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HomeBred_Texan
11-20-2006, 11:34 AM
Let's talk about his future....

Does he even have one with the Texans? I was totally upset over his coverage in the 1st quarter letting JP go 3 for 3, 187 yards and 2 TD's.

Was there some special D play called that left him out there like a VW trying to cover a Porche? He certainly didn't get the job done and was wondering if he is still a starter or did he have an injury that I don't know about.

He was made to look like a clown on those plays... :joker:

YoungTexanFan
11-20-2006, 11:37 AM
Let's talk about his future....

Does he even have one with the Texans? I was totally upset over his coverage in the 1st quarter letting JP go 3 for 3, 187 yards and 2 TD's.

Was there some special D play called that left him out there like a VW trying to cover a Porche? He certainly didn't get the job done and was wondering if he is still a starter or did he have an injury that I don't know about.

He was made to look like a clown on those plays... :joker:

He still has a starter spot on this team somehow, but he would be hard pressed to be a nickle on any other team. I've been saying this same thing since before TC. He is slow, with some of the slowest hips I've ever seen at the professional level and he seems defiant to turn his head for the ball. I rate his tackling as average at best and he is extremely overrated by almost all of our fans.

My stance on him hasn't changed and will not change.

nunusguy
11-20-2006, 11:38 AM
Some of the blame for those long bombs that Faggins gave up has to taken
by the coaching staff. The one play in particular, Faggins got no help from the
safety, and this Evans is obviously very fast. One on one, D-Rob would have had his hands full with that guy. I imagine those big plays surprised the coachs as much as Faggins ?

HomeBred_Texan
11-20-2006, 11:45 AM
Some of the blame for those long bombs that Faggins gave up has to taken
by the coaching staff. The one play in particular, Faggins got no help from the
safety, and this Evans is obviously very fast. One on one, D-Rob would have had his hands full with that guy. I imagine those big plays surprised the coachs as much as Faggins ?

Now wait a minute. Surprised? Not when you throw at him 3 times in a row and complete all 3 and 2 go for TD's. Let's call a Joker a Joker. I don't want to sugar coat any of this. His play was horrible at best. That was 14 ding dang points on just 3 pass plays. He got burnt from start to finish...

Scottyboy
11-20-2006, 11:51 AM
I agree 110% Faggins is horrible. His name says it all! ha ha ha!!

He should be a dime back if anything! :snobord:

Brandon420tx
11-20-2006, 01:04 PM
http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=30901

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ccdude730
11-20-2006, 01:25 PM
personally i thought he did horrible to start the game, but did alot better as they decided to roll coverage on evans side. that coupled with losman trying to force the ball into his receiver, petey got his hand on a few balls (he should have caught those).

good plays by the bills though. im not ready to demote him though. his biggest weakness is speed and you expect teams to try and take advantage of it.

Kaiser Toro
11-20-2006, 01:29 PM
Faggins is a good nickle back. He got burned, but he also got better as the game went on in my opinion. The secondary was going to be an issue for this team, this year. Once we draft or bring in FA's Petey will fit in nicley as the nickle. We are not breaking the bank on him.

run-david-run
11-20-2006, 02:23 PM
you allow a corner with average to below average speed to go one on one with one of the fastest guys in the NFL and thats what happens. I knew Evans was fast and Petey wasnt long before the first quarter, I fail to understand how the coaching staff didnt.

Hervoyel
11-20-2006, 02:38 PM
Faggins is a starter here because everyone else we have with the possible exception of Dunta Robinson is worse. Faggins is a good nickle as Kaiser Toro stated. On a team with two legitimate corners he's nothing more than that and depth. He'll pull a good game out of his pocket for you when pressed into service but he isn't an everyday starter unless you send your best CB packing and trade for Phillip Buchanon. Then you have to start Petey.

As for the idea that he needs to be demoted or even cut I think that's laughable. What else do we have back there? We got nothing past Dunta and Petey. We need a free agent CB badly in the upcoming off-season. I don't want to even entertain thoughts of a rookie opposite Dunta. That's a recipie for disaster IMO. The biggest problem we have in our secondary (aside from our only having one starting CB) is a huge lack of veteran leadership. We need someone back there who can still play but who's got the experience that the rest of them are lacking. Dunta played best when Aaron Glenn was starting opposite him. Faggins played better with Glenn here.

We need a veteran CB badly.

Texan_Bill
11-20-2006, 02:42 PM
There is no question that our secondary is suspect, at best. I would not go as far as calling Faggins horrible, although he had a horrible day, I do think he is best suited as nickle....

But hey, we all knew that going into this season, but at least we have a couple of bright spots in Ryans, Williams and the signing of Weaver.

dtran04
11-20-2006, 02:43 PM
#1 priority in this free agency has to be a corner. Ideally, someone to take over the #1 spot and leave Dunta at #2. Although it seems like the scheme is based on sides of the field rather than covering specific players.

LORK 88
11-20-2006, 02:47 PM
Faggins is a good nickle back. He got burned, but he also got better as the game went on in my opinion. The secondary was going to be an issue for this team, this year. Once we draft or bring in FA's Petey will fit in nicley as the nickle. We are not breaking the bank on him.
Completely agree, Faggins is a questionable #2/ good #3 CB who plays short to intermediate routes well as I recall he had afew knock downs and almost picked off afew passes. Good depth at CB is hard to come by, and I want him to be our nickel back. There are some good CBs in the draft and FA, and I really think we need to get someone.

Texans_Chick
11-20-2006, 02:49 PM
Faggins is a starter here because everyone else we have with the possible exception of Dunta Robinson is worse. Faggins is a good nickle as Kaiser Toro stated. On a team with two legitimate corners he's nothing more than that and depth. He'll pull a good game out of his pocket for you when pressed into service but he isn't an everyday starter unless you send your best CB packing and trade for Phillip Buchanon. Then you have to start Petey.

As for the idea that he needs to be demoted or even cut I think that's laughable. What else do we have back there? We got nothing past Dunta and Petey. We need a free agent CB badly in the upcoming off-season. I don't want to even entertain thoughts of a rookie opposite Dunta. That's a recipie for disaster IMO. The biggest problem we have in our secondary (aside from our only having one starting CB) is a huge lack of veteran leadership. We need someone back there who can still play but who's got the experience that the rest of them are lacking. Dunta played best when Aaron Glenn was starting opposite him. Faggins played better with Glenn here.

We need a veteran CB badly.

Yup. Lots of needs on defense.

Faggins is who we thought he was.

No sense putting him on an island two times in a row with no safety help. You can't run schemes wishin your personnel was better than it is.

TEXANS84
11-20-2006, 03:02 PM
Oddly enough, both spolight players featured by the Chronicle this week were missing in action this weekend: Faggins/Daniels.

Demarcus just got flatout burned both times by Evans.

Blake
11-20-2006, 03:42 PM
Everyone is so ready to Rip and burn Faggins. What about the Safety? There is no reason Evans should go for a TD if the safety's dont let them get behind them.

Did you see the angles they had to take to try and catch Evans? It wasnt a straight line. It was a curve.

You expect Faggins to cover him 40 yards down field and make sure he doesnt cut back to the ball for 10 yards.

NOBODY ON THIS BOARD IS EVERY HAPPY. Every loss we get 50,000 "off with their heads" posts, and I am damn sick of it.

eriadoc
11-20-2006, 04:12 PM
Faggins is what he has always been - a hard worker who does what the coaches ask within his limitations. He can't run with Lee Evans and the coaching staff should have known this. If Faggins and Sanders are the team's fourth and fifth CBs next year, things will be looking up. That's not a knock on Faggins - he's just not starter material.

Second Honeymoon
11-20-2006, 04:21 PM
Faggins arrival helped energize this defense when he came back from injury. He had a bad 1st quarter but lets not be so fast to throw him under the bus over 2 horrible plays. He is better than the alternative and is arguable a better cover guy than Burnta (who had a great game for the most part and has shown signs of life lately).

I blame the lack of pass rush on our inability to put teams away when it counts. We need to pick up a veteran CB or star caliber FS in the offseason via FA and we need to draft DE or pass rushing OLB (Gaines anyone?) with our 1st round pick. Then go for a CB in the 2nd round and try and pick up value in the rest of the rounds.

doug ftw

Second Honeymoon
11-20-2006, 04:23 PM
Yup. Lots of needs on defense.

Faggins is who we thought he was.

No sense putting him on an island two times in a row with no safety help. You can't run schemes wishin your personnel was better than it is.

lawl

HomeBred_Texan
11-20-2006, 05:50 PM
Everyone is so ready to Rip and burn Faggins. What about the Safety? There is no reason Evans should go for a TD if the safety's dont let them get behind them.

Did you see the angles they had to take to try and catch Evans? It wasnt a straight line. It was a curve.

You expect Faggins to cover him 40 yards down field and make sure he doesnt cut back to the ball for 10 yards.

NOBODY ON THIS BOARD IS EVERY HAPPY. Every loss we get 50,000 "off with their heads" posts, and I am damn sick of it.

Give me a break. I never said off with his head. I asked about his "future" with the Texans. So I guess you were happy with this loss and the play of Faggins?

LORK 88
11-20-2006, 05:50 PM
Everyone is so ready to Rip and burn Faggins. What about the Safety? There is no reason Evans should go for a TD if the safety's dont let them get behind them.

Did you see the angles they had to take to try and catch Evans? It wasnt a straight line. It was a curve.

You expect Faggins to cover him 40 yards down field and make sure he doesnt cut back to the ball for 10 yards.

NOBODY ON THIS BOARD IS EVER HAPPY. Every loss we get 50,000 "off with their heads" posts, and I am damn sick of it.
Earl couldve taken a better angle I'll admit, but thats still no excuse for Faggins getting burned so bad. BTW, i label myself an optimist, but you cant say Faggins was playing as best as he could've. Also, We cut 50,000 heads every loss and 25,000 every win so I guess its expected, sadly, if only there was something we could do . . . :bowser: