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YoungTexanFan
11-22-2006, 01:13 AM
Ladell Betts - He has produced and I think he is a good fit for our system and he keeps his feet moving at all times.
Lance Briggs or Adalius Thomas - Briggs is the bigger name but Thomas is the better talent IMO.
Nate Clements or Asante Samuel - You pick, I call it a dead heat
Dwight Freeney or Jared Allen - Allen is a RFA and Freeny is likely to be resigned, but why can't I dream?


There are no OL, WR/TE worth mentioning. The FA class is thin overall so expect to overpay for anyone mentioned above. OL must be drafted as no top tier OL is allowed to sign elsewhere. The closest this year is Starks and he probally won't hit the market, but I don't consider him top tier.

TheRealJoker
11-22-2006, 07:48 AM
I'd give Asante Samuel the tiebreaker over Nate Clements right now since they are equal in my book. The reason for the tiebreaker is that Asante has been playing for a winning organization his whole career and has learned how to finish off games. Asante via winning swagger!!!

What do you think of Cato June at WLB?

Malloy
11-22-2006, 08:26 AM
Nate Clements finished off the game sunday :)

TheRealJoker
11-22-2006, 08:37 AM
Nate Clements finished off the game sunday :)

On a consistent basis ;)

humbleone
11-22-2006, 09:16 AM
#1 on my FA shopping list is Chicago OLB Briggs, #55/25/6'1"/240 and almost as good as Urlacher. Put him outside DeMeco, draft one more good OLB high in '07 and we have gone from having one of the worst defensive front 7 to one of the best IMO.

#2 but just a bit behind #1 is NE Samuel, #22/25/5'10"/185 and plays a lot like Drob. Paired with Drob, and Faggins as the 3rd CB and we are a FS upgrade away from being there with the backfield as well.

#3 much lower down on my list than the above two...SD RB Turner, #33/24/5'10"/237 Kubiak's protype RB with a lot of tread left on his wheels after backing up LT. I doubt we have the cap space to get this one though as he is probably going to cost someone a bunch to sign and I'll bet Kubes thinks we should use FA money elsewhere (like OLB, CB) :twocents:

Maddict5
11-22-2006, 10:32 AM
neither samuel, briggs, thomas are likely to be FA's come march

YoungTexanFan
11-22-2006, 11:05 AM
I'd give Asante Samuel the tiebreaker over Nate Clements right now since they are equal in my book. The reason for the tiebreaker is that Asante has been playing for a winning organization his whole career and has learned how to finish off games. Asante via winning swagger!!!

What do you think of Cato June at WLB?

I give Clements the edge actually because he has been to the pro-bowl and is more experienced but still in his prime. He is bigger and more physical. He is also an UFA who wants out.

I thought about listing June, but he just doesn't excite me. I really don't believe he could be a player we plus in to build around. I feel he is more of a last piece when there are other great players around him. I don't think he would make the kind of impact worth the money he'll ask.

YoungTexanFan
11-22-2006, 11:07 AM
neither samuel, briggs, thomas are likely to be FA's come march

Actually, Samuels and Briggs are likely to become FA's.

NE does not want to shell out the money to resign Samuels and many major sports outlets are reporting the same thing.

Briggs is almost garentueed out of Chicago. Chicago is going to be struggling to resign all their young defensive talent very soon. Briggs is expendable because he is overhyped. He will want more than Chicago will pay. He will be a FA.

AtheGreat
11-22-2006, 11:20 AM
I'm also pretty sure John Lynch is a RFA or UFA. He'd be a heck of a pick up for our shotty secondary. I'd say he'd be the top FA I'd go after. You know there wouldn't be any last minute bombs over the middle of the field for a TD if Lynch was patroling our backfield. Going into our offseason, secondary is my 1st concern, then our LB's.

Porky
11-22-2006, 11:44 AM
Lynch is too old, and I'm not sure why he would want to come here anyway. I get my RB in the draft. You can find good ones there, and we don't need to overpay. I would take Clements over Samuel, but either is a major, major upgrade. I would take Briggs over Thomas by a hair, but again, either is a major upgrade. Remember on any of these big names that it's a two way street. They have to want to be here.

YoungTexanFan
11-22-2006, 11:47 AM
Lynch is too old, and I'm not sure why he would want to come here anyway. I get my RB in the draft. You can find good ones there, and we don't need to overpay. I would take Clements over Samuel, but either is a major, major upgrade. I would take Briggs over Thomas by a hair, but again, either is a major upgrade. Remember on any of these big names that it's a two way street. They have to want to be here.

With most of these players looking for their second team, I expect them to care more about money than team. They want to go to a team that will highlight them in the defense as well as pay them handsomly. That seems like us.

HOU-TEX
11-22-2006, 11:48 AM
Lynch is too old, and I'm not sure why he would want to come here anyway. I get my RB in the draft. You can find good ones there, and we don't need to overpay. I would take Clements over Samuel, but either is a major, major upgrade. I would take Briggs over Thomas by a hair, but again, either is a major upgrade. Remember on any of these big names that it's a two way street. They have to want to be here.

