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Yankee_In_TX
12-06-2006, 09:06 AM
The whole RB/VY thing. It's so damned ridiculous. All you who think you know better, why aren't you working for the NFL? A lot of Houstonians need to grow up.

I just noticed the Chronicle has a "Top Pick Watch." Do you know what that says to me? Not "we're interested in tracking last years top draftees," it says "we're going to whine and ***** and moan and cry like little babies and try to prove that if WE ran the Texans, we'd be undefeated this year...oh booh hoo, my life is ruined because of the draft." I'll bet $100 if you look up the last 5 years, this is the only year they had a "draft pick watch" all year long.

And all the sports radio callers who keep calling in about "if we had VY/RB" don't bother. Because? We DON'T have them. Try moving nine months into the future with the rest of us.

For God's sake, either support your team, in its good and bad decisions, or sell your tickets and log out for good.

Don't get me wrong, I think you more than have a right to voice your opinion.

I also think if you're a Longhorn you have a right to like VY and even (quitely) cheer for him Sunday. I'll be cheering for Troy Smith where ever he goes next year.

But for all the whiney ass people who are still stuck back on the draft, I mean, do you cry for that long after you got dumped in high school?

MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE!!!!!!

We're all tired of losing, hindsight is 20/20, and crying doesn't give us a winning record it just annoys people like me.

/rant

(lol, after reading this, maybe it belongs in the No Spin Zone)

Marcus
12-06-2006, 09:19 AM
But for all the whiney ass people who are still stuck back on the draft, I mean, do you cry for that long after you got dumped in high school?

Oh, believe me, most of the ones who are still crying about the draft, have still not gotten over getting dumped in high school.:hides:

Texan_Bill
12-06-2006, 09:24 AM
LOL! Someone woke up on the wrong side of his law books!

Yankee, you know that I have said similar things over on the other boards, but it falls on deaf ears.

I appciate your effort though.

vinceyoungfan
12-06-2006, 09:31 AM
The whole RB/VY thing. It's so damned ridiculous. All you who think you know better, why aren't you working for the NFL? A lot of Houstonians need to grow up.

I just noticed the Chronicle has a "Top Pick Watch." Do you know what that says to me? Not "we're interested in tracking last years top draftees," it says "we're going to whine and ***** and moan and cry like little babies and try to prove that if WE ran the Texans, we'd be undefeated this year...oh booh hoo, my life is ruined because of the draft." I'll bet $100 if you look up the last 5 years, this is the only year they had a "draft pick watch" all year long.

And all the sports radio callers who keep calling in about "if we had VY/RB" don't bother. Because? We DON'T have them. Try moving nine months into the future with the rest of us.

For God's sake, either support your team, in its good and bad decisions, or sell your tickets and log out for good.

Don't get me wrong, I think you more than have a right to voice your opinion.

I also think if you're a Longhorn you have a right to like VY and even (quitely) cheer for him Sunday. I'll be cheering for Troy Smith where ever he goes next year.

But for all the whiney ass people who are still stuck back on the draft, I mean, do you cry for that long after you got dumped in high school?

MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE!!!!!!

We're all tired of losing, hindsight is 20/20, and crying doesn't give us a winning record it just annoys people like me.

/rant

(lol, after reading this, maybe it belongs in the No Spin Zone)

wow what he said

Paragon Blue
12-06-2006, 09:31 AM
The whole RB/VY thing. It's so damned ridiculous. All you who think you know better, why aren't you working for the NFL? A lot of Houstonians need to grow up.

I just noticed the Chronicle has a "Top Pick Watch." Do you know what that says to me? Not "we're interested in tracking last years top draftees," it says "we're going to whine and ***** and moan and cry like little babies and try to prove that if WE ran the Texans, we'd be undefeated this year...oh booh hoo, my life is ruined because of the draft." I'll bet $100 if you look up the last 5 years, this is the only year they had a "draft pick watch" all year long.

And all the sports radio callers who keep calling in about "if we had VY/RB" don't bother. Because? We DON'T have them. Try moving nine months into the future with the rest of us.

For God's sake, either support your team, in its good and bad decisions, or sell your tickets and log out for good.

Don't get me wrong, I think you more than have a right to voice your opinion.

I also think if you're a Longhorn you have a right to like VY and even (quitely) cheer for him Sunday. I'll be cheering for Troy Smith where ever he goes next year.

But for all the whiney ass people who are still stuck back on the draft, I mean, do you cry for that long after you got dumped in high school?

MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE!!!!!!

We're all tired of losing, hindsight is 20/20, and crying doesn't give us a winning record it just annoys people like me.

/rant

(lol, after reading this, maybe it belongs in the No Spin Zone)



Well said my friend!!!!:perfect10:

bah007
12-06-2006, 09:57 AM
Oh, believe me, most of the ones who are still crying about the draft, have still not gotten over getting dumped in high school.:hides:

You have to get a girlfriend first before they can dump you.

Yankee_In_TX
12-06-2006, 10:15 AM
You have to get a girlfriend first before they can dump you.

I'm including internet girlfriends that are modeling abroad. :spy:

HomeBred_Texan
12-06-2006, 10:22 AM
You are not the only one it ticks off...

Put me in that basket. I wanted Reggie at the draft, but glad we didn't get him now. Haven't seen anything out of him that makes me think he is better than Mario. I got over it the minute the announced Mario as the 1st pick...

Some others should follow...

Now I am in the draft Adrian Peterson wagon and if we don't get him, then oh well. Still will be in my seat every game next year no matter what...

Yankee_In_TX
12-06-2006, 10:38 AM
well. Still will be in my seat every game next year no matter what...


:texan:

(hey, where'd the 3 Texan Guys emoticon go?!?!?)

Porky
12-06-2006, 11:09 AM
Blindly supporting the team in it's good and bad desicions has gotten us to this point. Until the fans say no more, we will get what we get, which is pathetic football. You people are like the abused girlfriend that's afraid to leave her loser boyfriend. Why don't all you homers buy a clue. You berate everyone with a non-homer opinion, and then follow that by saying we are allowed an opinion. Which is it? Or do we all have to march in lockstep off the edge of the cliff like a bunch of little rats to the Texans pied piper? Go ahead, and put your little steel blue blinders on. As for me, I have an opinion, and I will state mine whether you homers like it or not.

edo783
12-06-2006, 11:13 AM
Put me in that basket also. I wanted to trade down and get DA Brick, but that didn't happen and we might be paying for it, but that is how it goes sometimes. Mario is a fine pick and a force on the defense. This is the team I support, not the player.

Texanfan4ever
12-06-2006, 11:14 AM
And do you think Kubiak and McNair are going to change their opinions and what they do, just because of what fans say? If passing on VY and RB wasn't enough for you to know that, then I can't help you.

Are you in the group that is going to the game to cheer for VY? That type of voicing an opinion only makes Houston fans look classless, and will get you nowhere.

But sure, you can have your opinion.

TexasJedi
12-06-2006, 11:14 AM
That whole Chronicle QB comparison thing kind of ticked me off too. It's not that the numbers they posted were inaccurate or anything, it's the not so subtle Carr stinks/VY is king under tone. Carr's days here may be numbered, but VY won't be replacing him anytime soon, so yes folks need to at the very least accept that VY is and will be a Titan and whining about it will not change it. I don't have a problem with someone saying they wanted Young, but it's the constant regurgitation of the debate that's gets old.
:deadhorse

Yankee_In_TX
12-06-2006, 11:16 AM
Blindly supporting the team in it's good and bad desicions has gotten us to this point. Until the fans say no more, we will get what we get, which is pathetic football. You people are like the abused girlfriend that's afraid to leave her loser boyfriend. Why don't all you homers buy a clue. You berate everyone with a non-homer opinion, and then follow that by saying we are allowed an opinion. Which is it? Or do we all have to march in lockstep off the edge of the cliff like a bunch of little rats to the Texans pied piper? Go ahead, and put your little steel blue blinders on. As for me, I have an opinion, and I will state mine whether you homers like it or not.

I'm not saying blindly follow the team. I said don't be afraid to voice your opinion. I'm saying people need to quit whining and get on with life. I'm tired of people crying over spilled milk.

And if the spilled milk is THAT big of a deal to the person that their life has come crashing down around them, maybe they should move to TN.

If your boss makes a bad business move, are you still complaining about it like it was yesterday nine months later? No, people move on.

Porky
12-06-2006, 11:18 AM
I'm not saying blindly follow the team. I said don't be afraid to voice your opinion. I'm saying people need to quit whining and get on with life. I'm tired of people crying over spilled milk.

And if the spilled milk is THAT big of a deal to the person that their life has come crashing down around them, maybe they should move to TN.

If your boss makes a bad business move, are you still complaining about it like it was yesterday nine months later? No, people move on.

Well, I for one don't need the scolding, or be told to quit whining. How bout this. I will quit whining when the Texans start winning. And as long as we have this POS at the QB spot, I'll be whining a long time. So, get used to it. I have as much right to say my piece as you do yours.

Yankee_In_TX
12-06-2006, 11:27 AM
Well, I for one don't need the scolding, or be told to quit whining. How bout this. I will quit whining when the Texans start winning. And as long as we have this POS at the QB spot, I'll be whining a long time. So, get used to it. I have as much right to say my piece as you do yours.

I don't mine whining about losing or about the current status of our team. Just those who still whine about the last draft :brickwall

TexasJedi
12-06-2006, 11:30 AM
Oh yes, and look at this unbiased opinion poll.


TEXANS POLL
Should coach Gary Kubiak make a move at quarterback and if so, what should be done?


Bench David Carr for at least two games
Bench Carr for good
Trade Carr as soon as possible
Give Carr at least another half to prove himself


Well, that's not a loaded question.

Double Barrel
12-06-2006, 11:31 AM
Blindly supporting the team in it's good and bad desicions has gotten us to this point. Until the fans say no more, we will get what we get, which is pathetic football.

How do you propose we "say no more"? :um:

Boycott the team? Don't buy tickets? Let them get a taste of Houston's infamous fairweather fans?

We have a first year HC, bro'. You ready to give up on him already?

We have a heckuva' lot of potential talent, much of it pro-bowl caliber...should we just act like quitters on them, too?

