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dbspi
11-29-2006, 03:45 AM
Internally Texans players are very unhappy with the team performance and not being able to turn things around soon enough.


Link: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4366015.html

HJam72
11-29-2006, 06:03 AM
AJ might be the most underachieving player right now, based on his potential of course, but it's still hard for me to blame him when we have guys out there that just don't have the talent for their specific position, especially in the defensive backfield. Then there's what I see as utter confusion in the run-blocking, but that's debatable. It is true that we need some players to step up and make big plays, non of which are doing it, and AJ is the most talented player on the team. I think he can do more, despite all his yardage that he has gotten. I can't say I feel so confident about anybody else's chances for individual improvement.

nunusguy
11-29-2006, 06:54 AM
"It's very frustrating, because everybody around here wants to win," Johnson said. "That's the biggest thing to win. We just have to use these five games and try to perform at the highest level we can so we can hopefully build something."
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I dunno, is this candid talk by AJ or just lip service ?
We'll see Sunday in Oakland.

QB75
11-29-2006, 07:03 AM
Internally Texans players are very unhappy with the team performance and not being able to turn things around soon enough.


Link: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4366015.html

Then maybe he should set an example by STOP DROPPING BALLS. Talk about an overrated receiver.

powerfuldragon
11-29-2006, 07:13 AM
"It's very frustrating, because everybody around here wants to win," Johnson said. "That's the biggest thing to win. We just have to use these five games and try to perform at the highest level we can so we can hopefully build something."
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I dunno, is this candid talk by AJ or just lip service ?
We'll see Sunday in Oakland.
As we all know, AJ rarely talks. I think the fact that he's talking so candidly is a sign of his frustration. Once our defensive backfield plays well and our D-line starts pressuring qbs on a regular basis; and once our running game actually manages to gain more than 100 yards per game, i think we'll see dre at his top form once again. i believe in him.

MrMeToo
11-29-2006, 07:14 AM
I don't really see Andre complaining in this article.He even took much of the blame for the loss.I happen to think he is a underrated receiver that doesn't get many big yardage plays(20 yards or more) because his QB doesn't give him as many chances.He gets most of his catches on short yardage routes or slant routes.

Honoring Earl 34
11-29-2006, 07:22 AM
The pots starting to boil ... the Texans except for Gary Walker have pretty much stuck to the company line when discussing the team . Maybe thats a problem .

beerlover
11-29-2006, 08:33 AM
The pots starting to boil ... the Texans except for Gary Walker have pretty much stuck to the company line when discussing the team . Maybe thats a problem .

remember Jamie Sharper :cowboy1:

edo783
11-29-2006, 08:37 AM
I don't see where AJ is complaining about anything other than he isn't happy about the losses and feels some responsibility, as he should, and that the team as a whole isn't happy about the losses, as they should be. Frankly, I don't see any negative comments by him or about the team. To try and portray this as some sort of dession or devisivness by him or within the team is stupid. I'm sure they are all frustrated at the losses, but I doubt there is a blame game going on. They all know they have all been out played for the most part and need to play better.

Tayton
11-29-2006, 08:40 AM
Heard an interesting comment by Eric Moulds last night. He basically said that he told players to keep competing because some of them will not be on the team next year and they don't want anything for to look at on film when evaluating their talent. I got the feeling that he was addressing those players that were not going to be here. Also know that he is close to Andre. Guess I'm just stirring the pot.

Texan_Bill
11-29-2006, 08:43 AM
The pots starting to boil ... the Texans except for Gary Walker have pretty much stuck to the company line when discussing the team . Maybe thats a problem .

You forgot Sharper also. He had some things to say.... Which ironically enough, he was gone the very next off-season.

FanFromCali
11-29-2006, 08:43 AM
Sometimes saying these things are good for motivation sake and sometimes they only cause more problems.

I am not a fan of bringing your frustrations out to the public. This should be done behind closed doors in team meetings. But I could be wrong, as maybe this will in fact be a motivator. We will see...

HOU-TEX
11-29-2006, 08:45 AM
I don't see where AJ is complaining about anything other than he isn't happy about the losses and feels some responsibility, as he should, and that the team as a whole isn't happy about the losses, as they should be. Frankly, I don't see any negative comments by him or about the team. To try and portray this as some sort of dession or devisivness by him or within the team is stupid. I'm sure they are all frustrated at the losses, but I doubt there is a blame game going on. They all know they have all been out played for the most part and need to play better.

I agree with you. I actually came away from the article kind of positive. Maybe this will end up being similar to the time Kubiak fronted Mario out. AJ might have crisper routes or maybe a must get open attitude. We'll see.

Honoring Earl 34
11-29-2006, 08:58 AM
It says he's not TO or Braylin Edwards is what it says . If there is'nt some discontent ... thats not a good thing . If your as bad as they've been and your a competitor ... you could'nt help but want to jump down somebody's throat . I guess this is the gentler kinder Texans .

JDizzle
11-29-2006, 09:08 AM
You forgot Sharper also. He had some things to say.... Which ironically enough, he was gone the very next off-season.

I think that had little (if anything) with Sharper leaving. The Texans had injury concerns with Sharper at the time and he ended up getting IR'd the next year in Seattle and then cut after the season. Since then I think he's had trouble getting on with a team (Tampa, New England) ... not sure if anyone has signed him yet.

Marcus
11-29-2006, 09:11 AM
"If you look at the games we won, Andre made some special plays in those games," Kubiak said. "When we don't make those plays, we struggle. I just need him to make more of them."

On Monday, Kubiak sat in on meetings with the receivers. Dropped balls and the missed assignments were rehashed. The players were also shown missed plays and yards they left on the field.

"I'm not going to let them be average," Kubiak said.

"We have to get down the field better," Kubiak said. "We have to come off the ball better. I think being a good receiver in this league is being able to take little plays and make them big plays. I think we can make people miss better, take more responsibility as far as run after the catch."

Hmmm . . . the head coach is sitting in on the receivers meetings?

Ruh-roh! Yeah . . I'd say someone's not happy alright! Maybe what Andre's really not happy about, is that he's being 'evaluated' just like everyone else.

TheOgre
11-29-2006, 09:13 AM
His dropped pass before the half cost us potential points. We just seem to be missing opportuntities in every phase of the game.

Honoring Earl 34
11-29-2006, 09:22 AM
Kubiak's talking to what maybe a future hall of famer and his best offensive player ... could it be he's telling them to hang in there it'll get better . He may be saying ... look you guys have got to play hard or we have no chance .


Anyone ever been the star of the team and have the coach give you a one on one talk . It does'nt happen during a good streak it happens when he sees your fed up . My most memorable talk is when I was 14 and lost the game for first place to win the first half of the league . We jumped in his truck and sat there for awhile talking ... I looked up and he had a girly calender on his visor . I just looked up and had a lot of questions about the team after i noticed the calender .

TexansLucky13
11-29-2006, 09:24 AM
Andre hardly deserves the most blame, but he deserves some.... just like everyone else. We have all seen him dropping easily catchable balls recently. I can't get too boiled about that, though.... considering he is talent-wise a man amongst boys on the field.

NFLforher
11-29-2006, 09:27 AM
"It's very frustrating, because everybody around here wants to win," Johnson said. "That's the biggest thing to win. We just have to use these five games and try to perform at the highest level we can so we can hopefully build something."
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I dunno, is this candid talk by AJ or just lip service ?
We'll see Sunday in Oakland.


Stop dropping balls. That would help.

Honoring Earl 34
11-29-2006, 09:32 AM
Anybody besides me out there who does'nt believe that AJ is head and shoulders our best offensive player even with the drops .

mexican_texan
11-29-2006, 09:33 AM
No such thing as a happy reciever.

Marcus
11-29-2006, 09:39 AM
Stop dropping balls. That would help.
Getting some separation in the Cover 2 every once in awhile might help out some too!:idea:

run-david-run
11-29-2006, 09:40 AM
You can imagine that if we are frustrated of seeing 3 yards dump offs, screens and slants, AJ's frustration is only greater. He comes from a histroy of winning and its understandable to see him upset with how this season has turned out. However, he can improve his performace like everyone else.

SESupergenius
11-29-2006, 09:40 AM
Anybody besides me out there who does'nt believe that AJ is head and shoulders our best offensive player even with the drops .
And that is a problem because he's not a game breaker. I've been chirping for a long time now that he is not breaking tackles and is getting taken down by cornerbacks too easily. The quick slants are good and needs to break away from the receivers. if that happens then the cornerbacks and safeties have to play him more legitimately and will have to focus on him more. that opens up so much for the offense. If AJ is going up against a good CB, the CB usually wins.

Malloy
11-29-2006, 09:42 AM
I don't really see Andre complaining in this article.He even took much of the blame for the loss.I happen to think he is a underrated receiver that doesn't get many big yardage plays(20 yards or more) because his QB doesn't give him as many chances.He gets most of his catches on short yardage routes or slant routes.

He lead the league in receptions earlier this season right? He's getting plenty of balls thrown his way, question is, what's he doing with them?

Honoring Earl 34
11-29-2006, 09:45 AM
What wr leads the league in yds after the catch ?

DeclanJr
11-29-2006, 09:46 AM
You can imagine that if we are frustrated of seeing 3 yards dump offs, screens and slants, AJ's frustration is only greater. He comes from a histroy of winning and its understandable to see him upset with how this season has turned out. However, he can improve his performace like everyone else.

Good point! I know I'd be sick of this offense if I were him.

run-david-run
11-29-2006, 09:48 AM
The problem is, the defense know what we are going to do. Just park your safties and corners within 10 yards from the LOS and hit the guy with the ball.

Malloy
11-29-2006, 09:50 AM
He lead the league in receptions earlier this season right? He's getting plenty of balls thrown his way, question is, what's he doing with them?

Still leading the league in receptions actually.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/REC/2006/regular

infantrycak
11-29-2006, 10:01 AM
I don't see where AJ is complaining about anything other than he isn't happy about the losses and feels some responsibility, as he should, and that the team as a whole isn't happy about the losses, as they should be. Frankly, I don't see any negative comments by him or about the team. To try and portray this as some sort of dession or devisivness by him or within the team is stupid. I'm sure they are all frustrated at the losses, but I doubt there is a blame game going on. They all know they have all been out played for the most part and need to play better.

Where is the hitting the nail on the head smilie?

Honoring Earl 34
11-29-2006, 10:04 AM
If we're talking WCO and slants I have a question ... since the Jerry Rice days until now , I have seen several TDs on slants . They all came from the right . The WR caught the ball ... he had his guy on his back , evaded a tackle and was gone . They all started from the right and AJ plays on the left ... maybe its a fluke .

eriadoc
11-29-2006, 10:13 AM
It's interesting on a day where he and Moulds caught ten balls each, AJ had this to say:

"It was our worst performance as receivers," Johnson said. "That's frustrating. This is my fourth year here now, and after all (the losses) it kind of wears and tears on you."

The fact that we fans can't see the routes on TV is pretty well brought home by this statement, to me. Not that we'd all know what we were supposed to be seeing for the most part, anyway, since we're not privy to what route they're supposed to be running.

bah007
11-29-2006, 10:16 AM
No such thing as a happy reciever.

Ditto.

Texanfan4ever
11-29-2006, 10:28 AM
I would bet that AJ, Carr AND Moulds play with a different attitude in Oakland. Their jobs depend on it.

The only problem I see with that, and I don't know enough admittedly, but they can't play to their ability if the rest of the line isn't doing their jobs too.

So once again, maybe they'll all come to the party at the same time.

One could wish!! :challenge

Hulk75
11-29-2006, 10:35 AM
On Monday, Kubiak sat in on meetings with the receivers. Dropped balls and the missed assignments were rehashed. The players were also shown missed plays and yards they left on the field.
So that and NO running game!

Pretty hard to play QB on that day. But how cares it is all on 8.:cool:

Marcus
11-29-2006, 10:39 AM
Still leading the league in receptions actually.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/REC/2006/regular

If stats are not a good indication of how a QB performs, why wouldn't that apply to receivers? The dink and dunk style of offense produces misleading stats to a receiver just as much as a QB.

The prevailing question about how good Andre Johnson really is, has to considered in the problem of "getting the ball downfield".

My problem with AJ, is not really the dropped balls, but rather his inability to separate from his coverage. In other words "get open". Why is it that he's always covered like a blanket, even in single coverage by a supposedly less talented DB? And then, on the rare occasions where he DOES get open, then you're holding your breath wondering if he's going to catch it.

Yeah, every once in awhile, he'll make a the highlight reel catch . . get everyone oohing and aahhing, but I'm cussing him out just as much.

Best player on the offense, someone asks? That's not saying much, IMO.

Malloy
11-29-2006, 10:43 AM
If stats are not a good indication of how a QB performs, why wouldn't that apply to receivers? The dink and dunk style of offense produces misleading stats to a receiver just as much as a QB.



I was just pointing out the fact that he IS getting balls thrown his way. :)

Whether or not he produces enough YAC's, you'll have to watch the games for that, no statistics can show you that.

Double Barrel
11-29-2006, 10:54 AM
Getting some separation in the Cover 2 every once in awhile might help out some too!:idea:

Thank you, my thoughts exactly. Of course, the other half of that equation is having a QB that can recognize that separation and lead the receiver accordingly.

edo783
11-29-2006, 10:59 AM
My problem with AJ, is not really the dropped balls, but rather his inability to separate from his coverage. In other words "get open". Why is it that he's always covered like a blanket, even in single coverage by a supposedly less talented DB?

I think that can be attributed to AJ being fast, but not sudden/quick. It take him 5-10 yards to get that motor going. If the routs were staight line he could maybe blow by the DB after about 40-60 yards, but in the shorter routes, he isn't quick enough to get the separation.

tsip
11-29-2006, 11:27 AM
Does our WR Coach have anything to do with the receiver problems?

Kubiak hired a kid that played the 'bench' for UT-went to Tampa Bay in 'quality control'-has never been a position coach of any kind and is now in charge of our receivers. Any thoughts?...........

truetexan
11-29-2006, 12:24 PM
Let's not forget that this is still a major rebuilding period for the Texans. If you look at their coaching staff, 8 of the 11 coaches (i didn't look at assistants) are new to Houston, and that takes time to mesh everything together. I have to be honest, I want to see them finish at 500 or above but the major changes that they are going through takes time. I can still see the improvement on the offense as well as the defense. I think that they do play a lot better now. Consistency is what they need to work on now.

I'm sure AJ is frustrated, having a record under 500 for his professional career can be frustrating. (i've never experienced it, but i can only imagine) But it's how you fight through that frustration and fine tune all your skills, as a player and a team, that makes you a champion.

OrangeCountyTexansFan
11-29-2006, 01:02 PM
I'm sure AJ is frustrated, having a record under 500 for his professional career can be frustrating. (i've never experienced it, but i can only imagine) But it's how you fight through that frustration and fine tune all your skills, as a player and a team, that makes you a champion.

And part of that fight should include not dropping balls when they hit you right on the numbers.
:texan:

Goldeagle
11-29-2006, 04:42 PM
Then maybe he should set an example by STOP DROPPING BALLS. Talk about an overrated receiver.


A FREAKING MEN!

cuppacoffee
11-29-2006, 05:57 PM
The pots starting to boil ... the Texans except for Gary Walker have pretty much stuck to the company line when discussing the team . Maybe thats a problem .

When did Walker speak out?

Where is he playing now?

cuppacoffee
11-29-2006, 06:10 PM
ahaha maybe they are pissed at Carr, because like Carr :homer:'s they blame everything else, but Carr. Carr is probably blaming everything around him and everyone now is pissed. I hope now they get rid of him!

Get rid of him? Whos' him? Johnson? Moulds?

Maybe the Texans should make Moulds the primary reciever, at least he can catch something besides a cold. All Johnson does is catch balls in garbage time, never when we need a clutch reception to keep the ball moving.

Johnson needs to learn to fight for the ball instead of letting db's take it out of his hands.

Actually I don't believe a thing I just typed, but it makes more sense than the endless drivel the Carr bashers :joker: keep posting.

:coffee:

Honoring Earl 34
11-29-2006, 06:14 PM
When did Walker speak out?

Where is he playing now?

Walker he of two Pro Bowls is probably on a beach somewhere .

Goldeagle
11-29-2006, 08:16 PM
Get rid of him? Whos' him? Johnson? Moulds?

Maybe the Texans should make Moulds the primary reciever, at least he can catch something besides a cold. All Johnson does is catch balls in garbage time, never when we need a clutch reception to keep the ball moving.

Johnson needs to learn to fight for the ball instead of letting db's take it out of his hands.

Actually I don't believe a thing I just typed, but it makes more sense than the endless drivel the Carr bashers :joker: keep posting.

:coffee:

Thats what Ive been saying. Moulds needs to be set as primary, AJs stats are inflated because David Carrs stats dont count and its in garbage time.

(Seriously how can his stats count but Davids dont)?

leachmtb
11-29-2006, 11:42 PM
Does our WR Coach have anything to do with the receiver problems?

Kubiak hired a kid that played the 'bench' for UT-went to Tampa Bay in 'quality control'-has never been a position coach of any kind and is now in charge of our receivers. Any thoughts?...........

Yeah I have some thoughts. You may be right in that he is an unproven coach, but the best coaches are generally the players that were not the best. So, his riding the bench for UT had nothing to do with it. You all keep talking about proven winners and crap like that. What about the guys who are proven teachers. If he rode the bench, maybe he did so, because he was far superior in understanding the game, but far inferior at being able to produce?

I'm not trying to say anything, but the indicator of whether or not he has been a good coach is whether or not Kubiak dumps him by the end of the season. I guarantee Kubiak wants to keep his job more than remain loyal.

Again, I'm not trying to say that he is a great coach, but to say that he is not one because of the fact that he did not play much as a WR himself has nothing to do with his abilities as a coach. (ex. I sure as hell would not want to play for Michael Jordan. He would not be able to explain how to make anyone else better, because it just came naturally).

Goldeagle
11-30-2006, 10:02 PM
Yeah I have some thoughts. You may be right in that he is an unproven coach, but the best coaches are generally the players that were not the best. So, his riding the bench for UT had nothing to do with it. You all keep talking about proven winners and crap like that. What about the guys who are proven teachers. If he rode the bench, maybe he did so, because he was far superior in understanding the game, but far inferior at being able to produce?

I'm not trying to say anything, but the indicator of whether or not he has been a good coach is whether or not Kubiak dumps him by the end of the season. I guarantee Kubiak wants to keep his job more than remain loyal.

Again, I'm not trying to say that he is a great coach, but to say that he is not one because of the fact that he did not play much as a WR himself has nothing to do with his abilities as a coach. (ex. I sure as hell would not want to play for Michael Jordan. He would not be able to explain how to make anyone else better, because it just came naturally).


Wow, I did not think our WR coach was a kid? Dang thats messed up, no wonder AJ drops passes (along with so many others)

Honoring Earl 34
12-01-2006, 09:06 AM
The point is AJ can't afford to drop any balls ... it would be like spilling water in the dessert .

Hulk75
12-01-2006, 09:53 AM
The point is AJ can't afford to drop any balls ... it would be like spilling water in the dessert .

We dont agree too often but this is right on.

Honoring Earl 34
12-01-2006, 11:50 AM
Thank you

Vinny
12-01-2006, 12:08 PM
I have to question many Houston football fans 'football IQ' when they dog on Johnson. Saying Johnson is a part of the problem here is like saying that Lance Berkman is a part of the problem with the Astros because he strikes out sometimes. WR's drop passes. It just happens. We happen to follow this team the closest so that's the only thing we see. It's like the various fans of different teams hating the draft record of their team each year....they think they follow the only team in the NFL that blows draft picks...some of you guys are way too close to the elephant. I've read some pretty amazing stuff in a few threads, not just here in this one...just a general overview.

Texan_Bill
12-01-2006, 12:12 PM
I have to question many Houston football fans 'football IQ' when they dog on Johnson. Saying Johnson is a part of the problem here is like saying that Lance Berkman is a part of the problem with the Astros because he strikes out sometimes. I've read some pretty amazing stuff in a few threads, not just here in this one...just a general overview.

I agree with you Vinny, but Andre has seemingly dropped more balls than any of us are accustomed to, thus this discussion..

Maybe he's got a mild case of the drops strictly born out of trying to 'press' too hard to make a big play - which I don't really blame him for. It may be that he is trying to carry the offense himself.

Hulk75
12-01-2006, 12:20 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/tracker/player?id=7172

Positives: Elite athlete with a rare combination of size, speed and jumping ability (41-inch vertical at pro day). Can make the great catch and run. Is a playmaker because he can beat you in so many ways, including overpowering or outjumping defensive backs. Can be overpowering as a blocker and hunts for someone to hit. Is explosive after the catch because his first move is upfield. Is elusive, has make-you-miss ability, vision, body lean and patience. Gets off the ball well and consistently beats the jam. Eats up most defensive backs who try to press him. Built like a tight end, runs like a halfback.


Negatives: Is inconsistent with his concentration and drops too many balls. Relies too much on his God-given talent. Needs route refinement and better attention to detail in his film and classroom studies. Is not consistently physical. Could be a better downfield blocker.

Hulk75
12-01-2006, 12:24 PM
I agree with you Vinny, but Andre has seemingly dropped more balls than any of us are accustomed to, thus this discussion..

Maybe he's got a mild case of the drops strictly born out of trying to 'press' too hard to make a big play - which I don't really blame him for. It may be that he is trying to carry the offense himself.

No, that would be 8.:cool:

HOU-TEX
12-01-2006, 02:05 PM
Re: Andre's Not Happy

Neither am I.:crying:

HomeBred_Texan
12-01-2006, 02:23 PM
Really, if anyone is happy then they have a problem. Same ol Same ol, wait till next year...

Texanfan4ever
12-01-2006, 10:24 PM
You know, everyone just wants SOMEONE to blame. Andre has dropped some balls that would be uncharacteristic for him to drop. but since we are having so much trouble, they stand out more than normal. Everyone's mistakes stand out more than normal when you are not winning, because people go back and use those to blame the loss on.

Fact remains, they win as a team, they lose as a team. When they have all shown up for the game and won this year, it was great. Some are young, some are old, some in the middle, but they are growing. Our numbers don't show it, but we are miles ahead of where we were last year.

That is a start. Let's go with that ,and can the negativity.