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thunderkyss
10-27-2006, 09:56 AM
I don't think it's going to happen. I think we'll shock them in the first half, and the game will be over early in the third. We'll continue to be aggressive enough on offense to continue running the score up in the third, but Fisher & his Crew will be thinking of this as an educational experience early.

But this board has been a totally different place in the last week. We've been on a rollercoaster since the beggining of the season, Starting off with hope, and faith, and good will towards Kubiak and his coaches. After Philly, Indy, and Washington, we started looking for candidates for DC for next year.

After Miami & Dallas, we were looking for replacement Running backs, and after Jacksonville, there's been nothing but love for Lundy, Gado, & RichardSmith.

I understand the highs & lows are all part of being a fan, but the swings on this board have been so wild... it's crazy.

Knee Jerk??

That's putting it mildly.

But if we lose to Tennessee( I know we won't, but if we did), are we gonna want to see heads roll??

Vinny
10-27-2006, 09:58 AM
winning is tough in this league...so yeah, we may lose. It's just a game between two bottom dwelling teams right now...I don't think it has long term implications...if that is what you are getting at.

Kaiser Toro
10-27-2006, 10:08 AM
We will be 2-5 and therefore may be deleting or editing many flammable and derogatory posts.

I am not so much worried about if we lose, but would be more worried about how we lose. I do expect us to win.

mike moffat
10-27-2006, 10:09 AM
Shame on you for even bringing up the fact that we may lose. Get that nonsense out of your head NOW. We are on a winning roll. May some day be called a dynasty. But, if we do lose, you'll see the same old "fair weather" fans calling for heads to roll. This is a game that I think we will win. We should be able to run on these chumps which will open up the passing game. We also need to spank Mr. V.Young early and often.

thetexanator
10-27-2006, 10:17 AM
if we lose i wont know how to react, its never happened before.:spot:

thunderkyss
10-27-2006, 10:18 AM
you'll see the same old "fair weather" fans calling for heads to roll.

Thanks Mike, this is exactly what I'm talking about.

Vinny, I'm just talking about the MB, not real world stuff. I'm asking are we going to swing to the other side of the spectrum, and want to cut everyone but Dunta , David & AJ??

I think it's silly, and think the "fans" that do it are silly.

done88
10-27-2006, 10:19 AM
It could happen and if it does we prepare for next week. However I'm hoping we get to celebrate a little.

Blake
10-27-2006, 10:21 AM
We are in a tough spot here.

If we lose, everyone will start off on how we should have drafted Vince, and that Mario isnt helping us, because we got beat by a inferior team.

But if we win, its like, well they were supposed to win, so this win doesnt mean much.

So we dont gain anything from winning, but lose alot more if we lose.


*Why did a team that we have to play twice a year have to draft VY?!!*

Vinny
10-27-2006, 10:22 AM
Thanks Mike, this is exactly what I'm talking about.

Vinny, I'm just talking about the MB, not real world stuff. I'm asking are we going to swing to the other side of the spectrum, and want to cut everyone but Dunta , David & AJ??

I think it's silly, and think the "fans" that do it are silly.Message boards are always knee-jerk to some extent....the complainers in life are always louder than the patient folks...it's no different here....frankly, it's more exaggerated here because you can hide behind your keyboards. A football message board is like a rolling 'letter to the editor'. The negative generally outweighs the positive on a short term basis but long term we have good fans who are smart and grounded for the most part...it shows through long run methink.

TigerV1
10-27-2006, 10:25 AM
Thanks Mike, this is exactly what I'm talking about.

Vinny, I'm just talking about the MB, not real world stuff. I'm asking are we going to swing to the other side of the spectrum, and want to cut everyone but Dunta , David & AJ??

I think it's silly, and think the "fans" that do it are silly.

Speaking of "fans" I want Mario to dominate Vince just to see/hear what Mattress Mac has to say. Oh and winning would also be nice too. :redtowel:

Blake
10-27-2006, 10:29 AM
Speaking of "fans" I want Mario to dominate Vince just to see/hear what Mattress Mac has to say. Oh and winning would also be nice too. :redtowel:
This is exactly what I am talking about. If VY and the Titans win, Mac can go nuts talking about how dumb we are, and how we should have taken VY.