I don't advocate blindly supporting anything. I'll gripe as much as the next guy, and I can root for a team but still be mad at individual players.

But beyond that, what do you propose to send a message to the team? :tearup:

Yankee_In_TX
12-06-2006, 11:33 AM
Oh yes, and look at this unbiased opinion poll.


TEXANS POLL
Should coach Gary Kubiak make a move at quarterback and if so, what should be done?


Bench David Carr for at least two games
Bench Carr for good
Trade Carr as soon as possible
Give Carr at least another half to prove himself


Well, that's not a loaded question.

But that's going off topic :-) This is a stop whining about last year's draft thread ;-)

Porky
12-06-2006, 11:34 AM
I don't mine whining about losing or about the current status of our team. Just those who still whine about the last draft :brickwall

Well, I don't whine about that in general, but to the extent that has us left with the golden boy Carr, I do have my opinions about that, and will state them. I want to make sure the fans remind the team using whatever forum or outlet they have, what a loser Carr is, and what a mistake they made in the hopes it won't happen again. We had the solution in hand, and we let it go thru our fingers like sand. So, ya I am bitter as a fan. Call me a whiner if you want, but when fans like me stop caring, that's when the Texans should really worry. And, I am dangerousely close to not giving a rats behind. The only thing that will restore my allegiance is to change the QB to someone not incompetant. That's the bottom line right now for me.

jerek
12-06-2006, 11:38 AM
Blindly supporting the team in it's good and bad desicions has gotten us to this point. Until the fans say no more, we will get what we get, which is pathetic football. You people are like the abused girlfriend that's afraid to leave her loser boyfriend. Why don't all you homers buy a clue. You berate everyone with a non-homer opinion, and then follow that by saying we are allowed an opinion. Which is it? Or do we all have to march in lockstep off the edge of the cliff like a bunch of little rats to the Texans pied piper? Go ahead, and put your little steel blue blinders on. As for me, I have an opinion, and I will state mine whether you homers like it or not.

There's a difference between voicing an opinion and beating a dead horse. That's what the VY/RB nonsense is -- beating a dead horse. Every new whining Carr tirade I read on this board week after week isn't new at all -- it's the same totally recycled, substantially baseless and malinformed crap. If you don't want to march off the cliff, get out of line and go somewhere else.

Porky
12-06-2006, 11:39 AM
How do you propose we "say no more"? :um:

Boycott the team? Don't buy tickets? Let them get a taste of Houston's infamous fairweather fans?

We have a first hear HC, bro'. You ready to give up on him already?

We have a heckuva' lot of potential talent, much of it pro-bowl caliber...should we just act like quitters on them, too?

I don't advocate blindly supporting anything. I'll gripe as much as the next guy, and I can root for a team but still be mad at individual players.

But beyond that, what do you propose to send a message to the team? :tearup:


Sure, boycott, boo if you do go, don't buy tickets, wear a sack, post in forums like these, call them and give them a piece of your mind - Whatever it takes to wake Mr. Mcnair up, because right now the guy makes Bill Bidwell seem competant. Mcnair has repeatedly made mistakes. At what point are we to expect he will actually get a clue and learn from any of them? He does the same stupid things over and over. I'm done with the blind homerism, and taking their spin like it's some kind of ice cream.

Porky
12-06-2006, 11:47 AM
There's a difference between voicing an opinion and beating a dead horse. That's what the VY/RB nonsense is -- beating a dead horse. Every new whining Carr tirade I read on this board week after week isn't new at all -- it's the same totally recycled, substantially baseless and malinformed crap. If you don't want to march off the cliff, get out of line and go somewhere else.

What baseless and malinformed crap are you talking about? The fans and the local media were 100% right, and the Texans were 100% wrong. And don't worry about me going somewhere else. If they continue down the path to oblivion with Carr, I'll be the first to leave voluntarily. They either change him out over the offseason, or I will take my allegiance somewhere where the staff and management have a clue. And, thousands of others will be joining me if they haven't already, and then all you blind homers can be happy with your loser QB and losing record every year.

Double Barrel
12-06-2006, 11:49 AM
Sure, boycott, boo if you do go, don't buy tickets, wear a sack, post in forums like these, call them and give them a piece of your mind - Whatever it takes to wake Mr. Mcnair up, because right now the guy makes Bill Bidwell seem competant. Mcnair has repeatedly made mistakes. At what point are we to expect he will actually get a clue and learn from any of them? He does the same stupid things over and over. I'm done with the blind homerism, and taking their spin like it's some kind of ice cream.

Porky, I certainly understand your frustration. But I draw the line at behavior that defines the difference between fanatic and fair-weather fan. That's just me, though.

For instance, I'll go to the games, but I won't buy any merchandise or stuff like that. Most of a team's revenue comes from merch, concessions, and tv/ad revenue. So going to the game still shows a general support of the team (and more importantly the players), but diminished merch sales sends a message, too.

Plus, our tickets are right above the owner's box. We begged Mr. McNair to let Capers go last year (polite yelling?), and there might be a general mood among fans to beg him to let Carr go throughout the next three home games.

I think it's in everyone's - team, Carr, fans - best interest to part ways with our 'franchise QB' at this point. Regardless of reasons, excuses, planets not lining up, whatever, it's clear that Carr has lost the confidence of his team and coach, and has lost the support of fans. If he blows it this week, it could seal the deal, because Reliant could be ugly with it.

Vinny
12-06-2006, 11:51 AM
I think the Texans want to hear the fans...good or bad. That's one reason we have a message board on the official site. Personally, I'm tired of the over the top stuff, but when you roll out a bad product in the NFL the fans won't be happy. This may sound hard to believe but we move out a ton of useless threads that get posted and silence a good deal of the pure haters...what you guys see are the best of the rest.

JDizzle
12-06-2006, 11:54 AM
It's hard to say the move looks bad in hindsight when so many people said it was a bad move to begin with, before it happened. It started with giving Carr a truckload of money, which set the table for passing on Vince and Leinart. Now that Carr is regressing late in the year it's blown up again, back to the way it was before the draft. This is the "I told you so" version of the uproar we saw then. It will never stop until we have a real franchise QB under center, whether it be Carr or someone else. Get use to it.

And Chron's draft watch has been there since the beginning of the year, it's nothing new.

Texan_Bill
12-06-2006, 11:54 AM
I think the Texans want to hear the fans...good or bad. That's one reason we have a message board on the official site. Personally, I'm tired of the over the top stuff, but when you roll out a bad product in the NFL the fans won't be happy. This may sound hard to believe but we move out a ton of useless threads that get posted and silence a good deal of the pure haters...what you guys see are the best of the rest.

That unto itslelf is pretty scary...

Vinny
12-06-2006, 11:55 AM
lol....indeed it is.

DenverBorn
12-06-2006, 12:22 PM
I agree with Porky. Every post he's made. All of you that are happy with mediocrity with the Texans are probably happy with mediocrity in the rest of your lives. But I think I've already said that elsewhere on these boards. Porky, keep it up!

For the record, I sold my PSLs in April. Got tired of paying face value for four Club Level I seats (including preseason scrimmages), to watch this POS team, particularly since I couldn't find anyone that was interested in going to the games. All of you that continue to show up aren't doing us any favors. I did go to the Buffalo game, at a friend's invitation - boy that was fun. Not.

As far as beating a dead horse is concerned, you started it with this thread. I don't see that the original post to this thread added any new information to the conversation on these message boards. So take your pick - you can complain about the team, or you can complain about the complainers. Me- I'd rather complain about the team. I'd like for the team to get better.

whiskeyrbl
12-06-2006, 12:26 PM
Thats just it whether or not we are contenders is not the question. Are we better than last year? Yes. Why? Better Players. Are we there ? No. Thing is leave the past in the past and work with what you have for the future.

Ole Miss Texan
12-06-2006, 12:27 PM
I hear both sides of the story...

At one end you have the reggie bush fans/media quieting down because people are really starting to realize that he would not have made our team any better than mario would have.

you also have to VY fans who still have an argument because david carr is not doing well at all.

The FO decided to go a different route and try and rebuild our defense into a championship defense. Carr will be here what this year and 2 more years? That should be about the time to have to completely rebuild the defense starting last draft...and work on the offense before a new QB steps in and hopefully does really well.

I wanted RB before the draft, I'm happy we didn't get him now, I didn't want VY before the draft, but wouldn't have been upset if we did. I support the mario pick though.

There is only so much that we as fans can do. Most of is whine, gripe, and cry about what has happened in the past. I want a FO like i feal like we have now that will stick to their guns and do what the feel is in the best interest of the team/franchise. Passing on RB and VY made a statement.

What would you suggest we do. Come April have a poll on the texans website where we get to vote on who we should draft? and they pick the highest one?

Sure its good for the FO to have a "relationship" with the fan base but the minute they started making decisions like kubiak saying.."well we don't want to upset porky so lets do x." the minute our team goes to hell. some may argue that we're already there..and if that's the case good luck in what you decide to do.

Realize that we really can't do anything to change anything, it's a game, your a fan, every fan can have their opinion and emotion, but not every fan can be the GM.

I like that about the milk. when the milk spills quit whining about it and either clean it up, or maybe its just time for you not to drink any more milk.

Texan_Bill
12-06-2006, 12:30 PM
I agree with Porky. Every post he's made. All of you that are happy with mediocrity with the Texans are probably happy with mediocrity in the rest of your lives. But I think I've already said that elsewhere on these boards. Porky, keep it up!

For the record, I sold my PSLs in April. Got tired of paying face value for four Club Level I seats (including preseason scrimmages), to watch this POS team, particularly since I couldn't find anyone that was interested in going to the games. All of you that continue to show up aren't doing us any favors. I did go to the Buffalo game, at a friend's invitation - boy that was fun. Not.

As far as beating a dead horse is concerned, you started it with this thread. I don't see that the original post to this thread added any new information to the conversation on these message boards. So take your pick - you can complain about the team, or you can complain about the complainers. Me- I'd rather complain about the team. I'd like for the team to get better.

If the team got better would you try to get your PSL's back?

DenverBorn
12-06-2006, 12:49 PM
If the team got better would you try to get your PSL's back?

