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Texas_Thrill
11-29-2006, 12:24 PM
Its obvious that national titles are meant for a SELECT few teams only in major conferences. Even though the NCAA has seen some parity in recent years there are still only a select few that have a legitimate shot.

Does anyone have an idea of how many D-1 teams have won a national championship? Shared titles are too complicated. So only undisputed ones please.

jaayteetx
11-29-2006, 12:28 PM
National Championships in NCAA Div 1 are kinda like Santa Claus, the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny. You believe in them for a little while until you finally see the light and realize they are just figments of people's imagination. Bring on a playoff, I say!

bah007
11-29-2006, 12:29 PM
Its obvious that national titles are meant for a SELECT few teams only in major conferences. Even though the NCAA has seen some parity in recent years there are still only a select few that have a legitimate shot.

Does anyone have an idea of how many D-1 teams have won a national championship? Shared titles are too complicated. So only undisputed ones please.

Temple & Idaho will never win a national championship.

kastofsna
11-29-2006, 01:55 PM
for a smaller school to win one they'd have to have previous success combined with a big win over a good preseason ranking. not that hard, really. rutgers had virtually no shot this year, but next year, if they're ranked, they can easily get into a championship game. why not?

painekiller
11-29-2006, 02:05 PM
for a smaller school to win one they'd have to have previous success combined with a big win over a good preseason ranking. not that hard, really. rutgers had virtually no shot this year, but next year, if they're ranked, they can easily get into a championship game. why not?

Because there best player are seniors and they will not be there might be a reason?

Texans Horror
11-29-2006, 02:21 PM
From;

http://www.rauzulusstreet.com/football/college/collegechampionship.htm

Not counting years where two teams ended no. 1 or were declared National Champion, it should be obvious who the big football programs are:

Yale (11 championships)
Notre Dame (9 championships)
(tie) Princeton, Harvard, and Oklahoma (6 championships)
(tie) USC and Minnesotta (five championships)

Why athletes would go to schools like Miami, Alabama, Nebraska, FSU, Tennessee, Ohio State, or Texas is beyond me. None of these teams have five or more years where they were the undisputed National Champion.

And let's not discount Army or Cornell. These universities have as many National Championships as Texas/Nebraska and more than LSU, Penn State, or FSU.

tburdette
11-29-2006, 03:16 PM
for a smaller school to win one they'd have to have previous success combined with a big win over a good preseason ranking. not that hard, really. rutgers had virtually no shot this year, but next year, if they're ranked, they can easily get into a championship game. why not?

If that is the case then why hasnt Boise State been in the title game? They have had one of the best programs for a few years now and no one even give them a sniff at the championship game.

CoastalTexan
11-29-2006, 05:08 PM
If that is the case then why hasnt Boise State been in the title game? They have had one of the best programs for a few years now and no one even give them a sniff at the championship game.

And they are undefeated this year, what more can they do? I know they dont play powerhouse schools but give them a chance. 16 team playoff, conference champs and then have a vote for the rest of the programs that make it in the playoff bracket. Single game elimination, no doubt it would be bigger than the basketball tournament. "They have to study" Bull, my finals are going next week, plus some students get special treatment. Watch the D1-AA tournament this weekend, these schools come out to play cause they know if they lose they are out. The bowl system is the biggest rip off in all of sports.

YoungTexanFan
11-29-2006, 05:48 PM
Well, I'll be honest here...KU will never win a national championship in football.

Basketball is our thing, and that is where most of our money goes.


Yale, Princeton, Harvard, and the like schools will never win another national championship. Period.

Please_Evolve
11-29-2006, 05:49 PM
IMO some of the larger conference powerhouses are scared to play legit smaller programs and the BCS is a way to ensure whose on top now stays on top. Can't have the Boise States and company messing up the order of things.

Titan "Tack" Fan
11-29-2006, 05:53 PM
Boise State, Rutgers, Tulane, Utah

They all think they can, but they never will.

gwallaia
11-29-2006, 07:24 PM
The BCS will only allow certain schools from certain conferences to be eligible for a National Championship.

kastofsna
11-29-2006, 07:45 PM
If that is the case then why hasnt Boise State been in the title game? They have had one of the best programs for a few years now and no one even give them a sniff at the championship game.
notice i said "combined with a big win." BSU hasn't beaten anyone at all.

bah007
11-29-2006, 07:48 PM
The BCS will only allow certain schools from certain conferences to be eligible for a National Championship.

