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Cjeremy635
10-31-2006, 07:48 AM
OK, I took around 4 pages of notes while listening to the show last night so I could recap on here what he said for those who weren't able to hear it. I'll break it down into segments so the posts won't be so long.

1st Segment (Kubiak Talking)

Thoughts on Game: Defense played well, offense moved the ball well, turnovers killed us.

QB Controversy: David is the QB and the future of the team. He was disappointed that David didn't protect the ball better. He gave Sage the opportunity and wasn't surprised he did well. He said David's job is "very" secure and not even an issue. He believes in him and the direction that he is going.

Turnovers David Had: David could have been protected better by the linemen, but David still needs to ptotect the ball. He should have taken the sack & held on to the ball. After the interception he told David to remember practice and how they went over different scenarios with that exact play. He needs to make a better decision in that situation.

2 -minute Drill: They were close to midfield and it was 3rd & 13. They called the dagger play- deep over the middle of the field. They were going to try to get down the field for a field goal. David should have felt the pressure and taken the sack & protected the ball.

Lundy: 116 rushing yards and he ran very well. He's more comfortable in the system and he has more confidence. He was excellent in protection in the game and that was a real concern early in the season.

Owen Daniels: Owen was excellent in the game. He's surprised he took on such a big role so quickly. He's done really good things so far and been a big impact player. He expects him to continue to do so for years to come.

I'll post the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th segments soon.

Kaiser Toro
10-31-2006, 07:51 AM
Good stuff. Thanks for sharing and look forward to the other installments.

Cjeremy635
10-31-2006, 08:02 AM
2nd Segment (Kubiak Talking)

Defense: Only 197 total yards allowed and had a great outing. They've played well the last few weeks and he credits it to them getting more comfortable in Richard's system. The vet's played well and the defense will continue to get better each week. He thought that they played well enough for them to win the game. He was asked about the Faggins interferance call and said that he had excellent position and he didn't feel like it was interferance. He turned the call into the league for review.

Special Teams: Shepard's problems were unexpected because he's been doing good, but he had to make a change and put Anderson in. Shepard will keep working hard and Anderson will get more opportunities. He was asked about punts and he said that the goal was to punt toward the sideline to keep the returner contained but the ball got away from them a few times and they still need to make plays in that situation.

Injuries: Salaam and Zack are both beat up pretty good. They are both sore, but they should be fine. Wong & Peek have a slight hamstring problem and Mario's foot is sore. They should all be OK.

Winston at Tackle: He did a good job and will rotate in more and get some good experience in these next games. He said Winston was good for the future of the franchise.

False Starts & Penalties: Not Salaam's character to have penalties like that. They need to be more disciplined and take a hard look at themselves as a whole and not make mental mistakes.

Vince Young: He's a fine player and has fun out there. He made a good play with his feet and a pass for the TD. He knew the coach at U.T. that worked with Vince.

I'll post 3rd & 4th segment soon.

Texans_Chick
10-31-2006, 08:06 AM
I have to spread the rep around before I give it to you again.

Mario's foot? Get the man some better shoes.

JDizzle
10-31-2006, 08:10 AM
I have to spread the rep around before I give it to you again.

Mario's foot? Get the man some better shoes.

I hear Yao has a good shoemaker ....

Cjeremy635
10-31-2006, 08:11 AM
3rd Segment

Caller:
Q: Why no shotgun formations and how do you choose schemes that you use in the games?
A: They did have some shotgun play in the plans but didn't use them. David plays under center and it is his strength. The shotgun may buy you a little time, but it changes the game for the QB because you have to take your eye off the defense for a second. As far as the playbook goes, it is really thick. They decide what they use by fitting it to the player's strengths and what they do best. The playbook contains plays that he has been a part of over the years and also plays from coaches he works with.

O Linemen: Weary and McKinney played well and they will keep doing what they are doing. They went with seven linemen this last game.

4th segment coming soon.

Kaiser Toro
10-31-2006, 08:16 AM
3rd Segment

Caller:
Q: Why no shotgun formations and how do you choose schemes that you use in the games?
A: They did have some shotgun play in the plans but didn't use them. David plays under center and it is his strength. The shotgun may buy you a little time, but it changes the game for the QB because you have to take your eye off the defense for a second. As far as the playbook goes, it is really thick. They decide what they use by fitting it to the player's strengths and what they do best. The playbook contains plays that he has been a part of over the years and also plays from coaches he works with.

