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joshri
11-08-2006, 09:46 AM
Sorry if this is speculating too much but I can't help myself.

Lance Briggs - Great player and almost a total lock to leave the Bears at the end of the season. Don't you think he would be a great way to turn things even more so around here in Houston? Does he fit the system?

Other LB FA's - Cato June, Adalius Thomas

Michael Turner - Will probably leave SD b/ he is too good to backup LT anymore. I'd love to see him also come here.

DB's include Nate Clements and Asante Samuel. Clements probably going at too high a price tag though.

Anyway, I am purely speculating without knowing much about cap room.

This link shows some of the potential FA's.

srstex
11-08-2006, 10:13 AM
Sorry if this is speculating too much but I can't help myself.

Lance Briggs - Great player and almost a total lock to leave the Bears at the end of the season. Don't you think he would be a great way to turn things even more so around here in Houston? Does he fit the system?

Other LB FA's - Cato June, Adalius Thomas

Michael Turner - Will probably leave SD b/ he is too good to backup LT anymore. I'd love to see him also come here.

DB's include Nate Clements and Asante Samuel. Clements probably going at too high a price tag though.

Anyway, I am purely speculating without knowing much about cap room.

This link shows some of the potential FA's.

I like Brigg's too, but he will be looking for Arrington type cash, and with what Kubiak found in Ryans we might want to look ( in the SEC ) at another rookie to start opposite Wong-Orr. If Mario continues with the sack a game and the pressures, Peek can become a mad man on the other side, and although I like Babin he may be the one on the bubble. We need a running back and Turner does look awesome, but RB is the easiest position to transition to the NFL and DD came in the 4th, so he would not get the big bucks from us other teams may throw at him. DISCLAIMER-I am a fan, nothing more, and these are my takes on what is a great question.

LORK 88
11-08-2006, 11:09 AM
Turner is a RFA so odds are, San Diego will put the highest tag on him so that anyone that wants him will have to give up at least a 1st. My opinion on FA is that we need a good veteran RB (im still praying for Turner), and a big catch on Defense. If we can, it will make the draft so much easier.

Hulk75
11-08-2006, 11:32 AM
Turner is a RFA so odds are, San Diego will put the highest tag on him so that anyone that wants him will have to give up at least a 1st. My opinion on FA is that we need a good veteran RB (im still praying for Turner), and a big catch on Defense. If we can, it will make the draft so much easier.

And to answer your AVATAR question, "What is the difference"- Mario and his arm size:cool: , everything eles looks good to me.

TexanSam
11-08-2006, 12:34 PM
I would love to have Briggs come here. If we have a chance to sign him, I'd be extremely happy. I don't think we'll get Michael Turner though. We'd probably have to give up a high draft pick for him since he's a restricted free agent and I'm not willing to do that (especially since we'll probably be drafting in the top 10 of each round), especially for a guy who, although he looks the part, hasn't ever been the main running back for an entire season.

Second Honeymoon
11-08-2006, 01:16 PM
Nate Clements should be our big FA target this year. Going the free agency route for RB is rarely a good idea and has rarely worked to great effect. I don't want to have to overpay for another teams 2nd string RB...I think the system can develop one of our existing RBs

Lets hit Clements in FA and draft top CB,DL, or OLB available in the 1st round. That would start to give us some depth and some flexibility in the secondary. I think Troy Vincent deserves a look and feel the Texans dropped the ball by passing on him in this years week7 waiver wire. He is kinda old but depth for a few years would be nice and can't hurt.

Hopefully we adopt the Bears/Panthers team philosophy and build our team around a good defense and opportunistic offense. I think its the safest bet and probably the quickest ride. We need to continue to draft defense and not continue to overpay for other team's discarded cargo...

doug ftw

run-david-run
11-08-2006, 02:11 PM
I would love to get Samuel. He is very steady without getting a bunch of recognition, and teaming his up with D-rob is a scary idea (for the other teams). However, if we were only going to make one big signing, I would preffer us to get a true, established free saftey who can be relied on to cover TE's and not make any pass over the middle an adventure (Ken Hamlin maybe?). Anyway, I think we should focus on improving the defense through FA while drafting for offense because as a defender you can contribute right away without too much focus on learning the system, because most defenses are very simmillar, especialy for the DB's, while as an offensive player you will have to learn a new system if you are a rook or a 15 year vet.

Edit: unless we are in position to get a stud-linebacker, because that is probably our most needy position along with saftey.

kcwilson
11-08-2006, 02:17 PM
Nate Clements should be our big FA target this year. Going the free agency route for RB is rarely a good idea and has rarely worked to great effect. I don't want to have to overpay for another teams 2nd string RB...I think the system can develop one of our existing RBs

Lets hit Clements in FA and draft top CB,DL, or OLB available in the 1st round. That would start to give us some depth and some flexibility in the secondary. I think Troy Vincent deserves a look and feel the Texans dropped the ball by passing on him in this years week7 waiver wire. He is kinda old but depth for a few years would be nice and can't hurt.

Hopefully we adopt the Bears/Panthers team philosophy and build our team around a good defense and opportunistic offense. I think its the safest bet and probably the quickest ride. We need to continue to draft defense and not continue to overpay for other team's discarded cargo...

doug ftw


In my opinion, the biggest factor in someone like Nate Clements coming to Houston is the 2nd half performance of Mario Williams and DeMeco Ryans. If they can show that they can put more pressure on the QB, then that will make it attractive for Clements to come here because he would (a) get the money he wants, (b) become the #1 CB with a really good #2 in D-Rob, and (c) most importantly, feel as if the up front pressue would result in more INTs for him and increase the likelihood of him being an annual ProBowler.

If Mario slacks off in the 2nd half performance, or if the defense looks like it did the first few weeks, there is no way he comes here just because of money.

Porky
11-08-2006, 02:37 PM
I'm not sure why Briggs would go from a Super Bowl contender to an also ran unless you want to pay out the wazoo. :francis:

canadiantexan
11-08-2006, 02:41 PM
I'm not sure why Briggs would go from a Super Bowl contender to an also ran unless you want to pay out the wazoo. :francis:

They wont be able to pay all those guys for long. Sooner or later they are going to have to let some pieces of that defense to leave. Just like the Pats have the last few years.

run-david-run
11-09-2006, 02:56 AM
I'm not sure why Briggs would go from a Super Bowl contender to an also ran unless you want to pay out the wazoo. :francis:

Yeah, that would be like going from a SuperBowl contender with a great offense to a perenial looser with no offensive line. No one ever does that.

On the other hand, its worked out terribly for both the Cards and Edge, so lets avoid the realy top level of FA's, especially when they have one of the best front 4's in football in front of them and Defenseive player of the Year next to them beefing up their production and their price tag

Jwwillis
11-09-2006, 04:06 AM
What about a trade for LB and a HB in FA. Trade down for D-2ndary/linemen use the 1st rounder for trade bait or get more 2-3rd round picks. I wouldnt say FA HB's usually don't pan out. You just have to be smart about it. Taking edge was stupid. Grab a guy from a team that has no cap room for 2 good HB's. Jacksonville/Dallas/N.O./Giants/Denver etc. Not a HB that's at the end of his career looking for phat loot. How about keep Sage trade Carr for a HB../snicker

IshouldbeGM
11-09-2006, 06:49 PM
i wouldnt mind trading for marion barber III from dallas!! I'd give up a 3rd for him. I also wouldnt mind trading for brandon jacobs out of ny, id give a 3rd for him too.

brewhaus
11-09-2006, 07:23 PM
i wouldnt mind trading for marion barber III from dallas!! I'd give up a 3rd for him. I also wouldnt mind trading for brandon jacobs out of ny, id give a 3rd for him too.

Sorry GM, but I don't think either of those bruisers are going anywhere.

TexanSam
11-09-2006, 08:10 PM
i wouldnt mind trading for marion barber III from dallas!! I'd give up a 3rd for him. I also wouldnt mind trading for brandon jacobs out of ny, id give a 3rd for him too.

Jacobs will be the Giant starting running back when Tiki Barber retires after this season. There's no way the Cowboys part with Marion Barber either. Julius Jones seems to be a little injury prone and they need a backup. That and Jones and Marion Barber make for a good 1-2 punch. Neither scenario seems realistic.

run-david-run
11-09-2006, 08:32 PM
Your best bet with a running back is the draft, because its the lowest risk, unless you decided to pay a guy $60M to be a decoy

Insideop
11-09-2006, 11:52 PM
I mentioned this on another thread, that I don't really have a good idea who's out there in the FA market or who's coming up in the draft. It's still too early to tell what or who the Texans will be going for in either. My thought at this point though is that they will probably go after O-line and front 7 players on defense again. Alot of this depends on the play of Lundy, if DD comes back next year, and the play of the secondary for the rest of this year.

I still feel they have to address the O-line due to the ages of Flanagan, Wiegert, McKinney, and Salaam. All are getting old and slow, though they seem to be playing fairly well this year. If we could pick up a good 4th or 5th year starting O-lineman in FA, then maybe get another in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft, it would go a long way in building and solidifying this line.

As for defense, they need to find a replacement for Payne (don't know how good Maddox is yet), and they need more LBer help. Maybe we can pick one of these up in FA and go for the other in the draft.

I think with the 1st round pick in the draft, Kubes may go for a RB (not likely and depends on who's out there), but more likely will go after secondary help.
Speaking of the draft, has anyone heard what positions will be deep and what will be thin? That will determine alot what Kubes does with his picks and also FA. JMHO!

AtheGreat
11-10-2006, 12:20 AM
Your best bet with a running back is the draft, because its the lowest risk, unless you decided to pay a guy $60M to be a decoy

being able to slide those Reggie jokes in will never get old. (long as he keeps sucking)

on another note, if McNair decides to spend some $$ in the FA, go and grab John Lynch. Dude can lay the wood and that seems to be something our D lacks. pop. though, i'm not positive on if he's a RFA or UFA but he'll be available this offseason.

also, Starks from the defending champion 2-6 Steelers would be some nice Oline help. can never have too much of that around here.

bah007
11-10-2006, 12:27 AM
being able to slide those Reggie jokes in will never get old. (long as he keeps sucking)

on another note, if McNair decides to spend some $$ in the FA, go and grab John Lynch. Dude can lay the wood and that seems to be something our D lacks. pop. though, i'm not positive on if he's a RFA or UFA but he'll be available this offseason.

also, Starks from the defending champion 2-6 Steelers would be some nice Oline help. can never have too much of that around here.

A lot of people on this board would be against drafting Landry or Griffin so I guess they would be against signing Lynch.

He hits harder than both but is AWFUL in coverage.

I would like to have him tho if we didnt draft one of those two safeties.

YoungTexanFan
11-10-2006, 12:30 AM
being able to slide those Reggie jokes in will never get old. (long as he keeps sucking)

on another note, if McNair decides to spend some $$ in the FA, go and grab John Lynch. Dude can lay the wood and that seems to be something our D lacks. pop. though, i'm not positive on if he's a RFA or UFA but he'll be available this offseason.

also, Starks from the defending champion 2-6 Steelers would be some nice Oline help. can never have too much of that around here.

I don't want Lynch. He is an older Earl. No coverage who can hit you hard on a crossing pattern.

bigbrewster2000
11-10-2006, 12:33 AM
being able to slide those Reggie jokes in will never get old. (long as he keeps sucking)

on another note, if McNair decides to spend some $$ in the FA, go and grab John Lynch. Dude can lay the wood and that seems to be something our D lacks. pop. though, i'm not positive on if he's a RFA or UFA but he'll be available this offseason.

also, Starks from the defending champion 2-6 Steelers would be some nice Oline help. can never have too much of that around here.

Players are only eligible for RFA when they are coming off of their 1st contract so to answer your question Lynch is a UFA but I would rather draft A safety. I would like to see Laron Landry personally.

whiskeyrbl
11-10-2006, 01:31 AM
The perfect offseason to me would be
Draft:
Rd1-- La Ron landry-DB
RD2-- Paul Pusluszny, Pat willis, or Rufus Alexander LB
RD3-- Kenny Irons RB
RD4-- Brian Leonard FB
RD5--best OL available
Rd6-- Crosby PK
RD7--- BPA
FA:
Lance Briggs or Adalius Thomas--LB
Nate Clements or Asante Samuel-DB
:marionaner:

run-david-run
11-10-2006, 12:25 PM
I doubt Irons falls to the 3rd, but anything is possible on draft day

real
11-10-2006, 12:27 PM
I doubt Irons falls to the 3rd, but anything is possible on draft day

Irons may not fall, but I think we will still be able to get a good back in that rd. if Kubes decides we need one...

I like Darby out of Arkansas as a good late rd. back...

bah007
11-10-2006, 12:30 PM
Irons may not fall, but I think we will still be able to get a good back in that rd. if Kubes decides we need one...

I like Darby out of Arkansas as a good late rd. back...

Hes at Alabama.

bah007
11-10-2006, 12:31 PM
Arkansas has McFadden & Jones but they are both soph.

real
11-10-2006, 12:33 PM
Hes at Alabama.

Yeah...thats what I meant....

Big J
11-10-2006, 12:43 PM
The perfect offseason to me would be
Draft:
Rd1-- La Ron landry-DB
RD2-- Paul Pusluszny, Pat willis, or Rufus Alexander LB
RD3-- Kenny Irons RB
RD4-- Brian Leonard FB
RD5--best OL available
Rd6-- Crosby PK
RD7--- BPA
FA:
Lance Briggs or Adalius Thomas--LB
Nate Clements or Asante Samuel-DB
:marionaner:

The Penn State LB is not going to fall out of the first round...kenny irons MAY fall to the second. That would be a great pick up.

Meloy
11-10-2006, 03:13 PM
The perfect offseason to me would be
Draft:
Rd1-- La Ron landry-DB
RD2-- Paul Pusluszny, Pat willis, or Rufus Alexander LB
RD3-- Kenny Irons RB
RD4-- Brian Leonard FB
RD5--best OL available
Rd6-- Crosby PK
RD7--- BPA
FA:
Lance Briggs or Adalius Thomas--LB
Nate Clements or Asante Samuel-DB
:marionaner: So you are certain that Spencer comes back to start at left OT and that Winston will take over at RT? McKinney will be in 10th year, Flanagan in 12th, Salaam in 10th & Hodgdon will get significant playing time? Pitts seems the only sure fire starter on Oline next season at this point. I just can't see not taking a OT in first round especially if Thomas & Gaither are what people are saying. Let's wrap up the ? on o line in draft!

TexansSeminole
11-10-2006, 03:44 PM
So you are certain that Spencer comes back to start at left OT and that Winston will take over at RT? McKinney will be in 10th year, Flanagan in 12th, Salaam in 10th & Hodgdon will get significant playing time? Pitts seems the only sure fire starter on Oline next season at this point. I just can't see not taking a OT in first round especially if Thomas & Gaither are what people are saying. Let's wrap up the ? on o line in draft!

I think Kubes' system is a much different than most coaches when it comes to Oline and Running backs. He seems to look for a certain type of offensive lineman and seems to look for a certain type of runner. I think alot of the time, because of this, he sees guys that are going to go later in the draft as guys that fit the best in his oline and running back system. So I really dont think he feels the need to grab an O lineman or Running back too early in the draft. I'd suspect that he will address defense once more in the first round.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/nfl/freeagentsDB.html

I posted this link something like 3 weeks ago, it shows the top DB FAs. It also has links to the other top FAs of other positions.

The Top 4 safeties on that list are all good, and we would be smart to pick any of them up.

Also, like many of others have said, picking up Nate Clements or Asante Samuel (if we don't plan on drafting another CB) would be a smart plan.

Meloy
11-10-2006, 05:04 PM
I think Kubes' system is a much different than most coaches when it comes to Oline and Running backs. He seems to look for a certain type of offensive lineman and seems to look for a certain type of runner. I think alot of the time, because of this, he sees guys that are going to go later in the draft as guys that fit the best in his oline and running back system. So I really dont think he feels the need to grab an O lineman or Running back too early in the draft. I'd suspect that he will address defense once more in the first round.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/nfl/freeagentsDB.html

I posted this link something like 3 weeks ago, it shows the top DB FAs. It also has links to the other top FAs of other positions.

The Top 4 safeties on that list are all good, and we would be smart to pick any of them up.

Also, like many of others have said, picking up Nate Clements or Asante Samuel (if we don't plan on drafting another CB) would be a smart plan.I understand your thought, but 2 positions have not been resolved and are constantly discussed on MB. Left tackle and running back. Nothing says either positon has been resolved despite Lundy and Spencer's brief success. It is obvious at least to me that Kubes can not just take someone and get 1000yds at back. We've gone thru too many guys for that theory to have weight. I am hopeful that both guys will solidify respective positions next year, but I want a left OT in first round. I also would draft another back in latter rounds no matter what Wali does the rest of season but that's just me. FYI in my other recent posts I've suggested Kolb if avail in 3rd to fight out back up with Sage.

YoungTexanFan
11-10-2006, 05:13 PM
I think Kubes' system is a much different than most coaches when it comes to Oline and Running backs. He seems to look for a certain type of offensive lineman and seems to look for a certain type of runner.



Kubiak isn't running that much of a different system than what we ran before he arrived. We ran a version of the zone blocking scheme last year and were sucessful at it. Any preconcieved mold that you may be suggesting is instantly thrown out with our two 3rd round picks last year. Winston is 6'6 315, and Spence is/was 353 at draft time. Those are some big boys. Granted they are quick for their size, but certinally not similiar to any of the Denver linemen or even in that mold.

infantrycak
11-10-2006, 05:39 PM
Winston is 6'6 315, and Spence is/was 353 at draft time. Those are some big boys. Granted they are quick for their size, but certinally not similiar to any of the Denver linemen or even in that mold.

Their RT (who happens to be the only 1st round draft pick on their line) George Foster goes 6'5" 338 lbs. I really think the Denver crew picks guys they like, particularly those who move well, rather than having some sort of size preoccupation. The size thing is just the media's easy way of describing what resulted on average rather than a reflection of a priority.

Insideop
11-10-2006, 06:00 PM
The perfect offseason to me would be
Draft:
Rd1-- La Ron landry-DB
RD2-- Paul Pusluszny, Pat willis, or Rufus Alexander LB
RD3-- Kenny Irons RB
RD4-- Brian Leonard FB
RD5--best OL available
Rd6-- Crosby PK
RD7--- BPA
FA:
Lance Briggs or Adalius Thomas--LB
Nate Clements or Asante Samuel-DB
:marionaner:


Whiskeyrbl, I might agree with your draft picks if we pick up at least 2 good O-linemen and at least 1 good DT in FA. But, I can't see us just taking the "best OL available" in the 5th round and only picking up a LB and a DB in FA. We have to address the O-line and D-line in FA and/or the draft. That should be obvious with the age of some of our O-line and loss of Spencer, and the loss of Payne and Malone in the D-line. We need more depth in these 2 areas badly. JMHO!

thunderkyss
11-10-2006, 06:55 PM
I understand your thought, but 2 positions have not been resolved and are constantly discussed on MB. Left tackle and running back. Nothing says either positon has been resolved despite Lundy and Spencer's brief success. It is obvious at least to me that Kubes can not just take someone and get 1000yds at back. We've gone thru too many guys for that theory to have weight. I am hopeful that both guys will solidify respective positions next year, but I want a left OT in first round. I also would draft another back in latter rounds no matter what Wali does the rest of season but that's just me. FYI in my other recent posts I've suggested Kolb if avail in 3rd to fight out back up with Sage.

I still believe......

until we can watch our OL, and say, "Yup...... that's the way they do it in Denver" then we can't expect to start picking 1000 yrd RBs out of thing Air.

We've got Wali...... Dayne...... Gado.... & Taylor. Unless there is someone in the draft that Kubiak really likes, expect us to pass on RB, especially if we have to move up to get him.

1st round will most likely be a DT, unless TJ really turns it around in the next 8 games. Then a LB/Center, depending who is there.

I expect to see a young guard none of us are even thinking about brought into Houston Through FA..... as well as a young DB that hasn't peeked, or become a household name yet.

Second day picks will be young offensive linemen, and LBs.. maybe even another T.E.

IshouldbeGM
11-10-2006, 07:03 PM
Originally Posted by whiskeyrbl View Post
The perfect offseason to me would be
Draft:
Rd1-- La Ron landry-DB
RD2-- Paul Pusluszny, Pat willis, or Rufus Alexander LB
RD3-- Kenny Irons RB
RD4-- Brian Leonard FB
RD5--best OL available
Rd6-- Crosby PK
RD7--- BPA
FA:
Lance Briggs or Adalius Thomas--LB
Nate Clements or Asante Samuel-DB



i dont agree with this draft, no 1...no joke, we need more pass rush. rd 1 we have to either go for joe thomas lt from wisconsin, if not him, then go after glen dorsey or gaines adams. without pass rush up front, our secondary will continue to get exposed by indy. we cant afford to have 2 guarunteed losses a yr! 2nd round, id go after a corner, if we can get posluzny or landry in the early 2nd id be for it as well. 3rd rd we can find a good rb.