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Texans_Chick
11-19-2006, 11:09 PM
Are worth a read. Better than saying "what were they thinking when they did this" blahdity blah.

Link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=3117&section=N%20Latest%20News)

Kubiak is very straightforward in talking about his play calling. Remarkably so:

(on the third and short play and choosing to throw the ball) “I think it was third and two, something like that, I don’t know exactly, but we felt like they would come after us and they did. We max protected and we got our best player one-on-one on a slant route. We’ve got to make the play. Without looking at it, it looks like the ball was up high. In that situation right there, you sit here and second guess yourself about running the ball right there because we ran the ball well all day, but I’ll take Andre Johnson one-on-one against anybody in this league for a chance to win the game on a slant route. We just have to step up and make the protection, make the throw and make the catch.”

(on running the ball so well) “We did some different things running the ball. We started the game with back-to-back reverses just to try to let them know and loosen them up a little bit. We had a shovel to (WR) Andre (Johnson) one time and had a flip to (WR) Kevin (Walter) on a big fourth down play. We did some different things in the running game and I think it helped us as far as our base running game. Just looking at it here, we had 27 carries for 180 yards. If that happens and you’re looking at that, you probably ought to have 40 carries there and we don’t. That is on me. We probably should have run the ball a lot more.”

Runner
11-19-2006, 11:14 PM
I've already read it. Not bad.

I don't have a huge problem with "the play call". A well thrown ball would have been successful; it was poorly exectuted. A run would have been safer since the clock would have continued to run. We lost the game on far more than just that play though.

I'm glad to see Kubiak taking responsibility; I'd still like to see him make the necessary changes after admitting some mistakes. I sure don't want him to get too conservative to do anything though.

This team has losing attitude. They don't seem to give up when the going gets rough anymore, but they do seem to tilt toward losing when the game is in question.

Texans_Chick
11-19-2006, 11:30 PM
I've already read it. Not bad.

I don't have a huge problem with "the play call". A well thrown ball would have been successful; it was poorly exectuted. A run would have been safer since the clock would have continued to run. We lost the game on far more than just that play though.

I'm glad to see Kubiak taking responsibility; I'd still like to see him make the necessary changes after admitting some mistakes. I sure don't want him to get too conservative to do anything though.

This team has losing attitude. They don't seem to give up when the going gets rough anymore, but they do seem to tilt toward losing when the game is in question.


I didn't care for "the play call" at all. Not because it didn't work, but because I think they could have gotten the 2 yards running.

I would have liked to see more runs. Not to be conservative, but it wasn't like the late game throws were doing much. What's up with huge run numbers in the first half, and skinny ones the second?

A few things here or there, the game goes the other way. And the post totals go down here.

run-david-run
11-19-2006, 11:39 PM
i think the throw iteself wasnt that bad, except that AJ was already going down to avoid getting creamed by Fletcher. Carr was throwing it to where AJ could catch it had he been running a regular route, but running directly into a linebacker, that was a dangerous throw. yet another example of bad communication and missed opportunities.

West Texas Texan
11-19-2006, 11:57 PM
3rd and 2, 1:20 left to play, bad play selection. A running play takes at least 30 seconds off the clock, or makes the Bills take a time out. Bills get the ball back with only 45-50 seconds. An incomplete pass at that critical spot, saved the Bills at least 4 pass plays, which they needed to move down the field to score.

Poor clock management. Plain and simple. That's on Kubiak and Sherman.

Also, we had two and three linebackers on the field during that last drive. Why? Did we think they were going to run the ball with less than a minute left?

eriadoc
11-20-2006, 12:03 AM
Honestly, I thought the series after D-Rob's TD was more of a tone-setter. Robinson scored, the team kicked off to the Bills, and then got them off the field. The Texans got the ball back with about 8:40 left in the 4th quarter. From that point on, it just seemed like they were super cautious and content to maintain a 4-pt. lead. It was very frustrating. I want to be able to see the offense give the defense some time to rest there and I want to see a concerted effort to score points. Instead, I got to see a failed series with one of my favorite plays - a draw for lost yardage.

The 3rd & 2 play lends itself to obvious second-guessing, but I felt a couple series early to midway through the 4th quarter really lacked aggressiveness in play calling and really felt like Capers-ball. It was not a good feeling.

NATHANHALE
11-20-2006, 12:30 AM
Honestly, I thought the series after D-Rob's TD was more of a tone-setter. Robinson scored, the team kicked off to the Bills, and then got them off the field. The Texans got the ball back with about 8:40 left in the 4th quarter. From that point on, it just seemed like they were super cautious and content to maintain a 4-pt. lead. It was very frustrating. I want to be able to see the offense give the defense some time to rest there and I want to see a concerted effort to score points. Instead, I got to see a failed series with one of my favorite plays - a draw for lost yardage.

The 3rd & 2 play lends itself to obvious second-guessing, but I felt a couple series early to midway through the 4th quarter really lacked aggressiveness in play calling and really felt like Capers-ball. It was not a good feeling.

