants fan wearing an Eagles jersey to Giants Stadium because of a fan favorite player from Syracuse or Rutgers was drafted by the Eagles. Having lived in both of those areas I am telling you that would NEVER happen. The guilty person would probably be lynched in the parking lot. I'm embarrassed to be from this state right now.

infantrycak
12-07-2006, 04:48 PM
The wins you are referring to are the same fake facade from the heralded 2004 season of 7-9. A W is a W, you are right there, but they are not all the the same.

So what if the Texans don't beat the Titans and Browns at home and end up 4-12?

The Texans are a crappy team until they prove otherwise.

So presumably you think the Saints are smoke and mirrors as well. They have only played two winning teams and lost to both. Their wins have all come against losing teams.

Hookem Horns
12-07-2006, 04:49 PM
Well Hook'em... You are the second Horn alum on this board to speak the truth.

For the record I am NOT a UT alum. I was born in the Austin area and grew up rooting for the Horns my whole life, even when I lived out of state which was a long time. However, I went to school at Delaware.

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 04:51 PM
For the record I am NOT a UT alum. I was born in the Austin area and grew up rooting for the Horns my whole life, even when I lived out of state which was a long time. However, I went to school at Delaware.

Thats fine.. It's your commentary that counted and should resonate with the fans reading them...

Carr Bombed
12-07-2006, 04:54 PM
Look at the bottom teams last year, several of them are turning things around, yet the Texans are still hanging out at the bottom. The Texans are the same team they have always been since 2002, looking forward to next year and maybe get to .500.

This is not the same team.

Our defense has been dominant at times this year and (yes....next year) next year they will be dominant if he plug a couple of holes.

Kubiak just has to get the offense to play at a avg. level, they don't have to be great just avg. on offense.

I'm sorry but Kubiak and Smith didn't know what they had comming in, they took the team for a test drive this year, now lets give them a offseason and another draft to turn this thing around...........thats only fair.

Double Barrel
12-07-2006, 05:23 PM
I'll be honest here. I too am getting a little turned off of the Texans. However, it's not so much the front office decisions as it is the fans. It's embarrassing right now to be a Texans fan when everyone sees the city turning on it's own team because of one player. I don't live in Houston anymore and have lived in several other NFL cities since. I KNOW you would not see this crap in either New York or Philly. Imagine an Eagles fan wearing a Giants jersey to the Linc just because the Giants drafted a fan favorite from Penn State or a Giants fan wearing an Eagles jersey to Giants Stadium because of a fan favorite player from Syracuse or Rutgers was drafted by the Eagles. Having lived in both of those areas I am telling you that would NEVER happen. The guilty person would probably be lynched in the parking lot. I'm embarrassed to be from this state right now.

HH, you can't leave us now in our time of need! You're a football fanatic, and you know that it's in your heart and blood. I know you're probably just venting, but just the same, know that there are others out there like you.

LOUD PROUD & TEXAN! :texflag:

Goldeagle
12-07-2006, 06:11 PM
I can see giving a Vince a hand the first time but afte that, support your team!

I have to agree with McLain, and this is why I hate Houston fan. You did not see the Skins or Cowboys cheering for the other team even though they were not happy with their QB. Its disgraceful and the people who cheer on VY and the Titans make the rest of Houston sports fan look pathetic in other cities (as I have been told by my friends spread out across this Country).

Hookem Horns
12-07-2006, 06:13 PM
I wonder how many UT/Cowboys fans would root for the Redskins over the Cowboys if Vince was with the Skins QB?

hollywood_texan
12-07-2006, 06:35 PM
I wonder how many UT/Cowboys fans would root for the Redskins over the Cowboys if Vince was with the Skins QB?

This really isn't about Vince, but about the garbage over the past few years and some really stupid decisions. As far as I am concerned, the Texans make it very hard to root for them!

Vince is just an amazing lightning rod to send the whole thing over the top, that's all that is.

It's very simple, the Texans need to start winning games now, and pull an amazing upset either against the Colts or the Pats.

Texans win 3 of the last 4, the Vince thing really won't be an issue. The Texans can take care of this very easily all by themselves.

But, waiting till next year isn't going to work anymore considering the situation of this Franchise. And how many times are we going to hear that anyway?

That is really my point! Factor in the Vince situation, and now you got a MUTINY!

FanFromCali
12-07-2006, 06:38 PM
I can’t tell you how great it is to read comments by people who don’t give a crap where VY went. It just shows that there really are Texan fans here.

All I want is to see the Texans stomp VY into the ground.

bayoumaniac
12-07-2006, 06:44 PM
Originally Posted by HOU-TEX
I think it's kind of sad myself. Hey, it's typical for Houston though.

Yes, very typical.

Ditto! Very Typical. I myself am a die-hard Texans fan....good or bad!

Charter PSL Fan
12-07-2006, 06:50 PM
Go Texans! Go Sooners! The real BiG 12 Champs

texaslifter
12-07-2006, 07:06 PM
Dear geniuses on this board:

- Rooting for Vince is not rooting for the Titans.
- Wearing a UT Vince jersey is not the same as wearing a Titans jersey.
- Thinking you can't root for a player on the opposite team, while still supporting your own is lol-erific.

texaslifter
12-07-2006, 07:07 PM
This really isn't about Vince, but about the garbage over the past few years and some really stupid decisions. As far as I am concerned, the Texans make it very hard to root for them!

Vince is just an amazing lightning rod to send the whole thing over the top, that's all that is.

It's very simple, the Texans need to start winning games now, and pull an amazing upset either against the Colts or the Pats.

Texans win 3 of the last 4, the Vince thing really won't be an issue. The Texans can take care of this very easily all by themselves.

But, waiting till next year isn't going to work anymore considering the situation of this Franchise. And how many times are we going to hear that anyway?

That is really my point! Factor in the Vince situation, and now you got a MUTINY!

Thats not at all the issue with most people. They are longhorn fans, and will always support their hero. That doesn't mean they don't want the texans to succeed, and it doesn't mean they are starting mutiny of their own team. :rolleyes:

texaslifter
12-07-2006, 07:08 PM
Nobody expects you to turn your back on VY, just show where your allegiance is for this game. I like the Carolina Panthers as an NFC team,next year when we play them, its Texans all the way for that game. No discussion Texans are #1 in my book. You have already stated UT is your #1,that is what people on this board have a problem with.

UT doesn't play the Texans. I can be a fan of both.

texaslifter
12-07-2006, 07:11 PM
(a)

Then say no more. You are a college fan over a pro football fan, and there is nothing wrong with that. To each his own, but when you come into the Texans board and start talking trash, expect it in return.

(b)

That's something to brag about. I'm sure you're grandkids will be proud. Did you get a gold medal? You should have.

A) The only people I'm talking trash to are those who are dumb enough to think I can't support Vince while rooting for the texans. I'm not berating texans fans, I'm berating dumb people.

B) Everyone knows there is a direct correlation between how much beer you drink vs how much you are supporting your team. If you do not know this, then I am questioning YOUR fanaticism.

QB75
12-07-2006, 07:24 PM
Are yall surprised? Of course there will be a ton of people with #10 jerseys. Heck even I went to the store yesterday to buy one.


There are more Longhorn fans than there are Texans fans. Anyone care to disagree?

Gee Einstein, I wonder why that would be the case? Maybe because the Texans have existed for 5 years and the Longhorns for almost 100. Congratulations on your new #10 jersey.

Kaiser Toro
12-07-2006, 07:44 PM
I will be in my seats cheering like a fool for the Texans as usual - spilling beer on the gentleman in front of me, pissing off the opposing team's fans that are always friggin behind me and at least two run ins with vendors.

I would not mind seeing some VY flare myself as a Horn fan not to mention implications of his results in my fantasy life. No different when you circle the calendar in the past to see a certain someone perform that you have always respected and enjoyed his play. But make no mistake about it I am sick of being entertained with fantasy football rather than real football. Last home game stunk, but at least I was entertained and the experience resembled an NFL game.

Will I cheer for Vince? Negative, not even one hook'em sign, but there may a couple of ooh's and ahh's. The kid is fun to watch.

aj.
12-07-2006, 07:47 PM
That is really my point! Factor in the Vince situation, and now you got a MUTINY!

No you don't. You 'got' fair weather fans, frontrunners and bandwagoners doing what they do.

And before you lay the natural reaction blind homer tag on me, I'm not happy with the current state of the Texans either, and I'm acutely aware of what's going on. I'm just not predisposed to show everyone in the country what a collective set of dumb asses Houston fans are by donning a division rivals jersey in our own stadium and cheering for them to beat our own team. Especially when it's the team owned by the guy who told us to stick it up our ass 10 years ago.

hollywood_texan
12-07-2006, 08:12 PM
No you don't. You 'got' fair weather fans, frontrunners and bandwagoners doing what they do.

And before you lay the natural reaction blind homer tag on me, I'm not happy with the current state of the Texans either, and I'm acutely aware of what's going on. I'm just not predisposed to show everyone in the country what a collective set of dumb asses Houston fans are by donning a division rivals jersey in our own stadium and cheering for them to beat our own team. Especially when it's the team owned by the guy who told us to stick it up our ass 10 years ago.

The Texans have a hard time winning football games, and take out the first game against the Cowboys, the Texans are really unimportant when it comes to their history.

Hypothetically, let's say the Texans won the Super Bowl the first year and did exactly the same for year two to now, I don't think you would have all this uproar and talk of Vince.

The Texans are quickly being known as a bunch of losers, factor in the Vince situation, which provides insult to injury, you get this situation.

The quickest way to fix this is for the Texans to win 3 of the next 4. They do that, and the Vince jersey's will go away.

This whole situation is the doing of the Texans, you have to win games at some point or things are going to get ugly. And if you have never won games, that makes it even worse!

Who wants to root for a bunch of losers anyway?

Vinny
12-07-2006, 08:14 PM
Who wants to root for a bunch of losers anyway?
the core fans hang in there in the dark years. The fringe guys all go find something else to do and when the team starts to win they jump back on. There is a term for that in sports.

aj.
12-07-2006, 08:18 PM
Who wants to root for a bunch of losers anyway?

I've been attending NFL games since the early 70's and have seen the fairweather fringe ebb and flow many times. Winning and losing is cyclic. People (especially here) bail/don't care when they lose and then come back and cheer when they win. That's why we lost the NFL in the first place (because Bud got the itch in a down cycle when it wasn't in vogue to root for the Oilers). Now they are running back to kiss his ring, whether they realize it or not.

I will be taking advantage of the situation on Sunday because I know there will be a lot of newbies in the stands and I will be encouraging all of them to stand and scream to support Vince when he's on the field. Comic relief if nothing else.

phantom17
12-07-2006, 08:19 PM
I will be cheering for Mario or Demeco sacking or pummeling Vince Young!!!! I have NO love for the Titans & it's evil owner Bud ( the twin brother of Al Davies) Adams!:cowboy1: :mario2: :mario3:

kfranco_utexas
12-07-2006, 08:22 PM
At least Bud did something right.:rolleyes:

hollywood_texan
12-07-2006, 08:25 PM
the core fans hang in there in the dark years. The fringe guys all go find something else to do and when the team starts to win they jump back on. There is a term for that in sports.

The Texans have never won anything of significance, still haven't won three in a row, and that doesn't look to change for several years.

That is my point, if they had at least had a winning season somewhere, this really wouldn't be an issue.

The longer they continue these losing ways, the more it gets put in cemet they are bunch of losers.



I've been attending NFL games since the early 70's. Winning and losing is cyclic. People (especially here) bail/don't care when they lose and then come back and cheer when they win. That's why we lost the NFL in the first place (because Bud got the itch in a down cycle). This is like Newtons Fourth Law.

There hasn't even been a cycle yet to win, and in today's NFL, that is unacceptable.

As for Bud, I take that situation as Bud is a jerk and he didn't get along with the Mayor and wanted to prove a point.

phantom17
12-07-2006, 08:26 PM
At least Bud did something right.:rolleyes:

Bud did H-Town a favor by moving a team that never won a Super-Bowl in like 47 yrs.!!!! GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!

Carr Bombed
12-07-2006, 08:27 PM
At least Bud did something right.:rolleyes:

Yep after 7 games Vince Young has been inducted into the profootball hall of fame, his speaker to introduce him...........Reggie Bush, its supposed to take place next Saturday..........don't miss it.

Mr. B
12-07-2006, 08:29 PM
Saints fans have been cheering and rooting on their losing team for going on 30 years now. They may have put bags on their heads at times and done some other crazy things but they have always been passionate for their Saints regardless of how many losing seasons they have had.

Bags yes but never put on another teams jersey and cheer for some guy who went to college in the same state. We have had way to many native sons who have gone to other teams.

B

Kaiser Toro
12-07-2006, 08:29 PM
Yep after 7 games Vince Young has been inducted into the profootball hall of fame, his speaker to introduce him...........Reggie Bush, its supposed to take place next Saturday..........don't miss it.

What channel will that be on? ;)

HoustonFan
12-07-2006, 08:29 PM
This games reminds me somewhat of the Ravens-Titans game earlier this year. There were a lot of #9 jerseys in the stands, some blue, some purple.

McNair got a standing ovation from the crowd when he was introduced. But during the game, I am pretty sure the Titans-McNair fans in the crowrd weren't cheering for McNair and Mason when they scored the game winning TD.



I sure hope that this is the way it goes down Sunday w/ the Texans getting the win.

Carr Bombed
12-07-2006, 08:30 PM
What channel will that be on? ;)

ESPN of course

aj.
12-07-2006, 08:32 PM
There hasn't even been a cycle yet to win, and in today's NFL, that is unacceptable.


Of course it's unacceptable. But not nearly as unacceptable as openly rooting for a division rival in our own stadium.

I expect that what I see on Sunday will surpass the poorly promoted "save the Oilers" Derrick Club rally on the steps of City Hall as the benchmark of bad when it comes to Houston's rep as NFL fans.

gwallaia
12-07-2006, 08:37 PM
aj,

This is the most one-sided, dominating debate I ever seen on this message board.

Yvette
12-07-2006, 08:54 PM
Who wants to root for a bunch of losers anyway?
Then you aren't a fan.

Main Entry: 3fan
Function: noun
Etymology: probably short for fanatic
1 : an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator
2 : an ardent admirer or enthusiast (as of a celebrity or a pursuit) <science-fiction fans>

vinceyoungfan
12-07-2006, 09:09 PM
All this Vince Young is god talk reminds me of all the Reggie Bush is god talk we heard last year at this time.

Mario and DeMeco will eat him for lunch.


oh like they did the last meeting? :shoot:

seriously I think it's kind of childish telling people who they can and can't cheer for. If people living in Texas want to cheer for Vince Young that is their business and not yours. It's not for us to judge who is a "Real" fan of the Texans and who isn't.

I was looking at another texans message board and the poster asked for fans to cheer for Vince and only because to show the owners of your team that you're pissed with the decision to pass up vince or reggie. I'm not telling you to do this but it does make sense.

kfranco_utexas
12-07-2006, 09:13 PM
Hi vinceyoungfan!:dance3:

Kaiser Toro
12-07-2006, 09:16 PM
Then you aren't a fan.

Main Entry: 3fan
Function: noun
Etymology: probably short for fanatic
1 : an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator
2 : an ardent admirer or enthusiast (as of a celebrity or a pursuit) <science-fiction fans>

He could be a fan of losers or loosers? Not sure how you spell it up in Nash Vegas, but both forms seem acceptable in the H.I.S.D. :neener:

kfranco_utexas
12-07-2006, 09:18 PM
Kaiser, why are you making fun of H.I.S.D?:tearup:

Yvette
12-07-2006, 09:23 PM
He could be a fan of losers or loosers? Not sure how you spell it up in Nash Vegas, but both forms seem acceptable in the H.I.S.D. :neener:
Well, he pretty much said he doesn't want to root for losers so he can't be a fan.

:tease: back at you

vinceyoungfan
12-07-2006, 09:55 PM
Not sure exactly where the thread has turned...and I didn't read anything but the title of the thread.

I've always believed that Houston fans are the most fickle fans in ALL of sports!

But as far as cheering for Vince...or ANY Titans team...ANYMORE...

Not gonna happen.

Not after the way those guys over there on their boards were treating Texans fans today!

I used to be a Titans fan. I liked Kearse, McNair, George, Matthews and the rest of the Oilers crew. NO MORE! Not this fella. Any sentimental(sp) feelings are GONE, after today!

sorry you had a bad experience at titansonline.com. I didn't have anything to do with that. I only saw bits and pieces of that thread. I don't remember any of it to tell you the truth.

Yvette
12-07-2006, 10:01 PM
But as far as cheering for Vince...or ANY Titans team...ANYMORE...

Not gonna happen.

Not after the way those guys over there on their boards were treating Texans fans today!

I used to be a Titans fan. I liked Kearse, McNair, George, Matthews and the rest of the Oilers crew. NO MORE! Not this fella. Any sentimental(sp) feelings are GONE, after today!
Well there you go, Houston. Send all your fence riding fans to our board and they'll come running back to you in no time flat :D

Mr. White
12-07-2006, 10:05 PM
"Half the stadium or more cheering for Vince"

Well, I'll be damned. Who woulda thunk it? I guess that's to be expected until the Texans start winning some games.

There must be more Vince Young threads here now than David Carr threads. I don't know this place anymore.

kfranco_utexas
12-07-2006, 10:09 PM
You'd be surprised to see the vast number of Longhorn supporters that will be there just for VY.

Speedy
12-07-2006, 10:18 PM
I just don't get all of this. Where I grew up, and that's right here in Houston, you didn't root for the opposing team, the opposing teams players or anything like that. I don't care how many Hall of Famers were on the Pittsburgh Steelers, I hated them 24/7 and would never ever hope they did good. They were the enemy. Now that I'm a little older and looking back on some of the great players they had....I still hate those bass turds.

As bad as our franchise is/has been, the goal for us all (players, fans, etc.) is to get the W on Sunday. That's what I'm rooting and cheering and screaming my ass off for on Sunday, regardless of what I think about any of the players, on my own team or the other.

I'm a big fan of Bret Favre, but when he came here to play the Texans, and even though it was the only time I'd probably ever get to see him play in person, I wanted a mudhole stomped into his ass that night.

If you're a Young fan, that's fine. If you're a Texans fan too, that's a tough one because he's a division opponent. There MIGHT be some years down the road where these two teams knock each other around pretty good, knocking each other out of the playoffs and such. For me it's pretty simple. The team is bigger than a player.

I agree though, with the 'typical' Houston fan sentiment. Hell, people were cheering for Barroid Bonds when he was going for 70 a couple of years ago and booing the Astros when they walked him. Like they didn't care about winning or losing, and I just don't get that. That's not what being a fan means to me.

I still contend that all of this will change with winning. The Texans haven't had a chance to build on the fan base they have (us diehards) because they haven't won yet. The fence straddlers and casuals haven't been converted yet and won't be until the Texans win and get this town back to the pom-pom shaking frenzy it once was.

The previous regime set us back big time. This is Kubiak's first year. And look at the player turnover already. He'll get this thing going in the right direction, it's just not going to happen overnight. And believe me, I'm as tired of losing as anybody. I hate losing. I've left that stadium on many occasions steaming freaking angry as hell. But I'm right back in my seat the next game, rooting, cheering, and screaming my ass off for the HOUSTON TEXANS to get that W.

kfranco_utexas
12-07-2006, 10:22 PM
http://www.texags.com/images/forum/icon23.gif
Vince has IT.

Double Barrel
12-08-2006, 12:14 AM
Everyone knows there is a direct correlation between how much beer you drink vs how much you are supporting your team. If you do not know this, then I am questioning YOUR fanaticism.

Alrighty....good luck with those AA meetings down the road.... :ok:

aj,

This is the most one-sided, dominating debate I ever seen on this message board.

I agree. Well said, aj....wish that was a Voice of the Fan.

the core fans hang in there in the dark years. The fringe guys all go find something else to do and when the team starts to win they jump back on. There is a term for that in sports.

Wish I could fit this in my sig, because it defines the NFL standard for fanatic. These fairweather Houston fans can twist the definition all they want, but they're denying the precedent set by other teams to be a fan.

I will be taking advantage of the situation on Sunday because I know there will be a lot of newbies in the stands and I will be encouraging all of them to stand and scream to support Vince when he's on the field. Comic relief if nothing else.

Without a doubt. I will encourage everyone to cheer as loud as possible when Vince Young is running his offense. You know, to tell him how much everyone appreciates him and all. :spy:

As for Bud, I take that situation as Bud is a jerk and he didn't get along with the Mayor and wanted to prove a point.

That's revisionist history, man. Bud used Jacksonville to get the city to put $80 million into Astrodome rennovations, taking out the infamous scoreboard for 10,000+ seats (funded by a 30 year bond which we still owe around $50 million today).

Within 10 years, he demanded a taxpayer built stadium with the land donated (near downtown), and he would control the stadium 100% (excluding anything to do with the Houston Rodeo).

Bud screwed the fans. Period. He would have gotten a stadium if he just waited and was willing to pitch in some funds. He is a greedy sob and a sorry human being as far as I'm concerned (especially in light of wiping the history of the "Houston Oilers" from record books and the Hall of Fame).

Yep after 7 games Vince Young has been inducted into the profootball hall of fame, his speaker to introduce him...........Reggie Bush, its supposed to take place next Saturday..........don't miss it.

Actually, they're going to change the name to the Vince Young Pro Football Hall of Fame. :shades:

Texansfan36
12-08-2006, 12:30 AM
oh like they did the last meeting? :shoot:

seriously I think it's kind of childish telling people who they can and can't cheer for. If people living in Texas want to cheer for Vince Young that is their business and not yours. It's not for us to judge who is a "Real" fan of the Texans and who isn't.

I was looking at another texans message board and the poster asked for fans to cheer for Vince and only because to show the owners of your team that you're pissed with the decision to pass up vince or reggie. I'm not telling you to do this but it does make sense.