At this point, no. Frankly I believe that I can probably buy game-by-game tickets at or below face value, without having to buy the preseason games. Club Level I tickets are >$2,500/year EACH. So do the math on what I was spending annually for four seats. Maybe it's why I am so bitter - PSL cost ($8,400) + four seasons of four seats = a lot of money for watching this team. But ownership knows that most of the Club Level I PSL buyers are corporate buyers who are indifferent to the cost, so management doesn't really care.

This post is likely to get deleted as management doesn't like this info on the boards. I sold my PSLs on Ebay for next to nothing. No one wants to buy an option to overpay for seats. I held a 10-day auction with the draft in the middle, hoping some excitement would stimulate interest. Nope. I was actually thinking about not paying for the 2006 seats and letting the tickets go until I got a letter from the Texans' General Counsel saying they "reserved the right" to make me pay for six more seasons worth of seats. So I sold all four PSLs for <$500 total to get rid of the potential liability.

Once the original PSL contracts start to roll off, I think the team is going to have problems selling tickets. For now the tickets are sold out as the PSL buyers had to commit to so many seasons worth of tickets. The contracts were for either 5, 7 or 10 years. I'm guessing that with the team that's on the field, many of the PSL owners will ultimately stop paying for seats. And I think it's absolutely hilarious and disingenuous when the team announces sold out attendance of 70,000 + when you can look around and see 20,000 empty seats

Texan_Bill
12-06-2006, 01:06 PM
At this point, no. Frankly I believe that I can probably buy game-by-game tickets at or below face value, without having to buy the preseason games. Club Level I tickets are >$2,500/year EACH. So do the math on what I was spending annually for four seats. Maybe it's why I am so bitter - PSL cost ($8,400) + four seasons of four seats = a lot of money for watching this team. But ownership knows that most of the Club Level I PSL buyers are corporate buyers who are indifferent to the cost, so management doesn't really care.

This post is likely to get deleted as management doesn't like this info on the boards. I sold my PSLs on Ebay for next to nothing. No one wants to buy an option to overpay for seats. I held a 10-day auction with the draft in the middle, hoping some excitement would stimulate interest. Nope. I was actually thinking about not paying for the 2006 seats and letting the tickets go until I got a letter from the Texans' General Counsel saying they "reserved the right" to make me pay for six more seasons worth of seats. So I sold all four PSLs for <$500 total to get rid of the potential liability.

Once the original PSL contracts start to roll off, I think the team is going to have problems selling tickets. For now the tickets are sold out as the PSL buyers had to commit to so many seasons worth of tickets. The contracts were for either 5, 7 or 10 years. I'm guessing that with the team that's on the field, many of the PSL owenrs will ultimately stop paying for seats. And I think it's absolutely hilarious and disingenuous when the team announces sold out attendance of 70,000 + when you can look around and see 20,000 empty seats

Well I think part of your issues stem from being up with the wine and cheese crowd. Experience the game amongst us heathens and you will have a good time regardless.

The team announces 70,000 seats sold, because thats what is sold -or "paid attendance". In this, the 5th season, I can say, proudly that I have never missed a home game, pre-season or otherwise. In fact, I have made a few road trips over the last couple of years.

That's a shame that financial considerations tie into your passion about football. That's not to say that I am happy with the state of affairs with this team, I am as livid as anyone else here. By the same token, I get levity from remembering how miserable I was without football for 7 years..

Bob McNair may not have it figured out yet as an Owner, but he will. Gary Kubiak will be a good head coach soon (he needs to learn from his rookie head coach mistakes too). We stole DeMeco Ryans in the draft. QB position will be addressed (one way or another - lets not use this post as a chance to pile on), so things may turn around sooner than you think... If people thought we would be close to a play-off contender this season, don't ever take their advice in Vegas...

Vinny
12-06-2006, 01:18 PM
This post is likely to get deleted as management doesn't like this info on the boards.baloney

Runner
12-06-2006, 01:22 PM
baloney

Whew! I thought I missed a memo or something.

Vinny
12-06-2006, 01:25 PM
I mean, in all these years they have never contacted me and told me to remove this that or the other. Heck, Nick can't even physically delete posts and he doesn't do any moderating at all. The Texans stay out of it unless it involves legal issues or something...and that hasn't happened to date.

thunderkyss
12-06-2006, 01:31 PM
If your boss makes a bad business move, are you still complaining about it like it was yesterday nine months later? No, people move on.

If my boss kept telling me about this dumb decision again, and again, then I'd keep telling him it was a dumb decision.

I.E. "David leads the league in QB Rating" "David completed 22 of 22 consecutive passes" "David leads the league in completion percentage".....

Don't think this "David sucks" is a one way street.

nobody is talking about Jameel cook, AJ, or Dunta every freaking day, because we all agree..... yeah, he had a bad day. Yeah, he had a good day. Yeah, I wish he didn't drop that ball.

But if you get on this board, and say, "Kubiak really gave David an ass chewing after that play" we'd get "you weren't there, you don't know what he said........ for all we know, he said "David, you've got to chew those OLmen out when they screw that up like that""

When we tell him the guy can't see 15 yards down the field, they tell us this is the west coast offense....... but no other WCO has a problem throwing the ball downfield....

You tell them.... he underthrew AJ on that ball.... we're told an elite reciever would have came down with that one.

You tell them..... he ran into that sack.... we're told the rookie OLman should have done something, I don't know what, but something.

We tell them..... David played like crap against the Raiders..... they say Peyton wouldn't have played any better behind that line....

:brickwall

infantrycak
12-06-2006, 01:32 PM
I mean, in all these years they have never contacted me and told me to remove this that or the other. Heck, Nick can't even physically delete posts and he doesn't do any moderating at all. The Texans stay out of it unless it involves legal issues or something...and that hasn't happened to date.

You're just trying to keep the conspiracy under wraps.

Everyone please form a line to the left of the MB to pick up your tin foil fedoras.

srstex
12-06-2006, 01:33 PM
Actually I think this info needs to be shared with McNair, because although the club seats are mostly corporate, the TV rights will go down if they don't have the local crowd watching. This will hit McNair in the wallet, and you know he will care then. In year one I said " As long as we are competitive I would be happy" that was five years ago, and now I will tell you 5 & 8 would go a long way in keeping fans in the seats.

Kaiser Toro
12-06-2006, 01:39 PM
Everyone please form a line to the left of the MB to pick up your tin foil fedoras.

Cool, perfect X-mas present for my Father-in-law.

Hookem Horns
12-06-2006, 02:02 PM
The whole RB/VY thing. It's so damned ridiculous. All you who think you know better, why aren't you working for the NFL?

Well I am sure no one here should be working for the NFL however what's ridiculous to me is the fact that most of the fans DID know better than those working for the Texans. Believe me, I can guarantee you that most of us here knew more about Carr than Kubiak did. He only saw the "tools" probably from films but he wasn't watching this guy week in and week out and seeing the lack of intagibles. We also knew what kind of ego inflated a** Charlie Casserely was and would never admit his guy was a bust.

I remember Casserely making some comment about how "we don't let the fans determine the draft". Well, the fans did know better when it came to VY over Carr. I also remember some other players the fans wanted and whom the Texans went with. Honestly, the Texans fans were doing a better job than Casserley. I wanted them to draft Julius Peppers over Carr. Many fans wanted Derrick Johnson over Travis Johnson. I am sure there are more examples. A lot of us are just fed up and it's real pathetic when the fans know more than those paid to be experts.

Believe me if the fans were polled on who to draft for each selection I am convinced the results wouldn't have been as bad as Casserely who thinks he is smarter than everyone else.

Texan_Bill
12-06-2006, 02:15 PM
Hook 'em, you and I actually agree? With Julius Peppers that is.. Anyway, I have to beleive that since the day the Broncos were out of the play-offs, right up until the draft - Kubiak watched more film of Carr than we could possibly realize. In fact, I bet he watched enough film for most of us to want to go Kurt Cobain. I am sure he thought to himself that he could turn Carr around if he was tough on him and didn't coddle him (which we knew Capers did). Kubiak probably wasn't thrilled to learn that Broncos were getting Plummer to compete with Griese, but he saw that tools that Plummer had and Kubiak had a positive affect on him.

I think the point Yankee was really after was, "get over it"... It's a new regime. Gone are the days of C & C... I am not bashing Vince, but how do we know how his career will shake out next season, or the season after that. We don't know.. Injuries happen. Career ending injuries (no, I am not wishing that on anyone). Half a season is not a big body of work.

Carr needs to go. I will admit that, but not for the reasons most beleive, but he needs to go.

Better days are ahead!

real
12-06-2006, 02:21 PM
Kubiak watched more film of Carr than we could possibly realize.


Being on the outside looking in changes the appearance of what actually is...


For instance....There are many GM's around the NFL that believe Carr is good....I hope Kubiak remembers how he was fooled, and uses some other poor Teams unawarness to our advantage...

ATX_Texan
12-06-2006, 02:22 PM
Well I am sure no one here should be working for the NFL however what's ridiculous to me is the fact that most of the fans DID know better than those working for the Texans. Believe me, I can guarantee you that most of us here knew more about Carr than Kubiak did. He only saw the "tools" probably from films but he wasn't watching this guy week in and week out and seeing the lack of intagibles. We also knew what kind of ego inflated a** Charlie Casserely was and would never admit his guy was a bust.

I remember Casserely making some comment about how "we don't let the fans determine the draft". Well, the fans did know better when it came to VY over Carr. I also remember some other players the fans wanted and whom the Texans went with. Honestly, the Texans fans were doing a better job than Casserley. I wanted them to draft Julius Peppers over Carr. Many fans wanted Derrick Johnson over Travis Johnson. I am sure there are more examples. A lot of us are just fed up and it's real pathetic when the fans know more than those paid to be experts.

Believe me if the fans were polled on who to draft for each selection I am convinced the results wouldn't have been as bad as Casserely who thinks he is smarter than everyone else.

We have a winner! Casserly was the biggest mistake this team ever made. He is pathetic and his whole "I am superior to all" routine is pitiful considering his horrible draft record.

Oh yeah, I keep forgetting that all the busts were all the coaches' fault. :sarcasm:

I cannot stand to see that pompous azz on CBS every week trying to tell everyone his supposed "inside" info. He is definitely the biggest "tool" on TV right now.

