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jaayteetx
11-19-2006, 03:01 PM
I thought his hand touched out of bounds before he go two feet inbounds. What do you guys think?

hot pickle
11-19-2006, 03:03 PM
no it looked like a catch to me, just bad pressure

Runner
11-19-2006, 03:07 PM
Catch.

Osso
11-19-2006, 03:08 PM
He was clearly out.....refs got us again.

TheIronDuke
11-19-2006, 03:14 PM
Catch.

run-david-run
11-19-2006, 03:15 PM
feet dragged, you couldnt tell from the replay but there were marks in the grass, good catch.

kenneth24
11-19-2006, 03:20 PM
IMO I didn't think he got that right foot down because it looked like that foot didn't kick grass til it got to the white but if it was AJ I would have wanted that call because that was too close to overturn.

AndrewTXAg07
11-19-2006, 03:26 PM
no it looked like a catch to me, just bad pressure

Where was the pressure at the end? NON-EXISTENT

TexanFanInCC
11-19-2006, 03:29 PM
I thought his hand touched out of bounds before he go two feet inbounds. What do you guys think?

as long as the ball doesnt hit the ground and the feet drag inbounds....which is what happened. the tv announcers said it was obvious, and it looked that way to me.

ArlingtonTexan
11-19-2006, 03:48 PM
That was just a quality catch in the key moment.

Houston_Fanatic
11-19-2006, 03:50 PM
It shoudn't have come down to this one play.

GP
11-19-2006, 03:52 PM
as long as the ball doesnt hit the ground and the feet drag inbounds....which is what happened. the tv announcers said it was obvious, and it looked that way to me.

I see skid marks that start on the chalk. If his feet drag the ground, it makes a skind mark. You can see it on the replay: No skid marks inside the end zone area, they begin on the chalk and then continue for a foot or two out of bounds.

His hand was on the chalk.

But hey, the refs are NOT going to overturn a clutch catch like that. Ever. They'll stick with their call because they and their boss want to make sure that we all know who's the boss.

I'm over the loss. But I think he wa sot of bounds.

Nice throw. Nice catch. Bad call. Oh well. I guess we get a better draft pick for it. That's about what we're used to around here.

Malloy
11-19-2006, 03:53 PM
good catch

Wolf
11-19-2006, 03:56 PM
It shoudn't have come down to this one play.

exactly.

I didnt' see the play and based on what I have read,(with the am't of discussion about this subject on multiple threads) it seems like it was a tough call to make

IF it was a bad call, It wasn't the first bad call in the history of the NFL and definitely the last bad call.

Porky
11-19-2006, 03:59 PM
No doubt about it. It was a clean catch, and a great one at that. Hats off to Price. He gets paid too. :ok:

nunusguy
11-19-2006, 04:00 PM
It was a good pass, a better catch. TD 'Bills.
They made the plays at the end of the game, we didn't. End of story.

jaayteetx
11-19-2006, 04:39 PM
Check out the Chronicle, they have a picture of the catch. Looks like the hand is touching out of bounds at the exact moment both feet are touching the end zone. Whats the rule there, anybody?

Headlights of a Carr
11-19-2006, 04:45 PM
.........

Headlights of a Carr
11-19-2006, 04:48 PM
No excuses, shouldn't have let him be open behind everyone.


http://www.houstonchronicle.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4346628.html

Here is the link, you may have something there unless they ruled that he had posession and control before the hand hit.:confused:

Runner
11-19-2006, 05:01 PM
I see skid marks that start on the chalk. If his feet drag the ground, it makes a skind mark. You can see it on the replay: No skid marks inside the end zone area, they begin on the chalk and then continue for a foot or two out of bounds.

Check out the Chronicle, they have a picture of the catch. Looks like the hand is touching out of bounds at the exact moment both feet are touching the end zone.

That picture doesn't show how long either his feet or hand were on the ground. It certainly doesn't show the order.

What does it show besides the fact that both feet were down well before the out of bounds?

wolfscar
11-19-2006, 05:04 PM
Looked like a great catch to me. That was coming in there with a healthy dose of mustard on it and (usually Hopeless) Price did a great job of getting the TD. :crying:

scourge
11-19-2006, 05:22 PM
It shoudn't have come down to this one play.

you hit the nail on the head

YellerLotYeller
11-19-2006, 05:45 PM
I have paused and slowed down every angle available, and I cannott see the drag marks of the right foot in the endzone. I can even see a spot where it looks like it started in the white about 2" or so in. Im gonna have to ask my neighbor who works for the field crew if he saw the marks or not.
Doesnt matter really...the call on the field seems to be standing more this season.:hmmm:

bah007
11-19-2006, 05:47 PM
I have paused and slowed down every angle available, and I cannott see the drag marks of the right foot in the endzone. I can even see a spot where it looks like it started in the white about 2" or so in. Im gonna have to ask my neighbor who works for the field crew if he saw the marks or not.
Doesnt matter really...the call on the field seems to be standing more this season.:hmmm:

It doesnt matter. If you cant tell in slow motion then the refs cant tell either.

That is why the call stands. There is nothing indisputable.

YellerLotYeller
11-19-2006, 05:55 PM
It doesnt matter. If you cant tell in slow motion then the refs cant tell either.

That is why the call stands. There is nothing indisputable.

Just seems like the line judge could check the field for "evidence." << insert OJ joke here.

The Pencil Neck
11-19-2006, 05:58 PM
I've looked at it several times and it looks like a catch to me. Looks like both feet drag before the hand touches out of bounds.

Runner
11-19-2006, 09:27 PM
I have paused and slowed down every angle available, and I cannott see the drag marks of the right foot in the endzone.

Look at the still picture shown in the link on post 19 of this thread. It clearly shows both feet on the ground a couple of feet before the end line.

TexanSam
11-19-2006, 09:35 PM
If it looked like a catch and smelled like a catch, it must be a catch. I don't think there was any conclusive evidence that could have overturned the play anyway. It was too close to call.

Kaiser Toro
11-19-2006, 09:42 PM
When we get our hands on the Zapruder film we will finally have the camera angle we need to solve the Texans' fan optical illusion, aka "the Refs are out to get us."

I thought he was out and on the replay I thought he was out. Just as last week was a team win, this week was a team loss. We are getting there.

YellerLotYeller
11-19-2006, 09:43 PM
Look at the still picture shown in the link on post 19 of this thread. It clearly shows both feet on the ground a couple of feet before the end line.

Must have been a sick mark left by his kneepad I was looking at on the video.....still should have never came down to that play!

Mattheus_Rex
11-20-2006, 05:59 AM
IMO I didn't think he got that right foot down because it looked like that foot didn't kick grass til it got to the white but if it was AJ I would have wanted that call because that was too close to overturn.

Watch it again. His foot bounced, that's why the mark starts on the chalk. I hate to say it and looked at it every other way, but it was a good catch. Or def just blew it.

mganz
11-20-2006, 07:49 AM
I watched that play in slow motion this morning. There is no question that it was a TD. I recorded inside the huddle and one on the views they have it is very clear. Good throw, better catch. Maybe next week!!!

coachdent
11-20-2006, 08:07 AM
I would argue that the grass does not move at all in the field of play to indicate that he got his foot down. The ground does not start to come up until he hits the white of the end zone and then you can see grass come up.

But REGARDLESS of this fact is the HORRIBLE call on the back judge making the touchdown call. If he says out of bounds, there is no way that call is overturned. Watching the play over and over again, you can clearly see the official looking directly at the receiver as he makes the catch. He NEVER looks down at the feet. There were no other officials there to consult on the call. That was horrible officiating. You check the feet first and then for possession.

I can't fathom how we can allow one receiver get behind our entire secondary with 15 seconds left. It was shades of Jim Eddy's defense that blew the Buffalo game. Ironic isn't it that on the Houston Homecoming day, we play Buffalo and they come back with a miracle comeback on boneheaded prevent defense? Excuse me while I go vomit over my own realization of this bitter irony!:lightning:

Runner
11-20-2006, 08:17 AM
I really think his feet were down in the field of play.

http://images.chron.com/photos/2006/11/19/4195830/311xInlineGallery.jpg

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4347524.html

HJam72
11-20-2006, 08:48 AM
The little green line on my NFL field pass view of the field definitely grew suddenly and stretched into the endzone. Then, without warning, a "Call Under Review" statement came up on the screen (under the score, I think). Then, the guys on the radio said the TD was upheld. Judging by those undeniable facts, I'd have to say that THE BALL WAS PICKED BY DROB AND RUN ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE OTHER ENDZONE. :homer:

Those refs are terrible. :joker:

TheOgre
11-20-2006, 09:02 AM
Where was the pressure at the end? NON-EXISTENT


Definitely the pressure was on the Texans D. :joker:

Osso
11-20-2006, 10:46 AM
I really think his feet were down in the field of play.

http://images.chron.com/photos/2006/11/19/4195830/311xInlineGallery.jpg

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4347524.html

I won't/can't deny he dragged his feet...look at his frikn hand...it's firmly flattened onto to the ground...OUT OF BOUNDS!....show me another picture where his hand is still in the air and his feet are dragging and I will happily call it a TD.

Texan_Bill
11-20-2006, 10:50 AM
How far did he drag his feet before the hand hit the turf? Even its an 1/8 of an inch before the hand goes down = TD... I was hoping too, but see the game highlight footage... Sorry, time to move on...

Double Barrel
11-20-2006, 10:54 AM
Watch it again. His foot bounced, that's why the mark starts on the chalk. I hate to say it and looked at it every other way, but it was a good catch. Or def just blew it.

yep, I agree. We shouldn't have been in a position to let one of the NFL's worst QBs torch us at the end of a game....again.

I can't blame the officials for a team meltdown.

Chance_C
11-20-2006, 10:57 AM
People still argue about it after the picture. Peerless, um, I mean Priceless....
Maybe he caught the ball with his feet higher than his head and he landed on his hand then he drug his feet....Bad call refs...:confused:

We all know that's not what happened. It was a good catch, good throw, a TD period.

Runner
11-20-2006, 01:09 PM
I won't/can't deny he dragged his feet...look at his frikn hand...it's firmly flattened onto to the ground...OUT OF BOUNDS!....show me another picture where his hand is still in the air and his feet are dragging and I will happily call it a TD.

Well now the story is changing. Many posters were adamant his right foot never touched. The picture showed it did.

So now we are on to "the hand was down first". If a picture disproves that, what's next? He was juggling the ball?

We got beat. It happens, even to the mighty Texans.

People still argue about it after the picture.

I repped YLY who looked at the picture and said essentially, "I was wrong, the foot was down". Imagine that - looking at new evidence and changing an opinion.

Osso
11-21-2006, 12:03 AM
Well now the story is changing. Many posters were adamant his right foot never touched. The picture showed it did.

So now we are on to "the hand was down first". If a picture disproves that, what's next? He was juggling the ball?

We got beat. It happens, even to the mighty Texans.



I repped YLY who looked at the picture and said essentially, "I was wrong, the foot was down". Imagine that - looking at new evidence and changing an opinion.

I've never changed my story, I've said from the beginning his hand was down before his feet dragged. I've never said he didn't get his feet in. Find me a picture were his feet are down and his hand isn't. It's that simple. Cuz that picture doesn't show that. You want to call it a catch fine. I know what I see when I slow mo my tape of the play. His hand is down out of bounds when his left foot is still in the air.

OzzO
11-21-2006, 08:05 AM
It wasn't a catch because he didn't make a football move afterwards.




</sarcasm>

Runner
11-21-2006, 08:14 AM
I've never changed my story ... I've never said he didn't get his feet in.

From the game thread:

his feet were not in bounds...

I understand that the picture doesn't show if the hand or feet were down first. That wasn't the question that particular picture answered.

Osso
11-21-2006, 08:34 AM
From the game thread:



I understand that the picture doesn't show if the hand or feet were down first. That wasn't the question that particular picture answered.

You are taking my quote out of context. I have been saying since the play happened that his feet were not in bounds when his hand hit. Hence his feet are never in bounds. There are people saying his feet never dragged which I will not agree with. His right foot was good while his left foot dragged AFTER his hand went down soooooooooooooooooooo.........HIS "FEET" were not in bounds. His feet did eventually both come down in bounds but since his hand was first to come down then he was OUT OF BOUNDS!

If you want to continue trying to get a rise out of me go ahead, I know what I saw and I know what I've been posting.

Texan_Bill
11-21-2006, 08:40 AM
One word for those who still feel like that wasn't a touchdown and the guy's hand hit out of bounds before the toes tapped in bounds:

LASIK...........

j/k , trying to lighten the mood with levity - it was a very close play. Period.

whiskeyrbl
11-21-2006, 08:56 AM
Yeah I DVR'ed the game and was watching that play over and over. It is a great catch,just give the guy props it was a TD and we let another win go by the wayside.

mouldsmachine1
11-21-2006, 06:48 PM
http://images.usatoday.com/sports/football/_photos/2006-11-19-bills-large.jpg



Own'T

Double Barrel
11-21-2006, 06:57 PM
The fact of the matter is that we never should have played prevent defense to give them that opportunity! I freakin' hate the prevent D!!

Runner
11-21-2006, 07:13 PM
The picture on post 49 takes care of the left foot argument.

Do we have to continue through right foot and juggling the ball, or can we just respect the nice catch?

edo783
11-21-2006, 10:03 PM
Great toss and catch. Them guys get paid big bucks to, so they make plays. We never should have been in that spot to start with, but they made a great play.

Wolf
11-21-2006, 10:12 PM
The fact of the matter is that we never should have played prevent defense to give them that opportunity! I freakin' hate the prevent D!!

no joke, Losman looked great on the stat board..and take away 2 passes (not taking anything away from the game,just if we played better defense).. you take away 166 yards(on 2 pass plays) . no I am not saying that losman couldn't have drove them down the field but he basically did nothing (statwise). our defense clamped down after they got their feet..

but other argument is so did theirs in the 2nd half

Osso
11-21-2006, 10:46 PM
http://images.usatoday.com/sports/football/_photos/2006-11-19-bills-large.jpg



Own'T

Thanks,
great catch.

QB75
11-21-2006, 11:25 PM
I thought his hand touched out of bounds before he go two feet inbounds. What do you guys think?

I think that you should quit whining about the Texans losing. It was a perfect throw and a perfect catch. "His hands were out of bounds"... give the guy a break.

Dunta_23
11-22-2006, 09:44 AM
The picture on post 49 takes care of the left foot argument.

Do we have to continue through right foot and juggling the ball, or can we just respect the nice catch?

We can talk about why 1 safety is lying on the ground and why the other is about 5 yards away watching the guy catch the ball...

Runner
11-22-2006, 09:48 AM
We can talk about why 1 safety is lying on the ground and why the other is about 5 yards away watching the guy catch the ball...

That might have been part of the problem.

HOU-TEX
11-22-2006, 09:51 AM
We can talk about why 1 safety is lying on the ground and why the other is about 5 yards away watching the guy catch the ball...

I'd rather not. It'd be like someone treating your sack like a speedbag. :yikes: It hurts too much. Let's move on to the Jets.

Specnatz
11-22-2006, 10:07 AM
We can talk about why 1 safety is lying on the ground and why the other is about 5 yards away watching the guy catch the ball...

As far as the one that is five yards away he was covering a section of the field, the safety, #30 Jason Simmons, on the ground dove for the ball but missed it. But I do not have it saved on my dvr anymore so I am only going by memory.

CenTexNative
11-22-2006, 10:27 AM
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4346628.html

Here is the link, you may have something there unless they ruled that he had posession and control before the hand hit.:confused:

Ok his hand is out of bounds in that picture. But as much as I hate to say this. IF his feet were on the grass first then it doesn't matter where his hand landed. As long as he had control of the ball and both of his feet on the ground it's a touchdown.