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Imatexanfan
12-03-2006, 07:16 PM
What is the problem with Carr, seriously.

NEGATIVE 5 YARDS PASSING!!!! Thats just embarrasing to me, to him that has to be worse. I know we won but thats just outrageous -5 yards passing..............the whole game!

I gotta know what ya'll think.

gwallaia
12-03-2006, 07:17 PM
Sacks count against the passing yards. Miserable performance by Carr and the offensive line.

da.texans
12-03-2006, 07:19 PM
What is the problem with Carr, seriously.

NEGATIVE 5 YARDS PASSING!!!! Thats just embarrasing to me, to him that has to be worse. I know we won but thats just outrageous -5 yards passing..............the whole game!

I gotta know what ya'll think.

I think the problem is with the OLine, get real man....we have NO protection upfront

Texan Asylum
12-03-2006, 07:19 PM
Pretty much an indicator of our entire offense at this point...going back wards.

aj.
12-03-2006, 07:20 PM
The Texans had a scoring drive of 3 plays, minus 4 yards today. It was one of those days. Think it sux to be us? Try being a Raidah fan right about now.

Yankee_In_TX
12-03-2006, 07:21 PM
The O-Line gave little or no protection, yes.

BUT Carr made a lot of bad moves and decisions as well.

Imatexanfan
12-03-2006, 07:21 PM
I understand clearly but come on ................not even a positive yard passing!?

I never heard or seen a NFL game at negative yardage at passing and actually WINNING, thats ludacris.:marionaner:

hot pickle
12-03-2006, 07:23 PM
carr and the line are both problems, and we have all seen it, carr getting time but he just stands there and then tries to run it up the middle, they both need to by replaced

Imatexanfan
12-03-2006, 07:25 PM
Who do ya'll wanna take Carr's place?:wild:

I really have no options to go to.

TexanSam
12-03-2006, 07:27 PM
Today I think it was more the offensive line's fault and not Carr's. He had no time to throw the ball today and the Raiders do have the #1 pass defense in the NFL. Carr wasn't very good (he had fumbleitis again) but his O-line let him down. But we won! It wasn't pretty, but I'll take the W.

jaayteetx
12-03-2006, 07:29 PM
Matt Schaub, restricted free agent next year. Nough said.

hot pickle
12-03-2006, 07:30 PM
Who do ya'll wanna take Carr's place?:wild:

I really have no options to go to.

we have 3 people that can take his place and play better then him

Owen Daniels
Bradlee Van Pelt
Quinten Porter

TNTitan
12-03-2006, 07:30 PM
is this a record with a win?


See you all next week :)

Double Barrel
12-03-2006, 07:33 PM
-5 yards passing

Even though we won, Kubiak has to be embarrassed as an offensive-minded coach.

The problem is Carr and the o-line. That was pathetic today.

Imatexanfan
12-03-2006, 07:34 PM
is this a record with a win?


See you all next week :)

VY is going to be -5 yards passing next week!!!:marionaner:

edo783
12-03-2006, 07:34 PM
Matt Schaub, restricted free agent next year. Nough said.

And what do you think that will cost when it looks like they will dump Vick? As a RFA they will do the top offer and that will cost 2, count them 2 first round picks AND a boatload of cash. Let Carr play out his string next year with a Rookie QB in training. Reduces the cap hit and might light a fire under Carr. Then in 08 trade Carr and play the new guy.

mexican_texan
12-03-2006, 07:35 PM
is this a record with a win?


See you all next week :)
No, just the first time in 24 years.

Quinton Porter had more passing yards than Carr. If he starts, he'll rock our world.

sleepwalker
12-03-2006, 07:36 PM
Injuries have killed our line....Winston was abused many times....It's the pressure that stopped us from passing.

No offence, but it should be pretty obvious to anyone with a brain what the problem is.

Imatexanfan
12-03-2006, 07:40 PM
exactly

Titan "Tack" Fan
12-03-2006, 07:41 PM
I don't mean any offense to the Texans or it's fans, but how did you guys win today? I'm just now looking at the stat line and I am confused.

fball
12-03-2006, 07:42 PM
Just my opinion but I think Kubiak was pissed at Carr. I noticed after he lost that fumble for a touchdown, he stopped calling passing plays, all they did was run. I bet if Sage wasn't hurt he would have put him in for Carr. So instead of benching him and putting in Van Pelt, he just ran the ball.

TexSon
12-03-2006, 07:43 PM
I don't mean any offense to the Texans or it's fans, but how did you guys win today? I'm just now looking at the stat line and I am confused.

Defense (especially Demeco Ryans) and special teams. Ron Dayne ran hard today too.

TexansLucky13
12-03-2006, 07:44 PM
I think the problem is with the OLine, get real man....we have NO protection upfront

Agreed. I am surprised that the Raiders abused the line so much, considering we have played tougher games and given up much less.

Tulip
12-03-2006, 07:44 PM
I don't mean any offense to the Texans or it's fans, but how did you guys win today? I'm just now looking at the stat line and I am confused.

We won 24-6 in 2002 with 46 total offensive yards. It can be done.

We had one defensive touchdown and an offensive TD that was really a special teams touchdown. And three field goals thanks to our defense.

Our defense was good and Oakland's offense was horrible. Without those two components, we couldn't have won.

Wolf
12-03-2006, 07:46 PM
we outdid Rex Grossman's win is what we did ;)

and I didn't think it could get worse than Rex's stats

6/19 34 yards and 3 ints



got sacked for 10 yards so that gave the team 24 yards passing LOL

dtran04
12-03-2006, 07:46 PM
I don't mean any offense to the Texans or it's fans, but how did you guys win today? I'm just now looking at the stat line and I am confused.

With David Carr's leadership and "it" factor today. The team rose to the occasion b/c of his intangibles.


(I sure hope nobody takes me seriously)

TexanSam
12-03-2006, 07:49 PM
I don't mean any offense to the Texans or it's fans, but how did you guys win today? I'm just now looking at the stat line and I am confused.

The Raiders had 5 turnovers. We returned a fumble for a TD. They missed 3 FGs (from 53, 37, and 29). Jerome Mathis returned a kick for a TD. And Ron Dayne basically put the offense on his back the entire 2nd half and put us in range to kick field goals.

gwallaia
12-03-2006, 07:53 PM
While sitting on my sofa watching the game today, I had more passing yards than Carr. btw, I had 0 passing yards today.

Imatexanfan
12-03-2006, 07:54 PM
we outdid Rex Grossman's win is what we did ;)

and I didn't think it could get worse than Rex's stats

6/19 34 yards and 3 ints



got sacked for 10 yards so that gave the team 24 yards passing LOL

yea but dude Rex had 34 YARDS PASSING Carr had oh wait yea I almost forgot -5!!! No comparison what so ever.:confused:

mexican_texan
12-03-2006, 07:59 PM
yea but dude Rex had 34 YARDS PASSING Carr had oh wait yea I almost forgot -5!!! No comparison what so ever.:confused:
Half as many INTs as completions

gwallaia
12-03-2006, 08:01 PM
The Texans had 46 yards in penalties. Carr passed for 32 yards but was sacked for 37 yards in losses.

Texan Asylum
12-03-2006, 08:02 PM
This was truly one of the saddest wins I've ever experienced.

aj.
12-03-2006, 08:03 PM
To clarify, Carr had 32 yards passing. They lost 37 yards due to sacks hence the -5.

mexican_texan
12-03-2006, 08:03 PM
I loved the win. DE-FENSE!!!

Note: I heard it, I did not watch a single play.

Wolf
12-03-2006, 08:04 PM
yea but dude Rex had 34 YARDS PASSING Carr had oh wait yea I almost forgot -5!!! No comparison what so ever.:confused:



correction Carr had 32 yards passing (sacks count against team)

rex had 34 passing (bears team had 24)

Johnny Utah
12-03-2006, 08:06 PM
To clarify, Carr had 32 yards passing. They lost 37 yards due to sacks hence the -5.

Anyway you look at it, it still sucks.

QB75
12-03-2006, 08:07 PM
we have 3 people that can take his place and play better then him

Owen Daniels
Bradlee Van Pelt
Quinten Porter

If you're going to post then be sensible. So Carr had a bad game, but get real. "Quintin Porter"... yeah sure.

mexican_texan
12-03-2006, 08:09 PM
If you're going to post then be sensible. So Carr had a bad game, but get real. "Quintin Porter"... yeah sure.
How DARE you!?!?!?!

Texan Asylum
12-03-2006, 08:09 PM
If you're going to post then be sensible. So Carr had a bad game, but get real. "Quintin Porter"... yeah sure.
I'd try Quintin at this point.

phantom17
12-03-2006, 08:11 PM
we outdid Rex Grossman's win is what we did ;)

and I didn't think it could get worse than Rex's stats

6/19 34 yards and 3 ints



got sacked for 10 yards so that gave the team 24 yards passing LOL


Now, if only we had the Bears' Defense!:marionaner:

QB75
12-03-2006, 08:11 PM
I'd try Quintin at this point.

I don't doubt for one minute that you would.

Texan Asylum
12-03-2006, 08:12 PM
I don't doubt for one minute that you would.
His stats were better today.

hot pickle
12-03-2006, 08:27 PM
this really scares me though, this week there was a thread of a rumor that AJ was not happy in houston, and i dunno if he cares about stats or if he just wants to win, but i hope we can re-construct his contract with in the next couple years, and lock him in for years to come

TexanFanInCC
12-03-2006, 08:28 PM
I think the problem is with the OLine, get real man....we have NO protection upfront

we have never had protection, and we have tried many personnel. the one constant these five seasons (other than pitts) however has been carr. coincidence?

TexanFanInCC
12-03-2006, 08:30 PM
carr never makes defenses pay for blitzing because he keeps dumping off to tailbacks rather than throw to recievers to loosen up the defense. defenses can keep blitzing until carr can prove that he can make them pay for doing it, which he hasnt done.

QB75
12-03-2006, 08:44 PM
His stats were better today.

Outstanding analysis!

Texan Asylum
12-03-2006, 08:45 PM
Outstanding analysis!
Didn't take me long to put 'em together either. :)

Listen, I'm a Carr fan, but it's hard to not get frustrated when we see the same thing week after week. It's always a pick here and there, a fumble here and there. It's a cycle that continuously repeats itself. Notice that he'll have an up week, and then a down week or two. Sad really, cause Carr's a class act that deserves to succeed.

Mr. White
12-03-2006, 08:47 PM
His stats were better today.

You must spread some Reputation around.....

Imatexanfan
12-03-2006, 08:58 PM
Every QB in football is better then Carr this week. Even QB's that didn't play had more yards then Carr.

I undestand that Carr had what, like 37 yards but got sack to equal to -5 yards passing................thats still unexcusable.


VY is loving it every second DC is screwing up, EVERYTIME!

VY---------->:snobord:

Wolf
12-03-2006, 09:58 PM
According to the Elias Sports Bureau, the Texans were the first team since the Houston Oilers on Oct. 4, 1981, against Cincinnati to finish with negative yards passing and win

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20061203_HOU@OAK

Runner
12-03-2006, 10:18 PM
This was truly one of the saddest wins I've ever experienced.

Well, it's a win. We have 4!

The moral victories crowd had better be writing about "moral losses" now though.

aj.
12-03-2006, 10:21 PM
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20061203_HOU@OAK

Let's see ....1981 would be Biles, the year after Bum left, with either Stabler, Neilsen or Reaves? as the QB.....I don't recall the specific game.

Texanfan4ever
12-03-2006, 10:22 PM
we have 3 people that can take his place and play better then him

Owen Daniels
Bradlee Van Pelt
Quinten Porter

Talk about ludicrous!!!!

nunusguy
12-03-2006, 10:26 PM
This was truly one of the saddest wins I've ever experienced.

Wins by the Texans are so few and far between, I treasure all of them. There
is no such thing as a "sad win" for me. Each and every win is a glorious experience for me.
I usually wake Monday morning dispirited after another Sunday loss. I'll wake up feeling good tomorrow morning, looking forward to the big game in town
next week with the Titans and VY.

QB75
12-03-2006, 10:28 PM
Every QB in football is better then Carr this week. Even QB's that didn't play had more yards then Carr.

I undestand that Carr had what, like 37 yards but got sack to equal to -5 yards passing................thats still unexcusable.


VY is loving it every second DC is screwing up, EVERYTIME!

VY---------->:snobord:

Probably right. Carr still gets to play in his hometown. Awesome.

Wolf
12-03-2006, 10:29 PM
Let's see ....1981 would be Biles, the year after Bum left, with either Stabler, Neilsen or Reaves? as the QB.....I don't recall the specific game.

all I can find is it was a 17-10 win..but no game stats

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/results.nsf/Teams/1981-hou

Koolaid Time
12-03-2006, 10:40 PM
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20061203_HOU@OAK

BREAKING NEWS: Houston Texans Coach Gary Kubiak announced late Sunday night that he will start Hannah Montana at Quarterback next week in the Texans contest against the Tennesse Titans at Reliant Stadium.

Montana, age 16, is NO relation to NFL Hall of Famer Joe Montana, and is a female pop singer on the Disney Channel. When asked why he was starting a teeny-bopper "pop tart" at quarterback against the Titans, Kubiak responded:

"After David's negative 5 yards in passing offense today, Mr. McNair told me to do something to improve the team."
:gun:

Wolf
12-03-2006, 10:43 PM
OAKLAND, Calif. (Dec. 3, 2006) -- David Carr completed 22 straight passes two weeks ago and didn't win.

So he doesn't feel bad about getting one on a day he didn't complete a single pass in the second half and his team finished the game with negative yards passing.

It wasn't a pretty day for David Carr, but he led the Texans to a rare road win.

"It's the weirdest feeling I've ever had in a football game," Carr said.

The Texans became the first team in 25 years to win a game with negative yards passing, using Demarcus Faggins ' 58-yard fumble return for a touchdown, two long returns on special teams and a pair of fumbles by Randal Williams to beat the Oakland Raiders 23-14.


from the link

QB75
12-03-2006, 10:58 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Houston Texans Coach Gary Kubiak announced late Sunday night that he will start Hannah Montana at Quarterback next week in the Texans contest against the Tennesse Titans at Reliant Stadium.

Montana, age 16, is NO relation to NFL Hall of Famer Joe Montana, and is a female pop singer on the Disney Channel. When asked why he was starting a teeny-bopper "pop tart" at quarterback against the Titans, Kubiak responded:

"After David's negative 5 yards in passing offense today, Mr. McNair told me to do something to improve the team."
:gun:

How original.

utahmark
12-03-2006, 10:59 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Houston Texans Coach Gary Kubiak announced late Sunday night that he will start Hannah Montana at Quarterback next week in the Texans contest against the Tennesse Titans at Reliant Stadium.

Montana, age 16, is NO relation to NFL Hall of Famer Joe Montana, and is a female pop singer on the Disney Channel. When asked why he was starting a teeny-bopper "pop tart" at quarterback against the Titans, Kubiak responded:

"After David's negative 5 yards in passing offense today, Mr. McNair told me to do something to improve the team."
:gun:

link please

mexican_texan
12-03-2006, 11:03 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Houston Texans Coach Gary Kubiak announced late Sunday night that he will start Hannah Montana at Quarterback next week in the Texans contest against the Tennesse Titans at Reliant Stadium.

Montana, age 16, is NO relation to NFL Hall of Famer Joe Montana, and is a female pop singer on the Disney Channel. When asked why he was starting a teeny-bopper "pop tart" at quarterback against the Titans, Kubiak responded:

"After David's negative 5 yards in passing offense today, Mr. McNair told me to do something to improve the team."
:gun:
Dude, you know Hannah Montana? Why?

Koolaid Time
12-03-2006, 11:05 PM
Dude, you know Hannah Montana? Why?


Because my 11 yr old daughter wants to be "HER"....

Hannah is just another Disney marketing conspiracy...

Imatexanfan
12-04-2006, 06:53 PM
Coach Kubes said that he had no intention getting DC out of the game because of his ridiculous way he was playing (once again), since we was winning the game.

Which I understand that clearly, but what if we lost just think about that and DC getting -5 yards passing. He'd have a whole new way of saying what he said on 610 if we lost. I still can't believe he did not throw in positive numbers, the Raiders secondary is really not that good IMO.:spy:

Another words this week is DC's week to shine or else, I've always been a DC fan but after that game I just couldn't believe we won. DRyans ur the man!!:dance3:

Wolf
12-04-2006, 06:54 PM
we did throw in positve numbers, it is the sacks that counted against the TEAM passing yards

Imatexanfan
12-04-2006, 06:57 PM
we did throw in positve numbers, it is the sacks that counted against the TEAM passing yards

I understand that but it still stands in the negative as for DC and that to me is obsurd

Meisterman
12-04-2006, 07:57 PM
With the weekly jailbreak rush...I am starting to think the offensive line doesn't like Carr either. :spy:

texaslifter
12-04-2006, 08:02 PM
I still can't believe he did not throw in positive numbers, the Raiders secondary is really not that good IMO.

Well you should take the time to update your opinion then. Their secondary is carrying them to #7 in total defense. And thats in a conference where they play San Diego, KC, and Denver twice a year.

the wonger need food
12-04-2006, 08:06 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Houston Texans Coach Gary Kubiak announced late Sunday night that he will start Hannah Montana at Quarterback next week in the Texans contest against the Tennesse Titans at Reliant Stadium.

Montana, age 16, is NO relation to NFL Hall of Famer Joe Montana, and is a female pop singer on the Disney Channel. When asked why he was starting a teeny-bopper "pop tart" at quarterback against the Titans, Kubiak responded:

"After David's negative 5 yards in passing offense today, Mr. McNair told me to do something to improve the team."
:gun:


In related news, Gary Kubiak announced Monday that the team has signed Holley Mangold (sister of rookie Jets Center Nick Mangold) and plans to start her at right tackle this week against Tennessee.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/10/29/sports/29mangold.1.600.jpg

swoldier
12-04-2006, 08:10 PM
While sitting on my sofa watching the game today, I had more passing yards than Carr. btw, I had 0 passing yards today.


Haha, me too maybe we should try out for the team. Hell we both did better than David Carr today. I did better and i was drunk half the game it really puts it into perpective of how outstandingly horrible our OL and QB really are. :gun: :gun: :gun: :gun:

Imatexanfan
12-05-2006, 08:04 PM
On top of that people are saying that VY is going to win ROY award with no problem, betcha DC feels really bad if he doesn't get a W this week.

Sucks to be him at this moment. :phone:

He has to be more comfortable in the pocket.................look if you see a lane just run no harm in it. Just don't turn the ball over trying to connect to a 3-5yard pass.

David Carr you still have ALOT to learn.:brickwall

hollywood_texan
12-05-2006, 08:07 PM
Because my 11 yr old daughter wants to be "HER"....

Hannah is just another Disney marketing conspiracy...

They film on our lot.

Just saw Billie Ray this afternoon. He has a barbed wire tatoo or something on his left arm.

The show is pretty hot right now.

cowboy62
12-05-2006, 09:05 PM
:dance3: :bananasplit: yall sux,yall sux!!!

BigWig
12-06-2006, 09:22 AM
Y'all are killing me this is gr8, next your gonna tell me that we are gonna have fleet footed squirrel from ICE Age catching passes too, wait there werent any thrown in the second half, NO COMPLETIONS, man thats worse than grade school.

real
12-06-2006, 09:35 AM
http://images.chron.com/content/news/photos/06/11/27/carr1.jpg

kingh99
12-06-2006, 09:39 AM
With the weekly jailbreak rush...I am starting to think the offensive line doesn't like Carr either. :spy:

You catch on. Why do you think McKinney is somewhere is the 4th ring of hell? I am speculating of course but it would not be nice for your leader(less) to be gripping all the time and making you look like suck.

Imatexanfan
12-06-2006, 07:06 PM
DC will make it a make or break this weekend and IMO he'll prevail with his running ability, and he will out rush VY this game to beat the Titans.

As for the defense VY said that he'll not make any mistakes because of the way our defense has created turnovers in last game. You know he's studying hard against our very own DRyans pro bowl linebacker!!! Watch out Vince!!:mario3: