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DatTexBoy
11-13-2006, 01:24 AM
I'm not one to start a rumor :spy: that has no grounding to it neither do I believe most rumors I hear. But obviously, I won't disclose my source but I was told the Texans were paid MILLIONS to not draft Reggie Bush by the Saints. Enough millions to pay Mario Williams:piano:

HJam72
11-13-2006, 01:26 AM
I'm not one to start a rumor :spy: that has no grounding to it neither do I believe most rumors I hear. But obviously, I won't disclose my source but I was told the Texans were paid MILLIONS to not draft Reggie Bush by the Saints. Enough millions to pay Mario Williams:piano:

Oh, come on. For starters, McClain would want to do what's best for the team and we are in the salary cap era. The fact is that Bush has issues with running between the tackles and his family/houses/agents stuff also scared the Texans away some.

Lucky
11-13-2006, 08:15 AM
...But obviously, I won't disclose my source but I was told the Texans were paid MILLIONS to not draft Reggie Bush by the Saints.
Don't disclose your source. At least he'll avoid the embarrassment of a ridiculous assertion.

texan767
11-13-2006, 08:21 AM
That thought was always in the back of my mind.
With the situation in NO, I figured he would be more of a draw to bring the fans back.
What were their season ticket sales like before & after the draft?

Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry
11-13-2006, 08:26 AM
Sorry not buying this one. From all accounts the anits' owner it a cheap bast#%* and paying both the #1 and #2 pick seems a streach.IMO

powerfuldragon
11-13-2006, 09:19 AM
];497920']I'd be afraid to play when Mario is on the other side. he has been on a tear lately. He has been trying to decapitate anybody whe comes near him.

Emotion... the man is on fire and he is a beast.
shame his foot hurts.

FanFromCali
11-13-2006, 09:32 AM
Oh, come on. For starters, McClain would want to do what's best for the team and we are in the salary cap era. The fact is that Bush has issues with running between the tackles and his family/houses/agents stuff also scared the Texans away some.

Exactly. Add in the fact Bush reportedly wanted an obscene amount of money to be the first pick and Williams was the better choice.

The Texans simply had a great draft and it is time to acknowledge it.

bah007
11-13-2006, 11:19 AM
This story might hold some merit if there wasnt such a thing as a salary cap.

If the Saints paid us the money to sign Mario then that means that McNair gets to pocket the money that he was gonna use.

Now McNair is a rich guy so you never know... but he is also a stand-up guy too.

I dont think he would pocket $54 million.

Malloy
11-13-2006, 11:21 AM
This story might hold some merit if there wasnt such a thing as a salary cap.

If the Saints paid us the money to sign Mario then that means that McNair gets to pocket the money that he was gonna use.

Now McNair is a rich guy so you never know... but he is also a stand-up guy too.

I dont think he would pocket $54 million.

Not that I believe the story, but it could happen indirectly, investing in a Mcnair-owned company, or something like that.

real
11-13-2006, 11:26 AM
I could see it happening.....just like this....

McNair: So Gary, we've decided on Mario right ?

Kubiak: Yeah Bob....I really like the guy

*****an hour later*****

Saints GM: Hey we'll pay you to take Mario

McNair: O.k....

Hulk75
11-13-2006, 11:29 AM
:tease: :tease: :tease: :joker: .............

Double Barrel
11-13-2006, 11:30 AM
My sources tell me that Bush was very overrated by the so-called 'experts' and the Texans drafted for need.

And I will reveal my sources: nfl.com and this message board. :D

Although there has been some speculation by the tinfoil-hat crowd that owners - being the multi-billionaires that they are - made a deal for New Orleans because of the public relations hit they took after Katrina. Confirmation of this backroom deal will be confirmed when the NFL gives Houston another Superbowl during the next owners' meeting. :shades:

bah007
11-13-2006, 11:40 AM
I could see it happening.....just like this....

McNair: So Gary, we've decided on Mario right ?

Kubiak: Yeah Bob....I really like the guy

*****an hour later*****

Saints GM: Hey we'll pay you to take Mario

McNair: O.k....

Wow.

If this is the context of the situation then who would blame McNair?

beerlover
11-13-2006, 11:58 AM
Always figured it was McNair who paid his own money to New Orleans........oh yeah that was the Katrina releif effort :club:

it was a football decision based upon the best interest of the Texans :ok:

Seņor Stan
11-13-2006, 11:59 AM
I'm not one to start a rumor :spy: that has no grounding to it neither do I believe most rumors I hear. But obviously, I won't disclose my source but I was told the Texans were paid MILLIONS to not draft Reggie Bush by the Saints. Enough millions to pay Mario Williams:piano:

Please provide a link to www .TheVoicesInMyHead.com in the future. :francis:

BigDTexansFan
11-13-2006, 01:05 PM
Oh, come on. For starters, McClain would want to do what's best for the team and we are in the salary cap era. The fact is that Bush has issues with running between the tackles and his family/houses/agents stuff also scared the Texans away some.

IF we did what John MacCheese wanted his MANCRUSH Vince would be our starting QB, he wanted his heartthrob to BE QB..I don't seem to recall him slobbering over Reggie AT ALL

jerek
11-13-2006, 01:08 PM
Bush and Rumsfeld were responsible. Halliburton and oil.

That's all the response this troll deserves.

DatTexBoy
01-18-2007, 04:24 AM
Can't believe that but believes President Bush knew there were mass weapons of destruction in Iraq

Just saying...everything that is outlandish sounding may have some merit to it...and everything that sounds credible may be full of lies...like your boy Saban saying he is not going to be the Alabama coach...how many times do I have to say it?....ugh, probably til you stop lying through your teeth mr. man

Ole Miss Texan
01-18-2007, 04:44 AM
My sources tell me that Bush was very overrated by the so-called 'experts' and the Texans drafted for need.

And I will reveal my sources: nfl.com and this message board. :D

Although there has been some speculation by the tinfoil-hat crowd that owners - being the multi-billionaires that they are - made a deal for New Orleans because of the public relations hit they took after Katrina. Confirmation of this backroom deal will be confirmed when the NFL gives Houston another Superbowl during the next owners' meeting. :shades:

Haha that really would have made me question some things if that were to have happened right after we drafted him. Maybe thats the real reason Goodell replaced Tagliabue!!!? lol

In all seriousness, not that there is an merit to this story, What would be the legal ramifications if something like this were to happen, if any? Are there any rules that teams cannot pass money to each other for any reason...ie draft picks, players, etc. What about paying the other teams cap hit with a player trade?

Examples:
1-texans pay chargers $100 million for Ladanian Tomlinson. Texans will then renegotiate the contract or keep current one.
2-texans pay the atlanta falcons $5 million for their 1st rd draft pick.
3-texans trade David Carr to Denver for Jake Plummer, texans then would incur cap hit for carr and will also pay Denver $xxxxx for the cap hit in trading Plummer
4-tennessee pays minnesota $xxxx to draft Adrian Peterson so the texans can't draft him.

can you do that? just curious. for some reason i don't think you could but i dont know..

threetoedpete
01-18-2007, 05:28 AM
Can't believe that but believes President Bush knew there were mass weapons of destruction in Iraq

Just saying...everything that is outlandish sounding may have some merit to it...and everything that sounds credible may be full of lies...like your boy Saban saying he is not going to be the Alabama coach...how many times do I have to say it?....ugh, probably til you stop lying through your teeth mr. man

Someone hit his guy with a negitive rep I'm out.

DatTexBoy
01-18-2007, 05:38 AM
Chill the F out...pure entertainment value dude!

powerfuldragon
01-18-2007, 11:10 AM
pure entertainment value dude!

not really.

HJam72
01-18-2007, 11:16 AM
Haha that really would have made me question some things if that were to have happened right after we drafted him. Maybe thats the real reason Goodell replaced Tagliabue!!!? lol

In all seriousness, not that there is an merit to this story, What would be the legal ramifications if something like this were to happen, if any? Are there any rules that teams cannot pass money to each other for any reason...ie draft picks, players, etc. What about paying the other teams cap hit with a player trade?

Examples:
1-texans pay chargers $100 million for Ladanian Tomlinson. Texans will then renegotiate the contract or keep current one.
2-texans pay the atlanta falcons $5 million for their 1st rd draft pick.
3-texans trade David Carr to Denver for Jake Plummer, texans then would incur cap hit for carr and will also pay Denver $xxxxx for the cap hit in trading Plummer
4-tennessee pays minnesota $xxxx to draft Adrian Peterson so the texans can't draft him.

can you do that? just curious. for some reason i don't think you could but i dont know..

It's legal if you don't get caught. :ok:

TEXANS84
01-18-2007, 11:25 AM
And we dug this thread up from 11-13 why?

Double Barrel
01-18-2007, 11:28 AM
And we dug this thread up from 11-13 why?