O Linemen: Weary and McKinney played well and they will keep doing what they are doing. They went with seven linemen this last game.

4th segment coming soon.

There is the answer we were looking for, but never heard from the previous regime. Dave's weakness of reading defenses limits the offensive playbook. I like the fact that Kubiak tries to play to one's strengths, but when you make 7million at QB and you cannot read defenses out of the shotgun, it is time to get some glasses, spend all of your time watching film or be cut immediately.

SBTexans08
10-31-2006, 08:19 AM
I thought what he was saying was that, shot-gun isn't really all that better, time wise. Sure it makes the DL or LBs travel a few steps further and that's a positive but at the same time....the QB has to pay close attention to the ball when hiked so that he doesn't lose it, and while doing this...it takes away a bit of that time that you were trying to buy with shot-gun since you can't look at the defense for that quick instance while getting the ball hiked in your hands.

And really...I'd think that while in Shotgun formation....it's easier for a QB to read a defense. I thought that was always the case.

Cjeremy635
10-31-2006, 08:23 AM
4th Segment

Caller:
Q: Why does Sage find wide open receivers down the field when David only finds 5 to 8 yard receivers if you are calling the same plays for both QBs?
A: QBs have different strengths. You also have to look at the coverages that the defense had on those plays.

Kubiak Talking

Update on Mathis: Rehab is going OK and they will step up work outs. They are going to have to make a decision on him coming back in something like 8 days.

Rushing Defense: Ball control helped (time of posession). The defense only had 43 snaps. Mainly goes back to being more comfortable. The team is trusting Demeco's leadership and he is getting people in the right spot to make plays.

Team Meeting: Talked about why they weren't successful. He told them it wasn't about one player and he explained to them why he did what he did and that they all need to look at themselves and be accountable. He was asked about the team wanting Sage as the QB and he said that the team believes in David and that he can lead them.

Dayne: He's a load to tackle and good in short yardage. He understands the game, protections, and the system. He will probably play the next game. They will keep working with Gado and there may be games where they have 3 backs active.

Caller:
Q: How do you plan to stop Burress and what did you do in your off week?
A: NY has a good combination and receiver and QB and they have a lot of talent all over that they need to plan for. He spent time with his family on his off week and watched his boy in college play ball. He said it was a nice break.

That's it. Hopefully this update will be helpful for some of you. Enjoy.

SBTexans08
10-31-2006, 08:41 AM
Thanks C.J.!

Cjeremy635
10-31-2006, 08:47 AM
Hey guys/gals, thanks for the positive responses. I'll try to make this a weekly thing except for next week because I'll be out of town for opening weekend of deer season...:shoot: .

TEXANRED
10-31-2006, 09:08 AM
2nd Segment (Kubiak Talking)

Winston at Tackle: He did a good job and will rotate in more and get some good experience in these next games. He said Winston was good for the future of the franchise.



Thats really really good to hear.

Cjeremy635
10-31-2006, 09:40 AM
I thought what he was saying was that, shot-gun isn't really all that better, time wise. Sure it makes the DL or LBs travel a few steps further and that's a positive but at the same time....the QB has to pay close attention to the ball when hiked so that he doesn't lose it, and while doing this...it takes away a bit of that time that you were trying to buy with shot-gun since you can't look at the defense for that quick instance while getting the ball hiked in your hands.

And really...I'd think that while in Shotgun formation....it's easier for a QB to read a defense. I thought that was always the case.


That's what I got out of it when I listened to it. It didn't seem like he was dogging Carr. He made it out like he has been around a lot of QBs and he has been in different systems himself and he didn't see that it would benefit his game play by putting him in that formation. He did say that David tends to hurry up on a lot of his stuff and that when he is in the shotgun formation it makes him even quicker and that wasn't necessarily a good thing. (I am assuming he meant with getting rid of the ball too quick and not going through all of his progressions)

Porky
10-31-2006, 09:48 AM
So let me recap. Carr is no good in the shotgun because he has to take his eye off the defense for a second to make sure he receives the ball, even though he has problems receiving the snap from under center. He is so poor at reading coverages that the split second he must take his eye off the defense renders him ineffective, even though most pro QB's use the shotgun, and a rookie managed it just fine Sunday. Carr almost always throws dinks and dunks because his strength is not throwing down the field, unlike QB 2 on the roster. Carr also has problems throwing into quadruple coverage even though they practiced that very play and all of its scenrios that week. And, he has trouble protecting the ball when sacked. I think I have that about right.

