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BillsNation
11-14-2006, 07:49 PM
Just kidding about the topic, been to dallas and Austin Love Texas, the state bleeds football!

Now on to it
Texan fans dont mind the bills fans!

The Texans are one of the up and coming teams with a great young coach. And by the way D Carr has be basically amazing this year, the oline is better but still horrible. The biggest issue with Carr is he locks on Johnson way to much, verse the jags he seemed to spread it more! They have a real good young defense still learning the game. Mario looked like a bust at first, but he is fast learning how to be a good De in the NFl. The texans overall are a very impressive team, their record is no indictation of how good and talented(but young) they Are!



With that out of the Way

Buffalo 27pts
Atrain big big Big Game

Texans 7
The Score Is bigger apart then the game is! Hard knock game! Buffalo gets a lot of breaks and weird Tos!

run-david-run
11-14-2006, 08:10 PM
Just kidding about the topic, been to dallas and Austin Love Texas, the state bleeds football!

Now on to it
Texan fans dont mind the bills fans!

The Texans are one of the up and coming teams with a great young coach. And by the way D Carr has be basically amazing this year, the oline is better but still horrible. The biggest issue with Carr is he locks on Johnson way to much, verse the jags he seemed to spread it more! They have a real good young defense still learning the game. Mario looked like a bust at first, but he is fast learning how to be a good De in the NFl. The texans overall are a very impressive team, their record is no indictation of how good and talented(but young) they Are!



With that out of the Way

Buffalo 27pts
Atrain big big Big Game

Texans 7
The Score Is bigger apart then the game is! Hard knock game! Buffalo gets a lot of breaks and weird Tos!
wow.... about the only part of that post that is right is "dont mind the bills fans". When was the last time you scored 27 points? Better yet, an offensive TD? As impressive as your offense was in scoring 3 Fg's on the Colts while amassing 87 passing yards, I think I'll take the Texans D, which in the past 6 weeks is in the top 5 in points and yards allowed in the NFL.

Wow, the idea of JP Losman and Anthony Thomas leading a team to 27 points is still funny...

hot pickle
11-14-2006, 08:26 PM
as long as the fans in reliant are makin noise, the texans will in JP is still raw and not very good

Napa Auto Parts
11-14-2006, 08:30 PM
this game should be a cake walk the Bills Qb is 1 million times worst than ours we cant loose.:stirpot:

PHof
11-14-2006, 08:32 PM
The Bills dont seem to do well in games that they "should" win.

Texans 10

Bills 7

Should be a long, boring Defensive game.

BuffaloBills06
11-14-2006, 08:40 PM
Since I will be there the Bills will lose:hairpull: Every away game I have been to the Bills have lost!!!!! I havent been to a road win since 2002:crying:

thunderkyss
11-14-2006, 08:42 PM
as long as the fans in reliant are makin noise, the texans will in JP is still raw and not very good

We've got to make noise the whole time they've got the ball, Reliant should be deafening when they are in the huddle, and not just when they get to the line on third down.

But.. the spread favors the Texans by 2(We're the favorites)....... so we'll probably win by 13.

I'm expecting David to look like Losman did last year against the Texans.

TexanFanInCC
11-14-2006, 10:57 PM
The Bills dont seem to do well in games that they "should" win.

Texans 10

Bills 7

Should be a long, boring Defensive game.

i agree. the bills defense is still very good. its going to be another 13-10 game. the crowd noise should play a factor. with our defense playing the way its playing, i just dont see how the bills will eclipse 25 points, heck even 20 for that matter. this is going to be a good test for carr.

Jack Flush
11-15-2006, 07:45 AM
The biggest issue with Carr is he locks on Johnson way to much, verse the jags he seemed to spread it more!

While this is true, and Johnson leads the NFL in targets, there's good reason for it. In comparison to the other four receivers in the NFL with 90 or more targets, Johnson's numbers blow them away: Torry Holt has caught 53 percent of the 98 passes thrown to him; Donald Driver 57% of 97 targets; Anquan Boldin 54% of 92 targets; and Terrell Owens 53% of 92 targets. On the other hand, Johnson has caught an outstanding 66% of the 102 passes thrown in his direction.

HJam72
11-15-2006, 07:46 AM
While this is true, and Johnson leads the NFL in targets, there's good reason for it. In comparison to the other four receivers in the NFL with 90 or more targets, Johnson's numbers blow them away: Torry Holt has caught 53 percent of the 98 passes thrown to him; Donald Driver 57% of 97 targets; Anquan Boldin 54% of 92 targets; and Terrell Owens 53% of 92 targets. On the other hand, Johnson has caught an outstanding 66% of the 102 passes thrown in his direction.

So much for all the complaining about AJ dropping too many passes.

Marcus
11-15-2006, 09:48 AM
So much for all the complaining about AJ dropping too many passes.
He DOES drop too many passes, and I choose to complain about it. He dropped a beautifully thrown ball in the endzone last week against the Jags. Yes, he's a very good receiver. Probably deserves to go back to the Pro Bowl this year.

But still doesn't change the fact that he drops way too many catchable balls. So many in fact, that whenever I see a perfectly thrown ball thrown to him, I breathe a sigh of relief if he does catch it. Shouldn't be that way.

Jack Flush
11-15-2006, 10:18 AM
So much for all the complaining about AJ dropping too many passes.

He has 6 dropped passes which is more than any of the receivers I listed in my last post, but he also has more targets than them. His overall catch percentage is appreciably higher which means that, while Johnson may drop more "should-catch" balls, he also catches more "catchable" balls.

kcwilson
11-15-2006, 11:47 AM
Since I will be there the Bills will lose:hairpull: Every away game I have been to the Bills have lost!!!!! I havent been to a road win since 2002:crying:

Well, you have to look at the percentages. There is probably a much greater chance of you seeing a road loss than a road win.

Maybe you should play QB and Losman should sit in the stands, that might help the Bills' chances.

Vinny
11-15-2006, 11:52 AM
He has 6 dropped passes which is more than any of the receivers I listed in my last post, but he also has more targets than them. His overall catch percentage is appreciably higher which means that, while Johnson may drop more "should-catch" balls, he also catches more "catchable" balls.
good stuff

texanGoon22
11-15-2006, 11:56 AM
Maybe AJ gets open more often then these other receivers do? Which is why he has so many more receptions.

rafterticket
11-15-2006, 12:30 PM
Since I will be there the Bills will lose:hairpull: Every away game I have been to the Bills have lost!!!!! I havent been to a road win since 2002:crying:

Welcome to HOUSTON!!!!!

joedinkle
11-15-2006, 01:44 PM
Here's to an injury free game and a DOMINANT showing by my Houston Texans.

HOU-27
BUF-6

The_Philster
11-15-2006, 01:52 PM
Since I will be there the Bills will lose:hairpull: Every away game I have been to the Bills have lost!!!!! I havent been to a road win since 2002:crying:
Make sure to stop by the Bills Backers tailgate...I'll have Kenny spike your bowling ball shot strong enough so you have to miss the game...lol
Maybe you should play QB and Losman should sit in the stands, that might help the Bills' chances.
If you think Losman is our only, or even biggest, weakness, you're in for a shock

HOU-TEX
11-15-2006, 01:54 PM
Make sure to stop by the Bills Backers tailgate...I'll have Kenny spike your bowling ball shot strong enough so you have to miss the game...lol

If you think Losman is our only, or even biggest, weakness, you're in for a shock

What are some of y'alls weaknesses? I won't tell Kubiak, I promise.:spy:

The_Philster
11-15-2006, 01:57 PM
The O-line, the WRs (we miss Moulds), the TEs, the D-line....lol

Vinny
11-15-2006, 01:57 PM
hey...its the bills fan zone guys. welcome to our virtual cubicle.

HOU-TEX
11-15-2006, 02:02 PM
The O-line, the WRs (we miss Moulds), the TEs, the D-line....lol

I thought the Dline was one of your strongest points?? What are they doing wrong?