I am sure the Texans would have been better off if they set up a website, let the fans vote before each draft pick, and used that choice instead of listening to Casserly.

thunderkyss
12-06-2006, 02:31 PM
What would you suggest we do. Come April have a poll on the texans website where we get to vote on who we should draft? and they pick the highest one?


I'm happy right now, because I feel they see a problem, and Kubiak, at least, isn't too worried about it be known that that is a problem.

In past regimes, and many fan posts on this board(especially the lot from Cali) you'd think there was no problem.... that we're set at the QB position.

Ole Miss Texan
12-06-2006, 02:45 PM
In all honesty I don't know much about the different offenses and defenses in the nfl. I know in college VY was in shotgun a lot. How would VY have done in the offense Kubes/sherman brought in? How is it different than the one in Tennessee. Would that have been a good fit? i don't know enough to give an opinion.

I don't think the solution is to get rid of carr by sunday, then end of the season. or not have him next season. I think he will be here while the FO redevelops our team and then he'll be gone while another qb is learning maybe, or we bring one in in 2 seasons or so. we have so many needs that it will be awhile. before the season i didnt see us winning more than 6 games. next season i hope we are a little better but i'm not expecting playoffs. I am giving us a lot more time than most folks on this board that want us to win the division next season. thats why i'm ok with carr for now but probably not for the future in 2 seasons.

thunderkyss
12-06-2006, 02:52 PM
The problem I see with drafting a young QB to "groom" is that the fans in Houston won't be patient enough to let that happen........ not with Carr as the starter anyway.

I say we go on with the guys we have...... Let Sage or VanPelt take the reigns next year if they prove to be serviceable, then we can start looking for a first round QB to hold a clipboard for a year or two.

Runner
12-06-2006, 02:58 PM
We have a winner! Casserly was the biggest mistake this team ever made. He is pathetic and his whole "I am superior to all" routine is pitiful considering his horrible draft record.

Oh yeah, I keep forgetting that all the busts were all the coaches' fault. :sarcasm:


There is plenty of blame to go around, but Pendry was the biggest mistake the team ever made.

IMO the lack of player development by the coaches created more so called "busts" than the deficiencies in talent identification.


I am sure the Texans would have been better off if they set up a website, let the fans vote before each draft pick, and used that choice instead of listening to Casserly.

No way - the fans would of traded the Ryans pick and one of our #3's to move up to draft Winston in the late first round. At best they would have voted to pick him with the Ryans pick. :)

bah007
12-06-2006, 03:03 PM
The problem I see with drafting a young QB to "groom" is that the fans in Houston won't be patient enough to let that happen........ not with Carr as the starter anyway.

I say we go on with the guys we have...... Let Sage or VanPelt take the reigns next year if they prove to be serviceable, then we can start looking for a first round QB to hold a clipboard for a year or two.

I still dont see any reason to take it away from Carr & give it to one of these guys.

I'm all for replacing Carr if we can upgrade the position but I dont see Sage as an upgrade.

And I certainly dont see Van Pelt or Porter as upgrades either.

Unless we get Kolb in the draft or sign a starting-caliber QB in FA then I want Carr to be the starter.

Yankee_In_TX
12-06-2006, 03:30 PM
If my boss kept telling me about this dumb decision again, and again, then I'd keep telling him it was a dumb decision.
:brickwall

LOL...! True, true...

HomeBred_Texan
12-06-2006, 03:40 PM
No way - the fans would of traded the Ryans pick and one of our #3's to move up to draft Winston in the late first round. At best they would have voted to pick him with the Ryans pick. :)

Really, I agree 100%. No one would have drafted Ryans with the 2nd pick.

thunderkyss
12-06-2006, 05:19 PM
I still dont see any reason to take it away from Carr & give it to one of these guys.

I'm all for replacing Carr if we can upgrade the position but I dont see Sage as an upgrade.

And I certainly dont see Van Pelt or Porter as upgrades either.

Unless we get Kolb in the draft or sign a starting-caliber QB in FA then I want Carr to be the starter.

I'm not saying take anything away from Carr... The position will be open for competition, and we'll play the best QB..... I don't care if it's Carr, Sage, Bradlee, or Q........

I agreed with the decision to start David,(after passing on Vince) and treat him as if he was the future of the franchise(meaning he cannot play bad enough to lose the job)..... if we go into next season, and Kubiak wants to continue with Carr in that same manner, then..... that's fine with me as well.

But when I tell you he sucks, don't argue the fact.....

He's got things that he needs to work on... I don't see how anyone can deny that. He's not helping the OL, and he's not helping the run game.... both are easy to see... plain as day.

ONce our OL can produce a running game regardless who the back is(or DD comes back able to play) or regardless of our passing attack, then maybe our passing game can open up those big plays downfield, & David won't have to challenge a cover two, or a double team, and Andre would be able to run free in the secondary.

But right now, we need David to be more accurate than he has been this year, more often than not. Right now, he has to be able to get the ball over the LBs, and in front of the DBs..... right now, we need him put the ball where the Corner can't do a dang thing about it. right now, we need him to protect the football.

Double Barrel
12-06-2006, 06:19 PM
I was actually thinking about not paying for the 2006 seats and letting the tickets go until I got a letter from the Texans' General Counsel saying they "reserved the right" to make me pay for six more seasons worth of seats.

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The contracts were for either 5, 7 or 10 years.

Wow, I never knew this about PSLs. I might not have as good of seats, but I'm glad my season tickets don't come with those stipulations. I can understand your frustration, though. That's a lot of money.

aj.
12-06-2006, 06:23 PM
My PSLs (Type B - lower level sideline) have no such stipulation. I'm pretty sure the length of contract minimums were only for the Club I and II.

Yankee_In_TX
12-06-2006, 06:32 PM
Wow, I never knew this about PSLs. I might not have as good of seats, but I'm glad my season tickets don't come with those stipulations. I can understand your frustration, though. That's a lot of money.

That's only for club level/suites. You have to buy them for "X" many years.

Double Barrel
12-06-2006, 07:14 PM
My PSLs (Type B - lower level sideline) have no such stipulation. I'm pretty sure the length of contract minimums were only for the Club I and II.

That's only for club level/suites. You have to buy them for "X" many years.

ahhhh, gotcha'. :ok: thanks for the info!

Makes sense to me now. That kind of fund dedication seems suited for either 1) hardcore fanatics (longhaul fans), or 2) corporate types (tax writeoff), or 3) someone looking to make a buck as an investment.

aj.
12-06-2006, 07:30 PM
ahhhh, gotcha'. :ok: thanks for the info!

Makes sense to me now. That kind of fund dedication seems suited for either 1) hardcore fanatics (longhaul fans), or 2) corporate types (tax writeoff), or 3) someone looking to make a buck as an investment.

Definitely not 1 based on a lot of things I've read here. Mostly 2 for sure.

The per capita of hard core fanatics in the Club is probably the lowest in the stadium.

Texans_Chick
12-06-2006, 08:07 PM
The whole RB/VY thing. It's so damned ridiculous. All you who think you know better, why aren't you working for the NFL? A lot of Houstonians need to grow up.

I just noticed the Chronicle has a "Top Pick Watch." Do you know what that says to me? Not "we're interested in tracking last years top draftees," it says "we're going to whine and ***** and moan and cry like little babies and try to prove that if WE ran the Texans, we'd be undefeated this year...oh booh hoo, my life is ruined because of the draft." I'll bet $100 if you look up the last 5 years, this is the only year they had a "draft pick watch" all year long.

And all the sports radio callers who keep calling in about "if we had VY/RB" don't bother. Because? We DON'T have them. Try moving nine months into the future with the rest of us.

For God's sake, either support your team, in its good and bad decisions, or sell your tickets and log out for good.

Don't get me wrong, I think you more than have a right to voice your opinion.

I also think if you're a Longhorn you have a right to like VY and even (quitely) cheer for him Sunday. I'll be cheering for Troy Smith where ever he goes next year.

But for all the whiney ass people who are still stuck back on the draft, I mean, do you cry for that long after you got dumped in high school?

MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE!!!!!!

We're all tired of losing, hindsight is 20/20, and crying doesn't give us a winning record it just annoys people like me.

/rant

(lol, after reading this, maybe it belongs in the No Spin Zone)

Preach on brother.

As long as we are ranting, here's my fuel to the fire:

"The Vince Bowl: Are you rooting for the devil's minion?" (http://blogs.chron.com/fanblogtexans/2006/12/the_vince_bowl_are_you_rooting.html)

Please note that the caption for the picture was not mine. Thems shirts are retired.

Second Honeymoon
12-06-2006, 08:21 PM
Blindly supporting the team in it's good and bad desicions has gotten us to this point. Until the fans say no more, we will get what we get, which is pathetic football. You people are like the abused girlfriend that's afraid to leave her loser boyfriend. Why don't all you homers buy a clue. You berate everyone with a non-homer opinion, and then follow that by saying we are allowed an opinion. Which is it? Or do we all have to march in lockstep off the edge of the cliff like a bunch of little rats to the Texans pied piper? Go ahead, and put your little steel blue blinders on. As for me, I have an opinion, and I will state mine whether you homers like it or not.

Quoted For Truth QFT

And dont worry...all the homers will be like 'yeah i always knew that Carr sucked' once he is kicked to the curb and we actually start winning and competing

Speedy
12-06-2006, 08:34 PM
Well, I for one don't need the scolding, or be told to quit whining. How bout this. I will quit whining when the Texans start winning. And as long as we have this POS at the QB spot, I'll be whining a long time. So, get used to it. I have as much right to say my piece as you do yours.I don't think he's talking about complaining about the way the team is playing. He's talking every yahoo who keeps bringing up VY/RB like it matters, when it doesn't. Those guys do not play on this team. End of story.

Speedy
12-06-2006, 08:37 PM
And there's a simple solution to the Comical.....quit reading it. I haven't read that rag in about 5 years. It's just a waste of trees, IMO.

Second Honeymoon
12-06-2006, 08:38 PM
Preach on brother.

As long as we are ranting, here's my fuel to the fire:

"The Vince Bowl: Are you rooting for the devil's minion?" (http://blogs.chron.com/fanblogtexans/2006/12/the_vince_bowl_are_you_rooting.html)

Please note that the caption for the picture was not mine. Thems shirts are retired.

So Bud is the Devil? Old Man Scratch himself eh? So what role does Bob Lanier have? Beelzebub? Azazel? Satan himself?

Bud is far from the devil in this mythological scenario. Bud would be better characterized as Midas or a leprechaun protecting his pot of gold from those that coveted it. Bud made a business decision after our City Council passed on getting Bud a new stadium. And I might add that a new stadium was needed as the Astrodome was (and still is) a outdated and antiquated NFL facility. Well we showed Bud didnt we? We pay double the money and get an inferior product. This all the while he laughed his way to bank, Super Bowl, and VY draft party.....clever alliteration with Bud but innacurate. I like your blog but take a cue from your coworker General JMac and present the facts when speaking about Bud's departure to Tennessee....

For crying out loud, Frank Reich and the Buffalo Bills hold as much blame for the Oilers leaving as Bud does. If we dont lose that 35-3 lead the Oilers are still in town and Bud has a new stadium....and we save ourselves about untold hundreds of millions of dollars in civic money and stealth taxes. I like having a fresh start too, but the first time the Texans make the playoffs and have a big lead they are still gonna show the 35-3 debacle and bring it up....oilers or not...

aj.
12-06-2006, 08:43 PM
Many of the same people who told Bud to not let the door hit him in the ass in '95 will be the one's cheering for his team on Sunday. Love 'em when they win - screw 'em when they lose. Typical Houston/Austin fairweather bandwagon puke mentality -- and far more nauseating than our team's play this season.

White Runningback
12-06-2006, 08:50 PM
The whole RB/VY thing. It's so damned ridiculous. All you who think you know better, why aren't you working for the NFL? A lot of Houstonians need to grow up.

I just noticed the Chronicle has a "Top Pick Watch." Do you know what that says to me? Not "we're interested in tracking last years top draftees," it says "we're going to whine and ***** and moan and cry like little babies and try to prove that if WE ran the Texans, we'd be undefeated this year...oh booh hoo, my life is ruined because of the draft." I'll bet $100 if you look up the last 5 years, this is the only year they had a "draft pick watch" all year long.

And all the sports radio callers who keep calling in about "if we had VY/RB" don't bother. Because? We DON'T have them. Try moving nine months into the future with the rest of us.

For God's sake, either support your team, in its good and bad decisions, or sell your tickets and log out for good.

Don't get me wrong, I think you more than have a right to voice your opinion.

I also think if you're a Longhorn you have a right to like VY and even (quitely) cheer for him Sunday. I'll be cheering for Troy Smith where ever he goes next year.

But for all the whiney ass people who are still stuck back on the draft, I mean, do you cry for that long after you got dumped in high school?

MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE!!!!!!

We're all tired of losing, hindsight is 20/20, and crying doesn't give us a winning record it just annoys people like me.

/rant

(lol, after reading this, maybe it belongs in the No Spin Zone)


Sounds like a man resigned to mediocrity. What happened to organizational accountability? Seems to me that the Texans gave their fans the middle finger when they passed on both of them to draft Mario Williams.

Mario Williams wasn't even the best player on his own college team. He was a combine superstar who no one ever heard of until after it concluded.

You said it, we're all tired of losing, but we don't have to continue to be force-fed an inferior product. Difference of opinion, I guess, but this board should be tolerant of it as it stimulates discussion.

Texans_Chick
12-06-2006, 08:50 PM
So Bud is the Devil? Old Man Scratch himself eh? So what role does Bob Lanier have? Beelzebub? Azazel? Satan himself?

Bud is far from the devil in this mythological scenario. Bud would be better characterized as Midas or a leprechaun protecting his pot of gold from those that coveted it. Bud made a business decision after our City Council passed on getting Bud a new stadium. And I might add that a new stadium was needed as the Astrodome was (and still is) a outdated and antiquated NFL facility. Well we showed Bud didnt we? We pay double the money and get an inferior product. This all the while he laughed his way to bank, Super Bowl, and VY draft party.....clever alliteration with Bud but innacurate. I like your blog but take a cue from your coworker General JMac and present the facts when speaking about Bud's departure to Tennessee....

For crying out loud, Frank Reich and the Buffalo Bills hold as much blame for the Oilers leaving as Bud does. If we dont lose that 35-3 lead the Oilers are still in town and Bud has a new stadium....and we save ourselves about untold hundreds of millions of dollars in civic money and stealth taxes. I like having a fresh start but the first time the Texans make the playoffs and have a big lead they are still gonna show the 35-3 debacle and bring it up....oilers or not

Timing and presentation just about everything. There are ways to get things done, and he has a way of sticking his foot in it. There was no way he was going to get a stadium from Houston the way he did it.

Did you know that Bud hired his first PR firm after he moved to TN because the locals started getting angry at him for some of the boneheaded stuff he was doing? That might have come in handy if you were trying to persuade the government to get you a new stadium.

I didn't like Bud when he was the owner here. I thought he was cheap, vulgar and an embarrassment to the city, and he proved the extent of his evil by moving the team and retiring the name and keeping the records.

Texans_Chick
12-06-2006, 08:58 PM
Sounds like a man resigned to mediocrity. What happened to organizational accountability? Seems to me that the Texans gave their fans the middle finger when they passed on both of them to draft Mario Williams.

Mario Williams wasn't even the best player on his own college team. He was a combine superstar who no one ever heard of until after it concluded.

You said it, we're all tired of losing, but we don't have to continue to be force-fed an inferior product. Difference of opinion, I guess, but this board should be tolerant of it as it stimulates discussion.

That is revisionist history.

BTW, Williams was voted MVP of his entire team his junior year. He didn't get any national awards his junior year because most of the fat stuff statistically didn't happen until the second half of the season.

His combine numbers were beyond awesome, but so was his college stats. Similar to Julius Peppers' who was taken second in the 2002 draft. (Not saying they have similar games, but just as a point of comparison).

All the teams at the top of the draft were interested in drafting Williams, as the DE position is a valued one from a salary cap perspective. It is hard to get a good DE through free agency--it is one of those positions you need to grow.

The original post is about those who can't let go the draft of last spring. (A draft that most people think the Texans did pretty good with, BTW).

Organizational accountability??? Do you think cheering Vince Young does anything to help with that?

edo783
12-06-2006, 08:59 PM
Many of the same people who told Bud to not let the door hit him in the ass in '95 will be the one's cheering for his team on Sunday. Love 'em when they win - screw 'em when they lose. Typical Houston/Austin fairweather bandwagon puke mentality -- and far more nauseating than our team's play this season.

Man, ain't that the truth.

White Runningback
12-06-2006, 09:06 PM
That is revisionist history.

BTW, Williams was voted MVP of his entire team his junior year. He didn't get any national awards his junior year because most of the fat stuff statistically didn't happen until the second half of the season.

His combine numbers were beyond awesome, but so was his college stats. Similar to Julius Peppers' who was taken second in the 2002 draft. (Not saying they have similar games, but just as a point of comparison).

All the teams at the top of the draft were interested in drafting Williams, as the DE position is a valued one from a salary cap perspective. It is hard to get a good DE through free agency--it is one of those positions you need to grow.

The original post is about those who can't let go the draft of last spring. (A draft that most people think the Texans did pretty good with, BTW).

Organizational accountability??? Do you think cheering Vince Young does anything to help with that?

As a UT grad, it makes me feel better.

Somehow, I don't believe I'll be the only one.

Second Honeymoon
12-06-2006, 09:10 PM
Timing and presentation just about everything. There are ways to get things done, and he has a way of sticking his foot in it. There was no way he was going to get a stadium from Houston the way he did it.

Did you know that Bud hired his first PR firm after he moved to TN because the locals started getting angry at him for some of the boneheaded stuff he was doing? That might have come in handy if you were trying to persuade the government to get you a new stadium.

I didn't like Bud when he was the owner here. I thought he was cheap, vulgar and an embarrassment to the city, and he proved the extent of his evil by moving the team and retiring the name and keeping the records.

Totally agree it was a chickens**t move for him to retire the name and uniforms. I guess old rich dudes with squirrels on their head can hold grudges too. Personally, I could care less because it was nice to have a fresh start...him not allowing us to wear throwbacks and stuff is childish and immature but i dont think the fresh start was worth 300+million.

If the Red Sox broke their curse, we could have broke ours. They came one yard from breaking the curse not even 3 years after they left town...

I disagree that he was cheap. He may have been greedy but he wasnt what I would call cheap. We were always active for top flight FA talent and wasnt afraid to take on a big contract. He goes out and spends money in FA to this day. At a higher rate and higher rate of success than McNair has to this point. Greed is different than being cheap. Not allowing tailgating is greedy not cheap.

I am not saying Bud doesnt hold some responsibility for the Oilers leaving but there were many other bad actors in that scenario and its really easy to just blame Bud for it all but its a disservice to your readers and to the honest truth. Fair and balanced, I always say *yeah right, pfft haha. i slant as much as anyone*

Texans_Chick
12-06-2006, 09:19 PM
As a UT grad, it makes me feel better.

Somehow, I don't believe I'll be the only one.

I'm at UT grad too. I want the best for Texas. I'm also a Texans fan and want the best for them as well.

I also understand that to pick Young, you had to decide that he would be so much better than a Kubiak-coached Carr plus key help on the defensive side of the ball.

AND you had to decide that it would be worth the additional salary cap picking QB #1 as it related to Carr's contract situation.

AND you had to decide whether it was a good thing to teach a new offense to a team AND try to learn up a rookie quarterback that probably would not run the offense as designed. And basically bank that that the QB stay healthy, because if he didn't the specially designed offense wouldn't work right. (VY is not Vick, but like ATL, the offense would be held hostage to one player's health).

Could you have made that decision? Sure you could have. But even I, as someone who loves VY's game realizes that chosing him for the Texans wasn't a very easy fit. Lots of leaps of faith in that decision.

