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SurrealMcCoy
10-30-2006, 05:09 AM
..from Sage cost us this game. If he was even HALF the QB people on here think he is, then he would of won that game. Fact is, he lost it on his own - pure and simple.

1. His INT was ridiculous. He threw into double coverage and the ball was behind the receiver.

2. Poor clock management on his part lead to us not having enough time to engineer a final drive. Several times he let precious time slip off the clock - time which we could've used at the end of the game. Nice one Sage!

3. Most of his throws were behind the receiver requiring acrobatic catches and preventing them from gaining more YAC. Next time out those bad passes will result in INTs.

4. We can't count his TD's because they were in garbage time and the Thumbtacks were in Prevent D. The INT is still counted because it's part of the weight of evidence against him.

5. He is not performing to his cap hit. He is one the most expensive back up QBs in the league and needs to start performing according to his cap hit.

6. He didn't try to stretch the defense and when he did, the ball ended up in row Z!

7. His dinking and dunking us down the field ate up too much time, preventing us from going for the winning TD.

8. He's been in this league long enough to know better and the mistakes he made were like a rookie. Time for him to put up or shut up.

9. He just doesn't have "it". You could see his lack of leadership out there in the body language of his team mates. They just knew he couldn't get the job done.

10. He was locking on to Owen Daniels when other options were open - possibly for TDs. If he can't learn to look for other receivers then we need to bring in someone else.


I am glad DC got benched because he was truly awful. But let's not allow that to keep us from holding Sage to the same standards as the starting QB. The backup QB is always the most popular guy in town - until he becomes the starter.


PS - Next, I'll explain how Sage contributed to the punt return for a TD.

sleepwalker
10-30-2006, 05:31 AM
Hahahaha, you watched the game film too...Im with you 100% on this one.

I would also like to add:
I'm shocked people want Sage to start against the Giants.

Goatcheese
10-30-2006, 08:38 AM
I agree to an extent. He made good decisions on who to pass to, but didn't make the best throws. The major knock I have on him is that he seemed completely unaware of the situation he was playing in. Down by 2 touchdowns with 5 mins to play he had no sense of urgency.

He outperformed Carr today with his career best performance, but Carr has had better games.

Kaiser Toro
10-30-2006, 09:49 AM
That is a very accurate observation of Sage. But what do you expect from a guy that is only counting against 1% of your cap. The issue is what we get for 7.2 million from Carr.

SBTexans08
10-30-2006, 09:58 AM
If Sage's play yesterday was bad...then what do you call David's in his entire career?

phan1
10-30-2006, 10:16 AM
Geez, I hate it when "leadership" costs us a game. Don't you? :rolleyes:

And as for poor clock management, blame Kubiak. He was the guy who decided to get 1st downs (the correct way to go IMO) instead of bombing it down the field. We needed that onside kick and didn't get it. Nothing else to say there. What really killed us were turnovers and dropped passes (*cough Carr and AJ *cough).

Double Barrel
10-30-2006, 10:20 AM
Give me a break. Our backup QB comes into the 3rd qtr with 9 minutes on the clock and throws three TD passes.

Is is Sage's fault that our special teams can't stop a freakin' punt return? Is it Sage's fault that our starting QB coughs up a fumble for a TD?!

There's fourteen points right there, and we only lost by 6. Do the math.

PS - Next, I'll explain how Sage contributed to the punt return for a TD.

And the strife in the Middle East is somehow Sage's fault, too. riiiiiiight. :ok:

bah007
10-30-2006, 10:25 AM
According to this board we should:

fire Kubiak - cuz of bad clock management (this is his first year as a HC)
cut Carr - cuz he has had great games on only 5 of his 7 starts (he is the best QB on our team)
bench AJ - cuz he drops the ball too much (he is a top 3 WR in the AFC)
go back in time & draft VY or RB - so we can sell tickets instead of win (VY would be worse than Carr behind our line, although he would have a ton of rushing yds & Bush was the 4th best RB in the Draft)

Double Barrel
10-30-2006, 10:29 AM
According to this board we should:

The board is not group think. You can find differing opinions on every subject if you bother to look. There are hundreds of regular posters, and then thousands of semi-regular posters and lurkers who might only post one a month.

So what if the anti-Carr crowd is more vocal today. They've been given enough ammo to justify it. Carr looked like garbage yesterday.

Wharton
10-30-2006, 10:41 AM
Hahahaha, you watched the game film too...Im with you 100% on this one.

I would also like to add:
I'm shocked people want Sage to start against the Giants.
Actually, after having some time to reflect, I want DC to start against the Giants. Strahan and Umenyiora will be eating DC sandwiches all afternoon. DC will have another poor game and that will be the end of the DC era.

:whip:

bah007
10-30-2006, 10:41 AM
The board is not group think. You can find differing opinions on every subject if you bother to look. There are hundreds of regular posters, and then thousands of semi-regular posters and lurkers who might only post one a month.

So what if the anti-Carr crowd is more vocal today. They've been given enough ammo to justify it. Carr looked like garbage yesterday.

I will not dispute those points.

My only point was that as Texans fans I dont understand how we can call these guys our favorite players when they play good & then throw them under the bus when they play bad.

V Man
10-30-2006, 10:44 AM
So we now have thread's on It's Sage's fault and it's David's fault. We should start one It's Sheppard's fault (Nice fumble and way to fair catch on the 4).:brickwall

SurrealMcCoy
10-30-2006, 10:45 AM
Give me a break. Our backup QB comes into the 3rd qtr with 9 minutes on the clock and throws three TD passes.:

All garbage time stats. You do remember garbage time? That's when DC racked up all his gawdy, good-for-nothing passer rating numbers.


And the strife in the Middle East is somehow Sage's fault, too. riiiiiiight. :ok:

No, that'd be DC's fault.

Double Barrel
10-30-2006, 10:51 AM
All garbage time stats. You do remember garbage time? That's when DC racked up all his gawdy, good-for-nothing passer rating numbers.

For the record, I have NEVER used the term "garbage time" to refer to any point during an NFL game. 35-3 back in '92 broke me from ever believing a game is tied up, and it's not over until 0:00 is on the game clock.

As far as Carr's stats in the fourth qtrs., you have to evaluate what he did and how he played in the first three qtrs. to truly come to a well-rounded conclusion. For instance, 30-3 in Indy, what did Carr do (or not do) earlier in the game to let it get away?

Carr - in spite of statistics - is not a consistent QB right now. He has only played one good complete game all year (against the Jaguars). What is up with that?

kingh99
10-30-2006, 11:14 AM
And Jessica Alba has a mole on her left ass cheek. Gross dog that one.

SurrealMcCoy
10-30-2006, 11:39 AM
And Jessica Alba has a mole on her left ass cheek. Gross dog that one.

That's precisely what I'm saying! DC is obviously not THE man for this franchise, but to read quotes like that is quite unbelievable.

Did you really just compare Sage Rosenfel's QB skills to being as beautiful as Jessica Alba? Does that mean Sage really is the next Joe Montana? And if he is, why did he make so many rookie mistakes and cost us the game yesterday?

Like I said, just applying the "Texans Message Board Collective QB Rating Parameters Logic" evenly would suggest Sage is no better than Carr.

Jay Cutler anyone?

kingh99
10-30-2006, 11:41 AM
That's precisely what I'm saying! DC is obviously not THE man for this franchise, but to read quotes like that is quite unbelievable.

Did you really just compare Sage Rosenfel's QB skills to being as beautiful as Jessica Alba? Does that mean Sage really is the next Joe Montana? And if he is, why did he make so many rookie mistakes and cost us the game yesterday?

Like I said, just applying the "Texans Message Board Collective QB Rating Parameters Logic" evenly would suggest Sage is no better than Carr.

Jay Cutler anyone?

Sage cost us the game? We wouldn't have been in the same area code if he didn't work his magic for a quarter and a half. and that toss to the back of the end zone was downright Montana-esque. I could get fired up behind that guy.

SurrealMcCoy
10-30-2006, 11:45 AM
Sage cost us the game? We wouldn't have been in the same area code if he didn't work his magic for a quarter and a half. and that toss to the back of the end zone was downright Montana-esque. I could get fired up behind that guy.


Great...another garbage time QB who racks up passing stats against prevent D. Just what we need...ZZZzzzzzzz

Forgot to add, the toss to the end zone would have been incomplete if not for a superhuman effort from AJ. Verdict = AJ bailed him out.

Napa Auto Parts
10-30-2006, 11:46 AM
You are Right David Carr had the game right were he wanted Kubiak Should be Fired:sarcasm: :crazy:

kingh99
10-30-2006, 11:48 AM
Great...another garbage time QB who racks up passing stats against prevent D. Just what we need...ZZZzzzzzzz

Forgot to add, the toss to the end zone would have been incomplete if not for a superhuman effort from AJ. Verdict = AJ bailed him out.

Garbage time? Too funny.

SurrealMcCoy
10-30-2006, 11:53 AM
Garbage time? Too funny.

Yes, garbage time. Just like when DC was racking up stupid garbage time numbers.

You have to apply the same rules to both players - sorry if that exposes "your boy" to the cold truth of his ineffectiveness.

Napa Auto Parts
10-30-2006, 11:55 AM
Yes Garbage time most of you forget the only Quarters that matter are the 1st and 2nd 3rd and 4th are considered garbage time by many homers i mean experts:yikes: :sarcasm:

Wharton
10-30-2006, 01:00 PM
Yes, garbage time. Just like when DC was racking up stupid garbage time numbers.

You have to apply the same rules to both players - sorry if that exposes "your boy" to the cold truth of his ineffectiveness.Ok, if its garbage time, name one player the Titans pulled out of the game. After all, some of the Colts defense took the 4th quarter off. So who took off for the Titans?

kingh99
10-30-2006, 01:25 PM
Yes, garbage time. Just like when DC was racking up stupid garbage time numbers.