The_Philster
11-15-2006, 02:02 PM
hey...its the bills fan zone guys. welcome to our virtual cubicle.
Hey there, Vinny...long time no see...hoping for a good game (with a Bills win, of course)

Vinny
11-15-2006, 02:04 PM
I need to pay you guys a visit this week...If my dues are still paid up over there at the bfz. Get LOG off his ass and sign him up here :marionaner:

The_Philster
11-15-2006, 02:09 PM
I thought the Dline was one of your strongest points?? What are they doing wrong?
Kelsey, Denney, and Schobel at DE have been good ...in spots...but also have a tendency of disappearing at times.
At DT, Tim Anderson has been mediocre on his best days...rookie Kyle Williams has supplanted him as starter some games...won't be long before he gets that spot for good. Larry Tripplett at the other DT position has had a couple really good games...but overall doesn't seem to be worth what we paid for him (although Tony Dungy, in last week's pregame interviews, felt Tripplett was working out for us...and will help us out immensely) Our rush defense is the weak point...as it has been for the last couple of years. Pass defense is improving...Clements and McGee, after struggling early in the season, have started playing better in recent weeks...part of that slow start due to adjusting to the new scheme...part of it due to rookies Whitner and Simpson at the safety spots

Vinny
11-15-2006, 02:10 PM
Most of you guys hated the Whitner pick....any second thoughts?

The_Philster
11-15-2006, 02:13 PM
Most of you guys hated the Whitner pick....any second thoughts?definitely. There are still some who wish we'd picked Leinart because Losman's development is taking longer than it should...but Whitner has done a solid job at SS. I honestly don't think Milloy would've done much better

Brandon420tx
11-15-2006, 02:14 PM
Most of you guys hated the Whitner pick....any second thoughts?

and what are your thoughts on the availability of Clements next year?

The_Philster
11-15-2006, 02:18 PM
and what are your thoughts on the availability of Clements next year?

Depends on how much he asks for. A few games ago, we Bills fans were ready to escort him to the airport to get him out of town...but he's played much better in recent weeks...probably due to the adjustments he's had to make this year. I don't expect the Bills to break the bank to re-sign him, but he might stay for something reasonable if the Bills offer it and the Bills show signs of promise by the end of the season.

Vinny
11-15-2006, 02:19 PM
and what are your thoughts on the availability of Clements next year?He is another Ohio St guy....I bet he plays up north somewhere. I'd say he is a longshot here. We are still a couple of years from being playoff contenders.

austintexanite
11-15-2006, 04:29 PM
Hopefully they'll show the game in Austin or San Antonio, unlike last week, but either way, I think the Texans will win a very close game. The win against the Jags was great, but I wish we could've come out with less wounds and the Bills have a good defense. I figure, if David's arm is ok, then we can have a similar gameplan to the Giants game where we spread it out on them and then pound them with draws or delays. BUT, the Bills secondary is pretty solid and better than the Giants, so I guess we'll find out on Sunday. Either way...

Texans 17
Bills 10

The_Philster
11-15-2006, 04:50 PM
Hopefully they'll show the game in Austin or San Antonio, unlike last week, but either way, I think the Texans will win a very close game. The win against the Jags was great, but I wish we could've come out with less wounds and the Bills have a good defense. I figure, if David's arm is ok, then we can have a similar gameplan to the Giants game where we spread it out on them and then pound them with draws or delays. BUT, the Bills secondary is pretty solid and better than the Giants, so I guess we'll find out on Sunday. Either way...

Texans 17
Bills 10
Here's what CBS is showing at 1pm ET
http://www.gribblenation.net/nflmaps/11-CBS-E.gif

trutexan02
11-15-2006, 04:54 PM
this game should be a cake walk the Bills Qb is 1 million times worst than ours we cant loose.:stirpot:
Hate to buwst yoru bubbles but his BIlls team isn't much different than the one that whoopedus opening day last year. I agree, however, that in no way will the bills score 27 but it will be a close game for sure.

Bills 10
Texans 17

INT return for TD key play...ummm I'll say Faggins is the man who does it for us!

The_Philster
11-15-2006, 05:25 PM
Hate to buwst yoru bubbles but his BIlls team isn't much different than the one that whoopedus opening day last year. I agree, however, that in no way will the bills score 27 but it will be a close game for sure.

Bills 10
Texans 17

INT return for TD key play...ummm I'll say Faggins is the man who does it for us!
If you expect an interception return, you better hope, like we Bills fans do, that the coaches take off the cuffs. JP's had 2 games in a row with less than 20 pass plays called.

Houston_Fanatic
11-16-2006, 10:52 AM
We've got the momentum going into this game and coming back home to play after 3 road games will give us a boost.

I hope David Carr is healed up enough to play, but it won't make a difference in the outcome of the game if he isn't - Sage is a capable backup. Our D will step up again and help us win.

