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TK_Gamer
11-05-2006, 04:02 PM
How long does KUBIAK get a free pass? you can look at the game film till yer blue in the face and you will still find as many bad play calls, or lack of play calls as you will find miscues from the texans players. this from kubiak whos promised us he would play to win. or "bring a winning attitude to the texans" Mr. Kubiak yer not doing that. we have showed the rest of the league we will not play to win so you dont need to score alot, just manage the clock and you will beat us.

TexanSam
11-05-2006, 04:05 PM
Well Kubiak isn't going to be fired and our offense has shown improvement this season. The non existent 2 minute offense is very odd. I don't know how many bad play calls Kubiak has done. You need to give some examples.

FLYmeatwad
11-05-2006, 04:08 PM
How long does KUBIAK get a free pass? you can look at the game film till yer blue in the face and you will still find as many bad play calls, or lack of play calls as you will find miscues from the texans players. this from kubiak whos promised us he would play to win. or "bring a winning attitude to the texans" Mr. Kubiak yer not doing that. we have showed the rest of the league we will not play to win so you dont need to score alot, just manage the clock and you will beat us.

He's giving us the winning attitude, just not the wins. To me it seems he's got the balls to make challenges, unsuccessfully, but not the stones to call deep passes. But I don't think he's getting a free pass, this is obviously a much better team then last year and it seems that Kubes is doing a really nice job for the most part. He has us headed somewhere. To me that easy 4 game stretch we have coming up after the Jags will be the defining point of the season. If we start beating bad to middle of the road teams I'll be able to look forward to next year. The rookies will have time to grow and it should be a decent next year, unless they let go of Carr and start over.

TK_Gamer
11-05-2006, 04:12 PM
ok in this game alone:

no 2 minute drill at the end of the half

no deep routes for AJ when we need them

calling time out on 2nd down assuring that if the giants get the first down they can run out the clock and win.

calling short yardage and running plays when time is runining out and we need to score.

and this is not just this game, you can just about repeat all of these in every game we have played this year. if you cant see it you arent watching the same games.

FLYmeatwad
11-05-2006, 04:14 PM
Well now the sack numbers are going way down, so if Kubiak realizes that he should start integrating mroe deep balls in to the play book. I've been puzzled by the lack of deep balls all year, so no argument there.

TK_Gamer
11-05-2006, 04:16 PM
all I know is if Kubiak keeps this up all year, 1 of 2 things will happen, Carr will be gone after this season or Kubiak will be.

FLYmeatwad
11-05-2006, 04:18 PM
all I know is if Kubiak keeps this up all year, 1 of 2 things will happen, Carr will be gone after this season or Kubiak will be.

If we keep playing the way we have Kubiak will not go at the end of the season. I think that they have to keep Carr around unless there is a gaunteed better thing. If Gary changes to a rookie QB then his time in Houston may be short lived.

alphajoker
11-05-2006, 04:19 PM
all I know is if Kubiak keeps this up all year, 1 of 2 things will happen, Carr will be gone after this season or Kubiak will be.

Unless you got a crystal ball dude, I don't see either of the two happening.

underdog65
11-05-2006, 04:20 PM
All Kubiak has done is steadily improve the team and all Carr has done is get better.

Pantherstang84
11-05-2006, 04:22 PM
How long does KUBIAK get a free pass? you can look at the game film till yer blue in the face and you will still find as many bad play calls, or lack of play calls as you will find miscues from the texans players. this from kubiak whos promised us he would play to win. or "bring a winning attitude to the texans" Mr. Kubiak yer not doing that. we have showed the rest of the league we will not play to win so you dont need to score alot, just manage the clock and you will beat us.





Man. That's it. I'm done with these boards. Too many morons. Adios.

FLYmeatwad
11-05-2006, 04:22 PM
Unless you got a crystal ball dude, I don't see either of the two happening.

I'd be more apt to agree with that, niehter makes much sense. You don't can a coach after year one and you don't get rid of a QB who has shown the potential that Carr has. Now they just need to work together to establish the deep ball. I wonder how much better we'd be with a healthy D.D.

TK_Gamer
11-05-2006, 04:25 PM
All Kubiak has done is steadily improve the team and all Carr has done is get better.

QB's success in this league is not rated that simply, to succeed in the NFL as a QB you must Lead your team to tuff victories. this includes coming from behind. end of the half 2 minute drill TD's. the deep pass at the opportune time, etc etc. and Kubiaks playcalling has virtuallly elliminated all of these possibilities.

CoogBull
11-05-2006, 04:29 PM
What I find most upsetting is the fact that the breaks just do not go our way.

The difference between the Texans and a good football team is that when push comes to shove, they shove the ball down the other team's throat.
(Unrelated question: At what point does push come to shove?)

It seems that when the Texans get into a situation where they need to perform, they fall apart. All they needed today was to not make a key mistake and they would win. Yet for us it seems the key mistake is a guarntee.

Just sad when we beat ourselves. Half the games we have lost could have been victories absent certain key mistakes.

texan767
11-05-2006, 04:29 PM
Jeez-us, fool, we're half way through his first season!
Were you this tolerant our first year in the league?
What did you expect-we'd be 8-0 at this point?

FLYmeatwad
11-05-2006, 04:33 PM
Even if we got in the endzone on that fumble I'm not sure we'd have won. The D just died toward the end.

TK_Gamer
11-05-2006, 04:34 PM
Jeez-us, fool, we're half way through his first season!
Were you this tolerant our first year in the league?
What did you expect-we'd be 8-0 at this point?

no I expect us to TRY to win football games. when your D makes a great stop and you get the ball back with almost 2 mins left in the half and you are ahead or behind you try to score. when you are down in the game with 3 mins to go you throw the football down the field not run draw plays and short passes. thats all I expect, that we TRY to win and show the other team we are not gonna lay down and take what they dish out.

bah007
11-05-2006, 04:37 PM
no I expect us to TRY to win football games. when your D makes a great stop and you get the ball back with almost 2 mins left in the half and you are ahead or behind you try to score. when you are down in the game with 3 mins to go you throw the football down the field not run draw plays and short passes. thats all I expect, that we TRY to win and show the other team we are not gonna lay down and take what they dish out.

How did we not try to win?

We just lost to one of the best teams in the league by only 4 points.

If our defense had stopped New York after the fumble then we would have had a chance.

Our offense was effective at the end of the game.

TK_Gamer
11-05-2006, 04:39 PM
How did we not try to win?

We just lost to one of the best teams in the league by only 4 points.

If our defense had stopped New York after the fumble then we would have had a chance.

Our offense was effective at the end of the game.

did you even read my whole post?

FLYmeatwad
11-05-2006, 04:39 PM
I think that we would have had a better chance at winning the game if we stopped them after the fumble then if we scored and let their offense play.

bah007
11-05-2006, 04:40 PM
did you even read my whole post?

Yea. Our short passing game was very effective toward the end.

Maddict5
11-05-2006, 04:43 PM
kubiak went for it on 4th down- so its not all bad..im not happy about the 2 min thing either but im not goin to fire him over it

Hulk75
11-05-2006, 04:51 PM
Here we go, fire Kubiak.:rolleyes:

DRAMA
11-05-2006, 04:51 PM
We play one of the best teams at their place and all we hear is...

Fire 'em all...and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM!!

Progress was made....but hell, fire 'em anyway. Kubiak to be fired after season? We went 5 wide today and we fire Kubes? Do we truly have that many !d!0ts on this board? :brickwall

bah007
11-05-2006, 04:52 PM
We play one of the best teams at their place and all we hear is...

Fire 'em all...and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM!!

Progress was made....but hell, fire 'em anyway. Kubiak to be fired after season? We went 5 wide today and we fire Kubes? Do we truly have that many *****s on this board? :brickwall

yes.

TexansSeminole
11-05-2006, 04:53 PM
Here we go, fire Kubiak.:rolleyes:

Seriously, absolutely rediculous.

trutexan02
11-05-2006, 05:03 PM
Well now the sack numbers are going way down, so if Kubiak realizes that he should start integrating mroe deep balls in to the play book. I've been puzzled by the lack of deep balls all year, so no argument there.
I held season tickets last year went to every home game. Bought sunday ticket to ensure I saw every away game. (I live in another state) I can 't recall this many deep balls last year. I have seen a great deal of improvement in down field passing this year, at least in attempts. I'm happy with it. Defenses aren't throwing eight in the box much these days. I say our deep ball is being noticed by someone at this point.

Wolf
11-05-2006, 05:07 PM
Richard Smith will be gone before Kubiak (at this point)
hate to burst your bubble

trutexan02
11-05-2006, 05:08 PM
We play one of the best teams at their place and all we hear is...

Fire 'em all...and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM!!

Progress was made....but hell, fire 'em anyway. Kubiak to be fired after season? We went 5 wide today and we fire Kubes? Do we truly have that many !d!0ts on this board? :brickwall
YES, in all of our threads actually.

trutexan02
11-05-2006, 05:09 PM
Richard Smith will be gone before Kubiak (at this point)
hate to burst your bubble
Excuse the first three weeks...Defense has been improving with every game since. I don't think so.

Wolf
11-05-2006, 05:09 PM
I feel some of you think this is madden football.

it takes time for players to learn the scheme and go from thinking to just playing, we have learned all new systems right now without the talent to fit our scheme(we are building)

Wolf
11-05-2006, 05:10 PM
Excuse the first three weeks...Defense has been improving with every game since. I don't think so.

yes we have been getting better, but still lack talent. I honestly am not impressed with our defense.. we still don't stop the run (and we have a huge payroll on our DL)

bah007
11-05-2006, 05:12 PM
I feel some of you think this is madden football.

it takes time for players to learn the scheme and go from thinking to just playing, we have learned all new systems right now without the talent to fit our scheme(we are building)

I agree.

Look at the Redskins. They bring in new talent every year but arent successful cuz there is no chemistry.

You have to give a team a chance to learn the new schemes & to learn the tendencies of their teammates so that they know where everyone is gonna be at a given time.

Good example to follow: Patriots

Bamaborn-Texasbred
11-05-2006, 05:13 PM
I feel some of you think this is madden football.

it takes time for players to learn the scheme and go from thinking to just playing, we have learned all new systems right now without the talent to fit our scheme(we are building)

I've said as much in other threads. Good post. They will be better as the season wears on. They may have played their best game today. The Giants are legit Super Bowl contenders.

Wolf
11-05-2006, 05:14 PM
our defense can't stop the run, but I like some of the things we can do. Mario is an example(I hope not a fluke) of being able to do things and presure the QB and play more natural than sitting there and thinking and reacting

Honoring Earl 34
11-05-2006, 05:14 PM
I think when we got the ball at the 50 yd line and had to punt was a downer .

run-david-run
11-05-2006, 05:14 PM
ok in this game alone:

no 2 minute drill at the end of the half

no deep routes for AJ when we need them

calling time out on 2nd down assuring that if the giants get the first down they can run out the clock and win. calling short yardage and running plays when time is runining out and we need to score.

and this is not just this game, you can just about repeat all of these in every game we have played this year. if you cant see it you arent watching the same games.

I have no problems with what he id here. First of all, we stil had two timeouts and had the ball at their 37 when Cook fumbled, so if anything you would want to take a lot of time so they have very little after we score. In regards to the time-out, he put the onus on his players to make a stand. They came close, but couldnt hold the Giants. The only truly debatble aspect of this game was the two-minute drill and overall conservative play-calling. However, after the disaster last week, I wasnt at the least bit surprisd with the 2-minute drill. We also came in with a game plan to get the ball out quickly, but I do agree we should have taken at lest one shot deep to AJ.

JDizzle
11-05-2006, 05:16 PM
I think when we got the ball at the 50 yd line and had to punt was a downer .

Thats what I thought at the time. The D. had a great series and then the offense sends them right back out on the field. Deja Vu like a mofo.

dat_boy_yec
11-05-2006, 05:51 PM
I think it's all about perspective. He's always come out and said that the coaches could do a better job and they need to do a better job of putting the guys in a position to succeed. Also, even though Kubiak is an offensive guru you gotta realize this being a new HC comes with alot more ground for him. He's gotten better and he's learned from some of his mistakes. I don't think he's getting a free pass, but the fact that he's greatly improved the team shouldn't be easily overlooked. That being said I don't think he did well in putting two FB's out there and trying to punch it up the gut. I'm not a big fan of that formation being used that way. You got lead blockers like that you should try to get them in space instead of just piling up more bodies at the LOS.

edo783
11-05-2006, 06:38 PM
We play one of the best teams at their place and all we hear is...