You have to apply the same rules to both players - sorry if that exposes "your boy" to the cold truth of his ineffectiveness.

Carr needs to play on a vet team. He's going to be good where he's not called on to lead. This is indisputable. I never hear anyone on that team go out of the way to defend him. I love me some metaphors and David Carr is a 30 hour work week union electrician compared to Vince Young's back against the wall, gotta feed the kids back in the barrio, migrant worker. the union guy never knew what hit him.

Stampede
10-30-2006, 01:53 PM
..from Sage cost us this game. If he was even HALF the QB people on here think he is, then he would of won that game. Fact is, he lost it on his own - pure and simple.

1. His INT was ridiculous. He threw into double coverage and the ball was behind the receiver.

2. Poor clock management on his part lead to us not having enough time to engineer a final drive. Several times he let precious time slip off the clock - time which we could've used at the end of the game. Nice one Sage!

3. Most of his throws were behind the receiver requiring acrobatic catches and preventing them from gaining more YAC. Next time out those bad passes will result in INTs.

4. We can't count his TD's because they were in garbage time and the Thumbtacks were in Prevent D. The INT is still counted because it's part of the weight of evidence against him.

5. He is not performing to his cap hit. He is one the most expensive back up QBs in the league and needs to start performing according to his cap hit.

6. He didn't try to stretch the defense and when he did, the ball ended up in row Z!

7. His dinking and dunking us down the field ate up too much time, preventing us from going for the winning TD.

8. He's been in this league long enough to know better and the mistakes he made were like a rookie. Time for him to put up or shut up.

9. He just doesn't have "it". You could see his lack of leadership out there in the body language of his team mates. They just knew he couldn't get the job done.

10. He was locking on to Owen Daniels when other options were open - possibly for TDs. If he can't learn to look for other receivers then we need to bring in someone else.


I am glad DC got benched because he was truly awful. But let's not allow that to keep us from holding Sage to the same standards as the starting QB. The backup QB is always the most popular guy in town - until he becomes the starter.


PS - Next, I'll explain how Sage contributed to the punt return for a TD.

Is that you, Eli? :lightbulb:

El Tejano
10-30-2006, 02:27 PM
I made a thread talking about leadership and the fact that David looked like he may have earned it. I might have been wrong. We will see how he responds to this and how the team responds for him.

All I know is the line blocked alot better for Sage than they ever have for David. Also, Sage was able to feel backside pressure alot better than David ever has.

Sarg01
10-30-2006, 02:28 PM
Cut the guy a little slack here. Tough situation to go into a game significantly down when the other guy got all the reps with the first team.

Sage did much better than I expected. Could you argue that he didn't do enough to win the game? Sure. And Wali could have run for 200 yards instead of 118. Or anyone on punt coverage could have stopped Pacman. Or Carr could have not thrown into triple/quad coverage. Or AJ could have caught that INT rather than tipping it to the DB. Or Kubiak could have done anything other than call two Ron Dayne runs on the two-minute-warning posession. Or Weigert could have stopped VanDeBosch on a play or two. Or seventeen.

I'm not saying Rosenfels can touch Carr's ability - he can't. However, we shouldn't be throwing him under the bus just because some folks can't get over not drafting Young and his 7 completed passes and won't stop with their "destroy Carr" agenda.

SurrealMcCoy
10-31-2006, 06:04 AM
Cut the guy a little slack here. Could you argue that he didn't do enough to win the game? Sure. And Wali could have run for 200 yards instead of 118. Or anyone on punt coverage could have stopped Pacman. Or Carr could have not thrown into triple/quad coverage. Or AJ could have caught that INT rather than tipping it to the DB. Or Kubiak could have done anything other than call two Ron Dayne runs on the two-minute-warning posession. Or Weigert could have stopped VanDeBosch on a play or two. Or seventeen.

I'm not saying Rosenfels can touch Carr's ability - he can't. However, we shouldn't be throwing him under the bus just because some folks can't get over not drafting Young and his 7 completed passes and won't stop with their "destroy Carr" agenda.

I'm sorry, but Sage has been in the league just as long as David and arguably playing for better teams, with more talent around him. He needs to be held to the same standards as our current starting QB. If he's good enough to play, he's good enough to critique - critique by the same logic used with DC.

TexansFan99
10-31-2006, 07:44 AM
I'm sorry, but Sage has been in the league just as long as David and arguably playing for better teams, with more talent around him. He needs to be held to the same standards as our current starting QB. If he's good enough to play, he's good enough to critique - critique by the same logic used with DC.

So Sage who has been practicing with the backup players all season and brought us back from a 3-21 deficit, lost the game due to "no leadership and poor clock management" and need to be held to the same standard as DC who has been practicing with the starters all season and put us in the 3-21 deficit in the first place.....Am I the only one who think this is a "surreal" thread :brickwall

Kaiser Toro
10-31-2006, 07:48 AM
Am I the only one who think this is a "surreal" thread :brickwall

Yes, but I can't help but watch this train wreck. I have no idea where it is going and I really don't care. I call it the Gado effect due to the absurdity of it all.