Texans 24
Bills 10

texasguy346
11-16-2006, 11:14 AM
First I must say that the Bills fans have been great thus far. Very classy fans. With that said I'm still giving the edge to the Texans for this game. It will be a close game though. I'm a bit worried about how Winston will respond if Kelsay or Schobel have on of their good games this week. It will also be interesting to see if the Bills will try and exploit Wynn in nickle or dime packages. Hopefully we can get our running game going and open up the field with some play action. In the end I think the Texans come out on top. Texans 20 Bills 12

Texas_Heat
11-16-2006, 01:27 PM
Texans 31
bills.... 03

Carr goes third straight game without a fumble or pick.

Mario has his first two sack game.:marionaner:

:fans:

Brandon420tx
11-17-2006, 02:23 PM
Heres a breakdown of the bills position by position from one of their fans viewpoints:

OL - Total state of flux here, with our most talented player (Jason Peters) moving over to to LT from the RT spot one game ago, pushing our old LT Mike Gandy in at left guard (his natural position). Center stays the same in Melvin Fowler, who is small and doesn't get much push but at least can create a decent pocket up front. While the left is new, it has perfromed okay in the one chance it's gotten against the colts. The right side is the reall issue, back up Duke Preston who has all of two starts will be filling in for Chris Villarial for the rest of the season at RG, and that is a huge downgrade. Then filling the LT spot that peters vacated is Terrance Pennington, a very raw rookie from this years draft. (7th round I believe.) Both looked bad in last weeks game at times. The right side is where the texans D will make it's hay IMO. Run blocking to left side has been MUCH improved though....expect to see the ball come through that side a lot.

QB - JP Losman...what can you say....he's passed for about 340 yards the past three games, seemingly shows none of the mobility that got him notcied in college, and he has many wondering if the coaches are afraid to let him play. To be fair, an atrocious pass blocking group does him no favors, so a lot of chicken and the egg there. His biggest strength the past few games has been avoiding turnovers...it helped us win against GB and almost got us the win against Indy, as the D has been creating. They ask him to manage the game and he does okay...not sure what will happen if the game has to be put on his shoulders.

WR - Group is not living up to expectations that many had here for all the speed we have assembled. Lee Evans seems to be our only reliable target, and even he is having an off year thanks in large part to the departure of a certain Mr. Eric Moulds. Peerless Price' return has been anything but good, with a pithy amount of yards and several big drops getting lots of people on his case. We're short one of our best possesion recievers in slot man Josh Reed, and filling in for him will be smurf Roscoe Parrish, an amazing speedster with incredbile talent but the frame of a high school kid. Every time he gets hit we hold our breath. But if he gets the ball in his hands, watch out. Fourth receiver will most likely be Andre Davis or Sam Aiken. Sam has a large tattoo across his stomach that says sleeper. It is very apt. Watching him play would put just about anyone to sleep. Davis is a deep threat...nothing else.

RB - The loss of Willis McGahee was a blow to the team, but vet Anthony Thomas has stepped in with two very solid games of 95 and 105 yards. Their styles are totally different and Trains actually seems to fit our team as well if not better. He is a head down straight ahead guy who often busts the first tackle. Willis had a tendency to use his talent to create behind the line, but often pays for his hesitancy. When the line is as bad as ours, the straight ahead runner seems to be the better choice, the holes simply were not developing for Willis. Train hits the holes or the back of a lineman and keeps chugging.

TE - You won't see much offense out of our TE spot (that is to say, maybe ONE catch), but you will see lot of two TE sets to help with protection. Robert Royal is the first man up, who has made some great catches and abominable drops so far this year. Can block pretty well. Our other blocking TE Neufeld recently went on IR, so we are expecting Brad Cieslak to get promted from the PS. Mainly a blocking guy. 3rd round pick from last year Kevin Everett was supposedly a monster offensive threat, but an ACL injury that has seemingly hampere his speed and a lack of blocking ability has limited his opportunities.

Defense

DL - FA accquisition Larry Tripplett is not having the year some envisioned, but IMO it is a solid campaign considering the talent around him. I know you guys are familiar with him. Starting next to him will be pleasant surprise 5th rounder Kyle Williams, who has seemingly taken the starting job from incumbent Tim Anderson. Due to the broken foot of first rounder John McCargo, he is out for the year, and his roster spot has been taken by Jason Jefferson. Tripp and Williams are the men to watch, though Anderson will make plays in pursuit. DE's are having a good season to date. RDE Aaaron Schobel is one of our better players, and leads the team with 7 sacks. High energy Anthony Hargrove recently joined the team, but has as of yet to make a big play. Ryan Denney and Chris Kelsay make for a hard working duo at the LDE position, getting most of their sacks from good pursuit and good coverage.

LB - Strong area of the defense IMO. While Takeo is not 100% back from his Achilles injury no matter what he says, his play HAS improved in past weeks, and he seems to be shaking the rust off. Angelo Crowell graduated to the big leagues during Spikes recovery last year, and has stuck. Good young player with good tackling and coverage skills. Then there is of course Mr. London Flethcer Baker in the middle. Has been playing well this season and played out of his mind 2 games ago against Green Bay. Expect to see him all over the field.

DB - After a lackluster beginning to the season, Pro Bowler Nate Clements has seemingly picked up his game the past few weeks, as has Terrance McGee, who had been painted with a target by opposing Qbs in past contests. They did an excellent job of shutting down Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne vs Indy last week. Problem is consistency though IMO, and we will see who shows up this week. Rookie safties patrol the secondary, and tend to play like rookies at times and not at others. SS Donte Whitner has proven to be a good pick at #8 in the draft, with better coverage skills than advertised and a nose for the run game. Not the hard hitter seemingly that he was in college, but that may come. FS Ko Simpson is raw as raw gets (played only two years college ball) and has been late to help out the corners on occasion. All things considered though, most are happy with the safety play, keeping in mind they are rookies.

Special Teams

KR/PR - Terrance McGee seemed to be getting back to form vs Indy, and he is a top return man in the league. One of our best weapons.

K - Rian Lindell had turned into one of the more reliable kicker in B-lo history--then he missed the 41 yarder against the Colts. Tough miss, but for the most part we have faith in him. Has been solid from 50+.

P - Brian Moorman is one of the best punters in the league. Placement and distance are often perfect, with excellent hangtime. As a college track star he has tremendous speed and used it last week to convert a fake punt to a 1st down. As an aside, Roscoe Parrish also returns punts for us, and while his fielding skills leave a lot to be desired, once he has the ball in his hands he is electric.

Special teams as whole are our strongest unit (number one in the league past two years) followed by the defense and atrocious offense.

http://boards.buffalobills.com/forums/permalink/1375361/1375135/ShowThread.aspx#1375135

HOU-TEX
11-17-2006, 02:36 PM
[QUOTE=Brandon420tx;502203]Heres a breakdown of the bills position by position from one of their fans viewpoints:

Unlike Giants and jets fans, the guys/gals on that MB seem like good people.

Iroquois Joe
11-18-2006, 11:06 AM
HEY-HOW-ARE-YA TEXAN FANS been a while.

Too many people write off Losman.

The offense uses two tight end sets for pass blocking because the line is so bad, so that eliminates that option on many passing plays. The backs arn't involved much comming out of the backfield, and Evens is the only reliable reciever and he's usually double or even tripple teamed.

Many of Losmans' sacks have come within 2 seconds of the snap. He hasn't had time to set and his wrapped up almost immediatly. He's playing hurried at times and as a result of this, is off target at times, even on the rare occasions he has time to look downfield and go through his reads. Like I said, Evens being the only real go to guy, most of the time the others are well covered, so he tries to squeeze one in by drilling the ball or throws it away. I'm sure you can relate with Carr's predicament since he arrived.

Very few screens or roll outs which would play into Losmans strengths as a mobile QB have been called.

The coaches have him on a leash, I suppose they are trying to keep in the pocket to get better reading D's and for getting a feel for a pocket presence. He's mobile, but they've taken that part of the game away from him to be used only as a last option.

Jauron and company have now given him the "green light" whatever that means, so he can scamper more and maybe make plays on the fly. He has had some success at that.

If he gets the protection and the receivers can get their act together, it could be a long day for you Texan fans. you have some problems with injuries on your D line and I'm not sure how good your defensive backs are.

But then the Bills are hurting too, the line in front of Losman was bad before the recent injuries and changes happened.

