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nunusguy
12-05-2006, 08:43 AM
He was even in on the Carr decision. It was Kubiak's call, but I'm guessing Casserly gave him a glowing recommendation of Carr. He wasn't about to admit he'd blown it.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4379499.html
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Just for clarification, didn't the Texans pick-up Carr's option "BEFORE" Kubiak
became the HC ?

Marcus
12-05-2006, 08:53 AM
Nobody really knows who did what when. It's just speculation.

Was it McNair? Was it Kubiak? Was it McNair before Kubiak, or after?

No one really knows. Except McNair and Kubiak.

HJam72
12-05-2006, 08:54 AM
I did it! :bananasplit:

Meloy
12-05-2006, 08:56 AM
Nobody really knows who did what when. It's just speculation.

Was it McNair? Was it Kubiak? Was it McNair before Kubiak, or after?

No one really knows. Except McNair and Kubiak. I agree. I just read article before reading this thread. Justice just does the Monday morning QB thing. If Carr had excelled this season, my read on Justice says he would be trumpeting how smart Kubes was to say Carr can take team to SB.

HJam72
12-05-2006, 08:58 AM
I agree. I just read article before reading this thread. Justice just does the Monday morning QB thing. If Carr had excelled this season, my read on Justice says he would be trumpeting how smart Kubes was to say Carr can take team to SB.

And that he was with him all the way. :rolleyes:

SESupergenius
12-05-2006, 09:31 AM
OMG, that is laughable that he says he's backed Carr all along. Too funny. How long has he backed Vince Young? Vince Young is playing far from great and he negates the defense that the Titans have been playing with as well as the lackluster performance of Young overall. Sure he's had big players, but a player like Tony Romo should be getting more press against Carr then Vince Young. Palmer was our one of our coaches for crying out loud and now that he's with the Cowboys and teaching Romo, Romo is doing a great job, something Carr could never do with Palmer.

Hervoyel
12-05-2006, 09:41 AM
Can Justice really "revisit" something he never left to begin with?

whiskeyrbl
12-05-2006, 09:45 AM
This is just a "I LOVE VINCE" article, why does'nt he talk about Mario and DeMeco. I have no interest in the feeble thoughts of such a turncoat.

nunusguy
12-05-2006, 09:49 AM
Got off my butt and did a little research to answer my own question:
story dated 1-23 reports Kubiaks hire, but the story reporting option execution for Carr's contract is not dated until 2-10.
And we know the official report of Kubiaks hire was almost surely delayed from the actual event because of his former teams participation in playoffs
which restricts employment negotiations, contracts, etc between teams and prospective hires.
Anyway, this leaves little doubt of Kubiaks involvement in the decision to keep David for additional years.

wolfscar
12-05-2006, 10:00 AM
Vince Young is playing far from great and he negates the defense that the Titans have been playing with as well as the lackluster performance of Young overall.

Bit of a sidenote, but have you seen the voting for Rookie of the Week?
http://www.nfl.com/rookies/vote (http://www.nfl.com/rookies/vote)
Vince has TWICE as many votes as Ryans. Yes, he had a decent game, but he threw for less than 200 yards and put up two interceptions (one of which could have been picked by any one of four guys). DeMeco was immense, start to finish.

Scandalous.

Porky
12-05-2006, 10:03 AM
I agree. I just read article before reading this thread. Justice just does the Monday morning QB thing. If Carr had excelled this season, my read on Justice says he would be trumpeting how smart Kubes was to say Carr can take team to SB.

It is what it is. Did you want him to say it was a great choice to bypass Young and keep Carr when it clearly isn't? And is it really isn't Mondy morning QB when that's what you said before the fact, or do you guys just like to ***** at everything written in the Chronic for the sport of it?

Mr. White
12-05-2006, 10:24 AM
IMO, Justice is stating the obvious. The Texans missed an opportunity to create more fans and probably improve the team.

I personally agree, even though I like the Mario Williams pick. I think that great teams are built in the trenches.

The Texans could have done something special, instead they made the smart, no-nonsense decision that would pay off in the long term. Like Porky said, it is what it is.

HOU-TEX
12-05-2006, 10:37 AM
IMO, Justice is stating the obvious. The Texans missed an opportunity to create more fans and probably improve the team.

I personally agree, even though I like the Mario Williams pick. I think that great teams are built in the trenches.