Or we'll overpay for them to be here. See Greenwood, Weaver, etc.:twocents:

YoungTexanFan
11-22-2006, 11:48 AM
I'm also pretty sure John Lynch is a RFA or UFA. He'd be a heck of a pick up for our shotty secondary. I'd say he'd be the top FA I'd go after. You know there wouldn't be any last minute bombs over the middle of the field for a TD if Lynch was patroling our backfield. Going into our offseason, secondary is my 1st concern, then our LB's.

Lynch has never been a ball hawk or cover guy. He is a hard hitting SS, but we have two of those starting right now. Lynch is also really old and has not been playing well. He's on my stay away list.

YoungTexanFan
11-22-2006, 11:49 AM
Or we'll overpay for them to be here. See Greenwood, Weaver, etc.:twocents:

Todd Wade as well...

However, those were mediocere talents at best.

I don't mind overpaying a little for someone like Clements or Freeny.

HOU-TEX
11-22-2006, 11:52 AM
Todd Wade as well...

However, those were mediocere talents at best.

I don't mind overpaying a little for someone like Clements or Freeny.

Well, if we overpaid for mediocre talents, what do you think we're going to have to pay for real talent?

BTW, I like Weaver and don't include him as a mediocre talent.

mexican_texan
11-22-2006, 11:52 AM
Or we'll overpay for them to be here. See Greenwood, Weaver, etc.:twocents:
Uhh...Weaver actually produces. He's our best lineman.

HOU-TEX
11-22-2006, 11:54 AM
Uhh...Weaver actually produces. He's our best lineman.

See above post.

I don't include him as a mediocre talent. I assume you were posting at the same time I did. lol

hot pickle
11-22-2006, 11:55 AM
houston will have to overpay every FA for the next couple years, unless they are a home town guy, like Michael Lewis, now that would be a good pick up for the texans


i thought that lewis and dawkins were both FA after this season, or is it next season?

YoungTexanFan
11-22-2006, 12:00 PM
Well, if we overpaid for mediocre talents, what do you think we're going to have to pay for real talent?

BTW, I like Weaver and don't include him as a mediocre talent.

We will have to overpay by the same amount as we did for mediocre talent.

I like Weaver too and wasn't trying to include him in mediocre. He is good and solid.

beerlover
11-22-2006, 12:12 PM
fill needs via FA, build foundation through the draft-

the Texans cannot afford to overpay anymore for FA help because of all the high draft picks accumulated that will need to be resigned (Andre Johnson, Dunta Robinson, Mario Williams, DeMeco Ryans & franchise QB). Kubiaks staff has done a nice job with all the injurys to find players off the scrape heap for next to nothing. these players (Ephraim Salaam, Thomas Johnson, Anthony Maddox) have done an outstanding job filling in but look for these positions to be upgraded via the draft. only CB & FS positions would I consider overpaying FA.

HOU-TEX
11-22-2006, 12:12 PM
We will have to overpay by the same amount as we did for mediocre talent.

I like Weaver too and wasn't trying to include him in mediocre. He is good and solid.

I guess the whole point I'm leading up to is...can we afford to do this? What kind of cap space will we have? I'm not going to pretend I know much about what cap scenerio's going to look like. Maybe someone that knows might chime in.

dtran04
11-22-2006, 12:18 PM
Only problem with this list is that every team has the same exact list.

YoungTexanFan
11-22-2006, 12:20 PM
Only problem with this list is that every team has the same exact list.

Yes, and that's why I listed options and said we will have to overpay. I see us having a good shot at Clements.

I think if we focus in, we can get some of these guys.

mexican_texan
11-22-2006, 01:25 PM
McGee from the Bills...he's more likely to leave than Clements, according to the Bills fans that visited.

YoungTexanFan
11-22-2006, 01:33 PM
McGee from the Bills...he's more likely to leave than Clements, according to the Bills fans that visited.

That was an ignorant statement. (not by you Mex_tex)

McGahee isn't even a RFA, so he can't "leave"

Clements is tired of being franchised and has threatened holding out if it happens again. He wants out.

wolfscar
11-22-2006, 02:38 PM
That was an ignorant statement. (not by you Mex_tex)

McGahee isn't even a RFA, so he can't "leave"

Clements is tired of being franchised and has threatened holding out if it happens again. He wants out.

Are you talking about McGahee or McGee (Mex_Tex seemed to be talking about Terrence McGee)? Either way, neither of them is eligible to leave this year. McGee's signed on till 2009, McGahee till 2008.

I hope your'e right about Clements. Either him or Samuel would fill a MAJOR gap in our roster. There's no safeties worth having so we need to draft a FS.

I agree with most people about what we need from FA this year: big time cover corner (preferably Samuels or Clements), at least one OLB (Briggs or Thomas - or maybe Cato June if neither of those is feasible). Rian Lindell would be a welcome addition at K.

Shame there are no Centers or DTs likely to be there. I'm hoping we trade TJ for a solid DT or a draft pick that will allow us to get one.

mexican_texan
11-22-2006, 03:11 PM
That was an ignorant statement. (not by you Mex_tex)

McGahee isn't even a RFA, so he can't "leave"

Clements is tired of being franchised and has threatened holding out if it happens again. He wants out.
Moulds wasn't a FA, either. I'm guessing it's a similar situation.

YoungTexanFan
11-22-2006, 03:46 PM
Moulds wasn't a FA, either. I'm guessing it's a similar situation.

But the Bills aren't looking to move a very good RB still on his rookie contract who is still getting better.

mexican_texan
11-22-2006, 06:06 PM
But the Bills aren't looking to move a very good RB still on his rookie contract who is still getting better.
McGee is a DB.

YoungTexanFan
11-22-2006, 07:08 PM
McGee is a DB.

I was referencing McGahee. The RB from Miami.

Even McGee, same deal. They don't have an option to leave and haven't stated they would like to leave.

Bring us Clements. :redtowel:

El Tejano
11-22-2006, 07:43 PM
They have to want to be here.

I agree with this. I think it is one reason Moulds has worked out so well for us. He wanted to be here and he is all about making the team better.

I wonder if Moulds could help in gettin us Nate Clemens. Isn't Clemens from Houston?

mexican_texan
11-22-2006, 08:14 PM
Clements is from Ohio, but McGee is from Athens, Texas.

mexican_texan
11-22-2006, 08:15 PM
I was referencing McGahee. The RB from Miami.
Yes, and you're the only one.

Koolbrz
11-22-2006, 09:53 PM
Ladell Betts - He has produced and I think he is a good fit for our system and he keeps his feet moving at all times.
Lance Briggs or Adalius Thomas - Briggs is the bigger name but Thomas is the better talent IMO.
Nate Clements or Asante Samuel - You pick, I call it a dead heat
Dwight Freeney or Jared Allen - Allen is a RFA and Freeny is likely to be resigned, but why can't I dream?


There are no OL, WR/TE worth mentioning. The FA class is thin overall so expect to overpay for anyone mentioned above. OL must be drafted as no top tier OL is allowed to sign elsewhere. The closest this year is Starks and he probally won't hit the market, but I don't consider him top tier.





IMHO, i think that they should go after M. Turner from San Diego. The Texans have always over paid in free agency and will continue to do so. So bringing in Turner should not be a problem. We can fill a need with an awesome RB that will fit in extremely will with the kind of offense Kubes is running. No more rookies or players on the downside of there careers for the position. We seriously need the kind of back that Turner is on our offense....Explosive!!! We then draft CB/S/LB in the first 4 rds. of the draft. Just my opinion.

YoungTexanFan
11-22-2006, 11:12 PM
IMHO, i think that they should go after M. Turner from San Diego. The Texans have always over paid in free agency and will continue to do so. So bringing in Turner should not be a problem. We can fill a need with an awesome RB that will fit in extremely will with the kind of offense Kubes is running. No more rookies or players on the downside of there careers for the position. We seriously need the kind of back that Turner is on our offense....Explosive!!! We then draft CB/S/LB in the first 4 rds. of the draft. Just my opinion.

I like Turner, but if we want him we will lose more than just money. It will cost us a first and third round draft pick.

So...if you think you can find a CB/FS/LB/DT/OL/PK/P/FB in the second, fourth, fifth, six, and seventh...let me know. I'll nominate you for GM of the world and will bow down to you.

In all reality, Turner is a great talent, but I don't see him as much better than Betts who is an URFA.

IshouldbeGM
11-22-2006, 11:24 PM
I know he's not young but Simeon Rice from Tampa may be let go after this year according to

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2672135



I would love this addition, pairing Simeon with Mario and Weaver and get a glen dorsey from lsu to go inside on the d-line, sign lance briggs and get lewis from philly and we're set on the defense.

Koolbrz
11-23-2006, 01:13 AM
I like Turner, but if we want him we will lose more than just money. It will cost us a first and third round draft pick.

So...if you think you can find a CB/FS/LB/DT/OL/PK/P/FB in the second, fourth, fifth, six, and seventh...let me know. I'll nominate you for GM of the world and will bow down to you.

In all reality, Turner is a great talent, but I don't see him as much better than Betts who is an URFA.



First of all, i said it was just my opinion smart azz!!:loser Secondly, All it will cost them to get Turner is a nice contract. I really doubt that SD will put any kind of tag on him considering that they have LT on the roster. So i really doubt that we would have to give up any kind of draft picks. Finally, Betts is not as good as Turner...he does not have the same strength or speed that Turner has. I am sick of picking up RB's that just will not cut it in this offense. It will not surprise me if Dayne and Gado are not on the roster next yr. We really need to stop thinking that just because Denver can turn an unheard of RB into somebody that we will do the same. This yr has been a good example that we...ARE NOT DENVER!! So we need to go after the best available back out there. Which IMO is Turner. Enough said

mexican_texan
11-23-2006, 01:16 AM
The linemen are stinking it up, not the RBs.

Roughnecks
11-23-2006, 01:27 AM
Gado might be back not Dayne for sure I would like to get a FS,S through FA or the draft someone with speed Evans just made them guys look like they ru 5.6 40.

texasguy346
11-23-2006, 01:57 AM
Secondly, All it will cost them to get Turner is a nice contract. I really doubt that SD will put any kind of tag on him considering that they have LT on the roster. So i really doubt that we would have to give up any kind of draft picks.

I believe what YTF is referring to is the fact that Turner is a restricted free agent. The Chargers don't have to place a tag on him to get draft compensation if he were to sign with another team. They're entitled to make a qualifying offer to Turner, and if he was to sign with another team for more money the Chargers would have the right to either match the deal & keep Turner or not match the offer and receive draft pick compensation corresponding to the original qualifying offer they made.

I believe there are three levels low, mid, and high. If I recall correctly a low or minimum level tender would entitle the Chargers to a draft pick in the round Turner was originally drafted in. A mid level would give them both a 1st and a 3rd round pick, and a high would give them two 1st round picks (not so sure on the high one). Cak or aj know the ins and outs of all that better than I do. The only way we could get Turner w/o giving up any draft picks would be if San Diego didn't even make a qualifying offer to Turner which I would think is unlikely.

dat_boy_yec
11-23-2006, 09:36 AM
All the FA's that have been mentioned are the sexy picks. Coming from winning franchises and big name players. I don't think it's necessary to pick up one of those guys to get better, sure it would be nice, but looking at our D our biggest need is in the secondary and at DT. In the secondary we only need one player either at the safety or CB position not both. A ball hawking FS would make life easier for our CB's and vise versa. DT's on the other hand are always better in pairs. 1st off Payne is really getting up there in age so a replacement for him should be found second TJ just isn't living up to his potential and it doesn't look like he'll be able to reach it. So while we need upgrades at one position in the secondary both our DT's need upgrading so I would make this a priority. I would say that our best bet would be Terdell Sands of the Oakland Raiders. He's in his fifth yr. so he's still young he's currently the back-up DT, but I think he could start for us. He's 6'7'' and 335 lbs. He should be a force in the middle and tall enough to get up and bat passes down.

YoungTexanFan
11-23-2006, 09:48 AM
First of all, i said it was just my opinion smart azz!!:loser Secondly, All it will cost them to get Turner is a nice contract. I really doubt that SD will put any kind of tag on him considering that they have LT on the roster. So i really doubt that we would have to give up any kind of draft picks. Finally, Betts is not as good as Turner...he does not have the same strength or speed that Turner has. I am sick of picking up RB's that just will not cut it in this offense. It will not surprise me if Dayne and Gado are not on the roster next yr. We really need to stop thinking that just because Denver can turn an unheard of RB into somebody that we will do the same. This yr has been a good example that we...ARE NOT DENVER!! So we need to go after the best available back out there. Which IMO is Turner. Enough said

No one is going to argue that Turner is probally the best back available.

SD will put a tag on him, and to assume they won't is foolish. He is one of the best hidden RB's in the league and SD doesn't want to let him go. They have stated that before. He will recieve the highest tender from them which isn't much as far as money goes, but no team will give that much for him. Edge and Alexander couldn't even get a 2nd round pick.

No, we are not Denver, but yes, we use the same system and philosophy. It's not our RB's that are sucking it up right now, it's our linemen. I agree our RB's could be upgraded, but Betts has a very powerfull, quick, initial burst through the first level. That is what this system asks of a RB. Get through the first level quickly by finding the open zone.

YoungTexanFan
11-23-2006, 09:50 AM
for got to add this: :loser

Insideop
11-23-2006, 02:25 PM
All the FA's that have been mentioned are the sexy picks. Coming from winning franchises and big name players. I don't think it's necessary to pick up one of those guys to get better, sure it would be nice, but looking at our D our biggest need is in the secondary and at DT. In the secondary we only need one player either at the safety or CB position not both. A ball hawking FS would make life easier for our CB's and vise versa. DT's on the other hand are always better in pairs. 1st off Payne is really getting up there in age so a replacement for him should be found second TJ just isn't living up to his potential and it doesn't look like he'll be able to reach it. So while we need upgrades at one position in the secondary both our DT's need upgrading so I would make this a priority. I would say that our best bet would be Terdell Sands of the Oakland Raiders. He's in his fifth yr. so he's still young he's currently the back-up DT, but I think he could start for us. He's 6'7'' and 335 lbs. He should be a force in the middle and tall enough to get up and bat passes down.

I doubt Payne ever plays for this team again. Same for Wiergert on offense. Both are old and it will take too much for them to come back from their injuries IMO. We are thin on both lines and should go after help in both FA and the draft.

I think I've read/heard some things on Sands and he could be someone we need to target during Free Agency. My only question is, why is he still a back up after 5 years? Also, I heard (probably on this MB) that DT will be thin in this years draft, so maybe we do need to look at DT in FA a little harder. If we don't get one in FA, that means we have to get one early in the draft (1st or 2nd rd), or we'll be stuck picking up the leftovers off the street.

I would also like to see us get a DB (Clements or Samuel would be nice) and LB (Briggs or Thomas would do really nice) in FA. If you can fill one or both of these positions with a quality player, it will go a long way in helping the team and really narrow down the targets for the draft. JMHO!

mexican_texan
11-23-2006, 03:52 PM
Adalius Thomas would be sweet. He's the definition of versatile, he's lined up at pretty much every defensive position.

jgl35
11-23-2006, 04:06 PM
houston will have to overpay every FA for the next couple years, unless they are a home town guy, like Michael Lewis, now that would be a good pick up for the texans


i thought that lewis and dawkins were both FA after this season, or is it next season?

Dawkins resigned. Lewis is a UFA after the season and is probably gone. Lost starting job. Also has not really played well for the past two seasons.
If you are looking for a reliable CB who would not break the bank and would be signable, Rod Hood of the Eagles. Also very good special team player. A better player then some might think.

YoungTexanFan
11-23-2006, 06:59 PM
Dawkins resigned. Lewis is a UFA after the season and is probably gone. Lost starting job. Also has not really played well for the past two seasons.
If you are looking for a reliable CB who would not break the bank and would be signable, Rod Hood of the Eagles. Also very good special team player. A better player then some might think.

Good post.

I myself have not started looking too deeplying to the various FA options. I know the bigger name guys right now, but will certinaly know the rest by the time they aren't resigned. Good call on the Eagles CB.

YoungTexanFan
11-23-2006, 07:08 PM
I doubt Payne ever plays for this team again. Same for Wiergert on offense. Both are old and it will take too much for them to come back from their injuries IMO. We are thin on both lines and should go after help in both FA and the draft.
I also doubt that either of those two play. We lose nothing in Weigert as far as I'm concerned. Winston will be fine, and if we draft a real LT this year, Spencer and Winston will have a great battle for RT with the loser playing RG. That upgrades 3 positions with 1 pick. Cool huh?


I think I've read/heard some things on Sands and he could be someone we need to target during Free Agency. My only question is, why is he still a back up after 5 years? Also, I heard (probably on this MB) that DT will be thin in this years draft, so maybe we do need to look at DT in FA a little harder. If we don't get one in FA, that means we have to get one early in the draft (1st or 2nd rd), or we'll be stuck picking up the leftovers off the street.


Sands simply hasn't done anything with his size. He is a huge guy, but has yet to produce like he could. I don't know enough about him to call it laziness, inability, or poor coaching...but it is the Raiders, so I'll put an emphasis on all of them.

We don't have the luxury of drafting first day DT's. We have too many other holes to fill. I am ok with a starting line of Mario-Weaver-Maddox or whoever-Babin. I think that group is fine is we upgrade our LB's and DB's.

The DT talent isn't super thin, there just won't be any Okams or studs like that available on the second day. There will be plenty of solid DT's available though.

However, you know we as an organization have failed if we go into next season with Orr and Faggins as starters.

dat_boy_yec
11-23-2006, 07:34 PM
I dunno why you are so insistent with drafting a tackle high in the draft. Spencer was doing a good job before Dayne took him out, but regardless the guys have proven themselves at their positions. So they shouldn't be shuffled. Depending on how Spencers injury comes along we might not take a lineman the first day. Aside from that we only need depth on the interior to groom behind McKinney and Flannagan. Our line has been doing fine so far this yr. and theres no reason to think that with the starter (Spencer)coming back next yr. they won't improve.

Are you kidding me. I don't get why everybody's so down on Faggins. The guys a solid DB. However he is not our top CB he should have never been matched up on Lee. Also, our Safeties were burned badly on those passes as well. I would like a CB as well, but since our secondary has improved since he came back our defense has improved, I don't think he's the weak link in the secondary. Simmons on the other hand is easily upgraded as well as Brown's cover skills. Get a ball hawking FS and you make life easier on your CB's.

Did you watch Orr this weekend. 6 tackles and a gravity defying leap to get the sack. The guy is solid, we don't need superstars at every position. We can get by with our LB crew. Upgrades would be nice, but not 1st day expenses.

DT is one of our biggest needs. It's been discussed that stats aren't everything. Our DT's never get enough push to consider it consistent. When we run stunts they clog up the lane for the DE's. The position is so bad we play our DE's there on a regular basis to say this isn't our biggest area of concern is IMO wrong. When TJ was in he never inspired hope in me or showed streaks of being above avg. Sands may not be great, but the guy will be solid and even if we get him we still need to draft someone to pair up with him. However getting Sands or any other solid DT takes pressure off us to have to take one in the first rd. DT and FS are our biggest needs everything else is secondary.

Maddict5
11-23-2006, 07:41 PM
Actually, Samuels and Briggs are likely to become FA's.

NE does not want to shell out the money to resign Samuels and many major sports outlets are reporting the same thing.

Briggs is almost garentueed out of Chicago. Chicago is going to be struggling to resign all their young defensive talent very soon. Briggs is expendable because he is overhyped. He will want more than Chicago will pay. He will be a FA.

we'll see...id take that bet that both wont go anywhere though especially samuel

ccdude730
11-23-2006, 09:47 PM
a couple guys of guys i want to watch (besides the usual big name guys):


-ken hamlin from the seahawks (FS)
a position just as important as CB

-roc alexander from denver (CB)
someone im sure kubiak and the GM are looking at if clements or samuels fall through

-nick goings from the panthers (RB)
big back who is probably out of the mix in carolina but can still produce

LORK 88
11-23-2006, 09:51 PM
-roc alexander from denver (CB)
someone im sure kubiak and the GM are looking at if clements or samuels fall through
Check our IR on the roster page, we picked him up before he was injured the very 1st game of the season

HJam72
11-23-2006, 09:56 PM
-ken hamlin from the seahawks (FS)
a position just as important as CB



It might be more important in some situations and I think we're at that point. We need an experienced safety on the field and a corner in the draft.

ccdude730
11-23-2006, 09:59 PM
Check our IR on the roster page, we picked him up before he was injured the very 1st game of the season

lol oooops. i remember hearing his name earlier this season and i guess that was why

i guess i should look these things up and pay attention before i start posting

LORK 88
11-23-2006, 10:39 PM
lol oooops. i remember hearing his name earlier this season and i guess that was why

i guess i should look these things up and pay attention before i start posting
No worries, the site that has these posted (Football's Future) didnt update that. I actually heard alot of good things about Alexander, heard he fell out of favor becuase of all the young talent. Hopefully he can make a full recovery and be ready for next season.

Honoring Earl 34
11-23-2006, 10:48 PM
You know i don't care who we sign as long as he can play and not a former Bronco .

YoungTexanFan
11-23-2006, 10:56 PM
I dunno why you are so insistent with drafting a tackle high in the draft. Spencer was doing a good job before Dayne took him out, but regardless the guys have proven themselves at their positions. So they shouldn't be shuffled. Depending on how Spencers injury comes along we might not take a lineman the first day. Aside from that we only need depth on the interior to groom behind McKinney and Flannagan. Our line has been doing fine so far this yr. and theres no reason to think that with the starter (Spencer)coming back next yr. they won't improve.

I am so insistent on drafting a true LT in the first round because I believe we still do not have a LT on our roster. Spencer is a fine player, but not a LT IMO. I like Spencer, but on the right side, either as a RT or RG.

I know we probally won't draft a franchise LT this year nor any other year because we like to pick 353 pound converted DT's and place them on Carr's blindside which has been sacked more anyone in the league's history. To put it simply, I don't trust Spencer as our LT. He is a good player yes, but not good enough to be our LT IMO. I'll eat my crow if need be, but 4 games or w/e he played doesn't prove anything to me.


Are you kidding me. I don't get why everybody's so down on Faggins. The guys a solid DB. However he is not our top CB he should have never been matched up on Lee. Also, our Safeties were burned badly on those passes as well. I would like a CB as well, but since our secondary has improved since he came back our defense has improved, I don't think he's the weak link in the secondary. Simmons on the other hand is easily upgraded as well as Brown's cover skills. Get a ball hawking FS and you make life easier on your CB's.

I have always been down on Faggins. I've never liked him and have stated that before. It's my opinion that he's not capable of playing in the NFL and nothing he has ever done has begun to change that opinion.

I agree that we need a FS badly, but we have SOOO many holes to fill where we need elite talent that we are going to have to pick our posion. The FS's in this draft aren't really anything special period. There are some very talented JR. CB's that could change things and you will see them listed in another thread I started. However, say those JR's don't declare...which posion do you pick?

I do not credit our defense's resurgance to Faggins comeback. I credit it to Smith pulling his head out of his *** as well as off the chopping block. We finally started to play like he told us we would, and look what happened. We got good pressure on the QB and capitalized as well as catching many lucky breaks from the opposing QB's each week like Lefty trying to do the splits and throw.



Did you watch Orr this weekend. 6 tackles and a gravity defying leap to get the sack. The guy is solid, we don't need superstars at every position. We can get by with our LB crew. Upgrades would be nice, but not 1st day expenses.

I did watch Orr this weekend, he played average to above average. Have you watched Orr in any other games this year?

When Morlon Greenwood is obviously better than your other OLB, there is a problem. Orr has not played well at all this year and you can attribute that to many things including him not trasitioning well to the 4-3, him playing too close to the LOS, him coming back to earth, him not having the abilities to play how Smith has assigned him...but you can probally make your own assumptions and guesses just as well as I can.

Then, you don't want us to upgrade our LBs? You really feel comfortable with Greenwood and Orr flanking our defense next year again? If you are foolish enough to believe that then I truely fear you because a foolish man can not be mad afraid. Nobody is suggesting we use our 1st round pick on a LB, there is FA as well as the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Look at guys like Blades, Davis, Conor past the 1st round.

DT is one of our biggest needs. It's been discussed that stats aren't everything. Our DT's never get enough push to consider it consistent. When we run stunts they clog up the lane for the DE's. The position is so bad we play our DE's there on a regular basis to say this isn't our biggest area of concern is IMO wrong. When TJ was in he never inspired hope in me or showed streaks of being above avg. Sands may not be great, but the guy will be solid and even if we get him we still need to draft someone to pair up with him. However getting Sands or any other solid DT takes pressure off us to have to take one in the first rd. DT and FS are our biggest needs everything else is secondary.

Yes, DT is a need but so is almost every other position on our team. Injuries and busts have decimated this line, but I do not rank this as an immediate concern. I think a later round depth pick will be sufice for this year.

TJ never showed anyone anything so you are not making some new discovery that can only be compared to Newton's laws or the like. We still have Weaver and are able to use a rotation of guys to fill in at the other 1 DT spot. It may not be the superstar your looking and hoping to find in the first round or two like we tried with TJ, but it will be sufice. We have more pressing needs that need to be addressed. It is Richard Smith's job to work with his peronel to run a scheme to perfection. If we don't have the perfect guy for a certian stunt, don't run it. Sometimes, even when everything is set up perfectly for us, the other team will win. Their O-lines are paid to stop our D-lines, and frankly, sometimes they will win regardless of who is playing on our line.

Don't believe me? Pick your 4 best D-linemen in the NFL and we'll assume they aren't injured and are about to play the absolute best game of their lives'. I'll go with Freeny, Henderson, Stroud, Peppers and hell, I'll even add Mario as a rotaion for any position.

Now, I want you to tell me honestly that you believe these 5 men, in any combination, will never go a single play without a sack, knockdown, hurry, FF or TFL. I want you to tell me that the 4 or 5 best D-linemen you can pick, can't ever be beaten.

Koolbrz
11-24-2006, 12:01 AM
No one is going to argue that Turner is probally the best back available.

SD will put a tag on him, and to assume they won't is foolish. He is one of the best hidden RB's in the league and SD doesn't want to let him go. They have stated that before. He will recieve the highest tender from them which isn't much as far as money goes, but no team will give that much for him. Edge and Alexander couldn't even get a 2nd round pick.

No, we are not Denver, but yes, we use the same system and philosophy. It's not our RB's that are sucking it up right now, it's our linemen. I agree our RB's could be upgraded, but Betts has a very powerfull, quick, initial burst through the first level. That is what this system asks of a RB. Get through the first level quickly by finding the open zone.



It does not matter what SD wants to do. It's what Turner wants to do. He is in the same situation that Chester Taylor was in last yr. He does not want to be a back-up for the next 4-5 yrs behind LT. He will be changing teams this coming yr. and we be an excellent addition to whomever picks him up. Hopefully, it will be the Texans. This offense needs a player of his caliber. Things will be so much better for the team. The O-line is starting to play somewhat better and will get a shot in the arm when Spencer comes back. Winston is a work in progress with lots of potential. Make a couple of wise decisions on a couple of FA's or a couple of more rook's and we should be fine on offense. Same with our defense. I look forward to next yr. Things are only getting better. Especially, if we pick up Turner...Why go after the 2nd best when you can possibly get the best FA at that position. Great running game= better opportunities to go down field in the passing game.

dat_boy_yec
11-24-2006, 12:16 AM
I guess we differ in opinion as far as LT is concerned. Salaam and Winston couldn't beat out Spencer when he was healthy and they have done a good job of protecting Carr this yr. I would have to believe that Spencer a rookie neither of these guys could beat for the starting spot would give us a better talent there. Is he a Pace or Jones type LT. Maybe not, but considering the schemes we run he doesn't have to be. I don't see us taking a LT on the first day because it's not a need. Winston was a first rd. LT talent when he was evaluated before the draft yet he was beat out by Spencer, there's no reason to bring in someone that might or might not get the starting spot.

I won't try to dissuade you of your opinion of Faggins. However as far as picking your poison we have talent that's injured that could help when healthy at CB. Sanders was doing a good job and Alexander never got his chance to show what he had due to injury. We have talent and depth there, maybe not elite, but safety we don't. Earl and Brown are both SS's Simmons is not enough to get us by at FS. We get a FS and we help out our secondary. Moreso than a CB because a ball-hawking FS could act as our 3rd CB and roll to whatever side to help CB's.

What is Greenwoods problem. Shedding blockers, maybe if our D-line kept the linemen off him he would be able to make more plays same with Orr. The interior of our D-line is really bad, I just don't get how you don't see that's the bigger need. I didn't say I wouldn't want an upgrade @ LB, but I think that's not one of our pressing needs.

YoungTexanFan
11-24-2006, 12:19 AM
It does not matter what SD wants to do. It's what Turner wants to do.

It does matter what SD wants to do and it doesn't matter what Turner wants to do. He can run for 500 yards each game from here on out and he will still be a RFA. It's not Turner's choice.

YoungTexanFan
11-24-2006, 12:28 AM
I guess we differ in opinion as far as LT is concerned. Salaam and Winston couldn't beat out Spencer when he was healthy and they have done a good job of protecting Carr this yr. I would have to believe that Spencer a rookie neither of these guys could beat for the starting spot would give us a better talent there. Is he a Pace or Jones type LT. Maybe not, but considering the schemes we run he doesn't have to be. I don't see us taking a LT on the first day because it's not a need. Winston was a first rd. LT talent when he was evaluated before the draft yet he was beat out by Spencer, there's no reason to bring in someone that might or might not get the starting spot.

I won't try to dissuade you of your opinion of Faggins. However as far as picking your poison we have talent that's injured that could help when healthy at CB. Sanders was doing a good job and Alexander never got his chance to show what he had due to injury. We have talent and depth there, maybe not elite, but safety we don't. Earl and Brown are both SS's Simmons is not enough to get us by at FS. We get a FS and we help out our secondary. Moreso than a CB because a ball-hawking FS could act as our 3rd CB and roll to whatever side to help CB's.

What is Greenwoods problem. Shedding blockers, maybe if our D-line kept the linemen off him he would be able to make more plays same with Orr. The interior of our D-line is really bad, I just don't get how you don't see that's the bigger need. I didn't say I wouldn't want an upgrade @ LB, but I think that's not one of our pressing needs.


Winston was being weaned into a role because of his knee injury and physical limitations. He has taken over and won't give it up. There are questions about arm lenghth, but eh. I see him as a better LT than Spencer. I see Spencer as a mauler more suited to RG than anything else that maybe thats just me.


Here is another thing: I don't view Daunta as a #1 CB anymore. I see him as a #2 CB. He is playing #1, but I see him better as a #2. I can't argue with the posion you chose, but I'd chose CB help first because they have the most chance to make that play. I think a true shutdown CB like Revis or Cason would be best for our secondary for where we are slotted to pick. If we end up close to 15, I guess I could live with reaching for Landry a little. Either way, we need help at both places, but I feel we need a true CB more.

Those are stunts and designed run plays that move the O-line to the second level. Our OLB's have not shown any ability to shed blockers or make a decision as to run/pass. They seem like their feet are cemented into the ground until the RB is at the LOS and that is just poor play. Greenwood is average at best as far as NFL LB's go, but Orr is below that standard. I feel having two weak links who should be, as a unit, making the good majority of our tackles, is a more previlant issue than only having one clearly defined starting DT. I feel a rotation of guys at DT will sufice more than a rotation of guys at both OLB's.

Again, our opinions may just varry, but this is how I feel.

phan1
11-24-2006, 02:55 AM
Adalius Thomas would be really great for our team. But I'm with the general consensus of building through the draft and avoiding high-profile FAs. They're usually just not worth the money. I would like a really good veteran of D, who would kind of be the Moulds of our offense.

Koolbrz
11-24-2006, 11:08 AM
It does matter what SD wants to do and it doesn't matter what Turner wants to do. He can run for 500 yards each game from here on out and he will still be a RFA. It's not Turner's choice.


Simply put...TURNER DOES NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT ANYTHING THE CHARGERS THROW AT HIM!!! He will be playing somewhere else this coming yr. So like i said...It's what Turner wants to do!! He wants the big money, the Starting job, and a chance to be a great RB in this league. I dont see him staying in SD. at least not with LT on the roster. His time will never come if he stays there, at least not as a back-up.

mexican_texan
11-24-2006, 11:30 AM
Simply put...TURNER DOES NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT ANYTHING THE CHARGERS THROW AT HIM!!! He will be playing somewhere else this coming yr. So like i said...It's what Turner wants to do!! He wants the big money, the Starting job, and a chance to be a great RB in this league. I dont see him staying in SD. at least not with LT on the roster. His time will never come if he stays there, at least not as a back-up.
Turner has to accept it. He has no choice

Insideop
11-24-2006, 10:58 PM
Adalius Thomas would be really great for our team. But I'm with the general consensus of building through the draft and avoiding high-profile FAs. They're usually just not worth the money. I would like a really good veteran of D, who would kind of be the Moulds of our offense.

I agree with building through the draft, but at this point in time, with so many holes to fill, I don't think we have much choice than to use both FA and the draft to build this team. Besides, I think Kubiak and his staff did pretty well in the last FA period. Look who we got, Moulds, Weaver, Flanagan, Salaam among others. I know most of them are not long term answers, but they fill the gap and give us some depth until we are able to draft for depth at those positions. That is how teams are able to turn around quickly from losing to winning. Look at N.O. Hopefully, we'll get our team turned around quickly too. Maybe next year! JMHO!

dbspi
11-25-2006, 02:33 AM
Nice article By Len Pasquarelli on 2007 FA

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2674183

jonO_miller
11-25-2006, 02:49 PM
I was just reading the column Len Pasquarelli put up at espn.com and it was about possible free agents next year. It said how the new cap is going to be at an all time high $109 million. I figuerd the texans would jump on some people and some good ads would be...... CB Nate Clements (Buffalo),WLB Lance Briggs (Chicago), SLB Adalius Thomas (Baltimore) I'm not sure which side we need a new lb on but either would be good right? OG Eric Steinbach (Cincinnati) i'm picking him over OG Kris Dielman (San Diego) only because Eric is 290 and I know Gary likes his o-line to be less weight so they can move faster in our zone blocking scheme. FS Deon Grant (Jacksonville) SS Michael Lewis (Philadelphia) New safties never hurt right? Thats about it 2 others would be Daniel Graham at TE and Kevin Curtis. I'm not saying we would get all of these people. But i'm sure anyone would agree just about all of these people would be an upgrade to their current postion on our team.

TheRealJoker
11-25-2006, 07:36 PM
Does anyone know much about Steinbach? Who here thinks if we sign him and either play him or Pitts at RG we would be much better off than if we just kept the Pitts/Weary OG combo?

Basically we could have a lineup like this:

Spencer/Steinbach/Flanagan/Pitts/Winston

Spencer/Pitts/Flanagan/Steinbach/Winston

I personally think we could use the depth a quality lineman like Steinbach could provide by pushing either Pitts or Weary out of the starting lineup.

edo783
11-26-2006, 01:08 AM
I doubt Steinbach actually hits the market, but if he did, he is certainly worth a look. Personally, I would like a solid center that has 5-7 years experience. Not sure if any such might be available though. Flannigan seems to be on his last legs to me.

TheRealJoker
11-26-2006, 10:40 AM
I doubt Steinbach actually hits the market, but if he did, he is certainly worth a look. Personally, I would like a solid center that has 5-7 years experience. Not sure if any such might be available though. Flannigan seems to be on his last legs to me.

Imo, we should draft a guy that can play both guard and center, then cut loose Mckinney (if we sign Steinbach)

TheIronDuke
11-26-2006, 02:55 PM
My question is what about the Houston Texans would attract a big-name FA? Sure, we have a nice facility and all, but a lot of players choose to go to the team with the best chance of winning.

Of course, I'm posting this while watching the Jets game, but it still makes me think about why a high-priced FA would choose the Texans over the many different suitors they would have their choice of.

I think the best thing we have going for us is that we don't have a state income tax, other than that, I just don't know unless someone has an absolute burning desire to play for Kubiak.