That's not true at all.

They just made it extremely hard for non-BCS schools to get in.

It is still possible & it could happen next year...

IF...

Boise St wins their BCS game handily this year and gets a high pre-season ranking next year AND runs the table while only 1 or 0 other teams remain undefeated.

See... not impossible. Just highly, highly unlikely.

awtysst
11-30-2006, 11:31 PM
From;

http://www.rauzulusstreet.com/football/college/collegechampionship.htm

Not counting years where two teams ended no. 1 or were declared National Champion, it should be obvious who the big football programs are:

Yale (11 championships)
Notre Dame (9 championships)
(tie) Princeton, Harvard, and Oklahoma (6 championships)
(tie) USC and Minnesotta (five championships)

Why athletes would go to schools like Miami, Alabama, Nebraska, FSU, Tennessee, Ohio State, or Texas is beyond me. None of these teams have five or more years where they were the undisputed National Champion.

And let's not discount Army or Cornell. These universities have as many National Championships as Texas/Nebraska and more than LSU, Penn State, or FSU.

The thing is Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Army are all from another era. That was a very different time in college sports and one where these schools will likley never get back to. Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Cornell, etc are schools that are looking for schoalr atheltes. It seems these days many elite football players are looking at Football as their major and other academics as secondary.

Army is well the army. Graduating from Army means a stint in the military and many elite football players want to go to the draft immedialty and into the NFL. Very few would want to go serve in the military for a few years-especially their good football years.

Many of the schools you mentioned: Texas, Bama, Nebraska, etc are BIG schools with Big time football endowments. Big football endowmnets means good facilities, good trainers for injuries, good coaches to develop you, and most importantly a national stage to be seen by the NFL scouts. How many times have you heard of an outstanding player that went to a small school and thus was passed up by many teams(and several rounds) in the draft?

TexansCanes
12-01-2006, 01:59 AM
i think any team from a bcs conference can someday win a national title, it will just take a couple of years to build the credability to start the season reanked high enough in the polls. West Virginia is an example of this, even though they haven't played for a title yet they have gotten the national attention to make it possible.

Texans Horror
12-01-2006, 10:57 AM
The thing is Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Army are all from another era. That was a very different time in college sports and one where these schools will likley never get back to. Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Cornell, etc are schools that are looking for schoalr atheltes. It seems these days many elite football players are looking at Football as their major and other academics as secondary.

Army is well the army. Graduating from Army means a stint in the military and many elite football players want to go to the draft immedialty and into the NFL. Very few would want to go serve in the military for a few years-especially their good football years.

Many of the schools you mentioned: Texas, Bama, Nebraska, etc are BIG schools with Big time football endowments. Big football endowmnets means good facilities, good trainers for injuries, good coaches to develop you, and most importantly a national stage to be seen by the NFL scouts. How many times have you heard of an outstanding player that went to a small school and thus was passed up by many teams(and several rounds) in the draft?

I was being sarcastic. Of course the times have changed. I don't think any of the Ivy-Leaguers have won the National Championship in the last 30-50 years. Army still puts out some good players from time-to-time, but they are nothing of the likes of the big-name state/private schools (USC, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Miami, etc.). One of my measuring sticks has always been MNF when the players give their name and school. Players come from all over the country, but you start to see a pattern. Look at the Texans, for example:

