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ib4texans
11-30-2006, 01:03 AM
(on QB David Carr) “I think he’s a good quarterback. I think the one thing that you have to give a quarterback is enough weapons aligned to where his leadership ability and his skill will allow everybody to excel. I think with the draft and everything, I think Carr would have liked to have a running back in his back so they can get some mismatches going on. But they’ve got a good player in Mario Williams and they made that decision. Carr is an excellent quarterback, make no mistake about that. You don’t have a leading receiver in the game without a good guy throwing it at him.”


Warren Sapps impression of David Carr,does he have the pulse of our organization ? Is this a cookie cutter response ?

bah007
11-30-2006, 01:06 AM
(on QB David Carr) “I think he’s a good quarterback. I think the one thing that you have to give a quarterback is enough weapons aligned to where his leadership ability and his skill will allow everybody to excel. I think with the draft and everything, I think Carr would have liked to have a running back in his back so they can get some mismatches going on. But they’ve got a good player in Mario Williams and they made that decision. Carr is an excellent quarterback, make no mistake about that. You don’t have a leading receiver in the game without a good guy throwing it at him.”


Warren Sapps impression of David Carr,does he have the pulse of our organization ? Is this a cookie cutter response ?

Warren Sapp has never been the type to say anything other than what he really thinks. He doesnt beat around the bush about anything.

Mattheus_Rex
11-30-2006, 01:07 AM
(on QB David Carr) “I think he’s a good quarterback. I think the one thing that you have to give a quarterback is enough weapons aligned to where his leadership ability and his skill will allow everybody to excel. I think with the draft and everything, I think Carr would have liked to have a running back in his back so they can get some mismatches going on. But they’ve got a good player in Mario Williams and they made that decision. Carr is an excellent quarterback, make no mistake about that. You don’t have a leading receiver in the game without a good guy throwing it at him.”


Warren Sapps impression of David Carr,does he have the pulse of our organization ? Is this a cookie cutter response ?

Almost all player quotes about anything are cookie cutter. There are a few exceptions, and they get a lot of air time on sportscenter.

run-david-run
11-30-2006, 03:26 AM
Almost all player quotes about anything are cookie cutter. There are a few exceptions, and they get a lot of air time on sportscenter.

If it dosnt involve Reggie Bush or the draft in general, nothing about the Texans gets any time on sportscenter.

Mattheus_Rex
11-30-2006, 03:55 AM
If it dosnt involve Reggie Bush or the draft in general, nothing about the Texans gets any time on sportscenter.

Yeah, the Oilers get more airtime. lol

Hulk75
11-30-2006, 10:09 AM
You mean Warren Sapp and the Fans dont agree. He is a good QB, as soon as we become a more dominant team in the run game you will see it, I am not talking about falling backwards into 100 yards every now and again, I mean really running the football like this system needs.

One major reason Jake Plummer had a Pro Bowl season last year was because they had 2 1,000 yard backs, this Offense is based off the run.

Vinny
11-30-2006, 11:47 AM
When this team was middle of the pack running the football with Dom Davis the passing game was identical. Dink and Dunk, zone in one your primary and dump to Dom Davis. Now that this team struggles to run the ball we use that as the reason we can't make plays in the passing game. Seems a bit ironic.

aj.
11-30-2006, 11:50 AM
I don't know how many times I've heard Kubiak talk about trying to slow down our QBs eyes and feet. Not sure what there's not to get... If Sapp's comments came from the weekly conf. call, there's nothing other than canned spam coming from those....

Specnatz
11-30-2006, 11:51 AM
This is probably the only time in Warren Sapps history that "lip service" and his name has ever been used in the same sentence. But haters will think what they want and belive only what they think, truth be damn

the wonger need food
11-30-2006, 11:54 AM
I don't believe there's a defensive player in the league that fears David Carr on any level.

This is the same lip service we hear every week, about every QB, from every defensive player that is going to face them.

thunderkyss
11-30-2006, 11:56 AM
I've never heard any player say anything negative about another teams players the week before the game.......


YOu might have Chad Johnson saying, "they can't stop Ocho Cinco"

or Ray Lewis saying, "we're ready" in regards to Reggie Bush, but you won't hear many guys slamming the players on another team.

Not even T.O. he only slammed the guys on his own team.

Honoring Earl 34
11-30-2006, 12:24 PM
I would think all defenders like Carr .

kcwilson
11-30-2006, 12:30 PM
I think there is a player loyalty of sorts that in most cases, you don't disrespect another player's ability since it does take ability to even make the roster (Corey Bradford excluded). So you will never get the "oh, he is terrible" response that he might really be thinking.

I have never seen an interview where the athlete really says something compelling about the personnel on the other team. They have to show some respect, so I say it is more lipservice... there are always exceptions to the rule, so I acknowledge that, butI think this is an easy 90-10 rule.

Hulk75
11-30-2006, 12:46 PM
When this team was middle of the pack running the football with Dom Davis the passing game was identical. Dink and Dunk, zone in one your primary and dump to Dom Davis. Now that this team struggles to run the ball we use that as the reason we can't make plays in the passing game. Seems a bit ironic.

Both Passing games are not even close, sure they are both "passing games" but totally different.
Both are the same kind though , they both rely on the run, A Lot.

When we had the run going with Doms squad the WRs STANK! Remember the roll coverage to Dre every week, 2 man routes and 3 TEs in the game.

Now the running game stinks, stinks is being nice, and we have the players in the passing game, running "consistanly" is what is hurting this team...........I thought you would know that.

Reason all you want, they are called FACTS.

ib4texans
11-30-2006, 01:13 PM
I think there is a player loyalty of sorts that in most cases, you don't disrespect another player's ability since it does take ability to even make the roster (Corey Bradford excluded). So you will never get the "oh, he is terrible" response that he might really be thinking.

I[QUOTE=thunderkyss;516080]I've never heard any player say anything negative about another teams players the week before the game.......



Not even T.O. he only slammed the guys on his own team.


Yeah the reason I started the thread was to point out the disparity between the respect that other players give and some of the "fans" of the Texans.

Then you see that some of the fans take the T.O. approach,constantly slamming guys on his own team.

I don't say this as a Homer the guy makes mistakes, if your arguement is that your a fan of the Texans and not Carr. Then show some respect for the team by not disrespecting one of the key players. I don't think you can be a fan of AJ, Demeco and Mario and turn around and slamm Carr, Faggins, Lundy etc.

trublu
11-30-2006, 01:35 PM
I've never heard any player say anything negative about another teams players the week before the game.......


YOu might have Chad Johnson saying, "they can't stop Ocho Cinco"

or Ray Lewis saying, "we're ready" in regards to Reggie Bush, but you won't hear many guys slamming the players on another team.

Not even T.O. he only slammed the guys on his own team.

Plaxico Burress slammed T.O. and the entire chicago secondary; saying they only intercept balls that are thrown right in their hands. :twocents:

real
11-30-2006, 01:46 PM
I don't think you can be a fan of AJ, Demeco and Mario and turn around and slamm Carr, Faggins, Lundy etc.

This is not little leauge, where you root for all the kids, and are just happy to go out and watch them compete...

If you are a fan of the TEAM, how can you not slamm guys that aren't doing enough ?

ib4texans
11-30-2006, 01:59 PM
This is not little leauge, where you root for all the kids, and are just happy to go out and watch them compete...

If you are a fan of the TEAM, how can you not slamm guys that aren't doing enough ?

I didn't like all the kids that I played with, I just knew better than to trash them. I can't debate you on what is enough. Has our defense done enough? Nope! Have they improved hell yeah! Demeco is a flat Stud, has he done enough for us to win games? Dunte is awesome, has he done enough? The point is individually there are players that have done enough. The problem is when the W doesn't come it is the fault of David Carr, his interceptions are down as well as fumbles. His yardage and completions are up! Individuals don't win the game or lose the game. If we beat the Raiders on Sunday I wouldn't come to this board and say David Carr won that football game for us.
I would say that the team finally executed the way that they should and got a damn win!

Mr teX
11-30-2006, 02:25 PM
(on QB David Carr) “I think he’s a good quarterback. I think the one thing that you have to give a quarterback is enough weapons aligned to where his leadership ability and his skill will allow everybody to excel. I think with the draft and everything, I think Carr would have liked to have a running back in his back so they can get some mismatches going on. But they’ve got a good player in Mario Williams and they made that decision. Carr is an excellent quarterback, make no mistake about that. You don’t have a leading receiver in the game without a good guy throwing it at him.”


Warren Sapps impression of David Carr,does he have the pulse of our organization ? Is this a cookie cutter response ?

It's somewhat lipservice, but its also the truth. Like some have said, you won't here any player talking bad about another player the week before a game against one another; there's a mutual respect there for just being able to make it on that level.

With all that said, ALL players know that you need playmakers on both sides of the ball to be successful in this league especially the QB. Sapp is just merely pointing out that there has been a lack of the aforementioned on the offensive side of the bal DC's entire career.

ib4texans
11-30-2006, 02:39 PM
(on QB David Carr) “I think he’s a good quarterback. I think the one thing that you have to give a quarterback is enough weapons aligned to where his leadership ability and his skill will allow everybody to excel. I think with the draft and everything, I think Carr would have liked to have a running back in his back so they can get some mismatches going on. But they’ve got a good player in Mario Williams and they made that decision. Carr is an excellent quarterback, make no mistake about that. You don’t have a leading receiver in the game without a good guy throwing it at him.”

Warren Sapps impression of David Carr,does he have the pulse of our organization ? Is this a cookie cutter response ?

He didn't have to add this part, he could have left it as stated in the earlier part of the quote. Maybe he has a geniune respect for a guy that has been sacked on average 50+ times in his first four years. I have said, I'm not a Homer. I just know that someone who knows the game like Sapp has more insight than I.

real
11-30-2006, 02:53 PM
The problem is when the W doesn't come it is the fault of David Carr, his interceptions are down as well as fumbles. His yardage and completions are up!

Despite how misleading some of Carr's stats may be....IMO, he is having a below average year....I'd be o.k if Carr played consistently mediocre...But he doesn't...He plays mediocre at times...and poor at other times...



Individuals don't win the game or lose the game.


This has been stated a lot...

And while I agree to a certain extent, I also disagree to a certain extent....

While it is a team game, and no one can pass to themselves or spring themselves with a lead block...there are some players that do more for the team....

Saying that individual players don't win or lose games, would be like saying having talented individuals doesn't matter because it's a team game and an individual can't decide the outcome....Or it's like saying Troy Evans had as much to do with the loss as David Carr....

Some players have more to do with the outcome of games than others...

real
11-30-2006, 03:00 PM
I just know that someone who knows the game like Sapp has more insight than I.

I chuckle everytime I hear this argument....

You act as if people who are close to the game know more about player and talent evaluation than anyone else....

If that were the case there'd be no bust.....

Warren Sapp is no more a talent evaluator than I am....

I don't know about you, but I don't put much stock into others evalutaion of players.....Because Warren says so isn't good enough for me....

ib4texans
11-30-2006, 03:17 PM
I chuckle everytime I hear this argument....

You act as if people who are close to the game know more about player and talent evaluation than anyone else....

If that were the case there'd be no bust.....

Warren Sapp is no more a talent evaluator than I am....

I don't know about you, but much stock intoI don't put others evalutaion of players.....Because Warren says so isn't good enough for me....

We've actually agreed on many things, individuals that play well (DeMeco,Dunte,Mario,Carr etc.. )are an asset. I'm sure my evaluations won't trouble you one bit. Just because Warren say's it doesn't make it true I agree. The result I was pointing out is that he may have a genuine respect for somebody at the position. I would think that as a defensive lineman he has some knowledge of the ability and skill sets of a person that plays QB.

I think that he has shown class and leadership on a team that has been facing there own problems. I would rather see a veteran set an example as he has,than Mike Vick's or the NY Giants IMO.


P.S. I know you didn't call Carr an asset.

wolfscar
11-30-2006, 04:16 PM
It's inevitable, I suppose, because we're losing and the first scapegoat anybody goes to is either (a) the quarterback or (b) the guy who was scapegoat last time something didn't go right. In our case, Carr fits fairly neatly into both categories and hence, sure enough, he gets slated when the Texans don't blaze a trail through the rest of the NFL, leaving only charred remains in their wake (which is, of course, what we'll do next season).

Thing is - as exemplified by Warren Sapp here - we seem to be the ONLY people slating him this year. He's been solid. All year (... except for that one game of course). No, he's not setting the footballing world alight, but this week he threw for over 300 yards against a good pass D with one pick and one TD, and would have got a whole lot more if it weren't for some really bad drops from his receivers. Add to that the fact that he's stopped fumbling the ball to the opposition every week - thank God. That sounds like progress to me.

The thing is, Kubiak is moving this team in baby steps - something he's been quite explicit about - and that means dink and dump passing, running up the middle, simple plays, simple ambitions. What that needs is a QB who consistently makes completions and does what he's asked without pressing the self destruct button. It's not pretty, but it's a step towards something - and that's more than we've had in previous seasons.

I'm pleased with Carr this year. I wasn't sure about him coming into the season but now I am. I didn't think he'd be coachable after all this time with the suckfest that was Capers and co, but it looks like he's not only capable of being coached, but he's eager for it. Warren Sapp and everybody else outside of the Texans fan base (or about half of it, anyway), sees something good happening at the center of the Texans offense - I, for one, agree with them. I just don't think we're going to really see what it can turn into till next year.

ib4texans
11-30-2006, 04:22 PM
It's inevitable, I suppose, because we're losing and the first scapegoat anybody goes to is either (a) the quarterback or (b) the guy who was scapegoat last time something didn't go right. In our case, Carr fits fairly neatly into both categories and hence, sure enough, he gets slated when the Texans don't blaze a trail through the rest of the NFL, leaving only charred remains in their wake (which is, of course, what we'll do next season).

Thing is - as exemplified by Warren Sapp here - we seem to be the ONLY people slating him this year. He's been solid. All year (... except for that one game of course). No, he's not setting the footballing world alight, but this week he threw for over 300 yards against a good pass D with one pick and one TD, and would have got a whole lot more if it weren't for some really bad drops from his receivers. Add to that the fact that he's stopped fumbling the ball to the opposition every week - thank God. That sounds like progress to me.

The thing is, Kubiak is moving this team in baby steps - something he's been quite explicit about - and that means dink and dump passing, running up the middle, simple plays, simple ambitions. What that needs is a QB who consistently makes completions and does what he's asked without pressing the self destruct button. It's not pretty, but it's a step towards something - and that's more than we've had in previous seasons.

I'm pleased with Carr this year. I wasn't sure about him coming into the season but now I am. I didn't think he'd be coachable after all this time with the suckfest that was Capers and co, but it looks like he's not only capable of being coached, but he's eager for it. Warren Sapp and everybody else outside of the Texans fan base (or about half of it, anyway), sees something good happening at the center of the Texans offense - I, for one, agree with them. I just don't think we're going to really see what it can turn into till next year.


Thank You! Thank You! The exact point of the thread.

JDizzle
11-30-2006, 04:49 PM
Warren Sapp was a peice of crap a few years ago when he put that cheap shot on Chad Clifton, and now he is the voice of reason because he likes David Carr? This is sad and funny at the same time. Somehow I don't think Mike Sherman will be shaking hands with Sapp sunday afternoon.

real
11-30-2006, 05:38 PM
Warren Sapp was a peice of crap a few years ago when he put that cheap shot on Chad Clifton...

I don't know what the code of etiquette is in the NFL.....but the entire time I played football, middle school to college, that hit was clean and legal, all day long....

Had Chad Clifton not been injured on the play, and had just gotten blown up and knocked on his arse....everyone would be laughing at the hit on jacked up the next day....

ib4texans
11-30-2006, 05:42 PM
I don't know what the code of etiquette is in the NFL.....but the entire time I played football, middle school to college, that hit was clean and legal, all day long....

Had Chad Clifton not been injured on the play, and had just gotten blown up and knocked on his arse....everyone would be laughing at the hit on jacked up the next day....




I love Jacked-Up, those are the only highlights of the Texans I see. When Glenn Earl hit Shockey in the end zone he got............. JACKED-UP

Texan_Bill
11-30-2006, 05:43 PM
I don't know what the code of etiquette is in the NFL.....but the entire time I played football, middle school to college, that hit was clean and legal, all day long....

Had Chad Clifton not been injured on the play, and had just gotten blown up and knocked on his arse....everyone would be laughing at the hit on jacked up the next day....

Royalty and I don't agree on much, but I got his back on this one. The hit was legal and would have made "Jacked Up" if not for the injury....which obviously is NOT funny.

Although, Sapp is a piece of crap for other reasons....