Texans_Chick
12-06-2006, 09:24 PM
I am not saying Bud doesnt hold some responsibility for the Oilers leaving but there were many other bad actors in that scenario and its really easy to just blame Bud for it all but its a disservice to your readers and to the honest truth. Fair and balanced, I always say *yeah right, pfft haha. i slant as much as anyone*

Did I ever say it was all Bud's fault in what I wrote? No.

I just believe that he is the mephistopheles. He gave me little reason to like him while he was here, and he has given me less reason to like him since he's left.

If you don't think Bud is cheap, I guess you've never seen the way he dresses.

White Runningback
12-06-2006, 09:31 PM
I'm at UT grad too. I want the best for Texas. I'm also a Texans fan and want the best for them as well.

I also understand that to pick Young, you had to decide that he would be so much better than a Kubiak-coached Carr plus key help on the defensive side of the ball.

AND you had to decide that it would be worth the additional salary cap picking QB #1 as it related to Carr's contract situation.

AND you had to decide whether it was a good thing to teach a new offense to a team AND try to learn up a rookie quarterback that probably would not run the offense as designed. And basically bank that that the QB stay healthy, because if he didn't the specially designed offense wouldn't work right. (VY is not Vick, but like ATL, the offense would be held hostage to one player's health).

Could you have made that decision? Sure you could have. But even I, as someone who loves VY's game realizes that chosing him for the Texans wasn't a very easy fit. Lots of leaps of faith in that decision.

The leap isn't that great, but I see where you are coming from. Kubiak's offense is predicated on the run game and also requires a mobile quarterback. With the new regime, a new offense was installed anyway, and was new to everyone, Carr included.

As far as running the offense "as designed," I think you will concur that Carr clearly has proven inept in this regard.

So we're left with VY as a rookie QB. Point taken. BUT he has proven to have all the intangibles and most of the tangibles (short of the alleged Wonderlic score). As far as I'm concerned, I could care less if he could read Dr. Suess, as long as he can read a defense. But we'll agree to disagree, I'm sure.

However, since we're into hypotheticals, I have a novel idea. If it's truly about winning, how 'bout giving Sage a shot as a litmus test to see if it's a systemic problem or a case of user-error. This would've eliminated the need for speculation on this board as we know it.

Texans_Chick
12-06-2006, 09:46 PM
The leap isn't that great, but I see where you are coming from. Kubiak's offense is predicated on the run game and also requires a mobile quarterback. With the new regime, a new offense was installed anyway, and was new to everyone, Carr included.

As far as running the offense "as designed," I think you will concur that Carr clearly has proven inept in this regard.

So we're left with VY as a rookie QB. Point taken. BUT he has proven to have all the intangibles and most of the tangibles (short of the alleged Wonderlic score). As far as I'm concerned, I could care less if he could read Dr. Suess, as long as he can read a defense. But we'll agree to disagree, I'm sure.

However, since we're into hypotheticals, I have a novel idea. If it's truly about winning, how 'bout giving Sage a shot as a litmus test to see if it's a systemic problem or a case of user-error. This would've eliminated the need for speculation on this board as we know it.


Uh dude. Sage is out for the season with a broken thumb. I guess as a UT fan you might not know that.

As for Carr running the offense as designed, I think the entire offense has had difficulties with that. The offensive line is mangled, the run game inconsistent, and the play calling baffling at times. Carr has his share of issues with it, but this of course is talking from a hindsight perspective.

At the time of the draft, you had to assess if Carr could be a serviceable QB, serviceable enough that you could use the pick elsewhere.

If you get VY on your team, you have to change your offense if you are going to take advantage of the things you are good at. That is a big thing to do if you are a coach new to a situation and trying to set up everything.

I see you didn't address the salary cap issues with this.

Second Honeymoon
12-06-2006, 09:56 PM
If not for the broken thumb, something tells me the Sage Rosenfels era would have began last Sunday right around halftime :)

The best coaching move Kubiak made all year was taking the ball out of David's hands in the second half. Kubiak knew he couldnt put Van Pelt out there. He owed it to the rest of the team. Kubiak also knew that he owed it to the rest of the team to have a chance to win in spite of Carr. So he killed two birds with one stone.

He held Carr accountable and basically punished him to show that THE ENTIRE TEAM will be held accountable for their play including the spoiled QB. The silver spoon was pulled out of his mouth yet again. And the genius of the whole thing was that Kubes did this without putting in a QB that had little to no preparation which would have possibly squandered the rest of the team's chance at a sorely needed and well earned victory. He wasnt going to bench Carr for bad play at the price of the rest of the team's hard earned chance at a victory. Great move by Kubiak and was more of a message to the rest of the team that David is finally being held accountable....but not to the detriment of everyone else.

Kubiak was like 'Even David can just hand the ball off 30 times in a row...'

Carr was embarassed by Kubiak last Sunday. Make no bones about it. Kubiak knows it hurt and hurt good. He is hoping that this emergency heart transplant will do some good....sadly the prognosis doesn't look too good for Carr.

phan1
12-06-2006, 10:13 PM
I agree with the original post. All of this is really ticking me off to. As a fan, this is the most personal game that I have ever come across as a Texans fan, other tha Houston vs Dallas #1. For the sake of respect and fanfare, we NEED to win this game.

HomeBred_Texan
12-06-2006, 10:14 PM
Bud is far from the devil in this mythological scenario. Bud would be better characterized as Midas or a leprechaun protecting his pot of gold from those that coveted it. Bud made a business decision after our City Council passed on getting Bud a new stadium. And I might add that a new stadium was needed as the Astrodome was (and still is) a outdated and antiquated NFL facility. Well we showed Bud didnt we? We pay double the money and get an inferior product. This all the while he laughed his way to bank, Super Bowl, and VY draft party.....clever alliteration with Bud but innacurate. I like your blog but take a cue from your coworker General JMac and present the facts when speaking about Bud's departure to Tennessee....

...

Wait, let's get all the facts straight first...

Bud wanted the Astrodome renovated with new seating and a new scoreboard etc. We spent millions on that. But it wasn't good enough for him AFTER it was done. So then he DEMANDED a new stadium in which he DEMANDED the tax payers, meaning all of us, would have to pay for. Not 1 red cent was to come out of his multi million dollar pockets. We all voted NO DEAL on that situation. He didn't ask for the new stadium at first, just the renovation of the old one. And we did that just like he asked for how many millions of dollars? My mind slips cause of age, but more than I have for sure....

Speedy
12-06-2006, 10:28 PM
Wait, let's get all the facts straight first...

Bud wanted the Astrodome renovated with new seating and a new scoreboard etc. We spent millions on that. But it wasn't good enough for him AFTER it was done. So then he DEMANDED a new stadium in which he DEMANDED the tax payers, meaning all of us, would have to pay for. Not 1 red cent was to come out of his multi million dollar pockets. We all voted NO DEAL on that situation. He didn't ask for the new stadium at first, just the renovation of the old one. And we did that just like he asked for how many millions of dollars? My mind slips cause of age, but more than I have for sure....

And if I'm not mistaken, we're still paying for that renovation.

Second Honeymoon
12-06-2006, 10:31 PM
Wait, let's get all the facts straight first...

Bud wanted the Astrodome renovated with new seating and a new scoreboard etc. We spent millions on that. But it wasn't good enough for him AFTER it was done. So then he DEMANDED a new stadium in which he DEMANDED the tax payers, meaning all of us, would have to pay for. Not 1 red cent was to come out of his multi million dollar pockets. We all voted NO DEAL on that situation. He didn't ask for the new stadium at first, just the renovation of the old one. And we did that just like he asked for how many millions of dollars? My mind slips cause of age, but more than I have for sure....

Bud made a business decision. Pure and simple. Tennessee offered a sweet deal and the City Council didn't make an honest effort at making a counter proposal. They knew the people werent behind it by the way they had voted. Bud made a money grab just like all the other NFL owners did. His bluff just happened to be called.....was calling that bluff worth upwards of 300million dollars? Why not just pony up the 300million on a new stadium for Bud as opposed to upwards of a billion on new franchise and stadium.

But Bud has already been given the Scarlet Letter so lets just pass swift justice on him as both infidel and antichrist ala the Spanish Incquisition....

NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INCQUISITION....

...just remember to save a pitchfork for Lanier and Co.

HomeBred_Texan
12-06-2006, 10:31 PM
And if I'm not mistaken, we're still paying for that renovation.

LOL, probably the reason the old girl is still standing today instead of mowing her down and adding another parking lot and tailgaiting space.

False Start
12-06-2006, 10:36 PM
The whole RB/VY thing. It's so damned ridiculous. All you who think you know better, why aren't you working for the NFL? A lot of Houstonians need to grow up.

I just noticed the Chronicle has a "Top Pick Watch." Do you know what that says to me? Not "we're interested in tracking last years top draftees," it says "we're going to whine and ***** and moan and cry like little babies and try to prove that if WE ran the Texans, we'd be undefeated this year...oh booh hoo, my life is ruined because of the draft." I'll bet $100 if you look up the last 5 years, this is the only year they had a "draft pick watch" all year long.

And all the sports radio callers who keep calling in about "if we had VY/RB" don't bother. Because? We DON'T have them. Try moving nine months into the future with the rest of us.

For God's sake, either support your team, in its good and bad decisions, or sell your tickets and log out for good.

Don't get me wrong, I think you more than have a right to voice your opinion.

I also think if you're a Longhorn you have a right to like VY and even (quitely) cheer for him Sunday. I'll be cheering for Troy Smith where ever he goes next year.

But for all the whiney ass people who are still stuck back on the draft, I mean, do you cry for that long after you got dumped in high school?

MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE!!!!!!

We're all tired of losing, hindsight is 20/20, and crying doesn't give us a winning record it just annoys people like me.

/rant

(lol, after reading this, maybe it belongs in the No Spin Zone)

VERY well put my man . :cool:

Mr. B
12-06-2006, 10:38 PM
Hmmm Bud sounds like he and Tom Benson are brothers :francis:

Still trying to figure out what all this VY stuff is about aside from the UT fans man love of the guy. He has had a mediocre season at best. While he may be good down the road there is no indication yet that he won't meet the same fate as MV and others like Culpepper, etc. The coaching and defenses always catch up with you.

I'll give it to Bud for the fact that he knew how to stick it to Houston again by picking VY. He is gonna have half the stadium cheering for VY and Tennesse and most of those will be Houston locals. To be honest this is gonna be an embarresment when it happens.

Everyone knows that Tennesse was going to Pick RB if the Saints passed on him contrary to what they are saying now about VY was their man all the way (B@#$*****).

Agree with Yankee the draft is over let it go.

HomeBred_Texan
12-06-2006, 10:38 PM
Bud made a business decision. Pure and simple. Tennessee offered a sweet deal and the City Council didn't make an honest effort at making a counter proposal. They knew the people werent behind it by the way they had voted. Bud made a money grab just like all the other NFL owners did. His bluff just happened to be called.....was calling that bluff worth upwards of 300million dollars? Why not just pony up the 300million on a new stadium for Bud as opposed to upwards of a billion on new franchise and stadium.

But Bud has already been given the Scarlet Letter so lets just pass swift justice on him as both infidel and antichrist ala the Spanish Incquisition....

NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INCQUISITION....

...just remember to save a pitchfork for Lanier and Co.

Well his first threat was to move the team to Jacksonville if we didn't spend all those millions on the renovation. Just how many millions are we suppose to give him? This can be an endless argument, but didn't the city or county decide to have a vote in the polls for the taxpayers to say yea or nay on this whole scheme that he ran? I voted nay... I think we are better off right now than anytime with Bud Adams. We will be a winner soon enough, it's just tough getting there and some aren't patient enough to wait. Kind of like watching grass grow. You know it will, but how long will it take?

Texans_Chick
12-06-2006, 10:39 PM
If not for the broken thumb, something tells me the Sage Rosenfels era would have began last Sunday right around halftime :)

The best coaching move Kubiak made all year was taking the ball out of David's hands in the second half. Kubiak knew he couldnt put Van Pelt out there. He owed it to the rest of the team. Kubiak also knew that he owed it to the rest of the team to have a chance to win in spite of Carr. So he killed two birds with one stone.

He held Carr accountable and basically punished him to show that THE ENTIRE TEAM will be held accountable for their play including the spoiled QB. The silver spoon was pulled out of his mouth yet again. And the genius of the whole thing was that Kubes did this without putting in a QB that had little to no preparation which would have possibly squandered the rest of the team's chance at a sorely needed and well earned victory. He wasnt going to bench Carr for bad play at the price of the rest of the team's hard earned chance at a victory. Great move by Kubiak and was more of a message to the rest of the team that David is finally being held accountable....but not to the detriment of everyone else.

Kubiak was like 'Even David can just hand the ball off 30 times in a row...'

Carr was embarassed by Kubiak last Sunday. Make no bones about it. Kubiak knows it hurt and hurt good. He is hoping that this emergency heart transplant will do some good....sadly the prognosis doesn't look too good for Carr.


I am not going to offer this as an apologist point of view but just as a football observation.

The best drive of the Texans last week was the first series of plays (of course, the scripted ones). 4 runs, 5 pass plays. Fairly balanced.

The second series was 1 run, 4 pass plays.

The second quarter, where the Raiders really started pinning their ears back, there were 4 runs and 9 pass plays.

You go into this game knowing that the Raiders are stout up front, can put pressure on QBs, pass defense is a strength and run defense is not.

Why do you run 10 running plays to 18 passes in the first half?

When the battered young inexperienced playing together line and QB were really struggling in the second quarter, why do you keep putting Carr back into a stationary pocket?

The best that the offense has looked is when they are committed to the run, even when it isn't working. But it DID work some in the first half when they gave it a chance.

I am certainly not opining that Carr is the answer blah blah blah, but when I was watching the game, I kept thinking, okay, this is going to be running play because the Raiders are just abusing the line, and then it would be a drop back to a stationary pocket play. (WTH???) The playcalling seemingly was asking for massive Carr abuse.

I know that this isn't as interesting to discuss to some as just saying Carr sucks, but I am concerned with this as a future of the team thing and not just as a don't let the door hit David in the rear deal.

Double Barrel
12-06-2006, 11:05 PM
Bud made a business decision. Pure and simple.

Bud convinced the city of Houston to put around $80 million (IIRC) into the Astrodome, adding 10,000 seats (taking out the infamous scoreboard), and this had been financed with bonds to be paid off over thirty years. As of early 2005, Taxpayers still owe about $50 million on these renovations in the 1980s.

Then Bud wanted 100% control of a new stadium, even deciding where to put it. He wanted no part of the Houston Livestock Show & Rodeo, which is a HUGE part of the reason we have Reliant Stadium right now. The rodeo is a big draw for Houston, and has a great partnership with the NFL now. This is not something Bud would have agreed upon. In addition, he wanted 100% taxpayer-financed stadium (again, under his complete control), while Reliant was built with funds from a variety of sources.

And Bud would NEVER allow tailgating in Houston. Period.

Bud's 'business decision' was all about Bud, and he could have cared less for the citizens of this city and the shenanigans he'd been pulling for three decades. He screwed the people of this city, and continues to do so by denying any and all of HOUSTON OILER history. That, in itself, is a direct reflection of his bad character and black soul.

Read up on it before you rush to his defense. He's a snake oil salesman. I agree with TC that he's no good and downright vile and evil.

Many of the same people who told Bud to not let the door hit him in the ass in '95 will be the one's cheering for his team on Sunday. Love 'em when they win - screw 'em when they lose. Typical Houston/Austin fairweather bandwagon puke mentality -- and far more nauseating than our team's play this season.

Nail, meet head. Your words are so true. We probably have one of the smallest percentage of population to sports fanatics as anywhere. I could care less why this city is so fair-weather anymore. It just is.

Nighthawk
12-06-2006, 11:09 PM
For God's sake, either support your team, in its good and bad decisions, or sell your tickets and log out for good.


This is the kind of just plain dumb remark that requires a response.

Why in heaven's name would you "support your team" in its "bad decisions"? To do that would be just nuts. If your team makes a bad decision (as ours has) it is incumbant upon the reasonable fan to point out the bad decision and encourage whatever remedy that is available.

In our case, lamenting the loss of the already superior QB and encouraging the benching/trading of our incompetent 5 year QB.

ledzeppelin229
12-06-2006, 11:21 PM
If you can build a time machine and go back to draft day, and somehow pull off a different outcome, then I will give you credit that a "remedy" was found to the "problem". But whining about it won't get Young on our team. Call for benching Carr all you want but living in the past is a waste of time.

yaboycm
12-06-2006, 11:43 PM
The whole RB/VY thing. It's so damned ridiculous. All you who think you know better, why aren't you working for the NFL? A lot of Houstonians need to grow up.

I just noticed the Chronicle has a "Top Pick Watch." Do you know what that says to me? Not "we're interested in tracking last years top draftees," it says "we're going to whine and ***** and moan and cry like little babies and try to prove that if WE ran the Texans, we'd be undefeated this year...oh booh hoo, my life is ruined because of the draft." I'll bet $100 if you look up the last 5 years, this is the only year they had a "draft pick watch" all year long.

And all the sports radio callers who keep calling in about "if we had VY/RB" don't bother. Because? We DON'T have them. Try moving nine months into the future with the rest of us.

For God's sake, either support your team, in its good and bad decisions, or sell your tickets and log out for good.

Don't get me wrong, I think you more than have a right to voice your opinion.

I also think if you're a Longhorn you have a right to like VY and even (quitely) cheer for him Sunday. I'll be cheering for Troy Smith where ever he goes next year.

But for all the whiney ass people who are still stuck back on the draft, I mean, do you cry for that long after you got dumped in high school?

MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE!!!!!!

We're all tired of losing, hindsight is 20/20, and crying doesn't give us a winning record it just annoys people like me.

/rant

(lol, after reading this, maybe it belongs in the No Spin Zone)



Oh don't worry. Tickets are done after this year. Will come once a year to cheer on the dumbest pass over ever.

aj.
12-07-2006, 07:24 AM
What ticks me off are the so called fans who sell their tickets to titans fans to make a few bucks. Three directly behind me in 102 just sold for $190 ea. on Stub Hub. A co-worker of mine in 138 just sold his 4 for $150 ea. I didn't have to go on a roadie this year. It came to me. Disgusting. I was very excited about this game at one point, but now I am dreading it - and not because of what might happen on the field.

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 08:47 AM
Many of the same people who told Bud to not let the door hit him in the ass in '95 will be the one's cheering for his team on Sunday. Love 'em when they win - screw 'em when they lose. Typical Houston/Austin fairweather bandwagon puke mentality -- and far more nauseating than our team's play this season.

Couldn't agree more AJ...

I see people talking about giving up their seats, this, that, and the other. It is just completely sickening... But as I try to see positives in everything, those folks threatening to give up their seats, may have better seats than me and I can transfer...

I know that there are still hardcore fans out there as I can tell by their posts and their passion. These are the ones that will stick through the good times and the bad times - both. That's what a fan is.. Selling your tickets to fans from another team is just inexcusable.

Yankee_In_TX
12-07-2006, 11:09 AM
LOL @ AJ's avatar...

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 11:26 AM
Funny... Yankee starts this firestorm of a thread.... Disappears and then comes in to comment on AJ's avatar....

All y'all took the bait hook, line and sinker.... :rolleyes:

Yankee_In_TX
12-07-2006, 11:27 AM
Funny... Yankee starts this firestorm of a thread.... Disappears and then comes in to comment on AJ's avatar....

All y'all took the bait hook, line and sinker.... :rolleyes:

Hey, I have a 3 and a half hour final over employment law at 1!

Double Barrel
12-07-2006, 11:29 AM
I know that there are still hardcore fans out there as I can tell by their posts and their passion. These are the ones that will stick through the good times and the bad times - both. That's what a fan is.. Selling your tickets to fans from another team is just inexcusable.

You're damn right, my Texans brother! :texflag:

The Whiners Club on the Boycott Bandwagon can try as they might, but nothing will sway me from my allegiance to this team. I have a right to criticize the team as a fan, loyalty does not mean you are voiceless. But I will give up my season tickets when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers.

edo783
12-07-2006, 11:45 AM
Hey, I have a 3 and a half hour final over employment law at 1!