Because....he could? idonno: same reason a dog licks his privates, too

ArlingtonTexan
01-18-2007, 11:30 AM
There has to be some reason for me :bomb: this thread....Let me read it again.

DCSaints_fan
01-18-2007, 12:11 PM
Haha that really would have made me question some things if that were to have happened right after we drafted him. Maybe thats the real reason Goodell replaced Tagliabue!!!? lol

In all seriousness, not that there is an merit to this story, What would be the legal ramifications if something like this were to happen, if any? Are there any rules that teams cannot pass money to each other for any reason...ie draft picks, players, etc. What about paying the other teams cap hit with a player trade?

Examples:
1-texans pay chargers $100 million for Ladanian Tomlinson. Texans will then renegotiate the contract or keep current one.
2-texans pay the atlanta falcons $5 million for their 1st rd draft pick.
3-texans trade David Carr to Denver for Jake Plummer, texans then would incur cap hit for carr and will also pay Denver $xxxxx for the cap hit in trading Plummer
4-tennessee pays minnesota $xxxx to draft Adrian Peterson so the texans can't draft him.

can you do that? just curious. for some reason i don't think you could but i dont know..

Wasn't cash involved when Oakland traded John Gruden to Tampa Bay? I'm sure it can't involve players, but I think the rules are different for coaches (e.g. there is no salary cap for coaches)

2BCF
01-18-2007, 02:07 PM
Exactly. Add in the fact Bush reportedly wanted an obscene amount of money to be the first pick and Williams was the better choice.

The Texans simply had a great draft and it is time to acknowledge it.

lol:

Might have been great if it weren't for the 1st pick.
RB, VY, or trading down to address the O-line were ALL better options.

Yankee_In_TX
01-18-2007, 02:48 PM
LOL, because radio show call in its have revived it. Seriously, you embarass your family/friends when you call in asking the radio show hosts, no TELLING them, that a reliable source told you Tagliabue (SP?) paid McNair not to take Bush to revive New Orleans. LMAO.

texans83
01-18-2007, 03:02 PM
thats just crazy!!!!

phan1
01-18-2007, 03:10 PM
I felt pretty bad that Bush was told NOT to attend the Rose Bowl. Not sure what's true and what isn't, but USC totally turned their back on a guy that brought them so much. USC doesn't ever treat OJ that way.

Ole Miss Texan
01-18-2007, 03:38 PM
I felt pretty bad that Bush was told NOT to attend the Rose Bowl. Not sure what's true and what isn't, but USC totally turned their back on a guy that brought them so much. USC doesn't ever treat OJ that way.

I don't really know the whole story about that but apparently only had a few sideline passes and he wasn't given one...i think they had like 5.

EDIT: by they i meant USC. my bad

edo783
01-18-2007, 04:13 PM
The tin foil hat crowd are always good for a chuckle.

Grid
01-18-2007, 05:57 PM
Mr. McNair has given so much money to charity, that the IRS told him that he cant claim his charity donations on his taxes for the next 10 years or so, and he still gives to charity.

Also.. Mr. McNair is worth about 1.5 Billion dollars.


So, a guy who is worth 1.5 billion, who is giving away money left and right.. is going to take payoff of.. what? 20 million? 50 million? to skip over a player like Bush?

Lets also look at it this way. If he actually wanted Bush, why would he give him up for 50 million when he would most likely make that or MORE back from product sales? the Texans make about 150 million a year in revenues.. you think having Bush on the team wouldnt have been a big boost to that?

ALSO..why would we then give a high profile player that WILL boost fan awareness of the team, to a very close rival that is capable of stealing fans from us?


This rumor sounds like something made up by a group of ignorant drunken jackholes.

Malloy
01-18-2007, 06:43 PM
The tin foil hat crowd are always good for a chuckle.

Don't mock my tin foil hat, it protects me... against... stuff... :)

Double Barrel
01-18-2007, 08:04 PM
This rumor sounds like something made up by a group of ignorant drunken jackholes.

I don't think Casserly had anything to do with it. :heh:

VY's Crib U Jus payn Rent
01-18-2007, 08:55 PM
No they are too stupid and the owner has a man-crush on Carr and didnt' want poor wittle David to not get all the spotlight...

jmlockett
01-18-2007, 11:09 PM
QUOTE from VINNY:
I'm tired of the same redundant group of fans giving negative reputation to anyone who doesn't support their POV...so I disabled negative reps. It works well on the 9er forum.....This forum was always a bit more mature...but honestly, I've had enough. It's way too much work to police this.

If any of you guys get vulgar or ugly comments back there please report it (I don't have the time to check them all individually). I'll chunk the whole thing if this won't work.
END VINNY

I was going to give DatTexBoy the negative rep (the first negative rep I would have ever given out) he is working for so hard for, but Vinny has disabled it. I definitely understand Vinny's point (WHAT? You disagree that Carr is the (greatest/worst) ever - BAM negative rep). But the downside is that DatTexBoy now feels free to crawl out from under his rock and revive his own 2 month old lunacy. I hope the rest of the tinfoil club doesn't find out...



I thought that the foil was supposed to protect my brain from being stolen by aliens. Seriously though, I look at this next season being quite interesting.

dantem
01-19-2007, 01:48 AM
As if the Saints needed a RB with DM on their team.

bckey
01-19-2007, 09:06 AM
QUOTE from VINNY:
I'm tired of the same redundant group of fans giving negative reputation to anyone who doesn't support their POV...so I disabled negative reps. It works well on the 9er forum.....This forum was always a bit more mature...but honestly, I've had enough. It's way too much work to police this.

If any of you guys get vulgar or ugly comments back there please report it (I don't have the time to check them all individually). I'll chunk the whole thing if this won't work.
END VINNY

I was going to give DatTexBoy the negative rep (the first negative rep I would have ever given out) he is working for so hard for, but Vinny has disabled it. I definitely understand Vinny's point (WHAT? You disagree that Carr is the (greatest/worst) ever - BAM negative rep). But the downside is that DatTexBoy now feels free to crawl out from under his rock and revive his own 2 month old lunacy. I hope the rest of the tinfoil club doesn't find out...


I don't see why anyone cares about reps on a bb anyway.

gtexan02
01-19-2007, 10:36 AM
Haha that really would have made me question some things if that were to have happened right after we drafted him. Maybe thats the real reason Goodell replaced Tagliabue!!!? lol

In all seriousness, not that there is an merit to this story, What would be the legal ramifications if something like this were to happen, if any? Are there any rules that teams cannot pass money to each other for any reason...ie draft picks, players, etc. What about paying the other teams cap hit with a player trade?

Examples:
1-texans pay chargers $100 million for Ladanian Tomlinson. Texans will then renegotiate the contract or keep current one.
2-texans pay the atlanta falcons $5 million for their 1st rd draft pick.
3-texans trade David Carr to Denver for Jake Plummer, texans then would incur cap hit for carr and will also pay Denver $xxxxx for the cap hit in trading Plummer
4-tennessee pays minnesota $xxxx to draft Adrian Peterson so the texans can't draft him.

can you do that? just curious. for some reason i don't think you could but i dont know..


How about this one? A pitcher was traded for 60 cases of bud light:
05/01/2006 Schaumburg Assigned the contract of RHP Nigel Thatch (Rookie) to Fullerton of the Golden Baseball League in exchange for 1 pallet (60 cases) of Budweiser beer.

Funny trade stories (http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/ksp113/2006/05/05/Pitcher_dealt_for_60_Cases_of_Bud_plus_the_Top_5_T rade_Talks_that_should_have_happened)

Vinny
01-19-2007, 10:41 AM
I was going to give DatTexBoy the negative rep (the first negative rep I would have ever given out) he is working for so hard for, but Vinny has disabled it. I definitely understand Vinny's point (WHAT? You disagree that Carr is the (greatest/worst) ever - BAM negative rep). But the downside is that DatTexBoy now feels free to crawl out from under his rock and revive his own 2 month old lunacy. I hope the rest of the tinfoil club doesn't find out...well you could give him positive rep with a frowny face comment :-(

Sco-tai
01-19-2007, 12:09 PM
I'm not one to start a rumor :spy: that has no grounding to it neither do I believe most rumors I hear. But obviously, I won't disclose my source but I was told the Texans were paid MILLIONS to not draft Reggie Bush by the Saints. Enough millions to pay Mario Williams:piano:

Does your source know where HOFFA is, too?

TexansLucky13
01-19-2007, 01:01 PM
well you could give him positive rep with a frowny face comment :-(

:thumbup

"You have to spread some reputation around before giving it to Vinny again"

yourfavoritetexan42
01-19-2007, 01:11 PM
This is why I think he is.

Coming into last season, we had a former rookie of the year running back who seemed healthy. We had a quarterback who had potential, and we had a scheme that didn't need a flashy running back.

We had a defense that has never had a good pass rush, and a defense that was just overall bad. One starter I can see on that past defense that deserves his spot (Dunta Robinson).

We had signed Eric Moulds across from AJ to help out our receivers, and we had the weapons.

We had a pro bowl returner in Jerome Mathis.

We were in more desperate need on the defensive side of the ball.


Still a smart decision at the time, and looking at the circumstances.

Little did we know:
DD wasn't healthy
Carr wasn't what we thought
Scheme needs talent to suceed
Mario Williams would play with hurt foot all year

So yes Reggie Bush could have been good to replace DD
And Vince Young could have taken Carrs place in the middle of the season and we could have seen what he would do.

But what we don't know:
Carr could become comeback player of the year
Texans could land Adrian Peterson


so that way, we will have a better qb, a better rb, plus mario williams.


So it still might make sense. Time till tell.

powerfuldragon
01-20-2007, 01:40 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theories

Datexan
01-23-2007, 12:55 AM
I don't get why people get so hyped about what someone said that they don't agree with...I see people losing their mind over stuff that matters very little on these boards when life commands more attention than stressing out over a rumor or what someone may feel is a false statement. I know we love our team and are "fanatics" but be for real. Grow up! Bottom line.

Now back to why MW is a Texan. From what I've heard on the radio and other rumors...is that Casserly wanted Bush but because he was no longer going to be here it was Kubiak's final decision to go with Williams instead of Bush thinking he had DD/W coming back the following season. You can tell by his recent comments of not determining this years' picks based on "if" someone will come back from injury ala Charles Spencer.

DatTexBoy don't trip on these iggnor anuses on this board you and everyone else has the right to their own opinion. Who knows you may be right no matter how outlandish the idea may sound to some. I did see some other people agree with you too!

Ole Miss Texan
01-23-2007, 01:23 AM
How about this one? A pitcher was traded for 60 cases of bud light:


Funny trade stories (http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/ksp113/2006/05/05/Pitcher_dealt_for_60_Cases_of_Bud_plus_the_Top_5_T rade_Talks_that_should_have_happened)

haha awesome, that could really be a good budweiser ad/commercial. I'd love to hear what the 'thinking heads' were talking about when they came up with that. The were probably drunk and out of beer.

jdog
01-23-2007, 06:55 AM
I think the Saints would be less successful without Deuce. Deuce has made it possible for Reggie to help the Saints be successful. It's similar to Reggie and Lendale at USC.

texan2061
01-25-2007, 10:49 PM
It's called the stupidity of Charley Casserly. I am so glad to see him gone.

Hookem Horns
01-25-2007, 11:56 PM
I was told the Texans were paid MILLIONS to not draft Reggie Bush by the Saints. Enough millions to pay Mario Williams:piano:

I heard that the Titans, Colts, and Jaguars all chipped in together and paid the Texans to extend Carr's contract and retain him as the starter for another 3 years.

:tease:

Andrew6
01-26-2007, 12:16 AM
Ha HA AHAHA this is a good threat, Houston wanted all of the ingrates out of Houston so sacrificed RB in the draft.... to me that seems like a very small price to pay for the security we have

Battle Red Flash
01-26-2007, 01:37 PM
I've heard all the rumors about why the Texans did not take Bush, and the one that makes the most sense to me is that Bush looked McNair in the eye and told him he did not take any money in college, and he knew nothing about how his mom got that house, but McNair knew the truth, and knew Bush was lying to him, and told his people to take Mario.
Just my opinion, of course.

DallasGuy74
01-26-2007, 11:03 PM
So if that's true that he was paid not to draft reggie bush, was he also paid not to draft Vince Young?

Sorry, I don't buy that he was paid not to draft him.

The Pencil Neck
01-27-2007, 02:31 PM
So if that's true that he was paid not to draft reggie bush, was he also paid not to draft Vince Young?

Sorry, I don't buy that he was paid not to draft him.

I don't think drafting VY was ever a serious option to anyone but fans of UT. I was shocked he went as high as he did; he was the least polished of the first round QB's. I figured Leinart was going to go to the Titans and then VY would drop to the Raiders or Cardinals. But I never thought I'd see VY in a Texans uni (and didn't want to see him in a Texans uniform, for that matter). In hindsight, I think he would have been better than what we ended up with but going into the season, I didn't expect him to play this well this quickly.

And I don't think McNair was paid to not draft Bush. I think the Bush non-pick was more a matter of character and a matter of need. I don't think Kubiak really wanted to design an offense around getting Bush the ball in new and creative ways (like Payton has done in NO). I think Kubes has a system he wants to implement and I don't think he saw Bush fitting into that system.