But, David is great and he is our QB. He is far better than Sage, and has earned the right to start. Do I have that about right coach? :ok:

valleytexfan
10-31-2006, 09:57 AM
Thanks Jeremy. Great job!! :ok:

Cjeremy635
10-31-2006, 09:58 AM
So let me recap. Carr is no good in the shotgun because he has to take his eye off the defense for a second to make sure he receives the ball, even though he has problems receiving the snap from under center. He is so poor at reading coverages that the split second he must take his eye off the defense renders him ineffective, even though most pro QB's use the shotgun, and a rookie managed it just fine Sunday. Carr almost always throws dinks and dunks because his strength is not throwing down the field, unlike QB 2 on the roster. Carr also has problems throwing into quadruple coverage even though they practiced that very play and all of its scenrios that week. And, he has trouble protecting the ball when sacked. I think I have that about right.

But, David is great and he is our QB. He is far better than Sage, and has earned the right to start. Do I have that about right coach? :ok:


No, Sage is the best option to put on the field and win the game.

Signed,
Cody Carlson

TexansLucky13
10-31-2006, 10:03 AM
There is the answer we were looking for, but never heard from the previous regime. Dave's weakness of reading defenses limits the offensive playbook. I like the fact that Kubiak tries to play to one's strengths, but when you make 7million at QB and you cannot read defenses out of the shotgun, it is time to get some glasses, spend all of your time watching film or be cut immediately.

Eh... I think you are getting away with murder when you pull that thought of what Kubiak said. He was speaking in general about the shotgun formation. Jeepers.....

Porky
10-31-2006, 10:03 AM
No, Sage is the best option to put on the field and win the game.

Signed,
Cody Carlson

Cody is as good as Carr, I will say that. Is that the best rebuttal you have?

Runner
10-31-2006, 10:07 AM
So let me recap. Carr is no good in the shotgun because he has to take his eye off the defense for a second to make sure he receives the ball, even though he has problems receiving the snap from under center. He is so poor at reading coverages that the split second he must take his eye off the defense renders him ineffective, even though most pro QB's use the shotgun, and a rookie managed it just fine Sunday. Carr almost always throws dinks and dunks because his strength is not throwing down the field, unlike QB 2 on the roster. Carr also has problems throwing into quadruple coverage even though they practiced that very play and all of its scenrios that week. And, he has trouble protecting the ball when sacked. I think I have that about right.

But, David is great and he is our QB. He is far better than Sage, and has earned the right to start. Do I have that about right coach? :ok:

Well if you are going to get picky...

From the Kubiak Presser:
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=3046&section=N%20Latest%20News

(on concerns at tackle) “I’m not concerned about their effort. They’re both playing extremely hard. Ephraim’s (Salaam) beat up right now, and he got put in that situation with us losing (T Charles) Spencer. ... Could they have played better? Yes, but I think both of them are giving us all they’ve got.”


1) So Salaam and Weigert are trying really hard and giving their best effort as they get dominated by a pretty poor defense. Maybe at this point in their careers they are no longer good enough to get the job done. Having extra meetings and letting Weigert skip practices aren't going to change that.

2) If they know Salaam is in a situation he can't handle because of the Spencer injury, than start somebody else and let Salaam fill the role of swing tackle back-up he is suited for.

Kaiser Toro
10-31-2006, 10:08 AM
Eh... I think you are getting away with murder when you pull that thought of what Kubiak said. He was speaking in general about the shotgun formation. Jeepers.....

It is simply a thought based on my perception of Carr and the recanted words of Kubiak without accurate context and no inflection. Hardly murder, but I am connecting the dots which is today's method of operation for laying blame.

Cjeremy635
10-31-2006, 10:09 AM
Cody is as good as Carr, I will say that. Is that the best rebuttal you have?