That one is easy. Ya work, do your job well, don't P.O. the Boss or his/her relative....your employed.:yahoo:

edo783
12-07-2006, 11:47 AM
I know that there are still hardcore fans out there as I can tell by their posts and their passion. These are the ones that will stick through the good times and the bad times - both. That's what a fan is.. Selling your tickets to fans from another team is just inexcusable.

Dang straight dud. :cowboy1:

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 11:55 AM
Dang straight dud. :cowboy1:

Please clarify:
"Dang straight dud"
or
"Dang straight dude"

I prefer the latter over the former...LOL

White Runningback
12-07-2006, 12:12 PM
Uh dude. Sage is out for the season with a broken thumb. I guess as a UT fan you might not know that.

As for Carr running the offense as designed, I think the entire offense has had difficulties with that. The offensive line is mangled, the run game inconsistent, and the play calling baffling at times. Carr has his share of issues with it, but this of course is talking from a hindsight perspective.

At the time of the draft, you had to assess if Carr could be a serviceable QB, serviceable enough that you could use the pick elsewhere.

If you get VY on your team, you have to change your offense if you are going to take advantage of the things you are good at. That is a big thing to do if you are a coach new to a situation and trying to set up everything.

I see you didn't address the salary cap issues with this.

Yes, I am aware that Sage is out. Preceeding the injury, or even last year, why not give someone else a shot at running the offense? I would speculate that the offense isn't as bad as it appears to be. Currently, Carr is in a pretty good situation. No backup to get benched in favor of so Kubiak is basically stuck with him for the remainder of the year.

With VY, what exactly has to change? He's not the most prolific passer but I shudder to think that he couldn't complete checkdowns and short passes. Fill me in on what it is that the offense so proficiently does.

Nothing's changed as of yet, including the Texans performance. To be completely honest, DC is the common denominator. Why not change something? If you are adverse to change, you are resigned to continued failure.

Did Carr rescue your cat from a tree or something? Just wondering because you seem to vehemently defend him at a moments notice.

Yankee_In_TX
12-07-2006, 12:13 PM
Please clarify:
"Dang straight dud"
or
"Dang straight dude"

I prefer the latter over the former...LOL

Well, if he was talking to you.... :stirpot:

Texan_Bill
12-07-2006, 12:19 PM
Well, if he was talking to you.... :stirpot:

Are you coming this weekend for the Chilli cook-off? You can try some of mine.....lol:

OrangeCountyTexansFan
12-07-2006, 12:19 PM
If there are fairweather fans out there who have remaining tickets to home games you would like to get rid of, send them to me. I won't quit on the team. I just can't afford season tickets and the gas to drive over to Houston on home game weekends or I'd be at every home game.
:texan:

TheOgre
12-07-2006, 12:43 PM
This may sound hard to believe but we move out a ton of useless threads that get posted and silence a good deal of the pure haters...what you guys see are the best of the rest.

A scary thought, but not surprising. I don't like Carr, but I don't necessarily think we screwed up by taking Mario. This team has so many needs. You look at our defense and I see three guys that should definitely be on our team in 3 years, Mario, Demeco, and Dunte. The rest of the defense needs to be retooled.

I realize offensively we are in a similar situation (AJ, Daniels, perhaps Moulds, and probably a couple of the linemen), but keep in mind this was after a draft that landed two of our defensive stars of the future.

Personally I hope Carr is traded for something like a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Then sign Plummer, draft AP (1st), an OLB (2nd/3rd), FS/CB (2nd/3rd), and a center (2nd/3rd). Then we let Plummer start while we find out if Spencer, Winston, Pitts, Weary and the rookie center make for a better line than the POS one we have had for 5 years. He can take a pounding or rollout instead of putting a rookie behind them. We might even take a chance on a long-shot QB in the 5th-7th rounds. Then we look for a more permanent solution to the QB situation in the 2008 draft/offseason.

Yankee_In_TX
12-08-2006, 10:52 AM
I can't let this thread die, it's the most replies any of my threads have ever gotten, lol!

So, this is Vince's hometown, but why does he/everyone call this his "hometown crowd?" I'm sorry, was everyone that into his HS career? Wouldn't Austin be his hometown crowd?

Texan_Bill
12-08-2006, 10:59 AM
Exactly my point Yankee. He played at a rival HS of mine and you already know my college loyalties... So what has VY done for me? About the same as Joseph Adai (who played at another rival HS). Strahan went to my HS and when we played the Giants I was NOT cheering for him, I was cheering my Texans.

PS Yankee. I would like to thank your Buck-eyes for bringing the T'sips down a peg...

:stirpot:

Texans_Chick
12-08-2006, 11:04 AM
Exactly my point Yankee. He played at a rival HS of mine and you already know my college loyalties... So what has VY done for me? About the same as Joseph Adai (who played at another rival HS). Strahan went to my HS and when we played the Giants I was NOT cheering for him, I was cheering my Texans.

PS Yankee. I would like to thank your Buck-eyes for bringing the T'sips down a peg...

:stirpot:

To be fair, before the draft, Young begged Houston to take him. He even implied that on the Tonight Show before he declared. I have to say it is nice for a player to want to play for your team, and say nice things about your city, even if it also means that they get a first pick payday.

Reggie Bush was excited to be the first pick, but he never went out of his way to say he want to play for the Texans or for Houston fans. He felt edgy about how fans wanted VY. He even gave some love to the Jets, saying how he would like to play in a national market.

I appreciated that VY wanted to be here, and as someone who thought he might have success in the NFL, I wanted him to be here. But I also knew that given the circumstances it was absolutely impractical to take him #1. With the problems our team had, and the timing of all the Carr contract stuff.

Yankee_In_TX
12-08-2006, 11:09 AM
Exactly my point Yankee. He played at a rival HS of mine and you already know my college loyalties... So what has VY done for me? About the same as Joseph Adai (who played at another rival HS). Strahan went to my HS and when we played the Giants I was NOT cheering for him, I was cheering my Texans.

PS Yankee. I would like to thank your Buck-eyes for bringing the T'sips down a peg...

:stirpot:

Off topic: I had no idea what a T'sip was, I asked our Aggie friends at the A&M/Neb game (which was AWESOME, BTW!!!!! Never heard that many people get that quiet that fast in my life!).

I guess I can kind of see VY wanting to come to H Town, but still...

jerek
12-08-2006, 11:13 AM
I still cannot for anything understand the philosophy that says pick up Plummer to replace Carr. The two play possess very similar talents and deficiencies.

JDizzle
12-08-2006, 11:16 AM
I still cannot for anything understand the philosophy that says pick up Plummer to replace Carr. The two play possess very similar talents and deficiencies.

I dunno either. But I would not put it past Kubiak to bring him in next season should we move or cut Carr to compete for the job.

Texan_Bill
12-08-2006, 11:17 AM
I give you love for beating "TU" and you have to throw the Nebraska game in my face - L'il Red, I can understand, but you???... NICE!! :rolleyes:

Kyle field rocks!

Did they explain the TU thing to you??

Yankee_In_TX
12-08-2006, 11:29 AM
I give you love for beating "TU" and you have to throw the Nebraska game in my face - L'il Red, I can understand, but you???... NICE!! :rolleyes:

Kyle field rocks!

Did they explain the TU thing to you??

Huh? You're not an Aggie....?

Texan_Bill
12-08-2006, 11:34 AM
I guess I am an Aggcoog..

Thats why the one point loss to Nebraska, one week after the one point loss to OU really stung.

Kaiser Toro
12-08-2006, 11:35 AM
I still cannot for anything understand the philosophy that says pick up Plummer to replace Carr. The two play possess very similar talents and deficiencies.

Don't get it either.

dantem
12-08-2006, 01:24 PM
Blindly supporting the team in it's good and bad desicions has gotten us to this point. Until the fans say no more, we will get what we get, which is pathetic football. You people are like the abused girlfriend that's afraid to leave her loser boyfriend. Why don't all you homers buy a clue. You berate everyone with a non-homer opinion, and then follow that by saying we are allowed an opinion. Which is it? Or do we all have to march in lockstep off the edge of the cliff like a bunch of little rats to the Texans pied piper? Go ahead, and put your little steel blue blinders on. As for me, I have an opinion, and I will state mine whether you homers like it or not.

So if you like the Texans and believe in thier potential your a Homer.

But if you hate everything about the Texans organization, the draft Picks, Players, Play Calling, QB. then your a True Fan.

I hope you didn't support the Draft picks this year by buying season tickets, that would be pretty pathetic.

What is it that you like about them, Torro?

Texan_Bill
12-08-2006, 01:51 PM
So if you like the Texans and believe in thier potential your a Homer.

But if you hate everything about the Texans organization, the draft Picks, Players, Play Calling, QB. then your a True Fan.

I hope you didn't support the Draft picks this year by buying season tickets, that would be pretty pathetic.

What is it that you like about them, Torro?

You can never go wrong with using "the cheerleaders" as an answer.... j/k

I wonder what you are called if you can be infuriated by some of the moves made by the organization, voice your opinions about them and still cheer your team on every Sunday and never have missed a home game, cheering wildly in support of the players and the team thats on the field..

threetoedpete
12-08-2006, 01:51 PM
Put me in that basket also. I wanted to trade down and get DA Brick, but that didn't happen and we might be paying for it, but that is how it goes sometimes. Mario is a fine pick and a force on the defense. This is the team I support, not the player.

Me too I wanted D'brick real bad. No trade partner, I'm happy to get Mario. Once he gets the hands thingy down...he's going to be THE monster DE in the league for a very long time. Reggie White/ Bruce Smith types don't fall out of the trees.

Hmm, homer....I guess. I just see what I've seen. I know the lack of attention to the o-line has put us where we are now. McClain knows this too. I posted this befor...the chronicle is in the bussiness to move papers period. They only build people up so they can tear them down later. He's piling on...it's just to stir you up to buy a paper. Their only goal is to move papers... period. Carr's turn now. But, Vincent's turn will come around one day also. Just bussiness.

threetoedpete
12-08-2006, 01:56 PM
I still cannot for anything understand the philosophy that says pick up Plummer to replace Carr. The two play possess very similar talents and deficiencies.

That's the ABC guys...Anyone But Carr.

sleepwalker
12-08-2006, 02:45 PM
Fantastic post !!!