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Hulk75
11-29-2006, 01:33 PM
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html

Has us taking Adrian Peterson...............

I dont like were we are at right record wise, but it is what it is as of now.

JDizzle
11-29-2006, 01:41 PM
If we are drafting that high then I would rather have the Tackle .. if he is indeed an elite one. And, if by some miracle Troy Smith falls to round 2 and we don't take him I will probably puke.

kastofsna
11-29-2006, 01:56 PM
the only way the bucs would take jamarcus russell is if gruden is gone.

Blake
11-29-2006, 03:56 PM
#1. We will not take Adrian Peterson. I would like him, but we wont take him.

#2. The Bucs taking Russell made me laugh.

#3. The CB's this year are just bleh... Not a single Pac-Man, Robinson, or Hall.

#4. Levi Brown at #20 is a great value in my book.

#5. Laron Landry @21 is a steal as well.

#6. Brohm shouldnt go in the 1st round.

Out of our first 3 picks, I want a Safety, Ouside linebacker, and Defensive Tackle.

I want a FA Corner.

LORK 88
11-29-2006, 04:03 PM
the only way the bucs would take jamarcus russell is if gruden is gone.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=tam

They made a 2 year extension to Simms . . .

TexansSeminole
11-29-2006, 04:14 PM
Not a single Pac-Man, Robinson, or Hall.

Sure there is....Leon Hall isn't exactly like those guys...he is not as small and as quick...but he is a great corner. Daymeion Hughes is just like those guys.

YoungTexanFan
11-29-2006, 05:54 PM
#1. We will not take Adrian Peterson. I would like him, but we wont take him.

#2. The Bucs taking Russell made me laugh.

#3. The CB's this year are just bleh... Not a single Pac-Man, Robinson, or Hall.

#4. Levi Brown at #20 is a great value in my book.

#5. Laron Landry @21 is a steal as well.

#6. Brohm shouldnt go in the 1st round.

Out of our first 3 picks, I want a Safety, Ouside linebacker, and Defensive Tackle.

I want a FA Corner.


1. I agree

2. I chuckled a bit myself

3. Depending on which JR CB's declare, there could be 2-3 CB's that would be better than Daunta when drafted. Revis, Cason will be better than Daunta when he was drafted with Hall, Hughes, and McCauley as outside chances of being that good.

4. I don't think Levi Brown is a first round OT. I just see BUST written all over him.

5. Laron at 21 is about where he should go based on talent, he will probally go higher because of hype and overrating, but I feel Nelson will be the better pro.

6. Brohm should deffinitly go in the first round. He has everything you want in a QB and is a prototypical QB prospect with a big arm and good decision with a quick release who has plenty of college experience.

Texas_Thrill
11-29-2006, 07:02 PM
If we are drafting that high then I would rather have the Tackle .. if he is indeed an elite one. And, if by some miracle Troy Smith falls to round 2 and we don't take him I will probably puke.


Please stop this madness. Troy Smith will not be a first round qb. It wont be a mircale that he does the miracle will be more if he's taken in the 2nd round.

kastofsna
11-29-2006, 07:43 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=tam

They made a 2 year extension to Simms . . .
well, that pretty much signals the end of gruden's coaching career in tampa.

bigbrewster2000
11-30-2006, 08:14 AM
That mock has some HUGE reaches. I would not even bother with that one. Why would Jamarcus Russell go from a possible 2nd rounder to top 10. He is good but raw, I could see him somewhere in the 2nd half of the first round though but I don't know who would take him there, unless Miami continues to make another crazy run and Saban drafts him, but that also seems unlikely.

TexansSeminole
11-30-2006, 12:19 PM
Please stop this madness. Troy Smith will not be a first round qb. It wont be a mircale that he does the miracle will be more if he's taken in the 2nd round.

I wouldn't be so sure...where is he projected? Everyone has a different opinon...once the combine and individual workouts start and he starts skyrocketing you will be changing your mind. He has everything...it is really about how he interviews with teams...I have seen an interview of him before...he seems quite mature.

El Tejano
11-30-2006, 01:44 PM
We need to put Carr on a hot seat and drafting a guy like Troy Smith in the 2nd will definetly do that.

Meloy
11-30-2006, 02:13 PM
We need to put Carr on a hot seat and drafting a guy like Troy Smith in the 2nd will definetly do that.
Just my thoughts: I do not mind drafting a QB but my projection is Kevin Kolb (U of H) in 4th. I understand he should be avail at our pick in that round. We need a left tackle in 1st and either a DT or corner in second. In third, we need to reverse what we picked in second. Kubes said he was ok with our safeties & I think another corner and the improvement we will see in Dline and LB will benefit the safeties next year.

Meloy
11-30-2006, 02:14 PM
I am really confused about what we should do at running back.

bah007
11-30-2006, 02:26 PM
We need to put Carr on a hot seat and drafting a guy like Troy Smith in the 2nd will definetly do that.

I wouldnt use a 2nd round pick on a QB just to put Carr on the hot seat.

We have way more pressing needs than back-up QB.

LORK 88
11-30-2006, 02:48 PM
We need to put Carr on a hot seat and drafting a guy like Troy Smith in the 2nd will definetly do that.
Horrible idea, why would you want to delay improving our defense that much more so we can put Carr on the hot seat?

JDizzle
11-30-2006, 03:44 PM
Please stop this madness. Troy Smith will not be a first round qb. It wont be a mircale that he does the miracle will be more if he's taken in the 2nd round.

25 - 2 as a starter, very raw talent coming into college, matured as a passer, comes up big in big games (unlike Brady Quinn). Sound familiar? The other guy that fits that almost to a T got taken 3rd overall this year. Please point out the madness of it if you don't mind.

dbspi
11-30-2006, 04:09 PM
Please stop this madness. Troy Smith will not be a first round qb. It wont be a mircale that he does the miracle will be more if he's taken in the 2nd round.

Smith is great college Athletic QB but he has no future in NFL as a QB. I see him playing more as a receiver then a QB.

Porky
11-30-2006, 04:33 PM
Smith is great college Athletic QB but he has no future in NFL as a QB. I see him playing more as a receiver then a QB.

Substitute the word Young for the word Smith, and I would say it's deja vu all over again.

LORK 88
11-30-2006, 05:12 PM
25 - 2 as a starter, very raw talent coming into college, matured as a passer, comes up big in big games. Sound familiar? The other guy that fits that almost to a T got taken 3rd overall this year. Please point out the madness of it if you don't mind.
Sounds like Craig Krenzel to me! Anyways, not sure if youve noticed, but our pass defense is the madness. I could name several other needs other than QB right now too if necessary.

Specnatz
11-30-2006, 05:52 PM
Just my thoughts: I do not mind drafting a QB but my projection is Kevin Kolb (U of H) in 4th. I understand he should be avail at our pick in that round. We need a left tackle in 1st and either a DT or corner in second. In third, we need to reverse what we picked in second. Kubes said he was ok with our safeties & I think another corner and the improvement we will see in Dline and LB will benefit the safeties next year.

Kolb will not last past the second round. A lot of teams that have aging QBs or suspect QBs will draft a guy like Kolb in the second round.

As far as Smith goes, I am not sold on him because of his HT at only 6' he does not have the ideal size to be a QB, if he is drafted at QB it will be in the third or fourth round, as an Athlete he would go higher.

JDizzle
11-30-2006, 05:57 PM
Kolb in the 2nd round, Smith in the 4th .... lmao. You guys are something else.

YoungTexanFan
11-30-2006, 06:23 PM
Kolb in the 2nd round, Smith in the 4th .... lmao. You guys are something else.

Kolb will be doing good to go first day IMO.

Smith could go anywhere from the 1st to the late 2nd as a QB.

DeclanJr
11-30-2006, 06:28 PM
So Joe Thomas is projected to go 2? I don't think we'll be in position to pick him up if that is the case. I don't see us taking a running back. How good is that DT Branch? Is he worth taking?

real
11-30-2006, 06:29 PM
So Joe Thomas is projected to go 2? I don't think we'll be in position to pick him up if that is the case. I don't see us taking a running back. How good is that DT Branch? Is he worth taking?

Don't worry about the draft position...

Just know that if Arizona finishes with a worst record than us we're not getting Joe Thomas....period....

Baranghoori
11-30-2006, 07:35 PM
I wouldn't mind drafting Adrian Peterson if he were to fall to us.

Frankly, i'd be content with any of those players in the first round except for Brady Quinn. I'd even rather have Jamarcus Russell.

TexansSeminole
11-30-2006, 08:05 PM
If we were to get a QB in the first two rounds I say wait for Troy Smith in the second, and if he is gone take Kolb. If we are taking a QB that high though, that is probably going to mean we are going to be getting rid of Rosenfels or Carr...probably Carr.


I want us to go defense...our defense is really bad.

CoastalTexan
11-30-2006, 08:25 PM
Kubiak most likely wont draft a RB or a OL very high in the first. My intuition says its going to be Branch/a CB/or FS. An interesting pick would be Johnson from Georgia Tech...

Texas_Thrill
11-30-2006, 09:33 PM
25 - 2 as a starter, very raw talent coming into college, matured as a passer, comes up big in big games (unlike Brady Quinn). Sound familiar? The other guy that fits that almost to a T got taken 3rd overall this year. Please point out the madness of it if you don't mind.

Please spare me his RECORD as a starter. Need I remind you of Ken Dorsey's record as a starter. Records mean you played with a GREAT TEAM.

Smith is a GENEROUS 6'. That alone knocks him out of the first. Though he is mobile nowhere near Young's.

In the OSU-Michigan game he had a great first half and was so-so in the second.

I'm not against the kid being a QB in the pro's but don't kid yourself into making him a first rounder.

Texas_Thrill
11-30-2006, 09:41 PM
If we are not going to get J. Thomas then my vote is for defense.

No LB's right now are grading into top 5 or even top 10 consideration.
So that leaves DL or DB. We all KNOW w/o a doubt we need secondary help.

I can't name another DT we have outside of TJ. I'd be all for Branch.

DL or DB that's how i see it at this point.

Ole Miss Texan
11-30-2006, 09:54 PM
Gaines Adams would be an interesting pick. and then a Safety or good cornerback that slips into the second.

having him and mario for years would be kind of cool. weaver could move into dt.

I really believe we go defense in the 1st as well. on offense I only see j. thomas, a. peterson , or maybe m. lynch.

Defense has a lot more players for us to choose and a lot more positions that are needed with great players in the draft than just OL or RB. jmo

I think they will come up with a plan and should be a really interesting draft for us.

Honoring Earl 34
11-30-2006, 10:10 PM
If Troy Smith has a big game against USC ( most likely team ) he'll be a first round pick . He's no smaller than Brees and Romo . Besides being 6'3 does'nt mean you won't have your passes batted down .

Meloy
12-01-2006, 02:12 PM
In response to several posts above: I would not draft QB for Texans before 4th as I see it as an insurance policy. I do not see Kolb going on first day but like others said we need too much else if he does. Weaver is supposedly to light for DT and was signed to play DE,so draft a DT. I do not think we can say Kubes will not draft Oline. He drafted Mario (DE) despite what most others thought so I think he will draft on need. LT is complete a ? mark now. A safety is rarely taken in first.

dbspi
12-01-2006, 03:38 PM
If Spencer is healthy and we end up with top 5 picks and not picking Thomas or AP then it will be wise to trade down couple of time and pick up as many draft picks as possible on day 1. If selecting some one in the range of 20 - 32 grants us few more two's or three's then I am all for it.

Address the need at FS, DT, CB, OLB first.

Pick up CB in the free agency. I really like to see us fix all the holes on defense which can be done through draft and free agency this off season. Next year see how Spencer performs, how how Carr performs and see if our running games improves or not before addressing those needs.

In 2008 we may have to address QB needs, OL needs and RB if our current players don't improve between now and then.

threetoedpete
12-01-2006, 03:42 PM
If we are drafting that high then I would rather have the Tackle .. if he is indeed an elite one. And, if by some miracle Troy Smith falls to round 2 and we don't take him I will probably puke.

Well they are playing thisw weekend, judge for yourself. You know me , you know last year, I was very Hot for Fergeson. This guy coulod be better. Watch his feet, and his head when you look at him. He is light years ahead of what is normally on the boards. He is our starting LT or LG the moment they select him. No one in the league, much less the division will beat him on a speed rush. He's good. My book has him the second best prospect behind Calvin Johnson.

threetoedpete
12-01-2006, 03:44 PM
Don't worry about the draft position...

Just know that if Arizona finishes with a worst record than us we're not getting Joe Thomas....period....

Agreed. Not even Denny could mess that up. Funny how Arizona's problems and ours are congruent ?

threetoedpete
12-01-2006, 03:48 PM
If Spencer is healthy and we end up with top 5 picks and not picking Thomas or AP then it will be wise to trade down couple of time and pick up as many draft picks as possible on day 1. If selecting some one in the range of 20 - 32 grants us few more two's or three's then I am all for it.

Address the need at FS, DT, CB, OLB first.

Pick up CB in the free agency. I really like to see us fix all the holes on defense which can be done through draft and free agency this off season. Next year see how Spencer performs, how how Carr performs and see if our running games improves or not before addressing those needs.

In 2008 we may have to address QB needs, OL needs and RB if our current players don't improve between now and then.

Go back and read the conversation Kubes had last monday on sports610. He ain't goin to be ready. This is pie -in-the-sky wishful thinking. You do anything other than draft line in the first round you're damning the club to another top ten draft for '08. How many guys do you have to IR chicken little to understand that the sky has fallen ?

tj_mayes
12-01-2006, 04:53 PM
Peterson is too brittle for Kubiaks running attack IMO..

:cool: TJ :cool:

threetoedpete
12-01-2006, 05:30 PM
You're my new best friend. How many full injury free seasons in how many years ? Some people are seing Earl. I see "oh no, it's Mr. Bill" . Instead of a number we could issue the guy the purple heart symbol. He's a great Athlete no doubt. Instead of watching games we could have a new soap, which bo bo on All Day hurts worst this week ? Mr McNair could offer lines on which body part wound be contusioned next. If the offensive line was intack, if we had the bodies on defense, if we were close to catching the Colts and Manning, I could see rolling the dice on the guy with this draft. But we're not. We've got far too many holes for this peg. I could live with several scenareos with the '07 draft. All Day is not one of them. He is the odd duck in this pond.

threetoedpete
12-01-2006, 05:38 PM
Kubiak most likely wont draft a RB or a OL very high in the first. My intuition says its going to be Branch/a CB/or FS. An interesting pick would be Johnson from Georgia Tech...

I agree. In normal circumstance he would not take the o-line early. But this year has been anything but normal with the o-line injuries. He's got to have the play action pass. With out that, befor they snap one snap of the football, they are doomed for '07. He can live without a lot of stuff. But a tight end and the play action pass aren't two of them. In this offense, he's got to have the p-a-p. They may gamble on someone late day one. My book says a lot of people are going to be screaming and howling over our first round pick come end of april. He's gotta have the line.

DeclanJr
12-02-2006, 07:57 AM
QB isn't a need position and we are stuck with Carr. I think Kolb has good value in the 4th if he lasts that long. We need to address the offensive line! Forget running back! We have to be able to create running lanes and protect the quarterback first.

beerlover
12-02-2006, 12:00 PM
QB isn't a need position and we are stuck with Carr. I think Kolb has good value in the 4th if he lasts that long. We need to address the offensive line! Forget running back! We have to be able to create running lanes and protect the quarterback first.

have not been able to make a Couger game this year but I remember last year against Oregon Kolb looked better than Kellen Clemens who the Jets traded up into the 2nd rd. to draft :phone:

Honoring Earl 34
12-02-2006, 12:03 PM
Kolb ... I've read can go anywhere from 1-3 . The knock will be offense and conference .

bigbrewster2000
12-02-2006, 03:45 PM
I wouldn't be so sure...where is he projected? Everyone has a different opinon...once the combine and individual workouts start and he starts skyrocketing you will be changing your mind. He has everything...it is really about how he interviews with teams...I have seen an interview of him before...he seems quite mature.

He won't be drafted too high simply because of his height. He is only 5'11"

TexansSeminole
12-02-2006, 03:50 PM
He won't be drafted too high simply because of his height. He is only 5'11"

I don't think that will effect his draft position dramatically...and I don't think it will effect his play in the NFL much either.

Wolf
12-02-2006, 04:06 PM
if griffin lasts to #32, I'd expect us to move up a couple of spots to get him.. and I might be in the minority, but I would love to have peterson.(depending on DD's status and how severe Spencers injury is)

But overall, I'd love to go defense on all rounds

TexansSeminole
12-02-2006, 04:10 PM
if griffin lasts to #32, I'd expect us to move up a couple of spots to get him.. and I might be in the minority, but I would love to have peterson.(depending on DD's status and how severe Spencers injury is)

But overall, I'd love to go defense on all rounds

I'm pretty much in the same mindset you are. If Peterson is there...I would take him. I wouldn't go after him (Trade up) but if he falls to us I would take him. But overall I want mostly defensive selections...obviously in the secondary (ATLEAST 1 safety), a linebacker or two, and maybe some defensive line depth.

painekiller
12-03-2006, 08:49 AM
Sounds like Craig Krenzel to me! Anyways, not sure if youve noticed, but our pass defense is the madness. I could name several other needs other than QB right now too if necessary.

Have to agree, we have way bigger problems to draft a QB on day 1. Plus the $8M bonus Carr got in February says he get one more year to improve.

My order of things that are broken: DT, FS, CB2,Sam LB, Will LB,OG,OC, LT?, Punter, PK, then you can start adding depth. Our QB backups right now look pretty good right now, so wait another year before ringing that bell makes the most sense.

threetoedpete
12-03-2006, 12:56 PM
Sure there is....Leon Hall isn't exactly like those guys...he is not as small and as quick...but he is a great corner. Daymeion Hughes is just like those guys.

And I think that's the point he's ting to make. You take guys high in a weak class you end up with P-burnt on the roster....starting...for a while. I've seen some nice DBs this season. And I'm not going to lol "puke" if we take Landry...but I see the South Carolina guy or Terrel Brown for Texas getting pushed up the boards...tells me this is a weak class for DBs. A lot of us our worried picking them early out of need instead of where historically there tallent dictates they should be picked...we're reaching. And reaching never works out. We're just saying "Danger Will Robinson".

threetoedpete
12-03-2006, 01:02 PM
if griffin lasts to #32, I'd expect us to move up a couple of spots to get him.. and I might be in the minority, but I would love to have peterson.(depending on DD's status and how severe Spencers injury is)

But overall, I'd love to go defense on all rounds

Just really worried over his inury history. See the guys coming on the board in future drafts...I can wait. TBS...the franchise needs a banger with DD down. I hate the directrion, but I'm not going to burn my Texan's stuff if we take the guy. He's got the size and speed...just gets dinged an awefull lot for a "stud".

I'm with ya after the LOT, if the went d with the rest of the picks you'll hear no howling from me. I'm not as high as you are on the Texas DBs this year.

threetoedpete
12-09-2006, 12:13 AM
I wouldn't be so sure...where is he projected? Everyone has a different opinon...once the combine and individual workouts start and he starts skyrocketing you will be changing your mind. He has everything...it is really about how he interviews with teams...I have seen an interview of him before...he seems quite mature.

He's six fricken feet tall. OK. So no he doesn't have everything. He's a fricken smurf. His speed numbers give him a chance. But the NFL Ball is bigger than the college ball. OK. You don't even know yet whether he can grip the dam thing much less whether he can throw it. And you're already sky rocketing the guy up the board... in December. Good Grief. Let's at least get a peek at the guy in a pro passing drill please. I can see them taking the guy in the second. I'm also not going to be surprised if he falls like a stone in the draft. Six foot is six foot. Noone is going to overpay for a smurf.

YoungTexanFan
12-09-2006, 09:58 AM
He's six fricken feet tall. OK. So no he doesn't have everything. He's a fricken smurf. His speed numbers give him a chance. But the NFL Ball is bigger than the college ball. OK. You don't even know yet whether he can grip the dam thing much less whether he can throw it. And you're already sky rocketing the guy up the board... in December. Good Grief. Let's at least get a peek at the guy in a pro passing drill please. I can see them taking the guy in the second. I'm also not going to be surprised if he falls like a stone in the draft. Six foot is six foot. Noone is going to overpay for a smurf.

I don't agree. I think with previous success of Brees and the intangibles Smith has, that a team could value him a lot. He has leadership and excellent football abilities. Size is the only concern, but I'd rather have a QB with the best intangiables than with the best size.

bigbrewster2000
12-09-2006, 10:37 AM
I don't agree. I think with previous success of Brees and the intangibles Smith has, that a team could value him a lot. He has leadership and excellent football abilities. Size is the only concern, but I'd rather have a QB with the best intangiables than with the best size.

Brees was in a similar situation then also. Regardless, if you look back at Draft history short QB's don't typicaly go rd1. I see him peaking at the top of rd 2. There is very little chance he lasts past day 1. (If he did and he was sitting there in the 4th for the Texans I bet he would be our pick.)

Also, I would like to see him on our team because he falls into the strengths of our offensive scheme. Rolling him out of the pocket would prevent him from getting passes batted down and not being able to see over the top of the linemen. Still imo he won't be a 1st rounder.

That being said I would rather take more defensive players or olinemen.

JDizzle
12-09-2006, 11:21 AM
But the NFL Ball is bigger than the college ball. OK. You don't even know yet whether he can grip the dam thing much less whether he can throw it.

Actually, the NCAA has 2 different ball patterns it uses: the F1001, and the F1005. Typically you will see the bigger schools using the F1001 pattern, because it's the same size (http://www.faqfarm.com/Q/Why_do_the_NFL_and_NCAA_use_different_size_footbal ls) as the official NFL football. According to Wilson's website (http://www.wilson.com/wilson/football/balls.jsp?CONTENT<>cnt_id=10134198673972910&FOLDER<>folder_id=2534374302755752&bmUID=1165277154255), OSU and many other big time U's use the F1001, which makes sense if your players have any shot at making it in the NFL. I have both of them and I can't tell any difference in them except for labeling and the white stripes. Both are big and tough to throw if you have small hands. Smith doesn't have small hands (http://www.noramsports.com/news/BigTen/Football/Reports/Photo/TSmith2.jpg) from what I've seen, unless he was involved in a shop-class accident recently.

YoungTexanFan
12-09-2006, 11:23 AM
Actually, the NCAA has 2 different ball patterns it uses: the F1001, and the F1005. Typically you will see the bigger schools using the F1001 pattern, because it's the same size (http://www.faqfarm.com/Q/Why_do_the_NFL_and_NCAA_use_different_size_footbal ls) as the official NFL football. According to Wilson's website (http://www.wilson.com/wilson/football/balls.jsp?CONTENT<>cnt_id=10134198673972910&FOLDER<>folder_id=2534374302755752&bmUID=1165277154255), OSU and many other big time U's use the F1001, which makes sense if your players have any shot at making it in the NFL. I have both of them and I can't tell any difference in them except for labeling and the white stripes. Both are big and tough to throw if you have small hands. Smith doesn't have small hands (http://www.noramsports.com/news/BigTen/Football/Reports/Photo/TSmith2.jpg) from what I've seen, unless he was involved in a shop-class accident recently.

Great post w/good links. Rep your way.