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[[Gary Kubiak]]
11-05-2006, 11:00 PM
There was a reason the G-Men kept hammering to the right side of our run defense. This guy is not gonna survive to next year. Why not make changes now?

Were paying this guy so much to be non productive like this. S.Orr is no better

TexanSam
11-05-2006, 11:04 PM
Who do we put in there though? Besides Demeco Ryans, our LB corps in terrible. There's a bunch of holes in this team, but the biggest one, IMO, in linebacker. Morlon Greenwood is another mistake from the Casserly-era.

Goldeagle
11-05-2006, 11:04 PM
I imagine we will be looking for another stud LB in the draft.

V Man
11-05-2006, 11:06 PM
];490897']There was a reason the G-Men kept hammering to the right side of our run defense. This guy is not gonna survive to next year. Why not make changes now?

Were paying this guy so much to be non productive like this. S.Orr is no better

It was more like running the stretch and attacked the edge (off tackle) and showed that we are weak at both outside LB's. (Where was Wong today? Was he inactive and I missed it?)

PS I am about to give Morlon back to the agency that I adopted him from. 49 tackles in 8 games for a LB who is on the field all the time is terrible. At least Orr can say that he doesn't play on passing downs (but that doesn't excuse him from the fact that he is terrible also.)

YoungTexanFan
11-05-2006, 11:15 PM
Who are we supposed to put in to replace him? He's better than Orr, and Orr is good enough to start for us right now.

painekiller
11-05-2006, 11:21 PM
Wong was inactive due to a tight hamstring.

YoungTexanFan
11-05-2006, 11:24 PM
];490913']Good Point!!!! Where the heck was Wong!?

Orr is a decent pass rusher, but shockey exposed him in coverage.

Shockey exposes a lot of people in coverage, but Orr isn't very good in many aspects of football, not just covering a freak like Shockey.

Brandon420tx
11-06-2006, 01:20 AM
IMO Orr has been playing better since Wong has been getting healthier, seems a little afraid to lose his job. You guys seem to be forgetting that early in the game Orr dropped the Giants RB (I think it was Bradon Jacobs) behind the line. It was a pretty good play and he has around 2-4 a game, Greenwood on the otherhand can go back to Miami for all I care.

YoungTexanFan
11-06-2006, 06:54 AM
IMO Orr has been playing better since Wong has been getting healthier, seems a little afraid to lose his job. You guys seem to be forgetting that early in the game Orr dropped the Giants RB (I think it was Bradon Jacobs) behind the line. It was a pretty good play and he has around 2-4 a game, Greenwood on the otherhand can go back to Miami for all I care.

Orr was blitzing on that play.

Marcus
11-06-2006, 07:47 AM
I imagine we will be looking for another stud LB in the draft.
A "stud LB" in the first round, I gather?

That's fine with me.:thumbup

gtexan02
11-06-2006, 07:49 AM
First off, I would much rather have secondary help than help at LB in the first round.

Secondly, Greenwood has played better than Orr in my opinion. I didn't see Greenwood making that many mistakes, and Kubiak even praised his playing last week. Orr is a total liability. Anyone who can only play passing or rushing downs like that is not going to get far. I felt like I was watching myself go for that ball against Shockey---looked totally lost and silly and out of position

Vinny
11-06-2006, 07:50 AM
Orr is a lineman converted to a LB...he really isn't much of a Sam linebacker in a 4-3. He doesn't play in space well and doesn't have the ability to cover TE's. At the will, Greenwood is just another Casserly FA that isn't worth anything close to his salary. We need two new linebackers.

thunderkyss
11-06-2006, 07:54 AM
];490913']Good Point!!!! Where the heck was Wong!?

Orr is a decent pass rusher, but shockey exposed him in coverage.

I think Shockey pushed off. had that call gone the other way, you'd be saying something totally different.

I do believe Orr plays the run better than he covers, but that play was actually a good play by Orr...... every one else was fooled by the Play action, and I believe the ref screwed the call.

But they did run an awful lot to the weakside.... we bit on the misdirection every time. Demeco did just like our other LBs....

I understand swarming Defenses, and running to the ball, but after the third big run, you'd have thought the backside LB would've wised up......

& while I do like Orr, I'd much rather have Peek playing that position. Especially if we are only going to bring him in on passing downs, or drop Mario into coverage.

TheOgre
11-06-2006, 10:31 AM
2007 Needs:
WLB
SLB
SS
CB2
FS (unless Donte moves to FS then we need CB1)
RB
C
ORT (I think Winston is more of a RG, if he does anything for us)
and possibly a starting QB

Did I leave anything out?

Porky
11-06-2006, 10:52 AM
2007 Needs:
WLB
SLB
SS
CB2
FS (unless Donte moves to FS then we need CB1)
RB
C
ORT (I think Winston is more of a RG, if he does anything for us)
and possibly a starting QB

Did I leave anything out?

No that about covers it ogre. I pretty much agree with the needs. Unfortunatly, this is a two year list. Now the question is how do you prioritze in the draft and FA? I would put WLB and corner as 1a and 1b. Closely followed by RB, then FS, then C, then back to SLB(Assuming Wong can come back healthy), then ORT, and lastly SS.

I am going to leave QB up in the air right now. I don't have a good feel just yet on that issue.

The above list does not neccessarily indicate draft order, as you have to see who is available. I am more in the best available player mode, and you also need to see what you do in FA. But, if we came out of the first day with a LB, a corner, and a RB in no particular order, I would be pickled tink. :bananasplit:

dalemurphy
11-06-2006, 11:33 AM
2007 Needs:
WLB
SLB
SS
CB2
FS (unless Donte moves to FS then we need CB1)
RB
C
ORT (I think Winston is more of a RG, if he does anything for us)
and possibly a starting QB

Did I leave anything out?

well, we don't need a SS- we have 2... I don't think we need a center either, though an interior lineman of some kind would be good.

If we have another offseason like this one, that list won't even be a challenge!

bah007
11-06-2006, 11:36 AM
Needs for Draft:

FS (unless Dunta moves)
OLB (any rookie on the 1st day would prob be an upgrade)
CB (1st rounder maybe)
OT (Spencer may be part 1, but who is part 2?)

Goldeagle
11-06-2006, 12:06 PM
Star Player (Peterson)
RT
OLB
CB/FS

then best player after that

run-david-run
11-06-2006, 12:39 PM
how about an impact defensive tackle to take some pressure off Mario? I would love to see TJ or Maddox become that guy, or for anybody else on the D-line to make an impact, but right now there is very little production from anybody else on the line other then Mario. ND Kalu and Weaver have some flashes, but nothing consistant. And where are Peek and Babin hiding?

Brandon420tx
11-06-2006, 02:45 PM
Star Player (Peterson)
RT
OLB
CB/FS

then best player after that

I would love to see a FA CB pickup (Clements or Samuels baby!) and a first round pick for Corner, then move Dunta to FS where his tackling can do more damage and he can see the feild better for picks.

The reason people think Orr had a bad game was the call against Shockey, and thats it? I've been noticing him step up and make plays these 3 weeks and I get more and more infuriated with Greenwood.

Edit: and RDR, Peek and Babin are playing injured ... again, I wish they would just get themselves healthy so they could play at 100%

dat_boy_yec
11-06-2006, 06:25 PM
2007 Needs:
WLB
SLB
SS
CB2
FS (unless Donte moves to FS then we need CB1)
RB
C
ORT (I think Winston is more of a RG, if he does anything for us)
and possibly a starting QB

Did I leave anything out?

DT anybody. Not a first rder mind you, but we really need an upgrade there as well.

brewhaus
11-06-2006, 07:08 PM
The Texans need a strong '07 draft. Everything I have read says we will pick in the number 6 spot.

Here are some top picks that would help us:

Left Tackle - Joe Thomas (Wisconsin) 6'8" 313 lbs. Jake Long (Michigan) 67 330 lbs. Justin Blalock (Texas) 64 330 LBS.
Outside Linebacker - Paul Poisluszny (Penn State) 6'2" 229 lbs. Prescott Burgess (Michigan) 63 245 lbs Dallas Sartz (USC) 65 240lbs.
Cornerback - Marcus McCauley (Fresno State) 6'1" 205 lbs. Daymieon Hughes (Cal) 62 190 lbs. Fred Bennett (South Carolina) 60 200 lbs.
Strong Safety - Aaron Rouse (Virginia Tech) 6'4" 225 lbs. Will Herring (Auburn) 6'3" 221 lbs.
Center Kyle Young (Fresno State) 6'5" 330 lbs. :twocents:

jaayteetx
11-06-2006, 07:30 PM
Derrick Johnson! Oh yea, Casserly didn't draft him. Man, I'me still pissed about that one!

Texan1
11-07-2006, 08:10 PM
Greenwood cannot play the run in the 4-3. Period. We need on OLB next year in the worst way - make that 2 OLB - Orr is inconsistent.

Wolf
11-07-2006, 08:14 PM
Orr is a lineman converted to a LB...he really isn't much of a Sam linebacker in a 4-3. He doesn't play in space well and doesn't have the ability to cover TE's. At the will, Greenwood is just another Casserly FA that isn't worth anything close to his salary. We need two new linebackers.

Vinny you depress me.. How I wish this franchise would have started with Kubiak and Smith from the beginning.. seems it is going to take a year or two to get "Their guys" into the system.

all the drafting for a 3-4 and .........

Wolf
11-07-2006, 08:16 PM
Derrick Johnson! Oh yea, Casserly didn't draft him. Man, I'me still pissed about that one!

yeah.. DJ and Demeco...


I didn't regret it when we ran 3-4.. but with the change boy I could handle his stats in a 4-3

DJ 4.5 sacks 48 total tackles

http://www.nfl.com/teams/stats/KC

wolfscar
11-08-2006, 07:12 AM
Now the question is how do you prioritze in the draft and FA? I would put WLB and corner as 1a and 1b. Closely followed by RB, then FS, then C, then back to SLB(Assuming Wong can come back healthy), then ORT, and lastly SS.

I am going to leave QB up in the air right now. I don't have a good feel just yet on that issue.

That's where my thoughts lie, pretty much. Playing the odds on the FA crop this year, I'd love to see us pick up Lance Briggs (or Adalius Thomas), Asante Samuel (to be CB1) and someone solid at Center.

That would leave RB, LB, ORT, FS as top priorities for the draft. I like both our safeties but they're not right as a pair - either one I'd be happy with at SS but we need an FS who can cover the field better.

DT is a requirement, but I'm starting to like the look of Maddox. His presence pushes the priority level down at that position for me.

brewhaus
11-08-2006, 08:25 AM
That's where my thoughts lie, pretty much. Playing the odds on the FA crop this year, I'd love to see us pick up Lance Briggs (or Adalius Thomas), Asante Samuel (to be CB1) and someone solid at Center.

That would leave RB, LB, ORT, FS as top priorities for the draft. I like both our safeties but they're not right as a pair - either one I'd be happy with at SS but we need an FS who can cover the field better.

DT is a requirement, but I'm starting to like the look of Maddox. His presence pushes the priority level down at that position for me.

Check out Kyle Young (Fresno State) 6'5" 330 lbs. for your center wish.

hot pickle
11-08-2006, 08:28 AM
Derrick Johnson! Oh yea, Casserly didn't draft him. Man, I'me still pissed about that one!

aaahhh dont remind me, im gonna start crying, he was sitting in our lap to, but who can pass up travis johnsons hair styles, :brickwall

Runner
11-08-2006, 08:33 AM
And where are Peek and Babin hiding?

It will be interesting to see what happens to Peek next season. He seems to me to be a player that shines in practice and has just a handful of above average plays on the field each year. Very disappointing.

Big J
11-08-2006, 08:40 AM
Derrick Johnson! Oh yea, Casserly didn't draft him. Man, I'me still pissed about that one!

I felt the same way...but we did get probable future starter in Winston at gaurd or tackle because of the trade.

srstex
11-08-2006, 09:32 AM
I think with Mario coming around Peek will be better, and Maddox is playing with something to prove, so reaaly since our draft picks are limited I'd have to say CB -1, Fast WR - 2, LB - 3, Oline - 4, I think the new systems will take care of some of our short comings.

real
11-08-2006, 09:34 AM
I think with Mario coming around Peek will be better, and Maddox is playing with something to prove, so reaaly since our draft picks are limited I'd have to say CB -1, Fast WR - 2, LB - 3, Oline - 4, I think the new systems will take care of some of our short comings.

If we take a WR in the second round, I'll eat my kitchen table...

TheOgre
11-08-2006, 09:47 AM
DT anybody. Not a first rder mind you, but we really need an upgrade there as well.

My take on this is that we have a lot of money invested in Weaver, Mario, TJ, and Babin. I'd like to see where we stand with those 4 and Peek before we invest more into the line. I view Weaver as more of a DT than a DE in the 4-3. Here is the line I'd like to see:

LE Mario
LT Weaver
RT TJ
RE Babin/Peek

Lets see what they can do.

TheOgre
11-08-2006, 09:50 AM
If we take a WR in the second round, I'll eat my kitchen table...


...and I'll come over to finish off your chairs. That would be insane!!!

michaelm
11-08-2006, 10:07 AM
...and I'll come over to finish off your chairs. That would be insane!!!

Could you guys hold off until I finish the kitchen sink? It would be nice to have a table at which to sit, whilst I dine.

Runner
11-08-2006, 10:15 AM
My take on this is that we have a lot of money invested in Weaver, Mario, TJ, and Babin. I'd like to see where we stand with those 4 and Peek before we invest more into the line.

If we don't know where we stand with them by now, we had better determine it soon. I don't want the "evaluation" excuse to carry into next year.

thunderkyss
11-08-2006, 11:08 AM
My take on this is that we have a lot of money invested in Weaver, Mario, TJ, and Babin. I'd like to see where we stand with those 4 and Peek before we invest more into the line. I view Weaver as more of a DT than a DE in the 4-3. Here is the line I'd like to see:

LE Mario
LT Weaver
RT TJ
RE Babin/Peek

Lets see what they can do.

I think we've seen enough of that to know it's not going to work. Maddox & Dalton are looking good enough that we'll probably see less & less of Weaver as a tackle.

We saw Babin at Sam a little bit against NYG, I'd like to see more of it. I know he said he wasn't getting the LB spot in the 3-4, but he has to understand, as does TJ..... if he wants to play football for a living, they are going to have to produce somewhere... neither have been very productive at all.

and for the heck of it..... every now & then I'd like to see

Mario........ TJ........ Maddox........ Weaver
... Babin.........Ryans........Peek

on passing downs.

michaelm
11-08-2006, 11:11 AM
and for the heck of it..... every now & then I'd like to see

Mario........ TJ........ Maddox........ Weaver
... Babin.........Ryans........Peek

on passing downs.

Evidently, you're a big fan of opposing TEs having 20+ yard catches against us...

real
11-08-2006, 11:16 AM
Next year I'd like to see:

Mario............Weaver............TJ............. ..Babin


...Rookie WLB..............Meco.............Wong

thunderkyss
11-08-2006, 01:09 PM
Evidently, you're a big fan of opposing TEs having 20+ yard catches against us...

haha........ won't be much different than having Orr & Greenwood now.....

but if we're blitzing, I think Babin can play the tightend as well as Orr, and Peek being that extra rusher......

kcwilson
11-08-2006, 01:13 PM
I think we've seen enough of that to know it's not going to work. Maddox & Dalton are looking good enough that we'll probably see less & less of Weaver as a tackle.

We saw Babin at Sam a little bit against NYG, I'd like to see more of it. I know he said he wasn't getting the LB spot in the 3-4, but he has to understand, as does TJ..... if he wants to play football for a living, they are going to have to produce somewhere... neither have been very productive at all.

and for the heck of it..... every now & then I'd like to see

Mario........ TJ........ Maddox........ Weaver
... Babin.........Ryans........Peek

on passing downs.

Hmm. can't find the little smiley face with the crack pipe in its' mouth... anyone know where that one is?

Texan_Bill
11-08-2006, 01:35 PM
Next year I'd like to see:

Mario............Weaver............TJ............. ..Babin


...Rookie WLB..............Meco.............Wong

Huh...... I though we are trying to improve the D.......

real
11-08-2006, 01:41 PM
Huh...... I though we are trying to improve the D.......

^^^^^

:includeme:

painekiller
11-08-2006, 01:52 PM
Check out Kyle Young (Fresno State) 6'5" 330 lbs. for your center wish.


He is considered a stiff legged not very mobil center. Not the type Kubiak looks for, sorry you need to look further.

brewhaus
11-09-2006, 08:32 AM
He is considered a stiff legged not very mobil center. Not the type Kubiak looks for, sorry you need to look further.

Well then, following right behind Young are Samson Satele, Hawaii
or Doug Datish, Ohio State. The only thing about Satele (I have read), is that he is really a guard playing center, he is built like a fire plug. But he is supposed to have superior strenght.
Doug Datish is a big corn-feed Ohio farmboy (as big and as strong as Young).

TheOgre
11-09-2006, 11:41 AM
It is just funny that this team is eternally 2-3 years away from rebuilding. We have more holes then a dart board on pint night.

The Pencil Neck
11-09-2006, 11:52 AM
It is just funny that this team is eternally 2-3 years away from rebuilding. We have more holes then a dart board on pint night.

You don't think we plugged up a couple of holes with this last draft?

brewhaus
11-09-2006, 12:03 PM
It is just funny that this team is eternally 2-3 years away from rebuilding. We have more holes then a dart board on pint night.

I am not so sure this team was ever built, which would be a prerequisite for rebuilding. I would like to say that our '06 draft has turned out nicely and I suspect that '07 will also yield a good crop. :ok: