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V Man
11-05-2006, 11:56 AM
Many experts rated him as a 3rd round pick, but they way he is playing right now; his stock is rising. Depending who we take in the 1st, if he is still on the board in the 2nd I would have to consider looking at him there. What do you think?

bah007
11-05-2006, 01:04 PM
Many experts rated him as a 3rd round pick, but they way he is playing right now; his stock is rising. Depending who we take in the 1st, if he is still on the board in the 2nd I would have to consider looking at him there. What do you think?

If he ends up winning the Thorpe (which looks possible) then he will be gone in the 1st (probably 25-30).

He is hard to grade for scouts cuz this is only his first year as a starter.

LORK 88
11-05-2006, 01:11 PM
http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=30302

Speaking of UT CBs, Aaron Ross looked pretty good. He's fast, and multidimensional (returned Kicks and Punts as well). What caught my attention is that he'd line up 3-4 yards off the receiver and wouldn't get beat deep. As potential problems, I could see his confidence being a bit of a problem when he gets to the NFL underestimating some WRs. I could also see his agressive play getting the best of him as he had a few instances when I thought pass interference could be called on him for having a slap war with WRs down the field.

I either need to stop writing so much, or I need to bring more attention to my posts . . .

AustinJB
11-05-2006, 03:54 PM
Many experts rated him as a 3rd round pick, but they way he is playing right now; his stock is rising. Depending who we take in the 1st, if he is still on the board in the 2nd I would have to consider looking at him there. What do you think?

Yeah, Ross is really playing well. Truth is, he's played well every year, but this is his first year to start b/c of the depth that Texas has at DB.

Ross may still be there in the 2nd and if he is, he would be a great pick IMO. He could be another D. Ryans type scenario...a potential 1st rounder that slips to the 2nd.

The way I see it, either Ross or Griffin should be there in the 2nd round. Texans should take a CB and FS in the 1st and 2nd. If we take Landry in the 1st, then hope Ross slips to the 2nd....if we take Leon Hall or another CB in the 1st, hope Griffin is available in the 2nd.:twocents:

hot pickle
11-05-2006, 07:46 PM
Yeah, Ross is really playing well. Truth is, he's played well every year, but this is his first year to start b/c of the depth that Texas has at DB.

Ross may still be there in the 2nd and if he is, he would be a great pick IMO. He could be another D. Ryans type scenario...a potential 1st rounder that slips to the 2nd.

The way I see it, either Ross or Griffin should be there in the 2nd round. Texans should take a CB and FS in the 1st and 2nd. If we take Landry in the 1st, then hope Ross slips to the 2nd....if we take Leon Hall or another CB in the 1st, hope Griffin is available in the 2nd.:twocents:

i'd rather have hughes then hall, but there both good players,but if we could get ross or griffin in the 2nd i'd be a happy person,and with are 5th round choice, get Dwight Landry from San Jose State, or a shut down corner in the 1-AA in college, seems like CB's from the 1-AA come to the NFL and do pretty good, like mathis and the kid from the colts, but i'll support the texans picks no matter who they are

hot pickle
11-08-2006, 11:07 PM
just watched the highlight video on aaron ross and he is a great CB and Special Teams guy. can return kicks and is a good corner, the only thing that has me questioning him is his lack of exprience, he has only been a starting CB at UT for this season, hopefully he will fall to the 2nd round

has there been a thorpe award winner that has ever been picked after the first round?

TexansSeminole
11-09-2006, 12:07 AM
i'd rather have hughes then hall, but there both good players,but if we could get ross or griffin in the 2nd i'd be a happy person,and with are 5th round choice, get Dwight Landry from San Jose State, or a shut down corner in the 1-AA in college, seems like CB's from the 1-AA come to the NFL and do pretty good, like mathis and the kid from the colts, but i'll support the texans picks no matter who they are

Dwight Lowery has something like 8 interceptions on the season. Seems like a 4th or 5th rounder. San Jose St. isn't a bad team this year...I say if they keep up the good year he goes in the 4th.

YoungTexanFan
11-09-2006, 06:07 AM
Dwight Lowery has something like 8 interceptions on the season. Seems like a 4th or 5th rounder. San Jose St. isn't a bad team this year...I say if they keep up the good year he goes in the 4th.

Similiar situation to the DB from Abline Christian...Daniel Manning I believe?

real
11-09-2006, 07:40 AM
This is Ross' first year as the primary starter, but he's started games before this year, and has played in just about every game since his freshman year...FWIW..

bah007
11-09-2006, 08:29 AM
This is Ross' first year as the primary starter, but he's started games before this year, and has played in just about every game since his freshman year...FWIW..

Not true.

He was academically ineligible his fr. & soph. years.

real
11-09-2006, 08:34 AM
Not true.

He was academically ineligible his fr. & soph. years.



http://mackbrown-texasfootball.com/image_lib/ross_aaron_05_175.jpg

Aaron Ross #31
Height: 6-1
Weight: 192
Class: Sr.-3L
Hometown: Tyler, TX (John Tyler)

JUNIOR (2005)
Played in all 13 games, starting two, at cornerback … tabbed first-team All-Big 12 as a punt returner by Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Houston Chronicle and San Antonio Express-News and second-team All-Big 12 by the Austin American-Statesman … earned honorable mention All-Big 12 honors as a punt returner from The Associated Press … part of a defense that ranked 10th nationally in total defense (302.9 ypg), eighth in scoring defense (16.4 ppg), fourth in pass efficiency defense (96.7) and eighth in passing defense (172.0 ypg) … recorded 62 tackles, two TFL, a team-high three INTs, nine PBU and forced a fumble … posted 500 punt return yards (No. 3 on UT’s single-season list) on 34 returns (No. 8 on UT’s single season list) and scored two TDs (T-No. 1 on UT’s single season list) … his 14.7 yards per return average ranked 10th in the nation … he is only the second player in UT history to return two punts for TDs in a season … also finished third on the team with nine special teams tackles … opened the season with two tackles, a PBU and an INT, while returning five punts for 106 yards, including a 52-yarder, against La.-Lafayette … added six tackles, including a TFL, at No. 4 Ohio State … added three tackles against Rice … posted two tackles and returned four punts for 129 yards, including an 88-yard TD, at Missouri … the 88-yard TD return is the third longest in UT history … was named Big 12 Special Teams Player of the Week (10/3) for his efforts

SOPHOMORE (2004)
Shared time with starter Tarell Brown at cornerback in all 12 games … posted 36 tackles, three PBUs and an INT … a key part of a defense that allowed just 320.1 yards per game (23rd NCAA) and 17.9 points per game (18th NCAA) … led the team in punt returns and yardage with 18 for 136 yards … averaging 7.6 yards per return with a long of 20 yards at Colorado … had one kickoff return for 26 yards at Arkansas … opened the season with one tackle against North Texas … posted three tackles at Arkansas … made four tackles versus Rice … tallied four tackles and a PBU against Baylor … recorded five tackles and a PBU versus No. 2 Oklahoma … had a career-high eight tackles and his first career INT against Missouri … returned the interception 64 yards to the Missouri 12, leading to a UT touchdown and a 21-14 lead … had three tackles and a PBU at Texas Tech … posted two tackles at Colorado, versus No. 19 Oklahoma State, at Kansas and versus No. 13 Michigan in the Rose Bowl.

FRESHMAN (2003)
Played in all 13 games as the primary backup at left cornerback and on special teams … shared UT’s Outstanding Defensive Newcomer honor … registered 27 tackles (22 solos), including 11 on special teams, and two PBUs … made one tackle in his first career game (versus New Mexico State) … recorded three tackles each at Rice and Iowa State … also recorded his first career PBU against the Cyclones … had a season-high five tackles, all solo, at Baylor … notched two tackles versus No. 15 Washington State in the Holiday Bowl.


Yeah, I guess you're right... (http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=15&change_well_id=17&member_id=77)

bah007
11-09-2006, 08:40 AM
http://mackbrown-texasfootball.com/image_lib/ross_aaron_05_175.jpg

Aaron Ross #31
Height: 6-1
Weight: 192
Class: Sr.-3L
Hometown: Tyler, TX (John Tyler)

JUNIOR (2005)
Played in all 13 games, starting two, at cornerback … tabbed first-team All-Big 12 as a punt returner by Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Houston Chronicle and San Antonio Express-News and second-team All-Big 12 by the Austin American-Statesman … earned honorable mention All-Big 12 honors as a punt returner from The Associated Press … part of a defense that ranked 10th nationally in total defense (302.9 ypg), eighth in scoring defense (16.4 ppg), fourth in pass efficiency defense (96.7) and eighth in passing defense (172.0 ypg) … recorded 62 tackles, two TFL, a team-high three INTs, nine PBU and forced a fumble … posted 500 punt return yards (No. 3 on UT’s single-season list) on 34 returns (No. 8 on UT’s single season list) and scored two TDs (T-No. 1 on UT’s single season list) … his 14.7 yards per return average ranked 10th in the nation … he is only the second player in UT history to return two punts for TDs in a season … also finished third on the team with nine special teams tackles … opened the season with two tackles, a PBU and an INT, while returning five punts for 106 yards, including a 52-yarder, against La.-Lafayette … added six tackles, including a TFL, at No. 4 Ohio State … added three tackles against Rice … posted two tackles and returned four punts for 129 yards, including an 88-yard TD, at Missouri … the 88-yard TD return is the third longest in UT history … was named Big 12 Special Teams Player of the Week (10/3) for his efforts

SOPHOMORE (2004)
Shared time with starter Tarell Brown at cornerback in all 12 games … posted 36 tackles, three PBUs and an INT … a key part of a defense that allowed just 320.1 yards per game (23rd NCAA) and 17.9 points per game (18th NCAA) … led the team in punt returns and yardage with 18 for 136 yards … averaging 7.6 yards per return with a long of 20 yards at Colorado … had one kickoff return for 26 yards at Arkansas … opened the season with one tackle against North Texas … posted three tackles at Arkansas … made four tackles versus Rice … tallied four tackles and a PBU against Baylor … recorded five tackles and a PBU versus No. 2 Oklahoma … had a career-high eight tackles and his first career INT against Missouri … returned the interception 64 yards to the Missouri 12, leading to a UT touchdown and a 21-14 lead … had three tackles and a PBU at Texas Tech … posted two tackles at Colorado, versus No. 19 Oklahoma State, at Kansas and versus No. 13 Michigan in the Rose Bowl.

FRESHMAN (2003)
Played in all 13 games as the primary backup at left cornerback and on special teams … shared UT’s Outstanding Defensive Newcomer honor … registered 27 tackles (22 solos), including 11 on special teams, and two PBUs … made one tackle in his first career game (versus New Mexico State) … recorded three tackles each at Rice and Iowa State … also recorded his first career PBU against the Cyclones … had a season-high five tackles, all solo, at Baylor … notched two tackles versus No. 15 Washington State in the Holiday Bowl.


Yeah, I guess you're right... (http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=15&change_well_id=17&member_id=77)

Well I know for a fact that he was ineligible for 2 years.

If he has played 4 then I guess he is has been at Texas for 6 and is just 2 years older than everyone else.

real
11-09-2006, 08:42 AM
Well I know for a fact that he was ineligible for 2 years.

If he has played 4 then I guess he is has been at Texas for 6 and is just 2 years older than everyone else.


PERSONAL
Born 9/15/82 in San Antonio … full name is Aaron Jermaine Ross … also has lived in Chandler, Texas … majoring in education … active in UT’s community service program … served as a summer camp counselor during high school (Camp Tyler Summer Camp) … enjoys playing video games in his spare time.

You may be right, but before you say what Im saying is "not true"....you should do your research....

bah007
11-09-2006, 08:44 AM
PERSONAL
Born 9/15/82 in San Antonio … full name is Aaron Jermaine Ross … also has lived in Chandler, Texas … majoring in education … active in UT’s community service program … served as a summer camp counselor during high school (Camp Tyler Summer Camp) … enjoys playing video games in his spare time.

You may be right, but before you say I'm wrong you should do your research...

Your right. I shouldnt have said you were wrong.

But I was positive that he was ineligible for 2 years.

If he is 24 then it is most likely that this is his 6th year in college.

real
11-09-2006, 08:49 AM
Your right. I shouldnt have said you were wrong.

But I was positive that he was ineligible for 2 years.

If he is 24 then it is most likely that this is his 6th year in college.

Yeah.... you are probably right about that because he does seem a little ripe...

Blake
11-09-2006, 11:50 AM
I think he is worth a 2nd round selection. though I see him going 25-32.

He has the size and instincts to play the game. If you have watched him in any of his games, you will have seen at least 1 game changing play from this guy.

I think he would be a great 2nd round pick for us. Throw him in at nickel, and let him learn.

He would make a great draft for us, linking him with either Adrian Peterson, or Joe Thomas.

Dark horse pick: I really cant see us going for a defensive player again. So I will choose Calvin Johnson.

Huge
11-09-2006, 11:53 AM
Ross had clearinghouse issues coming out of high school. He could've enrolled at UT and been ineligible for two years but instead went back to high school (this after already receiving a diploma, mind you), finished the classes that were in question and enrolled into UT two years later with 4 years of eligibility still intact.

painekiller
11-09-2006, 12:10 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/college_football/20061019-0016-fbc-t25-texas-ross.html

Here is the story,from the AP.



Longhorns defensive back took long road to UT and success





By Jim Vertuno
ASSOCIATED PRESS

12:16 a.m. October 19, 2006

AUSTIN, Texas – Aaron Ross had to feel like he was in “The Twilight Zone.”
Understanding College Football Fans (PDF)


He was 20 years old and back in high school. Sitting among 15- and 16-year-olds in sophomore English, he listened to the same discussions about composition, literature and poetry he had already heard years before.

And yet, he was happy.

Pass this class – again – and his long and winding road to becoming a Texas Longhorn would finally end. An administrative goof and a missing half credit of high school English had held up his college football career for two years.

“I did a lot of waiting,” said Ross, now a 24-year-old senior starting cornerback for No. 5 Texas. “And praying.”


He looks back on those days with a laugh now. None of it seemed very funny four years ago.
Ross didn't know it, but his long detour began when he moved from San Antonio to Tyler after his sophomore year of high school.

Although he didn't start playing football until he was 15, two years in Tyler had turned him into a top recruit. He was part of the Longhorns' 2001 recruiting class considered among the best in the country.

He graduated in the spring and by late summer he was ready for preseason practice.

Then the NCAA stepped in. There was a problem.

Although he had been accepted by the university, his high school transcript didn't show he had taken English II, a core requirement for the NCAA.

He wasn't eligible to play because that measly half credit didn't make the paperwork when he changed schools.

There were tears when coach Mack Brown broke the news. Texas filed a waiver with the NCAA but was denied. Ross went home to Tyler.

He thought about enrolling at Blinn Junior College, but spending two years in exile at a college football outpost didn't appeal to him.

So he waited. He worked out. He got a job as a file clerk in a doctor's office as officials tried to drum up a record of his sophomore class.

Ross thought the problem was fixed and signed again with Texas in 2002 as part of another standout class that included Vince Young.

But the same thing happened. The NCAA still didn't have the missing class.

“Everybody was apologizing,” Ross said. “But it wasn't changing anything.”

A Texas assistant coach suggested he retake the missing class. That meant going back to high school.

When he left high school the first time in 2001, he was a senior football stud. Now he was a 20-year-old 10th grader. Teenage angst and girl problems were supposed to be long gone, not surrounding him.

“It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be,” he said. “People did tease me about coming back out for the football team.”

He passed – again – with an “A” – again – and signed with Texas – again – in 2003.

“I was part of three recruiting classes,” Ross said with a laugh.

He's played a key role on defense and special teams ever since, and he plans to graduate next summer with a degree in education.

Teammate Michael Griffin got the early attention as the leader of the secondary this season, but it's been the steady Ross who has been the most consistent. He has a team-high four interceptions, two in the fourth quarter against Oklahoma.

He typically draws the toughest coverage assignments. That meant matching up with Ohio State's Ted Ginn Jr., who beat him for a touchdown in the Buckeyes' 24-7 win, a play featured on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

Ross shrugs it off. A year earlier, he helped shut down Ginn in a Texas win.

Even after Ohio State won, Buckeyes quarterback Troy Smith called Ross a “great cornerback, probably the best in the Big 12.”

Ross lived up to that with his game against Oklahoma. The two interceptions and a fumble return for a touchdown clinched a 28-10 win. Brown started lobbying for Ross to be an all-American.

“If he's not the best defensive back playing in the country,” UT defensive co-coordinator Duane Akina said, “I don't know who is.”

As a punt returner, Ross has three career touchdowns.

Ross says life is good with that two-year detour well behind him, a wait that taught him patience and persistence. At 24, he takes good-natured ribbing from his teammates that he's the “old man” of the team.

His girlfriend, Sanya Richards, is the former UT track star who holds the American women's record in the 400 meters and won an Olympic relay gold medal in 2004.

Richards got to Texas a year before Ross and met him his freshman year.

“Then I found out he was older than me,” she said. “I didn't understand how that could be.”

She was attracted to him in part because he always seemed so happy. Even when she dinged up his car in a fender bender, he didn't get mad.

“There's not a single thing to be unhappy about,” said Ross, who somewhere in all that extra English education learned how to write his girlfriend a couple of poems.

The two get a lot of ribbing now about who's faster.

Ross said he could take her in the 100 or 200 meters. The 400, her specialty, would be different.

“She'd murder me,” Ross said.



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Rex King
11-15-2006, 08:50 PM
I like Ross' upside, and I'm a neutral when it comes to UT, but here's a question. Between him, Griffin, and Tarrell Brown, who was more highly rated than Ross coming into the season, you'd think they'd be pretty good against the pass. So how do you explain the fact that UT is ranked 108th in passing defense and 78th in passing efficiency defense. Is it a case of teams passing more after falling behind and UT playing prevent? Is it scheme?

mexican_texan
11-15-2006, 08:59 PM
Injuries

Rex King
11-15-2006, 09:41 PM
I was thinking of that, but they had their first string against K State, Nebraska, and Tech all of whom lit them up.

threetoedpete
11-15-2006, 09:44 PM
I like Ross' upside, and I'm a neutral when it comes to UT, but here's a question. Between him, Griffin, and Tarrell Brown, who was more highly rated than Ross coming into the season, you'd think they'd be pretty good against the pass. So how do you explain the fact that UT is ranked 108th in passing defense and 78th in passing efficiency defense. Is it a case of teams passing more after falling behind and UT playing prevent? Is it scheme?

I explain it by posting that the UT DBs are over rated this year. I've got no problems with taking the guys if they pass the scouts eyeball test. Just don't over pay for them. Ross at the very least is a canidate to beat out some one for the nickle back. He's versitle, and if he falls into the third round, I got no problem with taking the guy. Just no more Travis Johnson picks, k' guys. Brown falls into the sixth or seventh and they like him I got no problem with that. The guy I like a lot, who for my money has out played Landry, the last three games for a possible FS canidate is the right corner back from Arkansas. Same size, Hits a ton, can cover...playmaker. Ginn Jr. and Gonzales
exposed the Texas DBs the first game. When they lost the pass rush because OSU's o-line stoned texas' pass rushers, Smith cut that back feild to peices. If they were a horse, the sherrif would of shot them to put them out of their missery.

mexican_texan
11-15-2006, 09:57 PM
I think coaching and the scheme also has something to do with it. DBs are often caught out of position.

run-david-run
11-16-2006, 03:35 AM
I think UT plays too much zone and rellys on front 4 pressure, when that dosnt get there, they look like the Texans the first 3 weeks of the season. I have seen Ross get beat deep a few times, but for the most part he has been very solid, definately worth a 2nd round pick, maybe a first (depending on where we are drafting)

Huge
11-16-2006, 07:39 PM
I was thinking of that (injuries), but they had their first string against K State, Nebraska, and Tech all of whom lit them up.
Their starters were playing but they weren't playing at full strength.

Brown has a toe injury...possibly broken. That's death for a CB.
Both Griffin's are fighting ankle injuries.

Some of it has to do with them playing poorly. That includes coverage and tackling. Some of that is attributable to the coaching. Some of it is due to lack of a pass rush. Some of that is due to teams not being able to run on Texas (2nd in the nation in run defense) so they have to pass.

texaslifter
11-17-2006, 08:38 AM
Having watched every UT game (I'm a student) I can help out with this. The UT secondary is usually a strength of ours, and I still believe it is. However, the reason our secondary's stats are so bad is that we have a killer rush defense so nobody tries to run on us. Combine that with more and more teams in the big 12 running spread offense passing offenses and stats get worse. Consider too that every team we play gives us their best game because no matter what bowl game they play, they won't play a team as good as texas and things start looking pretty bad. Injuries haven't helped, nor has Chizik's scheme this year. I think we play a little too much zone, and are a little conservative in our pass rush. Our D line is generally a strength and while it is this year in terms of rush defense, I dont think they are getting enough pressure on the QB. I'm also not a huge fan of our linebacking corp this year...

Rex King
11-17-2006, 05:17 PM
Appreciate all the responses. As a northern-grown boy, I generally follow the Big 10 a lot closer than the Big 12. "I think we play a little too much zone, and are a little conservative in our pass rush" - have had the same complaints about this about a certain team of mine. Also sounds like 05 Texans. Well, sorta. Sorry for derailing the topic, I was just curious.

mexican_texan
11-17-2006, 05:45 PM
I never really saw Aaronn Ross as a first day pick. Especially after that fumble in the Rose Bowl...