You really want to know what is childish? People on here claiming to be true Texan "Fans" and then rooting for a hated division rival to beat the Texans. How is that not childish. I'm telling you to not promote yourself as a Texan fan and then root for the Texans to lose because your still whining over the fact that they didn't draft your hero. What some of these so called fans are doing is just plain disgusting. Okay lets say you go to so and so high school in the area. Your QB leads your team one of the most memorable state championship victories ever. Now lets say you like The U. of Texas, and your oustanding QB gets turned down by Texas and goes to Texas A&M, are you seriously (as a die hard U. of Texas fan) going to root for Texas A&M to beat Texas because he didn't get recruited by Texas, No you are not. These so called "fans" are doing just that.

No offense to Texas A&M fans I was just using that as an example that most "Longhorn" fans can relate to.

Again I appologize in advance for any spelling or grammatical errors in this post.

Hookem Horns
12-08-2006, 12:36 AM
You really want to know what is childish? People on here claiming to be true Texan "Fans" and then rooting for a hated division rival to beat the Texans. How is that not childish. I'm telling you to not promote yourself as a Texan fan and then root for the Texans to lose because your still whining over the fact that they didn't draft your hero. What some of these so called fans are doing is just plain disgusting. Okay lets say you go to so and so high school in the area. Your QB leads your team one of the most memorable state championship victories ever. Now lets say you like The U. of Texas, and your oustanding QB gets turned down by Texas and goes to Texas A&M, are you seriously (as a die hard U. of Texas fan) going to root for Texas A&M to beat Texas because he didn't get recruited by Texas, No you are not. These so called "fans" are doing just that.

No offense to Texas A&M fans I was just using that as an example that most "Longhorn" fans can relate to.

Again I appologize in advance for any spelling or grammatical errors in this post.

I used that analogy earlier this season. What if Vince would have transferred to A&M instead of going to the NFL? Does every VY fan start rooting for the Aggies? Or what if your favorite high school player decides to go to Baylor instead of Texas? Do you root for Baylor now? Where do you stop and draw the line?

Titan "Tack" Fan
12-08-2006, 01:08 AM
I used that analogy earlier this season. What if Vince would have transferred to A&M instead of going to the NFL? Does every VY fan start rooting for the Aggies? Or what if your favorite high school player decides to go to Baylor instead of Texas? Do you root for Baylor now? Where do you stop and draw the line?

You cheer for the player. I love Joseph Addai and I will cheer for him while he on the Colts. I don't want the Colts to win, but I do want him to do well.

Texansfan36
12-08-2006, 01:13 AM
I have a different view on it, I think you should root for the team. Sure you can root for the player, but I don't think you should root for your team to lose because that player plays of a different team. Just my opinion nothing more.

Double Barrel
12-08-2006, 01:18 AM
You cheer for the player. I love Joseph Addai and I will cheer for him while he on the Colts. I don't want the Colts to win, but I do want him to do well.

This Sunday, do you root for Fred Weary to stop someone from sacking David Carr, or to make a block that allows a TD run? He went to Tennessee. Or how about Thomas Johnson to get a couple of sacks? He's a Middle Tennessee State player.

It's the same logic, no matter how much you justify it.

mancunian
12-08-2006, 01:50 AM
This games reminds me somewhat of the Ravens-Titans game earlier this year. There were a lot of #9 jerseys in the stands, some blue, some purple.

McNair got a standing ovation from the crowd when he was introduced. But during the game, I am pretty sure the Titans-McNair fans in the crowrd weren't cheering for McNair and Mason when they scored the game winning TD.

Young is going to get a lot of cheers before the game starts. I just don't see the fans there going crazy for him during the game itself (though there will likely be more fans cheering for him than normal).

There 's big difference there though - McNair had played for the Titans and was the face of the Titans for years.
Young hasn't played for the Texans and probably never will.

And Sunday I hope he gets run over by the Texans defence.

QB75
12-08-2006, 07:35 AM
You'd be surprised to see the vast number of Longhorn supporters that will be there just for VY.

Not really. They tend to move in an undistiguishable herd anyway.

Kaiser Toro
12-08-2006, 07:38 AM
Not really. They tend to move in an undistiguishable herd anyway.

Not sure if you are from Texas, but that would be more accurate for the Aggies. If you are an Aggie you can't have it both ways. Longhorns are either wine and cheese or hippies, they are not an indistinguishable herd.

Texan_Bill
12-08-2006, 07:59 AM
I've been attending NFL games since the early 70's and have seen the fairweather fringe ebb and flow many times. Winning and losing is cyclic. People (especially here) bail/don't care when they lose and then come back and cheer when they win. That's why we lost the NFL in the first place (because Bud got the itch in a down cycle when it wasn't in vogue to root for the Oilers). Now they are running back to kiss his ring, whether they realize it or not.

I will be taking advantage of the situation on Sunday because I know there will be a lot of newbies in the stands and I will be encouraging all of them to stand and scream to support Vince when he's on the field. Comic relief if nothing else.

I like that.... I think I will get my section to stand and cheer loudly when Vince is on the field....

Texan_Bill
12-08-2006, 08:02 AM
In fact... Instead of half the stadium cheering for Vince, lets get the whole stadium cheering when Vince is on the field....

real
12-08-2006, 08:07 AM
This Sunday, do you root for Fred Weary to stop someone from sacking David Carr, or to make a block that allows a TD run? He went to Tennessee. Or how about Thomas Johnson to get a couple of sacks? He's a Middle Tennessee State player.

It's the same logic, no matter how much you justify it.

I think it's like when parents have sons who play on opposite teams....

There is no clear cut answer or definition of what a "true fan" is....

That's like saying If VY's "son" went to Texas A&M he'd have to root for the Longhorns to rub his own sons face in the dirt when they played...

I totally believe that you can hope that a player on another team plays well, while still hoping your team wins....I've played against family members b4, and I was happy that they had good games, but I still wanted my team to win and everytime I got a chance to crush them I did....but I still wished them well.....

Texanfan4ever
12-08-2006, 08:08 AM
Root for whoever you want, but to be a Texans fan at this game and wear a VY jersey? To go out this week and buy one to shove it down Bob McNair's, Kubiak's, Carr's, whoever else you pour into your hate mode, is an absolutely unbelievable, ridiculous type of behavior.

I would venture to guess that 3/4 of the people, if not more, that are going to do that could give a rat's a** about UT. They hate that we didn't take VY because they think he is God and they hate David Carr.

At any rate, this is now the NFL. College ended a long time ago. Grow up!

P.S. I am also a UT fan, and Houston native. I love UT. But newsflash!!!! VY isn't there anymore. He is with are arch rivals the Titans. Do what's right and support your team or stay home.

whiskeyrbl
12-08-2006, 08:13 AM
I think Peek said it best in yesterdays chronicle, I'll quote him if I may." Shame on the crowd if they come into our stadium and root for him." "Hey this is our house. When he comes in here, we're going to lock the gates up,and it's gonna be on after that." Sounds to me as if the Texans are not gonna roll out the red carpet. Maybe a stretcher. Cheer for your HOME team, or don't show up for anymore games. Stay on which ever side of the fence you choose.:cowboy1:

Kaiser Toro
12-08-2006, 08:16 AM
I think Peek said it best in yesterdays chronicle, I'll quote him if I may." Shame on the crowd if they come into our stadium and root for him." "Hey this is our house. When he comes in here, we're going to lock the gates up,and it's gonna be on after that." Sounds to me as if the Texans are not gonna roll out the red carpet. Maybe a stretcher. Cheer for your HOME team, or don't show up for anymore games. Stay on which ever side of the fence choose.:cowboy1:

I have been disappointed with Peek by and large. But I like that comment and I would like to see him back it up. It would curry a lot of favor with the fans and possibly the team.