Fire 'em all...and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM!!

Progress was made....but hell, fire 'em anyway. Kubiak to be fired after season? We went 5 wide today and we fire Kubes? Do we truly have that many !d!0ts on this board? :brickwall

Yes, yes we do.

Dime
11-05-2006, 06:39 PM
Explain to me why people gave Capers 4 years to improve and Kub only gets 8 games... I dont understand how you cant let him slowly improve our team.

dantem
11-05-2006, 07:02 PM
First it is get rid of Carr, but since he was almost flawless today
Now it's get rid of Kubiak...

maybee we should fire Cook for loosing the game for us.

Every time we lose a game someone posts a "fire the scapegoat" post. I guess this week since the team played pretty well Kubiak is the only one left to complain about.

We lost this game because of a single fumble.
Thats the NFL, get over it.

bah007
11-05-2006, 07:04 PM
First it is get rid of Carr, but since he was almost flawless today
Now it's get rid of Kubiak...

maybee we should fire Cook for loosing the game for us.

Every time we lose a game someone posts a "fire the scapegoat" post. I guess this week since the team played pretty well Kubiak is the only one left to complain about.

We lost this game because of a single fumble.
Thats the NFL, get over it.

This is a message board.

some frustrated fans are going to have some frustrating posts.

I dont think anybody really wants Kubiak out of here.

Porky
11-05-2006, 08:14 PM
I agree with the original post. This is at least three times that we have sat on the ball with plenty of time to mount a drive at the end of the half. Wasting possessions like that is pathetic. Either Kubes is very dense, or he doesn't believe in his QB. His time management has been atrocious in every game this year. He's not learning from his mistakes, and that is a problem. He either needs to put a QB in that he has confidence in, or grow a pair. Right now, I say put a dress on him and call him Carrie Kubiak.

DRAMA
11-05-2006, 08:20 PM
Kubiak is 'LEARNING' how to manage a bad team. Kubes has spent the majority of his career on winning teams. This is not a winning team. Contrary to what's being spewed here, Kubes must learn how to coach this team to 'become' a winner as opposed to coaching a winning team to become the 'ultimate' winner. He's conservative for the most part right now. One fumble lost us this game today basically.

It's like a parent that wants me to teach their kids how to be great readers. If they don't read well, do I teach them to read articles about quantum dynamics and yell out for them for not getting it or do I teach them how to read at grade level and let them have small successes that encourages them? That's IMHO...

Bad teams lose games by one fumble - good teams overcome one fumble.

TeaMan21
11-05-2006, 08:38 PM
Giants fan here,
First off I want to say good game, you guys came in and played hard.
I was actually very impressed with Kubiak. Maybe there's some valid points about his game management but he had a great game plan. He knew we had a good run D (something a lot of coaches have been surprised by this year) and he saw that, particularly with injuries on our D our secondary would be vulnerable. The quick pass, empty backfield approach took away our strength (pressure/pass rush/run D) and played to our weakness and your strengths. Carr wasn't pressured much cos he was able to get the ball off quickly and the extra recievers and spread field took away our blitz since we had extra guys to cover. It was a good game plan. At the end of the day our guys kept fighting and we scraped a win. But i really think you have the building blocks of a really good team.

The Pencil Neck
11-05-2006, 08:39 PM
But i really think you have the building blocks of a really good team.

Thanks, man. Have a great rest of the season.

TeaMan21
11-05-2006, 08:50 PM
Thanks, man. Have a great rest of the season.

Thanks man. I honestly think with a good draft and free agency you guys could be really good next year. Carr has some learning to do (as does Eli) but i like his accuracy. he's got good feet and lots of guts. Mario williams was a great draft pick. Excepting the stupid late hit on Eli (which our rookie DE Kiwanuke decided to copy later! - stupid, rookies!) he was a force. Kubiak had a good game plan and you have some good receivers. The team played with heart and guts. Improve your O-line and Seconadary and you've got a scary team. I'm not sure about the running game since no-one's really had much success against us there this year.

tsip
11-05-2006, 09:36 PM
I'm beginning to believe that Kubiak builds his game plan with the biggest 'emphasis' on keeping Carr's 'psychy' in check, and not on what is best to 'attack' the opposing teams defense.

Carr's pocket 'presence' is horrible, as is his ability to read defenses. Too, he has a very 'weak' verticle passing game. Given these facts, it's not a suprise we don't now-nor have we ever-scored many offensive points. Our defense only gave up 14 pts today, and we still could not out score that number.

Most of our offensive scoring this year by Carr has been in garbage time in the 4th qtr., so what does it all mean? Today's game against the Giants, IMO, is a s good as it's going to get.

Kubiak promised us 'coaching to win,' but that is not what he is delivering-why? JMO, but-in some way or some form-Carr's limitations as a QB-especially 'mental'-seem to be the problem.:brickwall

abbest
11-05-2006, 10:01 PM
Kubiak`s showed me some grit last week by benching Carr. When Kube starts Sage I will be singing high praises . Carr will never lead this team to a winning season. Carr is MsNair`s boy and Kube knew by taking this job he would have to make a Qb out of Carr. Sorry I don`t think thats gonna happen. When Kubiak has full control of football decisions(I think McNair has more of a hand in this than we think) we will see a different team.

TexanSam
11-05-2006, 10:22 PM
all I know is if Kubiak keeps this up all year, 1 of 2 things will happen, Carr will be gone after this season or Kubiak will be.

You've made some valid points, but to say this sentence is ridiculous would be an understatment. The Texans signed Carr to a 3 year contract and besides the game against the Titans, Carr has shown improvement. If you expected him to be a Pro Bowler in his first year under a new coach implementing a new system, you don't know football. And to say Kubiak will be gone because he doesn't go into a 2 minute drill or because he's made mistakes in coaching moves is just utterly dumb. Kubiak is in his first year as a head coach. Just like Carr, if you expected him to come in here, perform miracles, and outcoach the other team every game, that would be dumb. I'm not saying that's what you said, but just to mention that Kubiak might be gone is insane. Kubiak is going to make mistakes as a rookie HC. But the Texans are improving under him. He's not going anywhere. Neither is David Carr.

thunderkyss
11-05-2006, 10:30 PM
I'm beginning to believe that Kubiak builds his game plan with the biggest 'emphasis' on keeping Carr's 'psychy' in check, and not on what is best to 'attack' the opposing teams defense.

I thought he was pretty clear on this. Carr's development is more important than winning this season. We'll try to win some games, but "fixing" Carr is the primary objective each and every game.

Carr's pocket 'presence' is horrible, as is his ability to read defenses. Too, he has a very 'weak' verticle passing game. Given these facts, it's not a suprise we don't now-nor have we ever-scored many offensive points. Our defense only gave up 14 pts today, and we still could not out score that number.

Most of our offensive scoring this year by Carr has been in garbage time in the 4th qtr., so what does it all mean? Today's game against the Giants, IMO, is a s good as it's going to get.

No... the Jacksonville game is as good as it's going to get. If we could've forced a couple of turnovers, then our offense would have scored more points.

Kubiak promised us 'coaching to win,' but that is not what he is delivering-why? JMO, but-in some way or some form-Carr's limitations as a QB-especially 'mental'-seem to be the problem.:brickwall

Yes. That is exactly right. Throw talent, & potential out the window. if the goal was to win games, the best QB on the team would be starting.

NFLforher
11-05-2006, 10:47 PM
How long does KUBIAK get a free pass?.


More than a year.
:rolleyes:

NFLforher
11-05-2006, 10:49 PM
Giants fan here,
First off I want to say good game, you guys came in and played hard.
I was actually very impressed with Kubiak. Maybe there's some valid points about his game management but he had a great game plan. He knew we had a good run D (something a lot of coaches have been surprised by this year) and he saw that, particularly with injuries on our D our secondary would be vulnerable. The quick pass, empty backfield approach took away our strength (pressure/pass rush/run D) and played to our weakness and your strengths. Carr wasn't pressured much cos he was able to get the ball off quickly and the extra recievers and spread field took away our blitz since we had extra guys to cover. It was a good game plan. At the end of the day our guys kept fighting and we scraped a win. But i really think you have the building blocks of a really good team.

Thanks. I wish our own fans wouldn't be so pissy.

kcwilson
11-05-2006, 11:56 PM
I agree with the original post. This is at least three times that we have sat on the ball with plenty of time to mount a drive at the end of the half. Wasting possessions like that is pathetic. Either Kubes is very dense, or he doesn't believe in his QB. His time management has been atrocious in every game this year. He's not learning from his mistakes, and that is a problem. He either needs to put a QB in that he has confidence in, or grow a pair. Right now, I say put a dress on him and call him Carrie Kubiak.

Maybe Kubiak is trying to prevent his team from not losing the game in the 1st half.

Last time he turned the offense loose with 2 minutes left, I believe the Titans scored on a fumble return with 8 seconds left.

I think he is trying to put this team in a position to win late in the game, like he did today... builds team confidence in themselves... He has to get the team more disciplined to not make stupid mistakes in crunch time. I like Cook, but the timing of that fumble was horri-awful.

tsip
11-06-2006, 12:08 AM
"I thought he was pretty clear on this. Carr's development is more important than winning this season. We'll try to win some games, but "fixing" Carr is the primary objective each and every game"

I was under the impression that Kubiak was all about the 'team'--when did he place Carr above this?

TK_Gamer
11-06-2006, 03:48 AM
Maybe Kubiak is trying to prevent his team from not losing the game in the 1st half.

Last time he turned the offense loose with 2 minutes left, I believe the Titans scored on a fumble return with 8 seconds left.

I think he is trying to put this team in a position to win late in the game, like he did today... builds team confidence in themselves... He has to get the team more disciplined to not make stupid mistakes in crunch time. I like Cook, but the timing of that fumble was horri-awful.

actually I believe you are confused, he has NEVER turned the team loose, even on the drive your are talking about we looked weak, we did no hurry up, we called a huddle every time and wasted valuable time, basicly we exposed our juggular and the titans went for it and shut us down. you dont call a huddle when you are trying to score in 2 mins or less, it makes the other team think you are unsure of yourself, and Kubiak is just that, he is unsure of himself and of carr so he plays it safe every single time.

edit: oh and if you are gonna give me bad rep for voicing my own oppinion at least own up and put your name on it, thanks (this is directed to whoever did it, not you kcwilson.

TK_Gamer
11-06-2006, 03:53 AM
I dont want everyone to read me wrong, I dont know what kubiak is thinking , maybe he has a brilliant master plan and noone else knows it but him. maybe he is taking baby steps and that is fine, but eventually you have to let your QB throw the football, eventually you have to try to put points on the board when your defense gives you an opportunity. a 3 and out or a tuff 3rd down stop near the redzone is almost a turnover, and you have to capitalize on it or the other teams will not take you seriously and you will be stuck with a cover 2 the rest of the year and dump offs underneath.

Mattheus_Rex
11-06-2006, 03:57 AM
Give any head coach in the league a bag of dog crap, and he's not going to turning it into a Superbowl team in one offseason. Fact of the matter is our team was in a horrendous state of affairs when Kubiak showed up and he could be Lombardi, Parcells, Cower, Dungy, and Madden rolled into one, with the Power Rangers as the offensive coordinator, and Superman as the defensive coordinator, your still not getting a winning season.

Malloy
11-06-2006, 04:55 AM
Man. That's it. I'm done with these boards. Too many morons. Adios.

Farewell Mister 10-posts, we hardly knew ya :)

thunderkyss
11-06-2006, 08:09 AM
"I thought he was pretty clear on this. Carr's development is more important than winning this season. We'll try to win some games, but "fixing" Carr is the primary objective each and every game"

I was under the impression that Kubiak was all about the 'team'--when did he place Carr above this?

IMHO, when he gave Carr $8 million dollars...... he reinforced it when he did not let Sage play with the starters in the preseason..... he reinforced it again when he decided Carr will Start at the beggining of the season, and again when he started him for the Giants game, even though Sage outperformed him at every stage of the process.

I understand that Sage has his own problems. I understand Sage didn't have 4 years of unlearning to undo. & I understand David will be a better QB than Sage in the future, but right now, Sage is the better of the two, and if winning was top priority, David would be learning on the sideline, like every other rookie should be.

jmlockett
11-06-2006, 08:31 AM
IMHO, when he gave Carr $8 million dollars...... he reinforced it when he did not let Sage play with the starters in the preseason..... he reinforced it again when he decided Carr will Start at the beggining of the season, and again when he started him for the Giants game, even though Sage outperformed him at every stage of the process.

I understand that Sage has his own problems. I understand Sage didn't have 4 years of unlearning to undo. & I understand David will be a better QB than Sage in the future, but right now, Sage is the better of the two, and if winning was top priority, David would be learning on the sideline, like every other rookie should be.

Ok we all know that sage played well for a little time in the titans game. I would like to stress that he has only been in the nfl a yr longer then Carr. Now with that said neither player is a rookie at this point. As for outperforming him in every stage I dont see it. I do agree it seemed that he may of had a little more poise in the game then david did. However I cant say that he is better. Anytime that you have a QB on the bench sitting and watching game in and game out, you are going to have a hunger in this guy to prove something. As for teacing a veteran in my opion the only way to teach a veteran player is to let him play. A vet like Carr has probably gotten to the point where in practice he has great mechanics. He knows that he is not going to get killed. Now lets put him in live full contact football, he is going to show some bad habits its only human. So I agree with Kubiak in playing Carr, throwing him to the lions so to speak. Let him learn and overcome or die trying.

kcwilson
11-06-2006, 02:16 PM
actually I believe you are confused, he has NEVER turned the team loose, even on the drive your are talking about we looked weak, we did no hurry up, we called a huddle every time and wasted valuable time, basicly we exposed our juggular and the titans went for it and shut us down. you dont call a huddle when you are trying to score in 2 mins or less, it makes the other team think you are unsure of yourself, and Kubiak is just that, he is unsure of himself and of carr so he plays it safe every single time.

edit: oh and if you are gonna give me bad rep for voicing my own oppinion at least own up and put your name on it, thanks (this is directed to whoever did it, not you kcwilson.

Looking weak vs. 'turning them loose' is too difficult to compare... the former is the result of performance and another is a philosophy of attach. Turning them loose is a generality in trying to get a score in the last two minutes... is it the same as Peyton's approach no, but it was relatively aggressive when compared to the normal approach the Texans take.

Kubiak did try to move the ball and get another 10-20 yards at the end of the half against Tennessee to get a FG, he was moving it with what I believe he thought the team could handle at the time. Wasn't asking for much to get into fg territory for a long attempt to end the half.

TK_Gamer
11-06-2006, 02:35 PM
Looking weak vs. 'turning them loose' is too difficult to compare... the former is the result of performance and another is a philosophy of attach. Turning them loose is a generality in trying to get a score in the last two minutes... is it the same as Peyton's approach no, but it was relatively aggressive when compared to the normal approach the Texans take.

Kubiak did try to move the ball and get another 10-20 yards at the end of the half against Tennessee to get a FG, he was moving it with what I believe he thought the team could handle at the time. Wasn't asking for much to get into fg territory for a long attempt to end the half.

how is it that kubiak can run this lame duck "im kinda trying to win in a safe way" offense and everyone sticks up for him? who does that? I have never seen another coach consistently handcuff his offesne and coddle his qb's confidence to the extreme that kubiak has done. you people act like this is the only game kubiak has failed to run a 2 min offense, i mean a real no huddle 2 minute offense, he hasnt done it all year, he hurried it up a little against tennesee but he still huddled every play and wasted valuable time off the clock. then he callse time outs and turns around and calls a running play? you people are gonna actually ignore this is happening? yes kubiak has improved the team from last year, yes he has helped david carr tremendously, but that doesnt take away the mistakes or miscues he has made in offensive playcalling and clock management.

real
11-06-2006, 02:37 PM
how is it that kubiak can run this lame duck "im kinda trying to win in a safe way" offense and everyone sticks up for him? who does that? I have never seen another coach consistently handcuff his offesne and coddle his qb's confidence to the extreme that kubiak has done. you people act like this is the only game kubiak has failed to run a 2 min offense, i mean a real no huddle 2 minute offense, he hasnt done it all year, he hurried it up a little against tennesee but he still huddled every play and wasted valuable time off the clock. then he callse time outs and turns around and calls a running play? you people are gonna actually ignore this is happening? yes kubiak has improved the team from last year, yes he has helped david carr tremendously, but that doesnt take away the mistakes or miscues he has made in offensive playcalling and clock management.

Maybe you should send Kubes an e-mail, and maybe he'll get back to you.....:pigfly:

TK_Gamer
11-06-2006, 02:53 PM
Maybe you should send Kubes an e-mail, and maybe he'll get back to you.....:pigfly:

well I guess you are gonna ignore it anyway. great comeback.

real
11-06-2006, 03:16 PM
well I guess you are gonna ignore it anyway. great comeback.

comeback ?? me ??? no....

tsip
11-06-2006, 03:34 PM
well I guess you are gonna ignore it anyway. great comeback.

JMO, but we are not seeing on the field the type of 'play to win' offense that Kubiak promised from the get-go--no way are we getting the 'whatever' it takes to win 'game planning'. Why?

We have virtually no vertical passing attack, which-in itself, by nature-is already minimized in the WC offense that depends upon YAC. Why?

The 'key' player in this offense is the QB because 'effective' decision making is not only critical/crucial--it's mandatory. This offense requires a QB that can work the pocket with 'good foot work'/read the defense/ and put the ball 'where' it needs to go--a QB that has the ability/confidence to 'make' all the throws in a timely manner.

Simply put, IMO, Kubiak's offense will never be all it could be if 'any' requirement of the QB's 'play' is missing.

Gamer, there are 2 sides to the QB 'play' question for the Texans and--I believe Kubiak (for whatever reasons) is on the side that Carr will 'eventually' be the 'man.' This means we are going to see game plans like we saw against the Giants that are 'user friendly' to David. Kubiak's goal will not be to 'test' or challenge Carr any time soon and-saying this-IMO, Carr will remain the starter unless he turns the ball over.

Of course, a 'sane' person would think that-at some point in time-winning will be part of the equation...or, at least, let's hope so. Kubiak is betting that Carr is going to be able to run his offense and win with it--that being said, like other posters have enumerated, 'TIME' is all that's left.....:twocents:

real
11-06-2006, 03:36 PM
Kubiak is doing an excellent job overall...

Mr. White
11-06-2006, 03:42 PM
An inside source tells me that Kubes is going to start implementing the stuff he reads on this board. He saw this thread and he's going to work all that stuff into his script.

He'll talk about it at his press conference and then again on his 610 show.

real
11-06-2006, 03:44 PM
An inside source tells me that Kubes is going to start implementing the stuff he reads on this board. He saw this thread and he's going to work all that stuff into his script.

He'll talk about it at his press conference and then again on his 610 show.

say what ?!

DarkNinja
11-06-2006, 03:52 PM
Jeez-us, fool, we're half way through his first season!
Were you this tolerant our first year in the league?
What did you expect-we'd be 8-0 at this point?





At this far and at this point into the league with the franchise...the Texans should have been at least a playoff threat. Two expansion teams made it to the PLAYOFFS in their rookie season before the Texans franchise started! What is the whole franchises' major malfunction!!:brickwall

TK_Gamer
11-06-2006, 03:53 PM
JMO, but we are not seeing on the field the type of 'play to win' offense that Kubiak promised from the get-go--no way are we getting the 'whatever' it takes to win 'game planning'. Why?

We have virtually no vertical passing attack, which-in itself, by nature-is already minimized in the WC offense that depends upon YAC. Why?

The 'key' player in this offense is the QB because 'effective' decision making is not only critical/crucial--it's mandatory. This offense requires a QB that can work the pocket with 'good foot work'/read the defense/ and put the ball 'where' it needs to go--a QB that has the ability/confidence to 'make' all the throws in a timely manner.

Simply put, IMO, Kubiak's offense will never be all it could be if 'any' requirement of the QB's 'play' is missing.


Gamer, there are 2 sides to the QB 'play' question for the Texans and--I believe Kubiak (for whatever reasons) is on the side that Carr will 'eventually' be the 'man.' This means we are going to see game plans like we saw against the Giants that are 'user friendly' to David. Kubiak's goal will not be to 'test' or challenge Carr any time soon and-saying this-IMO, Carr will remain the starter unless he turns the ball over.

Of course, a 'sane' person would think that-at some point in time-winning will be part of the equation...or, at least, let's hope so. Kubiak is betting that Carr is going to be able to run his offense and win with it--that being said, like other posters have enumerated, 'TIME' is all that's left.....:twocents:

I understand the motivations and limting factors, I can even see the possible long term plan. the handcuffing though is somewhat arrogant. to handcuff your team, then call out your QB and even bench him, not in private but on national viewed press releases is a bit much. how do any of us know what Carr has been told by Kubiak? He could have told Carr to avoid throwing the ball down field, he could have actually spelled out his checkdowns. it happens all the time, but there is no way for us to know that. so you cant automaticly assume that david doesnt throw downfield because he makes bad reads or is afraid. Ive watched him several times go thru the progressions and look right at eric moulds beating his man on a deep cross and still throw underneath to johnson. is that him or is it his instruction? do you know for sure? I dont. then you watch them huddle up and call run plays with time running out and you wonder. I heard all this great stuff out of training camp about Carr's great arm and how he was burning the 1st team defense deep time and time again, where is that? ask almost any analyst or player and they will tell you Carr has one of the best arms in football. yet we use 3 wide sets when? when sage takes over after benching carr.

Mr. White
11-06-2006, 03:54 PM
At this far and at this point into the league with the franchise...the Texans should have been at least a playoff threat. Two expansion teams made it to the PLAYOFFS in their rookie season before the Texans franchise started! What is the whole franchises' major malfunction!!:brickwall


This is clearly Kubes' fault.:sarcasm:

thunderkyss
11-06-2006, 03:56 PM
JMO, but we are not seeing on the field the type of 'play to win' offense that Kubiak promised from the get-go--no way are we getting the 'whatever' it takes to win 'game planning'. Why?

We have virtually no vertical passing attack, which-in itself, by nature-is already minimized in the WC offense that depends upon YAC. Why?

The 'key' player in this offense is the QB because 'effective' decision making is not only critical/crucial--it's mandatory. This offense requires a QB that can work the pocket with 'good foot work'/read the defense/ and put the ball 'where' it needs to go--a QB that has the ability/confidence to 'make' all the throws in a timely manner.

Simply put, IMO, Kubiak's offense will never be all it could be if 'any' requirement of the QB's 'play' is missing.

Gamer, there are 2 sides to the QB 'play' question for the Texans and--I believe Kubiak (for whatever reasons) is on the side that Carr will 'eventually' be the 'man.' This means we are going to see game plans like we saw against the Giants that are 'user friendly' to David. Kubiak's goal will not be to 'test' or challenge Carr any time soon and-saying this-IMO, Carr will remain the starter unless he turns the ball over.

Of course, a 'sane' person would think that-at some point in time-winning will be part of the equation...or, at least, let's hope so. Kubiak is betting that Carr is going to be able to run his offense and win with it--that being said, like other posters have enumerated, 'TIME' is all that's left.....:twocents:

That's it pretty much in a nutshell.

As David Goes, so goes the team.

Kubiak isn't putting the brakes on, David(the driver) isn't stepping on the gas.

& I know that sounds like an insult, but it's not. If you are one of the Clean slate guys, you should know, and expect that Kubiak has taken David to square one. & this offense won't get any faster until David is ready to go faster.

FirstTexansFan
11-06-2006, 03:59 PM
A better title for this thread would be "How do we ignore the oblivious" :rolleyes:

TK_Gamer
11-06-2006, 04:00 PM
That's it pretty much in a nutshell.

As David Goes, so goes the team.

Kubiak isn't putting the brakes on, David(the driver) isn't stepping on the gas.

& I know that sounds like an insult, but it's not. If you are one of the Clean slate guys, you should know, and expect that Kubiak has taken David to square one. & this offense won't get any faster until David is ready to go faster.

then I'll tell you what, if it IS Carr limiting the offense we need to get rid of him. I dont believe it is. but if it is so be it. we are just wasting time otherwise.

Double Barrel
11-06-2006, 04:32 PM
Man, some of you apparently seem to believe that we have loads of talent on this team that would allow Kubiak to install his full offensive plans.

Reality check: we are not a good team. We will not be a good team this year. [Repeat the previous statements until it sinks in.]

The fact of the matter is that Kubiak inherited a team with questionable talent. He's ejected players who started for us but no other team seems to want for even practice squads. And we've been forced to load up on everyone else's rejects for the most part. Our 'grade A' talent only takes up about 10% of the roster right now. And we've got no depth.

How about we give Kubiak some time before going postal with our mental outlooks. Be patient. Our head coach has a great football mind, and I trust he knows what he's doing.

tsip
11-06-2006, 04:35 PM
I understand the motivations and limting factors, I can even see the possible long term plan. the handcuffing though is somewhat arrogant. to handcuff your team, then call out your QB and even bench him, not in private but on national viewed press releases is a bit much. how do any of us know what Carr has been told by Kubiak? He could have told Carr to avoid throwing the ball down field, he could have actually spelled out his checkdowns. it happens all the time, but there is no way for us to know that. so you cant automaticly assume that david doesnt throw downfield because he makes bad reads or is afraid. Ive watched him several times go thru the progressions and look right at eric moulds beating his man on a deep cross and still throw underneath to johnson. is that him or is it his instruction? do you know for sure? I dont. then you watch them huddle up and call run plays with time running out and you wonder. I heard all this great stuff out of training camp about Carr's great arm and how he was burning the 1st team defense deep time and time again, where is that? ask almost any analyst or player and they will tell you Carr has one of the best arms in football. yet we use 3 wide sets when? when sage takes over after benching carr.

From the very first game against the Eagles--and several times since then--Kubiak has talked about missed oppurtunities down field. IMO, they don't change the offense when Sage comes in...

sleepwalker
11-06-2006, 05:02 PM
Kubiak is doing a great job...So you're mad he doesnt let Carr turn the ball over before the half, well I can understand that.

What I don't understand is how someone on this board can think they know more about winning games than Kubiak.

The plan was to stretch the defense out and get the ball away quick...We did that...We threw a couple of deep balls, one into the endzone to andre.

More deep passes? Great idea with Salaam mumified in DUCT TAPE.

TK_Gamer
11-07-2006, 04:56 AM
ok so after the presser by kubiak we hear the exact same excuse, the same one he used about 4 times this year after we failed to act with a chance to win or take the lead he puts all the blame on the team and none on himself, none on himself. he keeps saying he failed to get into position after a run and a screen pass, then decides theres not enough time so he runs out the clock. a draw and a short screen? with a huddle after each? are you kidding me? noone I repeat NOONE does this when they have a chance to put points on the board. they take a chance and throw the ball and move down field, out routes and sideline stuff to stop the clock, but you still throw the ball, and you dont huddle up wasting 15 seconds every time. and you especially dont huddle up, then call time out, then call a runnig play wich starts the clock again, if you are gonna do that why call the time out to begin with or why huddle up? he told everyone as far as the audibles that he doesnt really do that kinda thing much and said he likes to have called in set plays that the qb MUST run. you all can just ignore all this info all you want. I see a control freak that needs to let his players take some chances and win the game. thats all I want, try to win the game. show the other team we are not gonna quit and we are gonna at least try to capitalize on every possession.

Porky
11-07-2006, 09:59 AM
ok so after the presser by kubiak we hear the exact same excuse, the same one he used about 4 times this year after we failed to act with a chance to win or take the lead he puts all the blame on the team and none on himself, none on himself. he keeps saying he failed to get into position after a run and a screen pass, then decides theres not enough time so he runs out the clock. a draw and a short screen? with a huddle after each? are you kidding me? noone I repeat NOONE does this when they have a chance to put points on the board. they take a chance and throw the ball and move down field, out routes and sideline stuff to stop the clock, but you still throw the ball, and you dont huddle up wasting 15 seconds every time. and you especially dont huddle up, then call time out, then call a runnig play wich starts the clock again, if you are gonna do that why call the time out to begin with or why huddle up? he told everyone as far as the audibles that he doesnt really do that kinda thing much and said he likes to have called in set plays that the qb MUST run. you all can just ignore all this info all you want. I see a control freak that needs to let his players take some chances and win the game. thats all I want, try to win the game. show the other team we are not gonna quit and we are gonna at least try to capitalize on every possession.

Ditto. This is getting really old really fast. We could have kept clueless Capers and run this kind of crap.

real
11-07-2006, 10:04 AM
Are you guys seeking a perfect coach ?

Are you all not happy with the direction the team is heading ?

What's really going on ?

Kubes has improved this team overall....He had a stellar draft...He has got our offense looking like we belong in the NFL...We are competing every weekend.....You guys really need to give it a rest....He didn't do exactly what you all wanted him to do on a couple of plays before the half....o.k.....who cares.....

kingh99
11-07-2006, 10:08 AM
Are you guys seeking a perfect coach ?

Are you all not happy with the direction the team is heading ?

What's really going on ?

Kubes has improved this team overall....He had a stellar draft...He has got our offense looking like we belong in the NFL...We are competing every weekend.....You guys really need to give it a rest....He didn't do exactly what you all wanted him to do on a couple of plays before the half....o.k.....who cares.....

Imagine where we would be with Drew Brees at QB. Psst. DC can't throw the deep ball. Pass it on.

jerek
11-07-2006, 10:09 AM
Man, some of you apparently seem to believe that we have loads of talent on this team that would allow Kubiak to install his full offensive plans.

Reality check: we are not a good team. We will not be a good team this year. [Repeat the previous statements until it sinks in.]

The fact of the matter is that Kubiak inherited a team with questionable talent. He's ejected players who started for us but no other team seems to want for even practice squads. And we've been forced to load up on everyone else's rejects for the most part. Our 'grade A' talent only takes up about 10% of the roster right now. And we've got no depth.

How about we give Kubiak some time before going postal with our mental outlooks. Be patient. Our head coach has a great football mind, and I trust he knows what he's doing.

Yeah, he sure sucked in Denver too :rolleyes:

Seriously I know we're a football MB and we like to spend our time on here analyzing and second-guessing our team's every move, but yeesh, give the guy a little time.

The comparisons to Capers are just unreal. I've seen a big difference in the way we play football this year and we're continuing to get better. I didn't like what Richard Smith was doing early on but even he has really put the defense together these last few games. Have a little faith in one of the most prolific OCs of the last decade.

Porky
11-07-2006, 10:50 AM
Are you guys seeking a perfect coach ?

Are you all not happy with the direction the team is heading ?

What's really going on ?

Kubes has improved this team overall....He had a stellar draft...He has got our offense looking like we belong in the NFL...We are competing every weekend.....You guys really need to give it a rest....He didn't do exactly what you all wanted him to do on a couple of plays before the half....o.k.....who cares.....

It's not just a couple of plays, and not just one game. It's a matter of philosphy and having an aggressive winners attitude, instead of a lame playing not to lose mentatility. This is at least the third game this has happened. We had two time-outs and almost 2 minutes left with the ball at the 20. Name me another team that would have sat on the ball in that situation. Heck, the Giants got the ball with 16 seconds left in the half, and were throwing the rock down the field trying to make something happen with 16 friggin seconds. And that is Tom Coughlin, a conservative run oriented defensive coach. It's all about setting a winners tone. Winners go for it. Losers are afraid to lose. They play timid, try to limit mistakes, and keep it close until the 4th quarter. Hello. Does anyone remember that exact same philopshy for the past 4 years. So, yes, Kubes has made some improvements in scheme and personell. This all goes to the overriding philosphy of the team. This is year 5. When do the training wheels come off? Or does he simply not have any confidence in Carr? Because if that is the case, we need a QB who he does have confidence in.

real
11-07-2006, 10:58 AM
It's not just a couple of plays, and not just one game. It's a matter of philosphy and having an aggressive winners attitude, instead of a lame playing not to lose mentatility.

I'm not disagreeing with you on this....I too was upset that he wasn't more agressive....But I don't blame him...We are not a good offense right now.....

But that wasn't my point...My point was that Kubes has done so many positive things for the team and you all are nit picking....Kubes not taking risk right now is not that crucial...

This is year 5. When do the training wheels come off? Or does he simply not have any confidence in Carr? Because if that is the case, we need a QB who he does have confidence in.

Kubes was not here for those previous 4 years...

At this point he'd be putting his faith and confidence in Carr's previous training....and that is what he doesn't have confidence in...

Mr. White
11-07-2006, 11:00 AM
This thread

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edo783
11-07-2006, 11:18 AM
At this point he'd be putting his faith and confidence in Carr's previous training....and that is what he doesn't have confidence in...

I think it was in Kubes presser that he said the biggest problem he is having with Carr is over coming the bad things that Carr has been taught or allowed to do in the past. Reprograming of habits takes time. It looks like progress is being made, but still some ways to go.

wolfscar
11-07-2006, 12:44 PM
I dont want everyone to read me wrong, I dont know what kubiak is thinking , maybe he has a brilliant master plan and noone else knows it but him. maybe he is taking baby steps and that is fine, but eventually you have to let your QB throw the football, eventually you have to try to put points on the board when your defense gives you an opportunity. a 3 and out or a tuff 3rd down stop near the redzone is almost a turnover, and you have to capitalize on it or the other teams will not take you seriously and you will be stuck with a cover 2 the rest of the year and dump offs underneath.

I think you make a lot of good points here, but I can also see why you've had a lot of backtalk about it. I think that to suggest Carr will go in the offseason is crazy talk. We don't have a valid, long term replacement waiting in the wings and he's been showing a marked improvement in many aspects of his game this year. If the Texans fire Kubiak after this season - even if we lose all our remaining games - I for one will be horrified. It takes time to build a team and I don't want to get into a season on season coach swapping session till we find one that gets lucky. In any sport that's suicide.

I think tsip had it right when he talked about a large part of the focus being on developing Carr, but I think it goes further than just our #8. It looks to me like he's trying to solidify the whole team - make us less fragile. That means steady, surefooted progress starting with your foundations: defense, steady lines(!), reliable quarterback. I think it's more important right now that we cut out the mistakes and close up the holes in our game than it is for us to make big plays and run a hard hitting 2-minute drill. We need to get to the place where we suffer a big turnover and the players shake it off, rather than thinking 'Here we go again...' and letting everything turn to crap. That means a conservative game till we have that foundation in place. Or at least that's what I hope he's doing.

He gets about 8.5/10 from me so far. I like what we're turning into - and the rest of the NFL is starting to respect us a whole lot more. I see us ending up around .500 this year and going above it next year. And I reckon the playbook will open up a little as we near the end of the season - baby steps though, like you said.

TxAg
11-07-2006, 12:54 PM
Well you guys are right that he does not take too many chances but our defense is getting alot better witch means he will risk more on offense I believe that we can win this week and who knows we might get a little streak going when we come back home.

wolfscar
11-07-2006, 01:09 PM
It's not just a couple of plays, and not just one game. It's a matter of philosphy and having an aggressive winners attitude, instead of a lame playing not to lose mentatility.

I'm not disagreeing with you on this....I too was upset that he wasn't more agressive....But I don't blame him...We are not a good offense right now.....

But that wasn't my point...My point was that Kubes has done so many positive things for the team and you all are nit picking....Kubes not taking risk right now is not that crucial...

Yes - exactly right. I was screaming for a game winning drive from Kubes like everyone else last game, but for however retarded and backwards it might look to you or me that we don't drive up the field in that situation, it must be part of Kubiak's overall strategy for this team - and THAT strategy, the one that's in place to turn the Texans into a consistent, winning franchise; for me at least that seems to be going in the right direction.

This is year 5. When do the training wheels come off? Or does he simply not have any confidence in Carr? Because if that is the case, we need a QB who he does have confidence in.

Kubes was not here for those previous 4 years...

At this point he'd be putting his faith and confidence in Carr's previous training....and that is what he doesn't have confidence in...

Precisely - we do need a QB he has confidence in, and I think that's what he's trying to build here. Carr has a lot of bad habits that need to be trained out of him but he has a lot of good traits that can be built upon.

Texan_Bill
11-07-2006, 01:29 PM
Well you guys are right that he does not take too many chances but our defense is getting alot better witch means he will risk more on offense I believe that we can win this week and who knows we might get a little streak going when we come back home.

Well, someone gets it.... Listen you can't make high risk calls if a) your "D" isn't stopping anyone (and although our D is improving - they still have a long way to go) and b) Chad Stanley (while good a pinning people inside the 20 from mid-field) can't get you that occasional boomer to drastically change field position.

Maybe I'm wrong. Let's apologize to Dom and Palmer and bring those guys back. Afterall, their success in this league with several different organizations has been so much better the Broncos have been.