93 Babin, Jason DE 6-2 259 3 Western Michigan
3 Brown, Kris K 5-11 206 8 Nebraska
24 Brown, C.C. S 6-0 208 2 Louisiana-Lafayette
87 Bruener, Mark TE 6-4 260 12 Washington
8 Carr, David QB 6-3 230 5 Fresno State
43 Cook, Jameel FB 5-10 237 6 Illinois
75 Dalton, Lional DT 6-1 315 9 Eastern Michigan
81 Daniels, Owen TE 6-3 247 R Wisconsin
36 Dayne, Ron RB 5-10 245 7 Wisconsin
26 Earl, Glenn SS 6-1 215 3 Notre Dame
54 Evans, Troy LB 6-3 243 5 Cincinnati
38 Faggins, Demarcus CB 5-10 178 5 Kansas State
35 Gado, Samkon RB 5-10 226 1 Liberty University
56 Greenwood, Morlon LB 6-0 238 6 Syracuse
55 Hodgdon, Drew C 6-3 309 2 Arizona State
80 Johnson, Andre WR 6-3 219 4 Miami (FL)
96 Johnson, Thomas DT 6-2 298 2 Midd. Tenn. State
94 Kalu, N.D. DE 6-3 265 10 Rice
86 Lewis, Derrick WR 6-2 185 1 San Diego State
33 Lundy, Wali RB 5-10 214 R Virginia
13 Mathis, Jerome WR 5-11 191 2 Hampton
20 McCleon, Dexter CB 5-10 195 9 Clemson
76 McKinney, Steve C 6-4 302 9 Texas AM
84 Moulds, Eric WR 6-2 210 11 Mississippi State
53 Orr, Shantee LB 6-0 250 4 Michigan
71 Pearson, Mike OL 6-7 302 6 Florida
98 Peek, Antwan DE 6-3 250 4 Cincinnati
48 Pittman, Bryan LS 6-3 270 4 Washington
69 Pitts, Chester G/T 6-3 320 5 San Diego State
51 Polk, DaShon LB 6-2 242 7 Arizona
88 Putzier, Jeb TE 6-4 256 5 Boise State
23 Robinson, Dunta CB 5-10 174 3 South Carolina
59 Ryans, DeMeco LB 6-2 236 R Alabama
74 Salaam, Ephraim T 6-7 300 9 San Diego State
30 Simmons, Jason S/CB 5-9 198 9 Arizona State
7 Stanley, Chad P 6-3 205 8 Stephen F. Austin
85 Walter, Kevin WR 6-3 214 4 Eastern Michigan
70 Weary, Fred G 6-4 308 5 Tennessee
92 Weaver, Anthony DT 6-3 280 5 Notre Dame
90 Williams, Mario DE 6-7 291 R N.C. State
73 Winston, Eric OT 6-7 310 R Miami (FL)
52 Wong, Kailee LB 6-2 250 9 Stanford
25 Wynn, Dexter DB 5-9 175 3 Colorado State

A lot of good schools represented there who are recognized as consistently putting out pro football players (Nebraska, Miami, Notre Dame).

Somebody had asked for a list of teams, which is all I was trying to deliver.

Speedy
12-01-2006, 02:23 PM
The Ivy League schools aren't in D1-A football any more. Haven't been since the early 80's or something like that. So no, they won't be winning a national title any time soon, unless it's the D1-AA title in which they'd have to win PLAYOFF GAMES to get to the title game.

If D1-A continues to make a mockery of it's post-season with this BCS non-sense, they could at least eliminate the pre-season polls and not even come out with one until the 5th or 6th week of the season. That way an unranked pre-season team like Arkansas doesn't take forever to climb the charts.

Of the teams in the pre-season Top 25(AP), TEN of those teams are no longer ranked. When the first BCS poll came out on Oct. 15, only 3 of the AP Top 25 teams are no longer ranked.

Pre-ranking these teams is a huge disadvantage to a school that comes out and just has a good year, whether they are a typical 'football school' or not, like Rutgers or Louisville. Holding off on coming out with a poll allows the schools that are having a good season to get a rank more deserving of their play.

TexansLucky13
12-01-2006, 02:33 PM
i think any team from a bcs conference can someday win a national title, it will just take a couple of years to build the credability to start the season reanked high enough in the polls. West Virginia is an example of this, even though they haven't played for a title yet they have gotten the national attention to make it possible.

I sorta agree. BCS Standings are everything. Remember that Auburn went undefeated yet they finished in third? That was ridiculous!

Mr teX
12-01-2006, 02:49 PM
The Ivy League schools aren't in D1-A football any more. Haven't been since the early 80's or something like that. So no, they won't be winning a national title any time soon, unless it's the D1-AA title in which they'd have to win PLAYOFF GAMES to get to the title game.

If D1-A continues to make a mockery of it's post-season with this BCS non-sense, they could at least eliminate the pre-season polls and not even come out with one until the 5th or 6th week of the season. That way an unranked pre-season team like Arkansas doesn't take forever to climb the charts.

Of the teams in the pre-season Top 25(AP), TEN of those teams are no longer ranked. When the first BCS poll came out on Oct. 15, only 3 of the AP Top 25 teams are no longer ranked.

Pre-ranking these teams is a huge disadvantage to a school that comes out and just has a good year, whether they are a typical 'football school' or not, like Rutgers or Louisville. Holding off on coming out with a poll allows the schools that are having a good season to get a rank more deserving of their play.


Good thoughts, but you know that the ESPN pundits will be lobbying for who THEY think should be ranked wherever. It may not be the end-all be-all but that will have a little influence on who starts where.