Can you provide a link? Would like to see the context.

whiskeyrbl
12-08-2006, 08:19 AM
I have been disappointed with Peek by and large. But I like that comment and I would like to see him back it up. It would curry a lot of favor with the fans and possibly the team.

Can you provide a link? Would like to see the context.

It is in yesterday Dec. 7, 2006 Chronicle on page C8. not for sure but may be on www.chron.com in archives.

Texanfan4ever
12-08-2006, 08:20 AM
Peek's a neat guy. He about said it like it is. I hope all of our guys are fired up for this one.

I BELIEVE!!!!!!! This logo takes on a whole new meaning for this game :wherewill

You are either with us or against us!!

geofb
12-08-2006, 08:21 AM
Link: Nashvillecitypaper "Houston ready to welcome favorite son Young" (http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/index.cfm?section=43&screen=news&news_id=53580)

Puke.

Yes, double puke. The only thing about him I would welcome is if our defense kicks his butt. Vince, come to town, play your game, then get the hell out.

Kaiser Toro
12-08-2006, 08:22 AM
All you Texan fans who are praying for Vince to kick butt because you're a UT fan are living in the past.

Get over it and enjoy the Alamo Bowl for you Longhorn Fix.

Riiiiight. 35 years since the last time they won the NCAA Championship and then Colt McCoy to follow up. Relishing and appreciative of his time at UT is more appropriate. In the context of berating Texans' fans for not drafting VY, when they were most likely not a Texan fan in the first place, who cares.

JDizzle
12-08-2006, 08:22 AM
It is in yesterday Dec. 7, 2006 Chronicle on page C8. not for sure but may be on www.chron.com in archives.

Link To article (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4384853.html)

Antwan Peek has some words for Texans fans who plan to come to Reliant Stadium on Sunday and cheer for Vince Young: "Shame on the crowd if they come into our stadium and root for him," Peek said after Wednesday's practice. Peek said despite Young's hometown-favorite status, there should be no question about whose house Reliant Stadium really is.

"Hey, this is our house," Peek said. "When he comes in here, we're going to lock the gates up, and it's gonna to be on after that."

Kaiser Toro
12-08-2006, 08:28 AM
It is in yesterday Dec. 7, 2006 Chronicle on page C8. not for sure but may be on www.chron.com in archives.

I have seen a lot of discussion about the state of mind of Houston fans. I open up the Chron's site and the first thing that comes up is:
Man gets 27 years for machete attack — Harris County Prosecutor Anna Emmons holds the machete used by Hector Moquete to hack his ex-wife, Lillian Burgos. She says she forgives him.

Crazy is as crazy does.

HJam72
12-08-2006, 08:28 AM
I just got through listening to those comments by Peek on the Texans' site and it wasnt' like that. The context was more like smiling and just trying to think of something to say. He was just spitting out whatever came up.

cdastros
12-08-2006, 08:36 AM
At the end of the day, everyone will be cheering for Demeco. I think he will show the he is the true star of this game.:thumbup

Texan_Bill
12-08-2006, 08:42 AM
I want everyone to be on their feet, cheering extremely loud when Vince is on the field.... "GET LOUD"!! Scream, stomp your feet, slap the back of the seat in front of you (preferably if that person is also standing). Let Vince know he's in Houston...

Maddict5
12-08-2006, 09:04 AM
:texans: You make an excellent points, but the Texans are not even close to fielding a .500 team. Which is really my issue.

I can handle the rough bumps in the road and the down years, but the way things are going, this team may not hit .500 for a couple of years, if we are lucky.

Which is really my gripe.

As for the loyalty by Raiders fans, they have history to fall back on, the Texans don't. Considering the track record of McNair's decisions, I am beginning to wonder what history there will be except for the Texans have a fan base that is loyal but accepts losing as a tradition.

I know I am being harsh, but some people need to have their feet put to the fire. This has gone on long enough, and even though this team is strapped for talent, there are other teams in similar situations that show more heart and drive, and win enough to at least sniff around .500 from time to time.

i know its kind of coulda, woulda, shoulda but had we won the bills and titans games like we should only for mistakes- we'd be 6-6 right now... not saying we're a great team or anythinhg but we're not as far away as you make out imo

Dear geniuses on this board:

- Rooting for Vince is not rooting for the Titans.it is due to the fact that VY's performance will have a strong impact on who wins or loses
- Wearing a UT Vince jersey is not the same as wearing a Titans jersey.but it shows you're not a texans fan first and foremost
- Thinking you can't root for a player on the opposite team, while still supporting your own is lol-erific.id agree with you in most cases but a QB is different due to the fact that they impact the game the most

No you don't. You 'got' fair weather fans, frontrunners and bandwagoners doing what they do.

And before you lay the natural reaction blind homer tag on me, I'm not happy with the current state of the Texans either, and I'm acutely aware of what's going on. I'm just not predisposed to show everyone in the country what a collective set of dumb asses Houston fans are by donning a division rivals jersey in our own stadium and cheering for them to beat our own team. Especially when it's the team owned by the guy who told us to stick it up our ass 10 years ago.

^BEST POST ON THIS THREAD...RUNNING YOUR OWN LITTLE AGENDA'S WILL HURT THIS TEAM AND ORG. LONG-TERM...JUST TOO BLIND TO SEE IT

I want everyone to be on their feet, cheering extremely loud when Vince is on the field.... "GET LOUD"!! Scream, stomp your feet, slap the back of the seat in front of you (preferably if that person is also standing). Let Vince know he's in Houston...

GOOD PLAN-LETS ROAR FOR VINCE!!:mario3: :mario2: :mario:

eriadoc
12-08-2006, 09:53 AM
I have seen a lot of discussion about the state of mind of Houston fans. I open up the Chron's site and the first thing that comes up is:
Man gets 27 years for machete attack — Harris County Prosecutor Anna Emmons holds the machete used by Hector Moquete to hack his ex-wife, Lillian Burgos. She says she forgives him.

Crazy is as crazy does.

She was planning on wearing a #10 Titans jersey to the game. :shoot:

Stay on which ever side of the fence you choose.

Exactly. That's my new sig, thanks :bananasplit:

HJam72
12-08-2006, 10:15 AM
No you don't. You 'got' fair weather fans, frontrunners and bandwagoners doing what they do.

And before you lay the natural reaction blind homer tag on me, I'm not happy with the current state of the Texans either, and I'm acutely aware of what's going on. I'm just not predisposed to show everyone in the country what a collective set of dumb asses Houston fans are by donning a division rivals jersey in our own stadium and cheering for them to beat our own team. Especially when it's the team owned by the guy who told us to stick it up our ass 10 years ago.

I think "by donning a division rivals jersey in our own stadium and cheering for them to beat our own team" we pretty much are sticking it up our own ***es. Just doin' what he told us too. :brickwall

Double Barrel
12-08-2006, 10:36 AM
I think it's like when parents have sons who play on opposite teams....

There is no clear cut answer or definition of what a "true fan" is....


I've got a lot of respect for you, bro', but this is a cop-out, IMHO.

Unless you are related to Vince Young, your parent analogy does not work.

As far as definition of "true fan", look around the NFL for the precedents set by other NFL teams and cities. If we want to be a pansy city and define it according to our terms, then so be it, call it like it is.

BUT, if you look at Philly, Oakland, Cleveland, Green Bay, New York, Kansas City, etc., you will NEVER see this kind of shallow attitude towards being a fan of your hometown team. NEVER. Being a fanatic in those cities is clearly defined, and you would considered a TRAITOR to wear the opposing team's jersey because you support ONE player on the team.

I don't define the term "football fan". Years of precedent does, and if you have any respect for NFL tradition and history, you will clearly see it is a black and white definition by NFL standards. It's all about true allegiance.

yaboycm
12-08-2006, 10:42 AM
Link: Nashvillecitypaper "Houston ready to welcome favorite son Young" (http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/index.cfm?section=43&screen=news&news_id=53580)

Puke.

I WILL BE ONE OF THEM

BURNT ORANGE!

Texan_Bill
12-08-2006, 10:53 AM
Some people never learn..... Even 10 years later, Bud still manipulates a lot of you and you are too 'man-love' struck to know it..

real
12-08-2006, 11:00 AM
I don't define the term "football fan". Years of precedent does, and if you have any respect for NFL tradition, you will clearly see it is a black and white definition by NFL standards. It's all about true allegiance.

So if your son ends up in the NFL playing for the Jags, you're going to hope a Texan player breaks him in half ?

DB....I don't know Vince on a personal level, but I have played against him and hung out with him a couple times before he was VINCE....Teams come and go(The Oilers)...even players on your team come and go...by your standard, you should still be a fan of the Oilers....I happen to have a lot of respect for VY as a person, and IMO that supercedes anything football related...


I don't know if I was clear before....but

I would never wear a VY jersey to the game....

I would never cheer at the game if VY did something good....

And maybe my parent analogy was off, but I think I nailed it with the playing against a family member analogy....

At the end of the day after the Giants play the Bucs, do you think Ronde or Tiki are happy that the other performed well ?....Even though they are going directly against each other, I would almost gaurantee that at the end of the day, they are happy for the other one if he had a good game...

I can't help it.....I hope the guy does well....:spy:

Texan_Bill
12-08-2006, 11:12 AM
Truroyalty, I see where you are going with that analogy, but someone's own flesh and blood is not the same as a man-crush...

With respect to Tiki and Ronde, they are a rare exception, not only siblings but identical twins.

However, I do remember the Mathews boys getting after it, even though Clay very rarely lined up over Bruce. But there were occasions and they did try to knock the snot out of each other.

real
12-08-2006, 11:26 AM
But there were occasions and they did try to knock the snot out of each other.

I'm sure you all have competed against a famliy member or friend...Maybe not on as high a level as the NFL....but pick-up basketball....two hand touch in the back-yard.....even a game of cards....checkers...anything competitive.....

During that contest you are going to try to demolish whoever it is....but afterward if they had a good game against you, you'll commend them on a job well done and you'll be happy for them....

I know that most people cheering for VY aren't related to him, but the point is that it's a person that they have respect or admiration for....Nothing will change that....

real
12-08-2006, 11:29 AM
Truroyalty, I see where you are going with that analogy, but someone's own flesh and blood is not the same as a man-crush...


I don't know what a man-crush is.....

I think it falls into the same category as "carr-hater", "carr-lover" and all those other wacky terms....

I just used family as an example.....I'm just talking about having respect or admiration for a person....

Double Barrel
12-08-2006, 11:35 AM
So if your son ends up in the NFL playing for the Jags, you're going to hope a Texan player breaks him in half ?

It depends....are the Texans a playoff team by then? ;)

DB....I don't know Vince on a personal level, but I have played against him and hung out with him a couple times before he was VINCE....Teams come and go(The Oilers)...even players on your team come and go...by your standard, you should still be a fan of the Oilers....I happen to have a lot of respect for VY as a person, and IMO that supercedes anything football related...

You are an exception to the rule, man. You've got personal ties to the man, and I can respect that pov.

But the overwhelming majority of former Texans fans are either trying to 'prove a point' to the Texans FO, or are have more allegiance to an individual player over their team. Most of these fans will never meet Vince, so they do not have your exceptional personal experiences (which are really cool, btw).

I don't know if I was clear before....but

I would never wear a VY jersey to the game....

I would never cheer at the game if VY did something good....


That's all I'm asking for a Texans fan, my man. :texflag:

hollywood_texan
12-08-2006, 11:35 AM
i know its kind of coulda, woulda, shoulda but had we won the bills and titans games like we should only for mistakes- we'd be 6-6 right now... not saying we're a great team or anythinhg but we're not as far away as you make out imo



The entire Texans history is coulda, woulda, shoulda... Which is absolutely disgusting! You either win or you don't! And quality wins or statement wins would be nice from time to time, which the Texans have never done.

Which is exactly my point!

The Texans are in control of this situation, beat the Titans, Browns, and split between the Colts and Pats, and they will solve most of the fan base problems and cut-off the legs (I think you guys might like the analogy due to Vince situation) to any valid Vince discussion. But, if they drop the next 4, which is very likely considering their track record, particularly at the end of a season, the Vince situation brings insult to injury. Which is another point, this whole Vince discussion is a referendum on the entire Texans incompentence, Vince is just the flashpoint to start the entire disaster.

I am getting very frustrated that I need to be more patient and be more of a fan. The Texans need to bring more to the table if they want to keep a fan base, it is a two-way street! If you want fans that support the team and spend money, you better win some key games and show the fans there is something worth supporting. The whole world can't be die-hard fans like you. It is nice to have a loyal fan base, but if you want to expand it, you have to win!

Hopefully you guys see my point here.

real
12-08-2006, 11:44 AM
But the overwhelming majority of former Texans fans are either trying to 'prove a point' to the Texans FO, or are have more allegiance to an individual player over their team. Most of these fans will never meet Vince, so they do not have your exceptional personal experiences (which are really cool, btw).


The starting LT for the Longhorns, Tony Hills, is my personal friend...He was the TE on my highschool team....that's how I hung with the guy....


But on the whole, wanting VY do blast the Texans because you want the front office to realize they made a mistake kinda makes me sick......I don't understand that POV, because that's almost like cheering against Mario, and I love Mario....He's one of those type of famous people that you see out and about and he'll talk to you....or atleast say what's up if you speak to him.....

Maybe we were just missing eachother....

real
12-08-2006, 11:45 AM
It depends....are the Texans a playoff team by then? ;)


LOL......:rolleyes:

aj.
12-08-2006, 11:48 AM
Hopefully you guys see my point here.


We see your point. You made it at least 5 or 6 times in this thread alone.

Now allow me to make a point that seems to be lost on many: Most if not all of the 'die hards' are just as pissed off as the fairweathers/bandwagoners. [the crowd gasps] Furthermore, having to deal with the fairweathers/bandwagoners only adds another element of frustration to the die hard fan's existence.

I see the 'die hards' voicing their frustration at games, on sports talk radio, in newspapers, on message boards, in letters, phone calls, and email, to the Texans. As a collective group, I don't see them blindly accepting what's happening. Far from it. And they sure as hell don't cheer for a division rival (who the Texans can tie in the standings with a win) or wear the jersey of that opponent to their own home team's games. All that does is make a bad situation worse - and reflect poorly on the fan base as a whole ... not to mention helping to demoralize our own players.



But on the whole, wanting VY do blast the Texans because you want the front office to realize they made a mistake kinda makes me sick......I don't understand that POV, because that's almost like cheering against Mario, ....

There's no 'almost' about it. Demonsrative cheering for VY throughout the game IS cheering for the Titans and against not only Mario, but against the other 52 players and coaches, and Texans fans. If you really are a Titans fan, bandwagon or otherwise, go for it. If you call yourself a Texans fan and don the wolf's clothing to 'prove a point,' it's well past time to let it go - the Rose Bowl was in January '06, the Alamo Bowl is coming up, and the '07 recruits are going to be in Austin in about six months.

real
12-08-2006, 11:50 AM
And they sure as hell don't cheer for a division rival (who we can tie in the standings with a win) or wear the jersey of that opponent to our own home games. All that does is make a bad situation worse - and reflect poorly on the fan base as a whole.

I agree with this...

Anybody that wants the Titans to win is a Titans fan....

ib4texans
12-08-2006, 11:56 AM
We see your point. You made it at least 5 or 6 times in this thread alone.

Now allow me to make a point that seems to be lost on many: Most if not all of the 'die hards' are just as pissed off as the fairweathers/bandwagoners. Having to deal with the fairweathers/bandwagoners only adds another element of frustration to their fan existence.

The 'die hards' voice their frustration at games, on sports talk radio, in newspapers, on message boards, in letters to the Texans, etc. As a collective group, they are not blindly accepting what's happening. Far from it. And they sure as hell don't cheer for a division rival (who the Texans can tie in the standings with a win) or wear the jersey of that opponent to our own home games. All that does is make a bad situation worse - and reflect poorly on the fan base as a whole.



Amen to that Brother!

hollywood_texan
12-08-2006, 12:01 PM
We see your point. You made it at least 5 or 6 times in this thread alone.



My point wasn't to make anyone upset, but to see it from a different perspective on this whole thing than just from a die-hard fan. Which I thought was severly lacking.

You guys can talk about this among yourselves and do the hand ringing all you want, but unless the Texans win, this is going to be an issue and Vince will be the lightning rod if he keeps up with his peformances. You guys don't seem to recognize that and that is why I keep saying the same thing. Texans win, it is so simple!!!

It's not only hard to cheer for Texans for me because they are absolutely pathetic, it is now becoming tough to hang out on this board. But, I am repeating myself, which isn't okay, unless I am a die-hard complaining about turncoats.

I will leave you guys to it and the last word.

Adios!

Texan_Bill
12-08-2006, 12:04 PM
I don't know what a man-crush is.....

I think it falls into the same category as "carr-hater", "carr-lover" and all those other wacky terms....

I just used family as an example.....I'm just talking about having respect or admiration for a person....

That was just said "tongue in cheek"... Don't read too much into...

As far as competing with siblings, it got down right bloody.... There were no hugs or high fives afterwards. Sometimes it would take a week or so just to acknowledge the other one...

ib4texans
12-08-2006, 12:06 PM
My point wasn't to make anyone upset, but to see it from a different perspective on this whole thing than just from a die-hard fan. Which I thought was severly lacking.

You guys can talk about this among yourselves and do the hand ringing all you want, but unless the Texans win, this is going to be an issue and Vince will be the lightning rod if he keeps up with his peformances. You guys don't seem to recognize that and that is why I keep saying the same thing. Texans win, it is so simple!!!

It's not only hard to cheer for Texans for me because they are absolutely pathetic, it is now becoming tough to hang out on this board. But, I am repeating myself, which isn't okay, unless I am a die-hard complaining about turncoats.

I will leave you guys to it and the last word.

Adios!


Raiders fan's seem to be able to cheer for there team, IMO they are having a harder year than us last year. Nobody on that team is even trying to compete except their D. Bye the way David Carr had some fans cheering him there, it must have been a welcome change.

HJam72
12-08-2006, 12:08 PM
Man-crush: homosexual desire for a man (not that there's anything wrong with that). :hides:

HJam72
12-08-2006, 12:10 PM
...David Carr had some fans cheering him there, it must have been a welcome change.

Yes, but David is from California and is used to the whole man-crush, as previously defined, thing. :)

Texan_Bill
12-08-2006, 12:13 PM
Man-crush: homosexual desire for a man (not that there's anything wrong with that). :hides:

Hillarious!! :thumbup

aj.
12-08-2006, 12:15 PM
Texans win, it is so simple!!!



Yeah, we know. We get it.

hollywood_texan
12-08-2006, 12:20 PM
Raiders fan's seem to be able to cheer for there team, IMO they are having a harder year than us last year. Nobody on that team is even trying to compete except their D. Bye the way David Carr had some fans cheering him there, it must have been a welcome change.

I was at the Raiders game last weekend, and I didn't hear any cheering for Carr. I walked all over the stadium before, during, and after the game, and from what I saw, they could really care less. I talked to a lot of Raider fans about Carr, and they really didn't even know who was. Just my perspective though, maybe I missed something.

As for Raiders fans, they have history, the Texans don't. I wouldn't be surprised if the Texans don't have a winning season in the first 10 years. They still haven't won more than 2 in a row in almost 5 years. That is the problem as I see it.

The Texans need to give the fans something to feel excited about except for Ryans in the hunt for ROY and can't wait for the draft next year.

It is just getting old, and I am repeating myself...

HJam72
12-08-2006, 12:42 PM
Maybe we can win 3 in a row with negative, net, passing yardage. :dance3:


Hey, Dilfer coulda done it. :)

gwallaia
12-08-2006, 12:44 PM
I will leave you guys to it and the last word.

Adios!

Well, that'll be the last we hear from him.



...oh wait,....nevermind.

Khari
12-08-2006, 12:45 PM
geebus this thread is long :tearup:

HJam72
12-08-2006, 12:48 PM
If it weren't for that Moulds thread, we could make the "Half the stadium or more cheering for Vince" thread our longest ever. What a joy.

JDizzle
12-08-2006, 01:24 PM
If it weren't for that Moulds thread, we could make the "Half the stadium or more cheering for Vince" thread our longest ever. What a joy.

Just goes to show you how touchy of a subject it is around here.

The only thing that would draw more Titan fans to Reliant is the concessions offering Mad Dog 20/20 and Mayonnaise sandwiches. Quite an accomplishment if you ask me.

Maddict5
12-08-2006, 01:26 PM
The entire Texans history is coulda, woulda, shoulda... Which is absolutely disgusting! You either win or you don't! And quality wins or statement wins would be nice from time to time, which the Texans have never done.

Which is exactly my point!

The Texans are in control of this situation, beat the Titans, Browns, and split between the Colts and Pats, and they will solve most of the fan base problems and cut-off the legs (I think you guys might like the analogy due to Vince situation) to any valid Vince discussion. But, if they drop the next 4, which is very likely considering their track record, particularly at the end of a season, the Vince situation brings insult to injury.

the jags game was a quality win this year- and we've shown glimpses..which is as much as you'll usually get with a young team and new head coach with some questionable players..personally im not too bothered if we dont win 3 of our last 4- 2 of the teams we're playing are established contenders and what difference would it make- im sorry but look at our roster right now..with the injuries we've had i dont know how you expect us to beat 2 teams playing for HFA in the playoffs ..once the players play well and we resolve some of the questions we have heading into next year...plus if they do that we wont lose all 4

Well, that'll be the last we hear from him.



...oh wait,....nevermind.

too funny

geebus this thread is long :tearup:

yep- when i saw it was 10 pages this morning..i thought there was something good in here..imagine my disappointment when i finished half an hour later

hollywood_texan
12-08-2006, 01:52 PM
Well, that'll be the last we hear from him.



...oh wait,....nevermind.

Well, maybe I am more of a fan than you think...

Maybe, I am little too passionate and let things fly a little, and just can't help myself.

But, as long as I bring a laugh, that is cool by me, even at my own expense.

Hope you enjoyed it!

:texan:

kingh99
12-08-2006, 02:01 PM
Well heck why not cheer for him while the goodness is still inside. VY is still Anakin. Enjoy it while it lasts. Next year he gets fitted with a special helmet. Sssssss.

Bamaborn-Texasbred
12-08-2006, 02:10 PM
He doesn't play for any Texas team any more. Let him go. Time to move on. Like it or not, your quarterback is David Carr. The guys you should be cheering when Vince is on the field are named Williams, Ryans, and Robinson. Get your TEXANS gear on and get to the stadium, your local bar, your couch, or wherever you like to enjoy Texans football.

Vince can kiss my skinny, white posterior.

Bamaborn-Texasbred
12-08-2006, 02:14 PM
Well heck why not cheer for him while the goodness is still inside. VY is still Anakin. Enjoy it while it lasts. Next year he gets fitted with a special helmet. Sssssss.

The goodness was gone when I saw him dancing in that TACK uniform.

Double Barrel
12-08-2006, 02:15 PM
The only thing that would draw more Titan fans to Reliant is the concessions offering Mad Dog 20/20 and Mayonnaise sandwiches. Quite an accomplishment if you ask me.

Throw some 2 for 1 moonpies into the mix, and you'll have a full scale invasion of Titans fans into our fair city.

*cue Dueling Banjos*

austintexanite
12-08-2006, 02:17 PM
Texan first and Longhorn second

Houston 24
Tenn 14

geofb
12-08-2006, 03:39 PM
I was at the Raiders game last weekend, and I didn't hear any cheering for Carr. I walked all over the stadium before, during, and after the game, and from what I saw, they could really care less. I talked to a lot of Raider fans about Carr, and they really didn't even know who was. Just my perspective though, maybe I missed something.

As for Raiders fans, they have history, the Texans don't. I wouldn't be surprised if the Texans don't have a winning season in the first 10 years. They still haven't won more than 2 in a row in almost 5 years. That is the problem as I see it.

The Texans need to give the fans something to feel excited about except for Ryans in the hunt for ROY and can't wait for the draft next year.

It is just getting old, and I am repeating myself...


yada, yada, friggin yada...geez.

BigWig
12-08-2006, 04:03 PM
"Half the stadium or more cheering for Vince"
But dont forget that if this is true then,
"Half the stadium or more cheering for Texans":spy:

Bamaborn-Texasbred
12-08-2006, 04:23 PM
"Half the stadium or more cheering for Vince"
But dont forget that if this is true then,
"Half the stadium or more cheering for Texans":spy:

The other 50% will be asleep.

-Yogi Berra

Bongo59
12-08-2006, 07:01 PM
Taken from another site.......................and the essence of what will make this rivalry a great one

"There are four official heroes of the State of Texas and two are Tennesseans. Sam Houston. Davy Crockett. Stephen F. Austin. And Earl Campbell. I think Vince should be the fifth. The only thing he didn't win was the Heisman, and if the vote had been taken after the Rose Bowl, he probably would have won that. When Vince steps on the field at Reliant Stadium, he will do so as a Texan and a Houstonian. He begged Bob Mcnair to select him, and when he got jilted he said he'd make them pay. It is now payback time. If there was ever a true Houston, Texan, it's Vince, and as far as I'm concerned, the imposters now masquerading under the logo of "Houston Texans" better LOOK OUT."

Kaiser Toro
12-08-2006, 07:17 PM
Taken from another site.......................and the essence of what will make this rivalry a great one

"There are four official heroes of the State of Texas and two are Tennesseans. Sam Houston. Davy Crockett. Stephen F. Austin. And Earl Campbell. I think Vince should be the fifth. The only thing he didn't win was the Heisman, and if the vote had been taken after the Rose Bowl, he probably would have won that. When Vince steps on the field at Reliant Stadium, he will do so as a Texan and a Houstonian. He begged Bob Mcnair to select him, and when he got jilted he said he make them pay. It is now payback time. If there was ever a true Houston, Texan, it's Vince, and as far as I'm concerned, the imposters now masquerading under the logo of "Houston Texans" better LOOK OUT."

If there ever was a Titan it would be Mario Williams. Supposedly DeMeco Ryans was born from his torn right bicep.

If Vince really wanted to come to the Texans he should have stayed another year and held out like Elway and Manning. Due diligence was not done on his part. The cards have been played and he comes back home as the enemy. Makes for great drama and that is what sports are about.

Texans_Chick
12-08-2006, 07:19 PM
Taken from another site.......................and the essence of what will make this rivalry a great one

"There are four official heroes of the State of Texas and two are Tennesseans. Sam Houston. Davy Crockett. Stephen F. Austin. And Earl Campbell. I think Vince should be the fifth. The only thing he didn't win was the Heisman, and if the vote had been taken after the Rose Bowl, he probably would have won that. When Vince steps on the field at Reliant Stadium, he will do so as a Texan and a Houstonian. He begged Bob Mcnair to select him, and when he got jilted he said he make them pay. It is now payback time. If there was ever a true Houston, Texan, it's Vince, and as far as I'm concerned, the imposters now masquerading under the logo of "Houston Texans" better LOOK OUT."

Barf.

"Like Earl, Vince is Texas-born and Texas-bred," Adams said Saturday night. "I think Vince can have an even bigger impact on the Titans than Earl had on the Oilers because he can throw and run."

This is the quote that Bud had after he drafted VY. Link. (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3829929.html)

They kept Bud's Texas-born and Texas-bred comment out of the Tennessean article that contained the rest of the quote.

Bud just sees Tennessee as his Texas annex to give the finger to his River Oaks buddies. That's why he overruled his coaches as to what the pick was.

And VY will stay until Bud decides to kick him to the curb in an ungracious manner.

whiskeyrbl
12-08-2006, 08:26 PM
Barf.



This is the quote that Bud had after he drafted VY. Link. (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3829929.html)

They kept Bud's Texas-born and Texas-bred comment out of the Tennessean article that contained the rest of the quote.

Bud just sees Tennessee as his Texas annex to give the finger to his River Oaks buddies. That's why he overruled his coaches as to what the pick was.

And VY will stay until Bud decides to kick him to the curb in an ungracious manner.

Like he has some others

Hookem Horns
12-08-2006, 08:41 PM
Taken from another site.......................and the essence of what will make this rivalry a great one

"There are four official heroes of the State of Texas and two are Tennesseans. Sam Houston. Davy Crockett. Stephen F. Austin. And Earl Campbell. I think Vince should be the fifth. The only thing he didn't win was the Heisman, and if the vote had been taken after the Rose Bowl, he probably would have won that. When Vince steps on the field at Reliant Stadium, he will do so as a Texan and a Houstonian. He begged Bob Mcnair to select him, and when he got jilted he said he'd make them pay. It is now payback time. If there was ever a true Houston, Texan, it's Vince, and as far as I'm concerned, the imposters now masquerading under the logo of "Houston Texans" better LOOK OUT."

Sounds like something off of Hornfans.com

opus74
12-08-2006, 09:00 PM
Wow, 260 posts.
FEEL the love!
:includeme:

Yvette
12-08-2006, 10:21 PM
Sounds like something off of Hornfans.com
It was from the TOMB, but I guess Jack just couldn't bring himself to admit he reads there :D

TEXANRED
12-08-2006, 10:56 PM
I am not saying anything is going to happen.

Just putting it out there.

I have Pink Eye in both eyes.

I will be at the game.

I hate the Titans.

Hate them.

Not saying anything is going to happen with my Pink Eye and Titan fans at the game.

You might want to consider staying home though.

Hate for anything to happen.

:backsout: