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Wolf
11-07-2006, 09:04 PM
And the award goes to...

Sports Illustrated's Peter King hands out his first half awards and DeMeco leads the list for defensive rookie of the year.
Defensive Rookie

1. DeMeco Ryans, middle linebacker, Houston; 2. Donte Whitner, strong safety, Buffalo; 3. Ernie Sims, outside linebacker, Detroit. Through five weeks, Ryans was the leading tackler in football; now he's tied for fourth. Instinctive and ferocious, Ryans might end up having more impact on the Texans than Mario Williams, though Williams has played much better the last couple of week

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/11/07/mmqbte/1.html

also head page of www.demecoryans.net

Wolf
11-07-2006, 09:27 PM
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/peter_king/11/07/mmqbte/t1_ryans.jpg

here is the pic

Wolf
11-07-2006, 09:29 PM
his take on Casserly ...I don't know ...I personally thing CC didn't really have much to do with the draft..he was on his way out anyway..

Goldeagle
11-07-2006, 09:35 PM
After Dunta Robinson got robbed of the rookie D of the Year, Im glad Demeco seems to be in the lead.

Runner
11-07-2006, 09:39 PM
his take on Casserly ...I don't know ...I personally thing CC didn't really have much to do with the draft..he was on his way out anyway..

I don't know - earlier in the year when Mario was off to a slow start it was posted that Williams was Casserly's pick, not Kubiak's. I'm sure that perception is chaging by now and as Williams improves he will be a KUbiak pick.

This is an over generalization, but the only thing I can determine from the board is that Casserly had complete control on bad picks and was powerless on the good ones.

I think that player development had far more to do with draft day errors than the talent picked. I think the Texans have hurt some careers that could have been decent if drafted into another situation.

Wolf
11-07-2006, 09:45 PM
I don't know - earlier in the year when Mario was off to a slow start it was posted that Williams was Casserly's pick, not Kubiak's. I'm sure that perception is chaging by now and as Williams improves he will be a KUbiak pick.

This is an over generalization, but the only thing I can determine from the board is that Casserly had complete control on bad picks and was powerless on the good ones.

I think that player development had far more to do with draft day errors than the talent picked. I think the Texans have hurt some careers that could have been decent if drafted into another situation.


I agree with that.. my point is CC was basically a "lame duck" GM on draft day, I just wonder ..

Runner
11-07-2006, 09:54 PM
I agree with that.. my point is CC was basically a "lame duck" GM on draft day, I just wonder ..

I know what you are saying. I also think Kubiak had a lot of power in that draft room. He is the most powerful single person in the Texans' short history. Kubiak doesn't have a lot of checks and balances on him right now.

mexican_texan
11-07-2006, 09:56 PM
Casserly did not draft guys Capers did not want. The coach has more say in who to draft than the GM. However, the Mario pick was mutual.

Wolf
11-07-2006, 09:58 PM
I know what you are saying. I also think Kubiak had a lot of power in that draft room. He is the most powerful single person in the Texans' short history. Kubiak doesn't have a lot of checks and balances on him right now.

very true

TexansSeminole
11-07-2006, 10:52 PM
Casserly did not draft guys Capers did not want. The coach has more say in who to draft than the GM. However, the Mario pick was mutual.

I've always thought that the GM and his staff sorted the players up and told the coach who was impressive and such and let the coach watch film on the guy or go visit him and decide what he wants. GM (organizer), Coach/Coaches (decision maker/s).

That's how I always thought it was.

kfranco_utexas
11-07-2006, 11:14 PM
Mexican Texan,
Glad to see you supporting the Horns.:redtowel:

mexican_texan
11-07-2006, 11:17 PM
Mexican Texan,
Glad to see you supporting the Horns.:redtowel:
http://www.gothamist.com/attachments/sports_peter/2006_01_syoung.jpg

phan1
11-08-2006, 01:35 AM
Not to dismiss Ryan's accomplishments at all, but he does play the middle linebacker position. I really think it's about an "instant impact" position on defense as the RB position on offense. MLB should always be the #1 tackler on the team. Plus, it's not like he's facing any real competition this year. He's going to pretty much run away with the award this year. Having said that, it's really great to see him doing so well this year. Hopefully, he'll build up his body even more in the next few years. If he builds up some more speed and strength to go along with his instincts, he's going to be a beast.

I just find it a little humorous how people are saying our #2 pick is having a much bigger impact than our #1 pick ect. He's a MLB! He SHOULD be putting up better #s than our rookie DE, especially one that's as raw as Mario. Mario Williams is still the #1 pick cause you just aren't going to find a guy like him every year. But the Zack Thomases, the Totuppus, and the Datt Nguyens of the world pop up pretty regularly. It really makes you think how people should judge more on football IQ at the LB position rather than a player's physical talents.

HJam72
11-08-2006, 03:08 AM
Demeco is one of the best MLBs in the NFL this year. I don't think Mario has had one of the best first halfs at his position, although I'm not gonna look it all up, talking about tackles, assists, and sacks. Nothing against Mario, but I'm still thinking that Ryans is our best rookie right now. Of course, that could change.

aj.
11-08-2006, 07:30 AM
I thought Peter King was a dumb ass?


There is one thing that irritates the hell out of me though and it's during that "Football in America" abortion of a pre-game/halftime show that Costas hosts. They turn to King and he says something like "I just got off the phone with Bill Cowher and he said..." or "Chad just text'd me and he said" blah blah blah ...as if he's preeminently connected.

Runner
11-08-2006, 07:41 AM
I thought Peter King was a dumb ass?


I've been wondering the same thing. The board has generally hated the national media for months. Now that they've given us a coquettish grin and a smack on butt the board seems deep in the grip of periphesence.

aj.
11-08-2006, 07:47 AM
... periphesence.

I'm guessing that equates to runner's euphoria...

Runner
11-08-2006, 07:50 AM
Similar. Very similar.

HJam72
11-08-2006, 08:22 AM
Similar. Very similar.

Well, as long as you're happy. :)

brewhaus
11-08-2006, 09:05 AM
I thought Peter King was a dumb ass?.

He is. He dogged-out the Texans earlier in the year (Mario in particular).

real
11-08-2006, 09:23 AM
Not to dismiss Ryan's accomplishments at all, but he does play the middle linebacker position. I really think it's about an "instant impact" position on defense as the RB position on offense. MLB should always be the #1 tackler on the team. Plus, it's not like he's facing any real competition this year. He's going to pretty much run away with the award this year. Having said that, it's really great to see him doing so well this year. Hopefully, he'll build up his body even more in the next few years. If he builds up some more speed and strength to go along with his instincts, he's going to be a beast.

I just find it a little humorous how people are saying our #2 pick is having a much bigger impact than our #1 pick ect. He's a MLB! He SHOULD be putting up better #s than our rookie DE, especially one that's as raw as Mario. Mario Williams is still the #1 pick cause you just aren't going to find a guy like him every year. But the Zack Thomases, the Totuppus, and the Datt Nguyens of the world pop up pretty regularly. It really makes you think how people should judge more on football IQ at the LB position rather than a player's physical talents.

Sounds a bit like you're diminishing Meco accomplishments....

He's not just leading the team in tackles...He leads the leauge in solos, and is fourth in total tackles....

And no....guys like that don't come around everyday....

phan1
11-08-2006, 04:31 PM
Sounds a bit like you're diminishing Meco accomplishments....

He's not just leading the team in tackles...He leads the leauge in solos, and is fourth in total tackles....

And no....guys like that don't come around everyday....

I'm just pointing out the fact that there is a reason Mario is a #1 pick and there is a reason why Ryans is a #33 pick (which isn't a low pic by any means). There is a reason Bush is the #2 pick and Colston is the #250-whatever pick. People shouldn't really think that it's awkward or humorous that our #2 pick has outperformed our #1. There's a reason for it. And yeah, a lot of that reason is that he's a darn good player.

getball2dre
11-08-2006, 04:52 PM
You have a valid argument, but you cannot take away from what Ryans has done on the field this year. He has become a leader on the defensive side of the ball and makes all the defensive calls out there. Show some respect and applaud a rookie who is getting the job done in the NFL.

Wolf
11-08-2006, 07:31 PM
I'm just pointing out the fact that there is a reason Mario is a #1 pick and there is a reason why Ryans is a #33 pick (which isn't a low pic by any means). There is a reason Bush is the #2 pick and Colston is the #250-whatever pick. People shouldn't really think that it's awkward or humorous that our #2 pick has outperformed our #1. There's a reason for it. And yeah, a lot of that reason is that he's a darn good player.

Williams = decoy :heh:

seriously.. I think it says something greenwood lead us last season with 112 followed by polk with 93

Ryans is on pace to beat that (not Texans record) but what we had last season

tulexan
11-08-2006, 07:58 PM
I agree with that.. my point is CC was basically a "lame duck" GM on draft day, I just wonder ..

Wasn't Owen Daniels CC's pick?

Wolf
11-08-2006, 08:03 PM
technically yes, but I wonder how much imput did CC have knowing he wasn't going to be there, I would think Kubiak would have the most input,afterall he is the one going through the season.

I bring this up because reports (house for sale also) early in the Texan offseason, and I also read reports about why would the Texans let him go before draft.. he has all the insight of what the Texans were going to try to do on draftday..


I don't know, I just haven't overly been impressed with CC and his drafts over the years.. maybe it was the coaching of the players

beerlover
11-08-2006, 08:30 PM
Not to dismiss Ryan's accomplishments at all, but he does play the middle linebacker position. I really think it's about an "instant impact" position on defense as the RB position on offense. MLB should always be the #1 tackler on the team. Plus, it's not like he's facing any real competition this year. He's going to pretty much run away with the award this year. Having said that, it's really great to see him doing so well this year. Hopefully, he'll build up his body even more in the next few years. If he builds up some more speed and strength to go along with his instincts, he's going to be a beast.

I just find it a little humorous how people are saying our #2 pick is having a much bigger impact than our #1 pick ect. He's a MLB! He SHOULD be putting up better #s than our rookie DE, especially one that's as raw as Mario. Mario Williams is still the #1 pick cause you just aren't going to find a guy like him every year. But the Zack Thomases, the Totuppus, and the Datt Nguyens of the world pop up pretty regularly. It really makes you think how people should judge more on football IQ at the LB position rather than a player's physical talents.

I agree with your assesment. Everyday I'm happier that the Texans drafted Mario Williams & thankfull DeMeco Ryans was still available. The Texans need both of them to improve this skeleton of an expansion franchise defense. We can also agree & look forward now of Drafts to come with some hope that our patience will be vindicated for a change, not layed broken & bloodied on the rocks of ineptness :yikes:

keyser
11-08-2006, 10:48 PM
technically yes, but I wonder how much imput did CC have knowing he wasn't going to be there, I would think Kubiak would have the most input,afterall he is the one going through the season.

I bring this up because reports (house for sale also) early in the Texan offseason, and I also read reports about why would the Texans let him go before draft.. he has all the insight of what the Texans were going to try to do on draftday..


I don't know, I just haven't overly been impressed with CC and his drafts over the years.. maybe it was the coaching of the players

Did the Texans' scouting staff change much (or at all) either before or after Casserly left? I'd guess that they have just as much of an impact as the GM on how good the draft turns out, particularly for the later-round players.

Overall, I really liked the draft this year both on draft day(s) and now as I've seen the players develop. Actually, during the draft, I thought Ko Simpson would be a better choice than Daniels in the 4th, and was uncertain about Spencer, but in hindsight, both choices seem good.

aj.
11-09-2006, 06:25 AM
Did the Texans' scouting staff change much (or at all) either before or after Casserly left? .

No. They are basically the same group except that Dale Strahm was brought in from Denver as the new Director of College Scouting this year. Mike Maccagnan retained his position as College scouting coordinator and I think all the regional guys are pretty much the same as before. Not sure what the difference is between Strahm and Maccagnan's duties.

On the Pro side, Bobby Grier and Miller McCalmon are still the main two guys. Many of the scouts are Casserly guys.

In other words, it was pretty much the same scouting staff that racked and stacked the talent this year as in the past.

TheOgre
11-09-2006, 08:03 AM
his take on Casserly ...I don't know ...I personally thing CC didn't really have much to do with the draft..he was on his way out anyway..


Clearly Williams was Kubiak's pick not Casserly's. Just go look at the history of the Broncos and the ease with which they have found RB's but the difficulty they have had finding quality D-linemen and CB's.

However, Casserly and the scouts were instrumental in the Owen Daniels selection. They spent a portion of that Saturday night between the two days of drafting convincing Kubiak that he was the guy to take.

I would provide a link, but I heard this on 610am after the draft.

Casserly did the same thing he always did. He provided info to the coach, threw in his two cents worth, but let the coach make the final decision. Heck he might as well be the head of the stats department if that is all he does. I am glad that he seemed to take more of a stand when it came to Daniels. That guy was a steal in the 4th round.

Texan1
11-09-2006, 08:19 AM
I assume it was Kubes' draft and not Casserly's. The thing that points to this for me is the fact that all Texans drafts prior to this one stunk; then this draft was probably the best in the NFL. And the only thing that changed for this draft was the addition of Kubes.

beerlover
11-09-2006, 09:07 AM
I'll trust what AJ says so maybe not the gathering but decision making is what really changed...for the better :twocents:

Runner
11-09-2006, 09:18 AM
I assume it was Kubes' draft and not Casserly's. The thing that points to this for me is the fact that all Texans drafts prior to this one stunk; then this draft was probably the best in the NFL. And the only thing that changed for this draft was the addition of Kubes.

I'll trust what AJ says so maybe not the gathering but decision making is what really changed...for the better :twocents:

I think the other thing that changed is that we have a coaching staff that develops players and does a better job of handing out playing time based on performance, not seniority and salary.

QB75
11-09-2006, 09:22 AM
http://www.gothamist.com/attachments/sports_peter/2006_01_syoung.jpg

Nice pic, but probably the last in which VY is celebrating a championship.

beerlover
11-09-2006, 09:51 AM
here is an updated 2006 draft class grade from GBN- :)

Houston…The Texans' 2006 will always be remembered for the fact that Houston took DE Mario Williams over RB Reggie Bush and QB Vince Young. While the move was roundly panned, it's looking better these days as neither Bush nor Young has exactly set the world on fire during the early part of their rookie campaigns. Of course, neither has Williams, but he has been solid enough posting 4.5 sacks and 25 tackles overall. And lost amid the hullabaloo surrounding the Williams' situation is the fact that the Texans have receieved outstanding production from their 2006 rookie class overall. MLB DeMeco Ryans, for example, may turn out to be one of the steals of last April's draft, or at least as much of a steal as the first player chosen in that round can be. Ryans, the former Alabama star, leads all rookie tacklers with 73 stops including 2.5 sacks. On the other side of the ball, 6th round RB Wali Lundy has battled inconsistency at times, but has emerged as the Texans' best back this fall, rushing for over 300 yards, while catching 14 passes. Meanwhile, TE Owen Daniels has emerged as a reliable underneath receiver and red-zone target, catching 21 passes 5 of which went for TDs. And the Texans grade would be even higher except that OT Charles Spencer, a third round pick who had established himself as a bulwark on the team's offensive line was lost for the year with an injury... First-year mid-season grade: A

http://www.gbnreport.com/2006midseasondraftgrades.html