I agree. Our offense did not score the 2nd half, as we 'played not to lose.' We have a history of putting ourselves in these '3rd and 2' situations because we get a small lead and 'sit' on it, going ultra conservative with our play calling. Remember, all those times Capers stressed that the team needed to learn to put people away, but never did....

Kubiak promised he would not coach this way but-instead-would coach to win. Another poster said the play calling for us is the same as it was in Denver, except we don't have the talent. I disagree. I remember the Broncos trying to score every time they had the ball--no way is that the way we are being coached.

...sadly, remember how the Texans-under Capers-use to make 'also-rans' look like all-pros? ...the Harvard QB at St Louis? Now, the Bills come into our stadium and we let Losman beat us again, with an offense and passing attack ranked 31st in the league...some things change, while others stay the same. Capers may be gone, but his style of play is alive and well in Houston....:yahoo: :brickwall :yahoo: :brickwall

Grid
11-20-2006, 12:52 AM
Are worth a read. Better than saying "what were they thinking when they did this" blahdity blah.

Link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=3117&section=N%20Latest%20News)

Kubiak is very straightforward in talking about his play calling. Remarkably so:



(on running the ball so well) “We did some different things running the ball. We started the game with back-to-back reverses just to try to let them know and loosen them up a little bit. We had a shovel to (WR) Andre (Johnson) one time and had a flip to (WR) Kevin (Walter) on a big fourth down play. We did some different things in the running game and I think it helped us as far as our base running game. Just looking at it here, we had 27 carries for 180 yards. If that happens and you’re looking at that, you probably ought to have 40 carries there and we don’t. That is on me. We probably should have run the ball a lot more.”


Great quote.. but hes being a little tough on himself. Yah our running game was doing great.. but lets not forget that Carr also matched the single season completion record.. our passing game wasnt exactly being a slouch either.

Bottom line, our defense had alot more to do with that loss than our offense. The drop by Cook didnt help either.

TexansSeminole
11-20-2006, 01:01 AM
...sadly, remember how the Texans-under Capers-use to make 'also-rans' look like all-pros? ...the Harvard QB at St Louis? Now, the Bills come into our stadium and we let Losman beat us again, with an offense and passing attack ranked 31st in the league...some things change, while others stay the same. Capers may be gone, but his style of play is alive and well in Houston....:yahoo: :brickwall :yahoo: :brickwall

Bro, look at the people in our secondary...

brewhaus
11-20-2006, 04:22 AM
We probably should have run the ball a lot more.”

Yeah.

aj.
11-20-2006, 05:45 AM
3rd and 2, 1:20 left to play, bad play selection. A running play takes at least 30 seconds off the clock, or makes the Bills take a time out. Bills get the ball back with only 45-50 seconds. An incomplete pass at that critical spot, saved the Bills at least 4 pass plays, which they needed to move down the field to score.

Poor clock management. Plain and simple. That's on Kubiak and Sherman.


First (and this has nothing to do with what I'm quoting above), I'm for whatever works. Yeah, the Texans were gashing them in the running game all day and that's probably why the Bills brought nearly everyone up on that play. Kubiak explained why he thought the inside slant to AJ would have worked. Carr was having a pretty good percentage day but this ball was delivered high and Clements was all over the route. They blew it. It would have been a 'great call' if it had worked. Because it didn't, what were they thinking?

Furthermore, if the Texans would have run the ball on 3rd and 2 and failed, people would be screaming bloody murder for being too conservative, not passing the ball, not being creative, not going for the win, not having balls, blah blah freakity blah....

As far as the clock management facts (relating to what I quoted), the 3rd and 2 snap occurred at 2:00. If the Texans were stopped short of the first down, 10 seconds (at most) would have run off on the play, forcing the Bills to take their last timeout at 1:50.

Texans punt at 1:50 and (again) making a very conservative estimate of the time runoff during the return, the Bills would have had the ball at about the same spot on the field with 1:40 remaining and 0 timeouts instead of 1. (they actually started at their own 45 with 1:44 remaining with 1 timeout). So the net difference was a timeout that it turned out they didn't even need.

The Bills ran five quick pass plays gaining 40 yards in 1:29 before spiking it on the 0:15 snap. When Losman threw the TD pass to Price, they still had that timeout on the board.

It's plain and simple that 'poor clock management' was irrelevant in that last sequence. Not converting the 3rd and 2 was most relevant, but that was only one of many reasons the Texans lost this game - along with 83 turning 38 inside out twice, Cook's fumble, the INT on the first drive, allowing those five quick pass plays gaining 40 yards on the last drive, no pressure on Losman all day, and probably a few other things I'm missing at the moment.

Mysteryhunt
11-20-2006, 06:41 AM
kubiak's a rook too, he's learning on the job. at least he knows when he messes up unlike that $%^&* CAPERS POS