The Texans could have done something special, instead they made the smart, no-nonsense decision that would pay off in the long term. Like Porky said, it is what it is.

I agree 100%. I like the fact we picked Mario. As some others have said on the board lately, build the oline and secondary. Pick up a QB later on the first day (Kolb, maybe Brohm), allow Carr, Rosy or even Plummer manage the team next year allowing our rook QB to soak everything in. By 08 most of the big holes in our team will be filled-insert QB:twocents:

ATX_Texan
12-05-2006, 10:48 AM
If I'm Bob McNair, I'd invite Charley Casserly back for Sunday's game. He messed up the franchise and then quit. His fingerprints are on almost every mistake the Texans have made. It's laughable that he landed a network job as an insider.

No,it is not laughable. It is down right disgusting. Casserly "the draft genius" ruined this franchise and now he somehow is on TV as an "expert". The only expertise he has is on how to destroy an NFL team. Thanks to his incompetence, the Texans are still an expansion team five years in. I cannot stand to watch him on CBS's pregame show because to me he has zero credibility.

:bomb:

Honoring Earl 34
12-05-2006, 10:51 AM
So what did Kubiak know about Carr ? He scouted him before the 2002 draft , watched fim , talked to Reeves and Casserly .

Kubiak did not get to look at the Carr in person . He did'nt get a test drive or a chance to check the odometer and we know there's know way he could have seen the dents or bent frame .

Porky
12-05-2006, 11:44 AM
So what did Kubiak know about Carr ? He scouted him before the 2002 draft , watched fim , talked to Reeves and Casserly .

Kubiak did not get to look at the Carr in person . He did'nt get a test drive or a chance to check the odometer and we know there's know way he could have seen the dents or bent frame .

I would check the title. Could be he went thru a flood. He might have some rust in his joints. Anyway, too late now. He made the down payment, and has a 36 month note to pay off. Maybe he can trade the flood Carr in for a Young one.

hollywood_texan
12-05-2006, 12:11 PM
I suspect the biggest problem the Texans have is the owner!

Running an NFL team is not the same as being profitable in the business environment.

I have a feeling McNair handcuffs his people to get what he wants.

It just doesn't make sense that Kubiak is just as invested in Carr as Capers and Casserly was.

I wouldn't be surprised if Carr is still the starting QB through next year.

phan1
12-05-2006, 12:19 PM
OK, Richard Justice is officially an *****. All he writes are fluff pieces that don't say much about anything. Did he mention that we had one HELL of a draft? Did he mention that if we keep on having drafts like we had in 2006, this team will be a playoff contender with or without Carr? Right now, I like what we're doing: Building a good, solid football TEAM, not great media hype stories on INDIVIDUALS (something that Justice obviously likes to write). He wants to analyze the 2006 draft? He only mentions what we did wrong with our #1 pick! And somehow this mistake is going to put us back 2-3 years? I hope people get off of VY's jock after we beat the Titans this week. Maybe Justice can write another fluff piece on how a loss was a moral victory for VY. :rolleyes:

If you haven't noticed, when all the NFL draft hype dies down and the season starts, #1 picks are very overrated. The are built on solid football drafts, and we had a great one in 2006. While we do have a problem at the QB position, I have to believe Kubiak is going to fix it some way or another. And keep in mind that by taking VY, you sacrifice Carr AND Williams. That's just too much to sacrifice, especially when the jury is still out on Carr. Williams has emerged as our best DE by far and has been a difference maker.

When you look at the big picture, we made the right decision in that moment. It was the safer decision that would also have give us the most rewards. What would be better than to 1)have a great DE on a team that would improve a horrible defensive roster, and 2)finally get Carr headed in the right direction. This hasn't really come to fruition, but even our worst-case scenario is still better than the worst-case scenario if we had drafted VY. We had to further evaluate Carr, and we couldn't sacrifice Williams on a defense. But I guess Justice wouldn't know squat about that because DEs aren't as much fun to write about as VY. He'd rather have a losing team with a good punch-line than a better team with nothing to write about. I'm glad he's not running our football team.

Wordem
12-05-2006, 12:19 PM
Vince Young is playing far from great and he negates the defense that the Titans have been playing with as well as the lackluster performance of Young overall.

Quite possibly the stupidest thing ever posted on the internet. Congratulations.

Mr. White
12-05-2006, 12:22 PM
I suspect the biggest problem the Texans have is the owner!

Running an NFL team is not the same as being profitable in the business environment

You might be onto something here. This would reinforce something that Vinny posted on Sunday about the way the organization works.

It's run like a corporation. Decisions are made methodically and not without oversight. If it was a traditional corporation, then that would be great. But it's not.

I have a feeling McNair handcuffs his people to get what he wants.

It just doesn't make sense that Kubiak is just as invested in Carr as Capers and Casserly was.

I wouldn't be surprised if Carr is still the starting QB through next year.

I wouldn't be surprised either. I think that McNair won't give up on Carr until it's way too late.

Second Honeymoon
12-05-2006, 12:24 PM
We have McNair, Dan Reeves, and Asserley to thank for having that pile of dog feces Carr at Quarterback. Kubiak knew he had to work with Carr in order to get the job. Everyone knows that the decision was made before the coaches were hired. To Kubiak's credit, he really wanted the Texans job. Enough it seems to tell everyone with a straight face that Carr could get the job done. Whatever, keep making excuses and keep championing plays Carr makes in losing football games.

In the meantime, Vince just made McNair his prison toy and the spin cycle is in full force around here. We passed on VY for a pathetic QB. Congrats Texans fan. Thankfully the rest of the draft was solid or we would be circling the drain more than we already are.

At least we arent Oakland.

VY > Carr
Real Fans > Homer Fans
Bud Adams > McNair

Sad but true. Sometimes the truth hurts. At least Adams isnt dumb enough to pass on Young. McNair showed that not only is he dumb enough to pass on Young but also dumb enough to pick up a horrible QBs contract. But at least the stupid homers are happy. COngrats on another losing season. If Carr is our quarterback again next year, expect another embarassing unentertaining year of Texans football. But at least the stupid homers will be happy......diaf

Hookem Horns
12-05-2006, 12:30 PM
Excellent article. I couldn't have said it better myself. No wait, actually I did but that was BEFORE the draft.

nunusguy
12-05-2006, 12:30 PM
I suspect the biggest problem the Texans have is the owner!
Running an NFL team is not the same as being profitable in the business environment.
I have a feeling McNair handcuffs his people to get what he wants.
It just doesn't make sense that Kubiak is just as invested in Carr as Capers and Casserly was.
I wouldn't be surprised if Carr is still the starting QB through next year.
I really think McNair is more of a delagator than a "hands-on" type.
Don't you really think he would have preferred to draft a very high-profile
type player like VY or Reggie Bush who would have been a sensational commercial successes over a talented but virtually unknown DLineman ?
But McNair kept his nose out of that.
And I do think McNair is personally fond of Carr, but not to the point that
he'd concously keep him if it hurt the team.

kingh99
12-05-2006, 12:31 PM
I agree. I just read article before reading this thread. Justice just does the Monday morning QB thing. If Carr had excelled this season, my read on Justice says he would be trumpeting how smart Kubes was to say Carr can take team to SB.

I think it was Gary Kubiak who made the decision after reading between the lines of Mr. McNair's comments. I can just see one of the meetings:

Well Gary, David really never had a QB coach and a scheme designed to take advantage of his strengths. He's been bad, no doubt. Do you think it was the scheme? Don't answer now Gary. We can get back together on this later.

In other words, Kubiak better have had a real strong reason to jettison Carr cuz McNair would be insinuating his preference long before Gary made the call. and there was honest confusion about who was the best in the draft. My opinion.

ATX_Texan
12-05-2006, 12:43 PM
Running an NFL team is not the same as being profitable in the business environment.

I have to disagree with the notion that McNair is running the Texans more like a profitable business compared to an owner that only cares about winning.

McNair the business man would have realized that from marketing and media exposure Young or Bush was much more profitable than the Mario pick.

The thing I have notice about McNair is that he seems very content with the revenues being generated by the Texans. The last I saw, the Texans were a top 5 revenue generating team. I think that because he has money rolling in, he does not seem to be very concerned at all about building or maintaining a fan base. When people complained about the draft, the response was "We still have a waiting list for season tickets". When games are not shown in the other cities like San Antonio or Austin, the response is "We don't control the TV". I cannot believe that a business man would ignore the entire rest of state. I am sure if TV stations stopped broadcasting Cowboy games in the other cities of this state, Jones would show some level of concern.

texan279
12-05-2006, 12:59 PM
Once the existing contracts run out, the Texans will free fall from their current Top5 revenue generating team. As a season ticket holder, you would not believe how many 'no shows' there are. Sadly, I dont blame them. It's not an entertaining product in its current state and there is nothing to believe in other than Ryans, AJ, and sometimes Mario.

The reason games aren't shown in other markets is because the ratings are so low for Texans games they could get better ratings showing a rock-paper-scissors tournament.

McNair's revenues are freefalling as we speak and the corporate sponsorships will start to decay and depreciate over time. The honeymoon is over and the masses are revolting.

Viva le revolucion

Too bad Sage got hurt on that tackle or the David Carr era would already officially be over. The day that Carr is run out of town once and for all will be a joyous occasion for all real Texans fans. Most of the only Carr fans left are the ones who are more impressed by his family life and church going than his ability as QB. They are like 'well he prays, he is a good family man, and is white. Good enough for me.'......well IT AINT GOOD ENOUGH. It's not surprise that myopic Astros fan is the same guy as myopic Texans fan. Same losers that think Bagwell deserves the Hall Of Fame. STupid fans.

I am so sick of this team right about now, and to be honest, coming here and rolling you Carr homers is about the only thing that keeps me interested. I just cant wait till all you losers have to eat crow once and for all. You think Carr is good because he is like you...well if he is like you, he is a loser.

Dude we get it, you think Carr sucks, but the name calling and personal attacks against him and calling people here losers is getting silly and old.

Second Honeymoon
12-05-2006, 01:21 PM
Dude we get it, you think Carr sucks, but the name calling and personal attacks against him and calling people here losers is getting silly and old.

I don't think Carr sucks, I know Carr sucks. Big difference. Who cares if I personally attack Carr. He is garbage. As for calling people losers around here, get over it, I get called far worse.

sometimes the truth hurts

oh yeah. Carr still sucks.

doug ftw

Double Barrel
12-05-2006, 01:37 PM
I agree. I just read article before reading this thread. Justice just does the Monday morning QB thing. If Carr had excelled this season, my read on Justice says he would be trumpeting how smart Kubes was to say Carr can take team to SB.

Justice puts his finger to the wind and formulates his 'opinion' based upon the direction. I don't have much respect for his takes any more than the next guy, and take them with a grain of salt.

As for calling people losers around here, get over it, I get called far worse.

We deal with insults and personal attacks regardless of who they come from. If you're being called names, let us know and we'll take care of it. But it doesn't give you the right to do the same. :howdy:

And besides, ALL Texans fans are rooting for a losing franchise, so that sort of makes us all 'losers'. :shades:

dtran04
12-05-2006, 01:43 PM
I just don't get why people keep taking the time to make posts that say the same EXACT thing in every thread. Is it really necessary?

Texan_Bill
12-05-2006, 01:57 PM
Bud Adams > McNair


Whatever shred of credibility you may have had, you lost all of it with that comparison... Thats just plain ignorant when Adams (save the first two AFL championships - whoohooo) has had 46 years of ineptitude.... not 5.

Texan_Bill
12-05-2006, 02:07 PM
The last I saw, the Texans were a top 5 revenue generating team..

Be carefull with that assessment. The Texans are also 27th as it relates to percentage of debt value.... Just a heads up.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/30/06nfl_NFL-Team-Valuations_DOV_2.html

hollywood_texan
12-05-2006, 02:18 PM
I have to disagree with the notion that McNair is running the Texans more like a profitable business compared to an owner that only cares about winning.

McNair the business man would have realized that from marketing and media exposure Young or Bush was much more profitable than the Mario pick.

The thing I have notice about McNair is that he seems very content with the revenues being generated by the Texans. The last I saw, the Texans were a top 5 revenue generating team. I think that because he has money rolling in, he does not seem to be very concerned at all about building or maintaining a fan base. When people complained about the draft, the response was "We still have a waiting list for season tickets". When games are not shown in the other cities like San Antonio or Austin, the response is "We don't control the TV". I cannot believe that a business man would ignore the entire rest of state. I am sure if TV stations stopped broadcasting Cowboy games in the other cities of this state, Jones would show some level of concern.

What I meant was, putting a winning football team together is very different from a profitable business. The economic pie to some extent is infinite and even a poorly run business can be successful under good economic circumstances. Not so in the NFL when it comes to winning.

In the NFL, there are clear defined winners and losers.

I think McNair probably delegates most of the stuff but it seems there to be an overall attitude from my discussion with them and what I have heard from other people. I don't like it and they sometimes seem a little pompess, like I should be thankful.

My overall point was about Carr, the longer he stays with the team and playing the way he is and Kubiak keeps towing the company line, the more I am going to think the Carr situation is more of McNair's doing. So, McNair delegates most stuff but I have a feeling his fingers are all into the Carr situation.

I don't think anyone expects this team to make the playoffs, but there should be a respectable showing even with the guys currently around Carr.

The newness is wearing off the Texans, and if the Texans keep playing the way they are, the waiting list will go away and other revenues will go away.

I am not putting another dime into this team outside of season tickets. I will eat and get drunk before the game so McNair gets very little money.

This whole situation is getting ridiculous and bordering on unacceptable. The more I think about it, there should be some apologies to the fans!

Second Honeymoon
12-05-2006, 02:50 PM
Whatever shred of credibility you may have had, you lost all of it with that comparison... Thats just plain ignorant when Adams (save the first two AFL championships - whoohooo) has had 46 years of ineptitude.... not 5.

I stand by the comparison. Unlike most Houston fans, I blame Lanier for the Oilers leaving town more than I blame Adams greed. The Astrodome was easily one of the worst venues in the whole NFL and the City Council played a high stakes game of chicken with Adams and lost. Period.

Bud didn't leave in the middle of the night, the city council ran him off and fresh off the disappointments of the actual team, the city didn't really care. Over time, the hunger came back and McNair fed the fire but at twice the cost. We had to spend twice the amount to get the Texans than it would have taken to keep Adams here. We lost years of tradition and look what we got in exchange. I am sorry but the Texans are far more embarassing an organization than the Oilers/Titans have been. Hopefully things will change but McNair gets a D grade so far as an owner. He waited too long to fire Cass, he wanted to keep Carr another year, he passed on local/state hero Vince Young because he was stupid enough to think Carr would be better than VY.

We are below salary cap annually and have yet to make the big splash in FA/trades that this team desperately needs. We need a Reggie White type move like the Packers made back 15 years ago. It changed the entire culture of Green Bay and they ended up going to the Super Bowl 2 times and competed almost annually. I don't need playoffs to be proud of our football team, but I do need to believe in them and with Carr at the helm, only a moron would believe in that pile of garbage.

doug ftw

Lucky
12-05-2006, 02:53 PM
We had to spend twice the amount to get the Texans than it would have taken to keep Adams here.
If that's what it took, that's what it took.

Second Honeymoon
12-05-2006, 03:10 PM
If that's what it took, that's what it took.

And what has it gotten us? Honestly. The Oilers were far more entertaining than this product has been. Oh and another thing, the thing that was tough about the Oilers was they would get you to believe in them and then send you into a precipitous freefall of disappointment. That stuff sucked but at least you could believe in the team after Week4. The mixture of belief then letdown was what made being an Oiler fan so dynamic. WIth this team you never even have anything to believe in or pin your hopes on. Hopefully this last draft changed that because I love the way Ryans plays. Hopefully he becomes our Al Smith and QBs the defense for the next decade.

Double Barrel
12-05-2006, 03:16 PM
And what has it gotten us? Honestly.

Football game tailgating...a tradition enjoyed by many other NFL cities, but never Houston because ol' bottom line Bud saw revenue being lost out there in the parking lot.

Tailgating brings it's own tradition to Houston football, and the camaraderie holds us fans together through tough times. I've made so many friends through tailgating that I wouldn't have made otherwise, and it is a big reason a lot of folks renew their season tickets to a losing franchise every year.

Our ship will come in, man. I think it's just a matter of time, and we'll have a foundation of football atmosphere that this city never experienced even in they heyday of the Oilers. Can you imagine the carnival feeling that tailgating would have if mixed with a winning team like the "luv ya blue" days? It would be mind-boggling.

Second Honeymoon
12-05-2006, 03:35 PM
Football game tailgating...a tradition enjoyed by many other NFL cities, but never Houston because ol' bottom line Bud saw revenue being lost out there in the parking lot.

Tailgating brings it's own tradition to Houston football, and the camaraderie holds us fans together through tough times. I've made so many friends through tailgating that I wouldn't have made otherwise, and it is a big reason a lot of folks renew their season tickets to a losing franchise every year.

Our ship will come in, man. I think it's just a matter of time, and we'll have a foundation of football atmosphere that this city never experienced even in they heyday of the Oilers. Can you imagine the carnival feeling that tailgating would have if mixed with a winning team like the "luv ya blue" days? It would be mind-boggling.

I love the tailgating too. I remember having to hide in our car drinking beer before the only home Oiler playoff game in history, Chiefs v Texans. It was a total ticket waiting to happen. Bud was a jerk about that, that is for sure.

I hadn't really factored tailgating into the Mcnair v Adams argument. I see your point and the pregame festivities before the games are half the fun....and the post game hangouts after big wins (albeit few) have been legendary.

I do think Bud would have probably gave us tailgating if we would have built him a new stadium but that is pure speculation and I guess best guess would be to see if Titans fan can tailgate? Anyone know if Titans have sanctioned tailgating?

I just think McNair talks a good game and obviously gets credit for bringing NFL back, but he needs to eventually gives us a quality product. I am not saying playoffs but I am saying entertaining, professional, and improving.

travfrancis
12-05-2006, 04:22 PM
Our ship will come in, man. I think it's just a matter of time, and we'll have a foundation of football atmosphere that this city never experienced even in they heyday of the Oilers. Can you imagine the carnival feeling that tailgating would have if mixed with a winning team like the "luv ya blue" days? It would be mind-boggling.

You mean like if the Texans drafted VY? Oh wait...opportunity passed.





Sorry to post this negativity, but I'm a bitter man, can't help but get one of these out every so often out of frustration.

mganz
12-05-2006, 05:04 PM
Originally Posted by Second Honeymoon
Once the existing contracts run out, the Texans will free fall from their current Top5 revenue generating team. As a season ticket holder, you would not believe how many 'no shows' there are. Sadly, I dont blame them. It's not an entertaining product in its current state and there is nothing to believe in other than Ryans, AJ, and sometimes Mario.

The reason games aren't shown in other markets is because the ratings are so low for Texans games they could get better ratings showing a rock-paper-scissors tournament.

McNair's revenues are freefalling as we speak and the corporate sponsorships will start to decay and depreciate over time. The honeymoon is over and the masses are revolting.

Viva le revolucion

Too bad Sage got hurt on that tackle or the David Carr era would already officially be over. The day that Carr is run out of town once and for all will be a joyous occasion for all real Texans fans. Most of the only Carr fans left are the ones who are more impressed by his family life and church going than his ability as QB. They are like 'well he prays, he is a good family man, and is white. Good enough for me.'......well IT AINT GOOD ENOUGH. It's not surprise that myopic Astros fan is the same guy as myopic Texans fan. Same losers that think Bagwell deserves the Hall Of Fame. STupid fans.

I am so sick of this team right about now, and to be honest, coming here and rolling you Carr homers is about the only thing that keeps me interested. I just cant wait till all you losers have to eat crow once and for all. You think Carr is good because he is like you...well if he is like you, he is a loser.


What does it matter if he is white? I don't care if he is purple and green. Your making a gross insinuation about the Texans fans. By that statement alone you lable us all and that is crap. You're no fan, you just stir the pot.:stirpot: I don't care if you like Carr or who you think should be our QB, the fact is he is our QB whether you like it or not. Be a fan and support your team. Can you criticize? Absolutly, and should when warrented, but complain about the play not the person and certainly not the fans.

Remember this, just because you call people who like Carr "losers" doesn't make you a winner. It only makes you a douche. No icon for douche...

Marcus
12-05-2006, 06:45 PM
You mean like if the Texans drafted VY? Oh wait...opportunity passed.

Sorry to post this negativity, but I'm a bitter man, can't help but get one of these out every so often out of frustration.

Me thinks more than a few people on this thread should seriously consider seeking therapy, until such time when you simply accept that it is what is, accept it for what it is . . . move on.

Accept it for what it is, and move on.

Or else, sell your season tickets, stop being a Texans fan, go root for Bud Adams' Titans, go the Titans message board, announce your unrequited love for Vince, and stay off this message board.

Accept it for what it is, and . . . . MOVE . . . ON!

Thank you for you for your cooperation.

kingh99
12-05-2006, 09:32 PM
So what did Kubiak know about Carr ? He scouted him before the 2002 draft , watched fim , talked to Reeves and Casserly .

Kubiak did not get to look at the Carr in person . He did'nt get a test drive or a chance to check the odometer and we know there's know way he could have seen the dents or bent frame .

That's a great point. If you recall, Kubes and the staff were very positive about Wand and some other guys who a lot of the fans had soured on but had great football bodies and made good early impressions on coaches. In the end, they are who they are and coach came to the correct decision on most even if it might have cost a game or two this year. He was equally enamored with a guy who seems to possess all the physical tools, David Carr. He too, is who he is. Not knowing him personally, and only based on what I see up close in the game, he seems like a guy who either doesn't get it or isn't a dedicated student of the game. Understanding the game plan backwards and forwards is something you see in guys with command. Because they have the basics commited to memory, they spend the game being proactive about recognizing defenses and setting the play. That to me hasn't gotten better as far as showing results on the field with Carr. He's a guy like Aaron Brookes who doesn't make a defensive coordinator stay awake worrying about his field awareness and command of the team.

DenverBorn
12-05-2006, 09:48 PM
Me thinks more than a few people on this thread should seriously consider seeking therapy, until such time when you simply accept that it is what is, accept it for what it is . . . move on.

Accept it for what it is, and move on.

Or else, sell your season tickets, stop being a Texans fan, go root for Bud Adams' Titans, go the Titans message board, announce your unrequited love for Vince, and stay off this message board.

Accept it for what it is, and . . . . MOVE . . . ON!

Thank you for you for your cooperation.

A perfect example of what is wrong with the Texans. A fan who is willing to accept what is happening to this team. Mr. McNair appreciates your money and your support. He knows you'll be there regardless, so why make the team any better? "Accept it for what it is" is about the worst sentiment I have ever read on this message board. I wonder if you accept mediocrity in the rest of your life as well. Not me.

And oh, by the way, thank you once again Mr Justice for saying exactly what I think should be said.

Tulip
12-05-2006, 10:07 PM
I think that McNair won't give up on Carr until it's way too late.

I think it's already way too late.

Double Barrel
12-05-2006, 10:18 PM
You mean like if the Texans drafted VY? Oh wait...opportunity passed.

Sorry to post this negativity, but I'm a bitter man, can't help but get one of these out every so often out of frustration.

It's gonna' be alright, man. Take a deep breath. :shades: spilt milk, right?

A perfect example of what is wrong with the Texans. A fan who is willing to accept what is happening to this team. Mr. McNair appreciates your money and your support. He knows you'll be there regardless, so why make the team any better? "Accept it for what it is" is about the worst sentiment I have ever read on this message board. I wonder if you accept mediocrity in the rest of your life as well. Not me.

yeah, we should blow off our team when they make dumb mistakes and decisions, to further cement the idea that Houston is a FAIRWEATHER FAN city. That's nice, give up on a team and let them move somewhere else. That's the way devoted fans do it, like in Green Bay when they sucked...or not :dontknowa but we can jump on the bandwagon when they start winning!

Sorry, man, but that logic does not compute to a fanatic. You either have the heart for it or you don't.

DenverBorn
12-05-2006, 10:22 PM
It's gonna' be alright, man. Take a deep breath. :shades: spilt milk, right?



yeah, we should blow off our team when they make dumb mistakes and decisions, to further cement the idea that Houston is a FAIRWEATHER FAN city. That's nice, give up on a team and let them move somewhere else. That's the way devoted fans do it, like in Green Bay when they sucked...or not :dontknowa but we can jump on the bandwagon when they start winning!

Sorry, man, but that logic does not compute to a fanatic. You either have the heart for it or you don't.


I guess at work I should get paid a huge bonus whether I produce or not. Would hate to think my employer is a fair weather fan

mexican_texan
12-05-2006, 10:22 PM
Blame the FO all you want, but they weren't the only ones who thought Carr was just in a bad position to succeed. He's had his moments, but I will rejoice when I see the headline..."Smith visits the junkyard, dumps Carr."

...and to think, I used to be a huge David Carr fan.

mexican_texan
12-05-2006, 10:23 PM
We could learn a lot from Browns fans. Best fans in the NFL, despite the quality of the team.

ATX_Texan
12-05-2006, 10:26 PM
A perfect example of what is wrong with the Texans. A fan who is willing to accept what is happening to this team

I have to agree with this one. Good thing for McNair there seems to be a certain group who won't complain and just take whatever is given to them because they are just happy to football again.

I hope that McNair does not turn into one of the owners like Bidwell or Benson who care about nothing but cashing the revenue sharing checks that the NFL sends them.

I wonder if McNair does not care about where the NFL shows the Texans games because his checks from the network are the same regardless of how many or how few people actually watch the games? Of course if the fans in Austin or San Antonio don't like it, they can just pay for the NFL ticket and put more money in the NFL's pocket. It sounds like a can't lose situation for the NFL and owners. Of course, I cannot blame any network for not wanting to show games that nobody cares to see and I cannot blame fans for not wanting to watch the current team. The Texans have decided that Carr and Mario should be exciting enough for the people of Houston.

DenverBorn
12-05-2006, 10:31 PM
We could learn a lot from Browns fans. Best fans in the NFL, despite the quality of the team.

Remind me the last time the Browns played in the Super Bowl --- uhh, oh yeah, I guess they played in the 1964 NFL Championship Game

What incentive does Browns ownership have to make the team better?

Goldeagle
12-05-2006, 10:37 PM
Justcie is just another media pathetic hack who has man love for Vince. They like to mix it up these days so they can get on some lame show on ESPN and give their opinions no one cares about.

Stop whining, VY is great, but he is not a Texan, and wont be, turn the page.

Double Barrel
12-05-2006, 10:49 PM
I guess at work I should get paid a huge bonus whether I produce or not. Would hate to think my employer is a fair weather fan

That's certainly one way to look at it.

Just realize that the Texans want to win, they've just made some mistakes and had some misfortune. We've got a HC in his first year, a heckuva' lot of potential talent, and you're already ready to bail. (Or maybe they didn't pick your player, so you're ready to quit....we've got a lot of those around, too)

You're free to feel however you want, whatever floats your boat. But just understand that this is what defines the difference between fanatic and fairweather fan.

Good thing for McNair there seems to be a certain group who won't complain and just take whatever is given to them because they are just happy to football again.

It's like voting. You can't gripe about the government if you don't even participate in the election process. How can you ***** about a team if don't even support and follow them? Being a fanatic that is devoted to going to games does not put a muzzle on you. You're free to complain about things all you want and still go to the games.

Besides, the team doesn't make all that much from ticket revenues. It mostly comes from concessions, merchandise, and advertisement/tv money. Tailgate and don't buy the gear (so you don't support their main source of incomes), and you can still go to the game and make your voice heard (we sit right above the owner's box and were begging for McNair to fire Capers at last season ;)).

And you will be again when he is playing well. In other words, you are a bandwagon fan.

Maybe a 'bandwagon' Carr fan. You can still root for the team and be upset with individual players.

Goldeagle
12-05-2006, 11:16 PM
I believe that part is still very debatable. 5-4 as a starter is not great in most people's books and not likely to get one an induction into the Hall of Fame. He may become great but at this point he is merely an adequate starter.

Ok, I'll agree to that, but I am a VY fan (not a man love fan like some) and while its true Eli lost the Giants game and the kicker from the Titans won that game, I think he will be a great QB.

I thought Carr would, and if he got people around him aka an O-line earlier on, he would not be releasing the ball or checking down as fast as he does at times.

mexican_texan
12-05-2006, 11:21 PM
And you will be again when he is playing well. In other words, you are a bandwagon fan.
That's something I thought I'd never hear when talking about a Texans fan. One of the things I am not is a bandwagon fan. I've followed this team through thick...and eventually thin. Two of my favorite players are Ruben Droughns and Glenn Earl. Very exclusive bandwagon.

leachmtb
12-06-2006, 12:19 AM
You mean like if the Texans drafted VY? Oh wait...opportunity passed.





Sorry to post this negativity, but I'm a bitter man, can't help but get one of these out every so often out of frustration.

As a former Vanderbilt grad, and Commodore fan, I am super pissed that Houston didn't pick Cutler. Oh, wait, nobody cares. My fault.

If no one cares about not drafting Cutler, then why should we care about not drafting VY? I know that I'm about to get blasted, but it's a legitimate question.