Losman is due for a big game and all the elements may be in place if the line can give him some time and he gets into a rythme and gains moxy early. He does have set of big brass ones, as does Carr. You have to have cajones to stand behind those pathetic lines and take that kind of punishment plus all the negative press.

That being said, the game still in my opinion is a coin flip, and the only reason the Texans are favoured is the 3 point home field advantage the odds makers give.

It might turn into one of the most excitng games to see this Sunday, with a down to the wire finnish. Here's hopin'.

Bamaborn-Texasbred
11-18-2006, 12:10 PM
:marionaner: :fireball: :stooges:


Mario meets the Bills

Iroquois Joe
11-18-2006, 01:53 PM
:marionaner: :fireball: :stooges:


Mario meets the Bills

Mario has a sore foot.

The Pencil Neck
11-18-2006, 03:39 PM
Mario has a sore foot.

And your offensive line is patchwork. Hopefully, that will end up going in our favor. :redtowel:

Hulk75
11-18-2006, 04:00 PM
Mario has a sore foot.

A one legged Mario will still eat your lines face............
:)

Iroquois Joe
11-19-2006, 09:02 AM
A one legged Mario will still eat your lines face............
:)

:shots::pigfly: :sleep:

Runner
11-19-2006, 10:57 AM
Too many people write off Losman.

The offense uses two tight end sets for pass blocking because the line is so bad, so that eliminates that option on many passing plays. The backs arn't involved much comming out of the backfield, and Evens is the only reliable reciever and he's usually double or even tripple teamed.

Many of Losmans' sacks have come within 2 seconds of the snap. He hasn't had time to set and his wrapped up almost immediatly. He's playing hurried at times and as a result of this, is off target at times, even on the rare occasions he has time to look downfield and go through his reads. Like I said, Evens being the only real go to guy, most of the time the others are well covered, so he tries to squeeze one in by drilling the ball or throws it away. I'm sure you can relate with Carr's predicament since he arrived.

Very few screens or roll outs which would play into Losmans strengths as a mobile QB have been called.

The coaches have him on a leash, I suppose they are trying to keep in the pocket to get better reading D's and for getting a feel for a pocket presence. He's mobile, but they've taken that part of the game away from him to be used only as a last option.


Sounds very familiar. I feel your pain.

Txn_in_Oki
11-19-2006, 11:51 AM
Mario has a sore foot.


Maybe he'll massage it by burying it in some Bill lineman's a-double-s.

:marionaner:

Iroquois Joe
11-19-2006, 03:18 PM
Maybe he'll massage it by burying it in some Bill lineman's a-double-s.

:marionaner:

LOL...how can you massage a foot in some ones a-double-s. Maybe the best he could do is keep it warm.
Never having had that experience, I can't say for sure.

It was a good game, for the most part.

You stopped Thomas and made Losman work for the win. Something he has not proven himself able to do. And crap out Price caught the winner. Go figure....

The know-it-all pundits who write the columns can't call it a snoozer anyway, or flee TV, which would be a shot against both teams.

Runner
11-19-2006, 03:25 PM
Good game. Sweet catch by Peerless.

The Pencil Neck
11-19-2006, 03:31 PM
LOL...how can you massage a foot in some ones a-double-s. Maybe the best he could do is keep it warm.
Never having had that experience, I can't say for sure.

It was a good game, for the most part.

You stopped Thomas and made Losman work for the win. Something he has not proven himself able to do. And crap out Price caught the winner. Go figure....

The know-it-all pundits who write the columns can't call it a snoozer anyway, or flee TV, which would be a shot against both teams.

Congratulations, man. Great game.

Houston_Fanatic
11-19-2006, 03:46 PM
Congratulations, Bills - good game. You guys fought hard and came up winners.

The_Philster
11-19-2006, 06:46 PM
Kubiak is turning you guys into the real deal..and that was a helluva game by Carr...it's like some of us Bills fans have been saying, a good O-line helps immensely

OzzO
11-20-2006, 11:53 AM
Congrats on the win Bills fans. A well played game - well enough on both side to keep it interesting anyways.

Looking forward to the smash mouth, dominating future we have coming (hopefully) in the Texans. Till then, these moral victories taste eerily just like a loss.

austintexanite
11-20-2006, 03:42 PM
Great game man, good luck to you guys the rest of the year and no injuries.