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IshouldbeGM
12-03-2006, 05:33 PM
You've got to be kidding me....its like as soon as the ball is snapped there are 2 or 3 defenders in the backfield. I know many of you want adrian peterson as the next yr #1 pick, but we have to go with joe thomas lt from wisconsin. If we're going to win this offense has to put points on the board, but how they can do that without an offensive line? they cant pass block, they cant run block. Say what you want about injuries, but every team has that! There is no excuse, mckinney, flannagan, wiegert, pitts, see ya!! all of them are not even in the top halves of their positions....its time to upgrade!

Goldeagle
12-03-2006, 05:36 PM
Its bad.....REAL BAD. Years of Casserly hurts.

Napa Auto Parts
12-03-2006, 05:36 PM
yes damn offensive line has fumblelitis:ski:

sleepwalker
12-03-2006, 05:37 PM
Carr sacked 4 of the last 6 plays of the half.

Goldeagle
12-03-2006, 05:38 PM
Carr sacked 4 of the last 6 plays of the half.


JEBUS!

austintexanite
12-03-2006, 05:39 PM
lines fault or carr just messin up?? not showin the game here and can't find a stream

Napa Auto Parts
12-03-2006, 05:40 PM
Both car has two fumbles in the last three possesions

Goldeagle
12-03-2006, 05:40 PM
lines fault or carr just messin up?? not showin the game here and can't find a stream

Bad play from the whole offense.

Runner
12-03-2006, 05:41 PM
Its bad.....REAL BAD. Years of Casserly hurts.

This coaching staff had time to rebuild the line more than they did.

They chose to keep three players - Wiegert, McKinney, and Pitts who have played most of the offensive snaps since this team's inception. They chose to keep two rookies and only 9 o-linemen total on the first day roster. They then chose not to bring in a left tackle whn Spencer went down the second game of the season and instead relied on a swing player projected as a back-up. They picked up a guard/tackle as a back-uo

Kubiak and his coaches did a poor job evaluating, acquiring, and applying talent on the o-line.

austintexanite
12-03-2006, 05:43 PM
This coaching staff had time to rebuild the line more than they did.

They chose to keep three players - Wiegert, McKinney, and Pitts who have played most of the offensive snaps since this team's inception. They chose to keep two rookies and only 9 o-linemen total on the first day roster. They then chose not to bring in a left tackle whn Spencer went down the second game of the season and instead relied on a swing player projected as a back-up. They picked up a guard/tackle as a back-uo

Kubiak and his coaches did a poor job evaluating, acquiring, and applying talent on the o-line.

great post

Goldeagle
12-03-2006, 05:44 PM
This coaching staff had time to rebuild the line more than they did.

They chose to keep three players - Wiegert, McKinney, and Pitts who have played most of the offensive snaps since this team's inception. They chose to keep two rookies and only 9 o-linemen total on the first day roster. They then chose not to bring in a left tackle whn Spencer went down the second game of the season and instead relied on a swing player projected as a back-up. They picked up a guard/tackle as a back-uo

Kubiak and his coaches did a poor job evaluating, acquiring, and applying talent on the o-line.


I agree, I think the pick of Spencer who WAS playing well before he got injured was a good pick, and WInston, though I was not high on him had a lot of potential.

Stampede
12-03-2006, 05:44 PM
Pitiful, absolutely pitiful.

Runner
12-03-2006, 06:08 PM
I posted this in the game thread, but it belongs here.


We need to develop the young o-line talent we have rather than throw them on the scrap heap every year. Even at right tackle Winston looks every bit as bad today as Wand's worst day in 2004. Should we label him a bust and scrap him?

Draft a couple more and stick with the youngsters. Don't rely on Wiegert, Flanagan, and Salaam types any more - that just slows team o-line development and they aren't very good either.

wolfscar
12-03-2006, 06:33 PM
I posted this in the game thread, but it belongs here.


We need to develop the young o-line talent we have rather than throw them on the scrap heap every year. Even at right tackle Winston looks every bit as bad today as Wand's worst day in 2004. Should we label him a bust and scrap him?

Draft a couple more and stick with the youngsters. Don't rely on Wiegert, Flanagan, and Salaam types any more - that just slows team o-line development and they aren't very good either.

Right behind ya. And more than just getting game time and improving over time it would mean they could develop as a unit. If we keep chopping and changing waiting for something to magically slot into place we're screwed. A good O-Line is a consistent O-Line - one that lines up the same week on week. Have we had the same line any two weeks in a row this year?

This is the worst O-Line I've ever seen, but Winston has shown flashes, as has Pitts and Spencer looked promising till Dayne fell on him. We should keep those three, pick up some talent in FA (Max Starks would be good) or the draft and find a rock solid Center to anchor the whole line around. Someone long term.

Back to your main point though - yes, absolutely, it's time to clean house. Keep what's promising, ditch the rest and stop just trying to patch up what's there. You can't patch up garbage, or you just end up with patched up garbage. What use is that?

eriadoc
12-03-2006, 07:44 PM
The O-line performed terribly today. That doesn't excuse poor play by other members of the offense, but the reality of NFL football is that games are won and lost at the line of scrimmage. Fortunately for us today, we ran into a team whose O-line was just as bad (worse? Yikes). Our defensive line played well, as did theirs. So, in an offset of that nature, turnovers (and bad kickers) decided the game. Most times we are starting off so far behind the curve in a game because of our O-line. It's nice to face off against some even competition.

edo783
12-03-2006, 07:49 PM
I don't understand why more people can't get it. The root cause for most and maybe all of our offensive problems stems from a lousy line and injuries have made it into a horrible line. IMO, people would be astounded at how well this team would play if the line were of even average NFL quality.

dalemurphy
12-03-2006, 07:50 PM
Look, OL was very weak going into this offseason. So, we went out and got Flanagan to play center and make the calls for the line. We drafted Spencer and he won the left tackle job and we moved Weigert to RT and drafted Winston in the 3rd round.

Spencer, Flanagan, Weigert were all playing pretty well and are all lost for the season: that's LT, C, RT- all gone. That's why the line is in the state it's in now. Depth will be better next year and we probably won't have as many injuries either.

It's hard to watch but it's understandable.

Runner
12-03-2006, 07:56 PM
I'm not using the bad o-line as an excuse for everyone. I think our QB has proven he is lacking in some areas and our coaches selections for running backs are as bad as their decisions on the o-line, IMO.

I just want to point out that the coaching decisions did not help us as we built our o-line and therefore contribute to our lack of depth.

Mr teX
12-03-2006, 08:00 PM
Bad play from the whole offense.

cosign!

Goldeagle
12-03-2006, 08:05 PM
Winston had hype and got embarassed at the Senior Bowl. he has been embarassed in 2 games now, but you hope its a learning Experience.

Flannigan was a HORRIBLE sign, the guy has now missed games in the last 3 seasons.


im with RUNNER, Im ready for a young O-line because McKinney and Weigert are absolutly HORRIBLE, and Winston needs another year and a lot of HELP to get things right.

1st pick, an OT and take a couple of Guards in the 3-4 rounds

texflex513
12-03-2006, 08:46 PM
Yes i think this is the worst line in history, but as i always say the entire O gets the blame for this... dayne was the only bright spot. This was his best game in a long time.

RTP2110
12-03-2006, 08:49 PM
No more drafting and grooming lineman. Texans need to go out and get the best O lineman an the FA market. Dont care who he is, what postion, or how much, just sign him.

Goldeagle
12-03-2006, 08:57 PM
kinda hard to block 7 guys with 5 linemen, when you blitz every play it makes it hard to block. No defense respects Carr, they know that all you have to do is blitz and play man tight, Carr will choke 99% of the time.

Burrgess, was a Defensive End and teed off on Carr all day because he was WAY to much for Winston.

And the O-line needs to pick up blitzes, make the right reads.

FanFromCali
12-03-2006, 09:01 PM
kinda hard to block 7 guys with 5 linemen, when you blitz every play it makes it hard to block. No defense respects Carr, they know that all you have to do is blitz and play man tight, Carr will choke 99% of the time.

Once again it is Carrs fault the O-line sucks. You guys kill me. Has anyone on this board ever played QB? I have and trust me, defenders in your face on every single pass play does not lead to good things. (However, Carr needs to tuck the ball better when he gets hit. The fumbles I can't defend.)

You don't even know the half of it. I was at this game and a couple of time after a Def. blew past the line the Texans lineman just turned around and watched Carr run for his life without even helping. This line is beyond bad.

1st round O-line
2nd round DB

eriadoc
12-03-2006, 09:26 PM
No more drafting and grooming lineman. Texans need to go out and get the best O lineman an the FA market. Dont care who he is, what postion, or how much, just sign him.

They did that a few years ago. His name was Todd Wade. There typically aren't many top tackles available via FA. Guards come along only slightly more often and cost a lot. LeCharles Bentley and Steve Hutchinson got paid big bucks this off-season. Still, it wouldn't have hurt my feelings to grab either. We would still have had Wiegert and then Winston, along with Salaam, at tackles, however.

Koolaid Time
12-03-2006, 09:31 PM
If you can't see that our line is not only a problem , but the problem, then there is no reason for me to continue this discussion.

This is almost a chicken-egg argument....

Yes, the Texan line is equivalent to warm gooey swiss cheese.. lots of holes with just a little to slow a defense down...

Next week expect the Tacks to feed the Texans VERY "offensive" line a steady diet of blitzes and stunts.. lots of shooting the gaps, anytime the Texans come out in a passing formation and on ANY 3rd down and >4 yards.

Until the offensive line improves, Carr will be inept at best and a 100% bona fide sitting duck.

Maybe we can pickup a good free agent, but at this rate, we will surely get one in the draft :marionaner:

Runner
12-03-2006, 11:22 PM
It is possible for both Carr and the o-line too both play poorly. It doesn't have to be either Carr or the line. It's both. We've seen the Carr play bad when the line held up their end; we've seen him play bad when the line is like today. The line and QB position both need something.

Ibar_Harry
12-03-2006, 11:25 PM
This is almost a chicken-egg argument....

Yes, the Texan line is equivalent to warm gooey swiss cheese.. lots of holes with just a little to slow a defense down...

Next week expect the Tacks to feed the Texans VERY "offensive" line a steady diet of blitzes and stunts.. lots of shooting the gaps, anytime the Texans come out in a passing formation and on ANY 3rd down and >4 yards.

Until the offensive line improves, Carr will be inept at best and a 100% bona fide sitting duck.

Maybe we can pickup a good free agent, but at this rate, we will surely get one in the draft :marionaner:

The Titans made certain we didn't have somebody to replace our LT. They signed Wand and I bet old BUD was laughing all the way to the bank. I don't really think he cares how good or bad Wand was. It was his way of getting back at the Texans.

Runner
12-04-2006, 12:17 AM
The Titans made certain we didn't have somebody to replace our LT. They signed Wand and I bet old BUD was laughing all the way to the bank. I don't really think he cares how good or bad Wand was. It was his way of getting back at the Texans.

I doubt Bud had anything to do with it. I think Fisher/Munchak went with the best LT avaliable. After Spencer went down the Texans went with best (?) multi-position lineman avaliable. By the time Wiegert went down and the Texans wanted Wand again, it was too late.

Napa Auto Parts
12-04-2006, 12:34 AM
Just heard Kubiak say you need to protect the ball doesnt matter how bad the protection is you as a football need to protect the ball or something to that effect thats funny i hope bob mcnair dont rip him a new one for those statement to the media.:francis:

Goldeagle
12-04-2006, 01:01 AM
You would just blame them for Carr not doing so well. People like you just make me sick. If we had the Colts offense and Carr still managed to dink dunk his plays. You would still blame the offense or coaching abilities.



Yeah right. Like you blame Carr for dropped passes, pathetic play calling and bad O-line play.

stop :crying: about having #8 back there, the Carr haters are getting really pathetic.

And you will be the one screaming when we trade him and he goes off to win with a decent team lol.

LOL, I make you sick, its an internet message board, go get a life lol

DontTreadOnMe
12-04-2006, 01:11 AM
give kubes a couple of drafts to address the o-line... i am sure we were planning on using our 2nd round pick last draft on an o-lineman, but demeco was still around and he was simply too good to pass up.. i would like to see us trade a 2nd rounder for extra draft picks to pick up more offensive and defensive linemen... i am pleased with kubiak's progress... he needs another draft or two to make this team, HIS team...

Texans Horror
12-04-2006, 09:31 AM
I know the line looks bad, but the line has looked bad all year. The difference is that through the first half of the season, Carr was able to avoid a lot of sacks, which he just hasn't done in the last few games. (And those games were with our starting line!)

We have some good players here. Our line does not need a complete overhaul. With Spencer back next year, we have a LT. (I don't believe in his abilities, personally, but that's beside the point - we have the LT.) We have a right tackle, too. Let's not throw him under the bus because he had a bad game. They threw him to the wolves, metaphorically, because Burgess lined up with him. I remember Wand was lined up against Freeney his first year on the line, and Freeney did a number on him, too. Immediately following, fans started calling for Wand's dismissal. I hope we don't call for Winston's, too. He is a great rookie, and will make a great lineman in the coming years. We just need to give him time.

The Center position still seems beleagured. If there is one area where we need to improve, this is it. I think this means taking a center in the second or third round next year.

The line played horrible football yesterday, but let's not send a young squad to the execution line yet.

Edit to Add: Oh, and as far as being the worst line ever, I don't know. We'd have to compare this line to other Texans lines...