No, I'm trying not to put too much thought into it. It's an aggrevating situation for all of us fans, but I've come to the conclusion that I'm tired of complaining and I don't want this to ruin the season for me. I've waited all offseason for this team to get on the field and show me what they've got. I'm to the point now where I just want to watch the games, scream for the good and cuss the bad, and wait anxiously for a better product next year.

jerek
10-31-2006, 10:10 AM
Hey guys/gals, thanks for the positive responses. I'll try to make this a weekly thing except for next week because I'll be out of town for opening weekend of deer season...:shoot: .

I tried to rep you but I couldn't. Appreciate the transcripts!

Cjeremy635
10-31-2006, 10:12 AM
I tried to rep you but I couldn't. Appreciate the transcripts!

Hey, no problem and you all are welcome. Glad to share. :redtowel:

TexansLucky13
10-31-2006, 10:13 AM
It is simply a thought based on my perception of Carr and the recanted words of Kubiak without accurate context and no inflection. Hardly murder, but I am connecting the dots which is today's method of operation for laying blame.

I gotcha. The easy thing for me to say is that David has never been surrounded by someone like Kubiak who knows how to develop a QB, and thus he has these bad habits that need to be broken. While that may be ultimately true it still does not pardon two fumbles on his part.

I may be one of the biggest Carr :homer: of all time, but I still agree with what Kubiak did. This is the moment that seperates the men from the boys. If Carr comes out of getting benched and plays his absolute best next week and from then on.... we will know that he is the right one for the team.

Kubiak knows what he is doing.

Cjeremy635
10-31-2006, 10:24 AM
I gotcha. The easy thing for me to say is that David has never been surrounded by someone like Kubiak who knows how to develop a QB, and thus he has these bad habits that need to be broken. While that may be ultimately true it still does not pardon two fumbles on his part.

I may be one of the biggest Carr :homer: of all time, but I still agree with what Kubiak did. This is the moment that seperates the men from the boys. If Carr comes out of getting benched and plays his absolute best next week and from then on.... we will know that he is the right one for the team.

Kubiak knows what he is doing.


I hope you're right Lucky and that Carr comes out of this debacle with a whole new outlook on his game and the correct decisions that he needs to make. My only concern is how does benching someone make them hold on to the ball better? The outcome that I fear happening is that he focuses so much on holding on to the ball that he holds on too long and takes an unnecessary sack or doesn't have enough time to go through his reads because his first thought is "hold the ball". Someone chime in and help me through this thought process.

Porky
10-31-2006, 10:30 AM
No, I'm trying not to put too much thought into it. It's an aggrevating situation for all of us fans, but I've come to the conclusion that I'm tired of complaining and I don't want this to ruin the season for me. I've waited all offseason for this team to get on the field and show me what they've got. I'm to the point now where I just want to watch the games, scream for the good and cuss the bad, and wait anxiously for a better product next year.

Fair enough. I really appreciate the update for those of us unable to listen. Thanks!!

TexansLucky13
10-31-2006, 10:57 AM
I hope you're right Lucky and that Carr comes out of this debacle with a whole new outlook on his game and the correct decisions that he needs to make. My only concern is how does benching someone make them hold on to the ball better? The outcome that I fear happening is that he focuses so much on holding on to the ball that he holds on too long and takes an unnecessary sack or doesn't have enough time to go through his reads because his first thought is "hold the ball". Someone chime in and help me through this thought process.

I just think that it is a whole new outlook for David. Think about it. Kubiak has made it quite clear that he will play the best player at each position. At the end of the first half, Kubiak knew that Sage needed to step in.

What does this do for David? In my opinion, everything. No one has ever challenged David's role as starting QB. We have built the franchise around his image and he may have felt like no matter the team does, he will still be the QB because he is David Carr. Now, I love the guy and I see his potential.... but that doesn't mean I won't criticize him or point out the obvious.

Anyone know takes their power for granted will fall. This works for all aspects of life. In football... you can't afford to be satisfied with the way you are playing. You have to want to work harder and be better. If you don't, you will never improve.

Kubiak knows what goes through a QB's head. He has been there. Pulling him out of the game may have been the best thing he will ever do for David. It just changes his outlook on the game. I expect David to come back and make a big difference on the field. I expect mistake-free football for the rest of the season, and so does Kubiak.

I have always taken up the argument for David. You guys know that. I would defend David til death. The guy has what it takes to be a legend.

dtran04
10-31-2006, 11:03 AM
Think Kubiak is talking about the system rather than Carr. I don't watch too much of the Broncos but I doubt they run much out of the shotgun either.

alphajoker
10-31-2006, 11:05 AM
Thanks for the hard work you put into this post! I really wanted to catch this one but I had to go to pinche school instead.

Texanfan4ever
10-31-2006, 11:13 AM
So let me recap. Carr is no good in the shotgun because he has to take his eye off the defense for a second to make sure he receives the ball, even though he has problems receiving the snap from under center. He is so poor at reading coverages that the split second he must take his eye off the defense renders him ineffective, even though most pro QB's use the shotgun, and a rookie managed it just fine Sunday. Carr almost always throws dinks and dunks because his strength is not throwing down the field, unlike QB 2 on the roster. Carr also has problems throwing into quadruple coverage even though they practiced that very play and all of its scenrios that week. And, he has trouble protecting the ball when sacked. I think I have that about right.

But, David is great and he is our QB. He is far better than Sage, and has earned the right to start. Do I have that about right coach? :ok:

You have it right. You just spun it to make it sound like what you wanted. Furthermore, whether Carr can throw the ball or not has never been up for question. That's silly. And correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think Carr is out there calling his own plays.

rafterticket
10-31-2006, 11:35 AM
I may be one of the biggest Carr :homer: of all time, but I still agree with what Kubiak did. This is the moment that seperates the men from the boys. If Carr comes out of getting benched and plays his absolute best next week and from then on.... we will know that he is the right one for the team.

Kubiak knows what he is doing.

You sure didn't sound that way on Sunday, when I posted that my first thought was pull him after that second fumble.

I'm glad you accept that Kubiak's decision was a good one. DC was in full stage four meltdown. It was going to get worse.

And again, jeremy - I am a Carr fan. You can check my posting history.

hollywood_texan
10-31-2006, 11:39 AM
... whether Carr can throw the ball or not has never been up for question. That's silly.

From time to time, people have questioned Carr's arm strength, velocity, and the look of spiral.

Texanfan4ever
10-31-2006, 11:41 AM
I agree too that Kubiak should have pulled Carr. I love the "full stage four meltdown" thought. He truly was, and going down hill fast. Leftovers from the previous regime created in him mentally.

Here's to David making a comeback against the Giants. Is that possible against the Giants? I don't think I can watch.

HOU-TEX
10-31-2006, 11:44 AM
I agree too that Kubiak should have pulled Carr. I love the "full stage four meltdown" thought. He truly was, and going down hill fast. Leftovers from the previous regime created in him mentally.

Here's to David making a comeback against the Giants. Is that possible against the Giants? I don't think I can watch.

I don't know. Needless to say, it'll be interesting. Let's just hope we don't have to endure a stage 5 meltdown.:yikes:

rafterticket
10-31-2006, 11:54 AM
He truly was, and going down hill fast. Leftovers from the previous regime created in him mentally.

Here's to David making a comeback against the Giants. Is that possible against the Giants? I don't think I can watch.

Well, I haven't given up on him just yet. I hope he kicks butt next week. I want this loss and benching to be his benchmark moment - when he REALLY knows that "the franchise" is not his crown/birthright/life estate/etc. I want him to be scared of Sage Rosenfels (he should be).

I HATE seeing them lose games when they are clearly the better team. Who dominates Time of Possession and plays one of the best games defensively in the history of the franchise and loses?

Sorry, everyone. This is my stage four. I've been quiet for two days about this, and I am still p****d. I'm like everyone else - I want the Texans to win. And I am still willing to say the future is bright.

Double Barrel
10-31-2006, 11:58 AM
Good job, Cjeremy635. :thumbup I greatly appreciate the recap.

aj.
10-31-2006, 12:13 PM
What I got out of Kubiak's shotgun answer when I heard it were two things: 1) he said that "it changes the game back there" - presumably in terms of misdirection and play action and what you can and can't do with the run from the shotgun, and 2) that he liked Carr under center because it helped slow him down - footwork wise.

The notion of QBs taking their eyes off the defense for a split second when in the shotgun was actually suggested by Rich Lord when he was interpreting the caller's question for Kubiak (when Lord brought up other QBs in the past like Dan Fouts who never liked the shotgun). I didn't hear Kubiak offer the "eyes off" theory unsolicited and Lord led him into it by seemingly asking for Kubiak to justify that theory - which he didn't give the time of day as compared to as 1 and 2 above.

It's certainly interesting to see that people are concluding from an interpretation of Kubiak's answer to that question that our playbook is limited because Carr can't read defenses.

Nice job, Cjeremy.

TexansLucky13
10-31-2006, 12:25 PM
You sure didn't sound that way on Sunday, when I posted that my first thought was pull him after that second fumble.

I'm glad you accept that Kubiak's decision was a good one. DC was in full stage four meltdown. It was going to get worse.

Yea... I was pretty ticked off right about then. I love David, there is no way around it. Sometimes my :homer:ism gets in the way of rational thought. I needed a few days to rest my brain.

I know it was the right thing to do. I didn't want to watch him sit on the sidelines but I know it had to happen.

TPIMP
10-31-2006, 12:31 PM
Who dominates Time of Possession and plays one of the best games defensively in the history of the franchise and loses?


The Pittsburgh Steelers in 2002 vs the Texans

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/boxes/index.nsf/Games/2002-14-hou-pit

dalemurphy
10-31-2006, 12:36 PM
We're 2-5 and our starting QB has a Qb rating over 90. Why must this board and the radio always be consumed with Qb talk. Carr has neither been the answer nor the problem for this team this year. The real issues this season:

1. OL - particularly at tackle
2. Safeties- pitiful in coverage
3. DL - unable to get consistant pressure on QB
4. OLB- mediocre play versus run and pass
5. Running game- recently turned around
6. CB- thank God Petey's back!
7. A punter that can kick it farther than I can!

Like Carr, hate Carr, respect Carr, disrespect Carr, whatever. Regardless, those issues listed above are more pressing if you want to see this team win more games than it loses. How about more talk about that.

dalemurphy
10-31-2006, 12:38 PM
The Pittsburgh Steelers in 2002 vs the Texans

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/boxes/index.nsf/Games/2002-14-hou-pit


The Pittsburgh Steelers in 2006 vs. the Raiders

Nighthawk
10-31-2006, 12:47 PM
3rd Segment

Caller:
Q: Why no shotgun formations and how do you choose schemes that you use in the games?
A: They did have some shotgun play in the plans but didn't use them. David plays under center and it is his strength. The shotgun may buy you a little time, but it changes the game for the QB because you have to take your eye off the defense for a second. As far as the playbook goes, it is really thick. They decide what they use by fitting it to the player's strengths and what they do best. The playbook contains plays that he has been a part of over the years and also plays from coaches he works with.

O Linemen: Weary and McKinney played well and they will keep doing what they are doing. They went with seven linemen this last game.

4th segment coming soon.


I thought the shotgun was used precisely so the QB didn't have to take his eyes off the defense, whereas when under center he has to turn his back during the drop?

Cjeremy635
10-31-2006, 12:52 PM
I thought the shotgun was used precisely so the QB didn't have to take his eyes off the defense, whereas when under center he has to turn his back during the drop?

As A.J. said earlier, he did go on to discuss the fact that Carr tends to speed things up back there and the shotgun makes him do it even faster. That is one of the resons why they keep him under center and the fact that he is the best in that position.

Texanfan4ever
10-31-2006, 02:18 PM
Yea... I was pretty ticked off right about then. I love David, there is no way around it. Sometimes my :homer:ism gets in the way of rational thought. I needed a few days to rest my brain.

I know it was the right thing to do. I didn't want to watch him sit on the sidelines but I know it had to happen.


LOL Brain resting is good. I've always said that loving the Texans is like being on a roller coaster ride. There are real highs and real lows, for all different reasons. The highs are REALLY high because there have been SO many lows.

I personally need to stay away from this board on nights after games like Sunday's for my own good. My homerism causes my rational thought to go right out the window, and emotion is a powerful weapon or tool.

But for the record, even when he did it, I thought Kubiak made the right decision benching Carr at that time. I just wish it wasn't the Giants we were playing on Sunday, and that we were playing here at home.