But if we win, he wont say anything about it, and that will be that.

So like I was saying, we stand to lose alot more by losing, than we would gain by winning.

TD
10-27-2006, 10:30 AM
Losing is a very real possibility. While we feel pretty good about the last few games, I would think the Titans do as well.

Basically its a battle of two moderately bad teams on the rise. If I were betting money, I'd have to go with Tennessee at home.

On the plus side, I'm starting Travis Henry on my FF team, so at least we know he'll have a lousy day.:)

Osso
10-27-2006, 10:37 AM
I asked my father one day a strange and difficult question....He looked at me and said..." what will you do?, if tomorrow you wake up and there is no sun "...then he walked away.

eriadoc
10-27-2006, 11:00 AM
Message boards are always knee-jerk to some extent....the complainers in life are always louder than the patient folks...it's no different here....frankly, it's more exaggerated here because you can hide behind your keyboards. A football message board is like a rolling 'letter to the editor'. The negative generally outweighs the positive on a short term basis but long term we have good fans who are smart and grounded for the most part...it shows through long run methink.

Kudos for the optimism, Vinny. :shades:

Personally, I think if we lose, it will be because we didn't show up on defense at all. The Titans have shown they can run the ball. We have to stop it. If we can force VY into beating us with his arm, we'll be fine.

Cjeremy635
10-27-2006, 11:05 AM
I would like to think we pull off a dominating victory this week, but anything can and has happened in games that "we should win" in the past. As far as your comment on how the board has changed in the last week or so, I think many people's reactions are based on the product that they are paying to see being put on the field. Many have said that they expected us to lose a game, but it's the fashion that we lose in that breaks fans down, repeatedly. Blow-outs kill the fan base and team moral. I think that many people were calling for Richard Smith's head at that point because he had the defense playing too cautious, where as now we are more aggressive and that makes a game more exciting to watch. As far as the running back goes, people were fed up with not being able to pick up a single yard consistently throughout a game when it was a must for us to score a TD or pick up a first down. People are happy that we got over 60 yards rushing in a game...not much of a goal, but compared to what we were doing I'm freakin' ecstatic! :tease:

infantrycak
10-27-2006, 11:12 AM
I would like to think we pull off a dominating victory this week, but anything can and has happened in games that "we should win" in the past.

The Titans are favored in this game.

RTP2110
10-27-2006, 11:18 AM
If we lose, we'll probably be staring 2-7 right in the face.

joedinkle
10-27-2006, 11:23 AM
Speaking of "fans" I want Mario to dominate Vince just to see/hear what Mattress Mac has to say. Oh and winning would also be nice too. :redtowel:

I've been living out of Houston for over a year. MM isn't a fan of MW?. that's funny.

thunderkyss
10-27-2006, 11:26 AM
I would like to think we pull off a dominating victory this week, but anything can and has happened in games that "we should win" in the past. As far as your comment on how the board has changed in the last week or so, I think many people's reactions are based on the product that they are paying to see being put on the field. Many have said that they expected us to lose a game, but it's the fashion that we lose in that breaks fans down, repeatedly. Blow-outs kill the fan base and team moral. I think that many people were calling for Richard Smith's head at that point because he had the defense playing too cautious, where as now we are more aggressive and that makes a game more exciting to watch. As far as the running back goes, people were fed up with not being able to pick up a single yard consistently throughout a game when it was a must for us to score a TD or pick up a first down. People are happy that we got over 60 yards rushing in a game...not much of a goal, but compared to what we were doing I'm freakin' ecstatic! :tease:

Still, I think they were being unrealistic. had we blitzed Peyton, or mcNabb(which we did, not as much as some would like, but we did) we may very well have given up 50 pts, and 600 yds.

We blitzed StL in the preseason, and gave up 300 yds... they thought their QBs looked so good, they showed us all 4 of them, including Ragone. We won that game, but they proved what they needed to prove.

We stayed home, and gave up less yards to Denver(usually on big plays), coming into the season it made sense to cautiously blitz(like we did in Philly) but after Philly, we definitely needed to work on our coverage, same with INdy. Watch the games, time the QB release. It's not that there wasn't any pressure, but that we couldn't cover for 2 seconds.

I agree we should've rushed Brunnells a lot more, I don't understand the thinking going into that game.

& our running game hasn't gotten any better. We looked the same through the first three Qtrs against a team weaker against the run than the teams we played previously. They even had key injuries to the heart of their run defense, and we still got stuffed. But we break off two big runs, and all of a sudden we have a running game??

El Tejano
10-27-2006, 11:30 AM
If we lose the Carr haters will all of a sudden come back to life.

I'm looking for a win.

Saying that we will come out and shock the Titans right away will be too much means you don't really know the nature of VY. He does like to come from behind sometimes.

I don't want to think about losing because winning comes from winning attitudes.

OrangeCountyTexansFan
10-27-2006, 11:41 AM
I asked my father one day a strange and difficult question....He looked at me and said..." what will you do?, if tomorrow you wake up and there is no sun "...then he walked away.
To which I would have responed: "Dad, WTH?"
But back to the situation of this thread, yeah your fairweather fans will complain if we lose. They love to give their fat, bloated opinions of failure and doom and probably hope we lose every week just so they'll have something to post about.
But I think we have the offensive and defensive weapons to pull out a win, even in Tennessee.

Double Barrel
10-27-2006, 11:57 AM
I still dislike Richard Smith and hope we find a legitimate DC for 2007.

I agree with KT. It's not so much losing, but how we do it.

Brazos-V
10-27-2006, 12:01 PM
It's good to see that you haven't lost your heads completely. Of course you're going to lose this game. The Titans will want to continue our winning ways. And the most important factor.....it's in TN.

Cjeremy635
10-27-2006, 12:02 PM
I know the Titans are favored to win the game....by three IIRC. Technically it becomes a wash due to the fact that home field usually gives you 3 points, so I see it as the team that shows up to play that day will win. I am just hoping that we hit a critical stage last week with the win against Jacksonville and our team will feel better about themselves and dare I say it.....get a little swagger to them. I know we are far from being a playoff contender, but at this stage I'll take a win from my granny's bingo team so our boys can learn what it feels like. People are breaking down last weeks win to such a point that it's making it seem like it was a gimme and it's anything but that. "Oh, they had such and such out or Byron played with a sore ankle". Please, they lost.....period. I don't see us going back to the three games we lost and saying, "well, I expected it. We were missing Wong, Faggins, Peek, our new LT, D. Davis, etc." We lost those games and we don't use those excuses.

phan1
10-27-2006, 12:29 PM
I would be hugely dissappointed. Maybe even more dissappointed than our loss to the Cowboys. Especially if the game is won by Vince Young. I just don't want to be hearing that crap for weeks on weeks.

TexansLucky13
10-27-2006, 12:33 PM
We won't

LBC_Justin
10-27-2006, 12:34 PM
As a fan I think we are going to win.

But I don't know how the Texans could possibly be favored on the road at this point in the season. Regardless of the team they are playing.

I loved what the Texans did last week, but lets be honest, when describing the Texans you may use a lot of words but..."Consistent" is not one of them.

the key to victory will be to play TWO solid halves of football.

If we lose, we always have next a revenge game later this season.

GO TEXANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thunderkyss
10-27-2006, 12:55 PM
As a fan I think we are going to win.

But I don't know how the Texans could possibly be favored on the road at this point in the season. Regardless of the team they are playing.

I loved what the Texans did last week, but lets be honest, when describing the Texans you may use a lot of words but..."Consistent" is not one of them.

the key to victory will be to play TWO solid halves of football.

If we lose, we always have next a revenge game later this season.

GO TEXANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LBC, thanks for the reply, but this isn't about whether we will win or lose on Sunday, but how you will respond if(knowing we won't, but if) we lose??

powerfuldragon
10-27-2006, 12:56 PM
I think it's possible we'll lose. So far, our defense hasn't shown me any signs that they're capable of dealing with a Quarterback as mobile as Young can be.

TexansLucky13
10-27-2006, 12:58 PM
I think it's possible we'll lose. So far, our defense hasn't shown me any signs that they're capable of dealing with a Quarterback as mobile as Young can be.

Word on the street is that Mr. Invincible had a little ankle trouble in practice this week. This could help.

Our defense can handle a QB with low accuracy, though. You gotta take the good with the bad, but I think the ball is in our court for this game.

TK_Gamer
10-27-2006, 01:04 PM
We are in a tough spot here.

If we lose, everyone will start off on how we should have drafted Vince, and that Mario isnt helping us, because we got beat by a inferior team.

But if we win, its like, well they were supposed to win, so this win doesnt mean much.
So we dont gain anything from winning, but lose alot more if we lose.


*Why did a team that we have to play twice a year have to draft VY?!!*

actually last time I checked everybody and their brother has the Titans by 4 to 7 so we are not the favorites, I really cant ever remember the Texans being the favorite. maybe someone can look that up. what they will say if we win though is that Tennesee lost and that they are having a rough season. I don't really care. If we win I will be happy, If we lose I will be dissappointed, but I'll get over it as long as we fight hard and dont hand it to them with stupid mistakes.

Charter PSL Fan
10-27-2006, 01:05 PM
This is exactly what I am talking about. If VY and the Titans win, Mac can go nuts talking about how dumb we are, and how we should have taken VY.

But if we win, he wont say anything about it, and that will be that.

So like I was saying, we stand to lose alot more by losing, than we would gain by winning.

I dont see Mattress Mac putting furniture on the line for this game. He is so sure that VY is the greatest one to put on a jockstrap it seems he would gamble away some free furniture. Texans 24-16.

hollywood_texan
10-27-2006, 01:14 PM
It's more likely the Texans will lose than win when you consider the first six games. For Carr, he is fortunate to have won two games thus far and have decent stats, so the expected loss will be tempered some what for him. A loss isn't going to be that big of an issue because of the two victories earlier, particularly the Jags victory.

However, the two Texans victories came at home against QBs that were banged up. Further, the defense held the opposing offenses to 3 and 7 points through 3 quarters of play in those victories. Meanwhile, the offense took it's time but scored points in the 4th quarter to bring about the victories. So, it's important to keep those 2 victories in context.

If the offense starts off slow, like they have done all year, I don't see how this game is going to even be close.

My reasoning is this. Tennessee's game plan is going to be pound the ball through the running game and take a lot of time off the clock. Meanwhile on defense, I think they will be very aggressive in stopping the run and blitzing Carr to bring about 3 and outs or very short drives. If Tennessee can do that on defense and get some long drives early on offense with TDs, the game could be out reach before the first half.

This game could get ugly by halftime. The best way to keep that from happening is the execute some long drives and score 17 points in the first half. I don't see how the Texans can win this game with only 7 or fewer points in the first half because the defense at some point is going to get worn down.

El Tejano
10-27-2006, 01:17 PM
The best way to keep that from happening is the execute some long drives

Ahhh he said execute!!!!!!!!!:brickwall :redtowel: :hunter:

powerfuldragon
10-27-2006, 01:24 PM
Word on the street is that Mr. Invincible had a little ankle trouble in practice this week. This could help.

Our defense can handle a QB with low accuracy, though. You gotta take the good with the bad, but I think the ball is in our court for this game.
I think that if vince even sneezes, our secondary will bite like a beartrap. I hope they prove me wrong.

whiskeyrbl
10-27-2006, 01:45 PM
I think it's possible we'll lose. So far, our defense hasn't shown me any signs that they're capable of dealing with a Quarterback as mobile as Young can be.

That might be because we have'nt faced a QB as mobile as VY. Mc Nabb would be close but not quite. I think the key to winning will be to ave. at least 3 yrds a carry, spreading the field on passing routes and disguising our D schemes well with about 15 - 20 blitzes in the game. I also think the special teams are gonna play a big part. I believe we pull out another win here,but if not...Learn from it and continue to improve. As a fan I think thats all you can ask the team to do,and hopefully the coaching staff and players will do it.

michaelm
10-27-2006, 01:51 PM
I don't think it's going to happen. I think we'll shock them in the first half, and the game will be over early in the third. We'll continue to be aggressive enough on offense to continue running the score up in the third, but Fisher & his Crew will be thinking of this as an educational experience early.

But this board has been a totally different place in the last week. We've been on a rollercoaster since the beggining of the season, Starting off with hope, and faith, and good will towards Kubiak and his coaches. After Philly, Indy, and Washington, we started looking for candidates for DC for next year.

After Miami & Dallas, we were looking for replacement Running backs, and after Jacksonville, there's been nothing but love for Lundy, Gado, & RichardSmith.

I understand the highs & lows are all part of being a fan, but the swings on this board have been so wild... it's crazy.

Knee Jerk??

That's putting it mildly.

But if we lose to Tennessee( I know we won't, but if we did), are we gonna want to see heads roll??

Seriously TK, this is one of the longest rhetorical questions I have ever seen. You've been around here a loooong time. You've got 4,400+ posts worth of experience in the field. You know exactly what will happen. You're just an optimist, and you'd like to believe that if we lose, things won't go down around here like you know they surely must...

Marcus
10-27-2006, 02:23 PM
If we lose . . .

. . . then that means Carr is not a leader anymore.

:rolleyes:

thunderkyss
10-27-2006, 02:25 PM
Seriously TK, this is one of the longest rhetorical questions I have ever seen. You've been around here a loooong time. You've got 4,400+ posts worth of experience in the field. You know exactly what will happen. You're just an optimist, and you'd like to believe that if we lose, things won't go down around here like you know they surely must...



If we lose . . .

. . . then that means Carr is not a leader anymore.

:rolleyes:


yup...

Blake
10-27-2006, 02:31 PM
Ahhh he said execute!!!!!!!!!:brickwall :redtowel: :hunter:

Pee Wee: YOU SAID THE MAGIC WORD!!!!! AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

;)

hollywood_texan
10-27-2006, 02:49 PM
The biggest key to this game isn't the defense, but the offense.

If the Texans offense doesn't show up the first 3 quarters (which is how they normally play) they probably won't need to play the 4th quarter. The defense will either be too worn down to get the ball back without allowing any points or the offense will have too big of a hole to dig out of.

The Texans offense still hasn't scored a point in the 3rd quarter!

The Texans are averaging points by quarter thru six games as follows:

1st - 3.4
2nd - 4.4
3rd - 0.0
4th - 12 (take out the 21 point from the Colts game and the average is 7.8 in the 4th quarter)

Keep in mind 4 of those games were at home. In the Texans two road games, the Texans didn't score a TD in a game that meant anything. Those three TDs against Indy really don't count, the game was way out of hand by then.

Winning on the road with rushing yards of 90 and throwing for 200 yards with short passes and only scoring 17 points makes for tough games to win unless you have an elite defense.

Bottom line, the defense has been much improved these last three games and the offense should be able to pick up more of the slack by scoring TDs through the entire game.

The Titans could have a huge day against the Texans by simply grinding the ball with the running game and keeping the Texans offense from getting anything started early, which isn't that hard to do from what we have seen the first six games.

PoolMaster21
10-27-2006, 02:51 PM
The Texans offense still hasn't scored a point in the 3rd quarter!



So if we score 28 points in the third quarter and get shut out otherwise, what will there be left to complain about?

:chicken:

HOU-TEX
10-27-2006, 02:52 PM
So if we score 28 points in the third quarter and get shut out otherwise, what will there be left to complain about?

:chicken:

The punter:hides:

opus74
10-27-2006, 03:00 PM
You'll be 2-5. Just like us.

hollywood_texan
10-27-2006, 03:07 PM
So if we score 28 points in the third quarter and get shut out otherwise, what will there be left to complain about?

:chicken:

Your a totally missing the point and/or trying to make some attempt at a joke. Very poor job, just like the offense through the first 3 quarters of play this year.

BTW, I am not complaining, those are the facts.

"YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"

NEROtheZERO
10-27-2006, 03:41 PM
I fully expect us to win but am prepared for a loss. I think it should be a great game. I am still sticking with a prediction of 6 wins and we have the Titans (twice), Jets, Brown, Bills, and Raiders ahead of us with the Bills, Titans, and Browns at home. It is not out of line to think that we split the series with the Titans and I don't think we lose to them at home so they could pull this one out.

To address your question, we end up at 2-5 and have to put up with a slew of end of the world and worst franchise in football posts, we should have drafted VY posts, and some moronic articles for a week or two.

Bongo59
10-27-2006, 03:49 PM
winning is tough in this league...so yeah, we may lose. It's just a game between two bottom dwelling teams right now...I don't think it has long term implications...if that is what you are getting at.
completely agree.............i think the bigger issue is how either team plays and performs.............if one team wins by a landslide i think it could be a bad sign for the loser.

Bongo59
10-27-2006, 03:52 PM
We are in a tough spot here.

If we lose, everyone will start off on how we should have drafted Vince, and that Mario isnt helping us, because we got beat by a inferior team.

But if we win, its like, well they were supposed to win, so this win doesnt mean much.

So we dont gain anything from winning, but lose alot more if we lose.


*Why did a team that we have to play twice a year have to draft VY?!!*
I dont see this at all...............MW and RBush will be tied together.............I think VY poses Carr a far bigger problem in houston............and Carr rep has been on fire everywhere the last 18 months already.............if VY develops into a stud Carr is doomed no matter.................Carr was drafted higher and been in the league alot longer than VY.................that is his own pressure and trust me word around your FO is he feels the heat this week already..........

The Pencil Neck
10-27-2006, 03:54 PM
I don't know what will happen. I don't think anything extreme is required if we lose this game.

The Titans have been playing well the past couple of weeks. We're 3-point underdogs. We put together a great game last week but we've been losing for a long time. We can't assume that we're going to win any games until we start putting wins together. We've got to start winning and then start being consistent about it.

At this point in the season, we've got 2 more wins than I thought we'd have. So even if we lose to the Titans, we're still ahead of where I thought we'd be.

hobie
10-27-2006, 03:58 PM
If they lose................. then they lose... sure it will suck, but so what. I like the Texans, but if they lose, they lose. It is a game, and even though we do not want them to lose, that is all it is, a game. Doesn't efect me or you for that matter other than it will just suck..

Just enjoy the game with family and friends, root for them, cuss at the bad plays, bad calls, cheer for the good ones, but remember, at the end of the day, win or lose, it's a game. Life will go on for us all !!

Double Barrel
10-27-2006, 04:15 PM
BTW, I am not complaining, those are the facts.

"YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"

Reality deprivation must be an invading virus around here. Disregard what the head coach says, because fans always know best.

Kubiak has stated THIS WEEK that the 48-0 stat in the 3rd qtrs. is a BIG CONCERN to the coaching staff, and it is his primary focus to overcome. The team consistently plays flat coming out of halftime. Why is that fact so hard to comprehend around here?

TexansSeminole
10-27-2006, 04:17 PM
Kubiak has stated THIS WEEK that the 48-0 stat in the 3rd qtrs. is a BIG CONCERN to the coaching staff, and it is his primary focus to overcome. The team consistently plays flat coming out of halftime. Why is that fact so hard to comprehend around here?

I dont see how it wouldn't be.

Snapple
10-27-2006, 04:22 PM
It's not a big deal if we lose. Both teams are rebuilding. Both teams are coming off wins. Titans in addition are coming off a bye and have homefield.

The Texans are not a lock to beat anyone. We CAN beat some teams, but just because we beat the Jags doesn't make us a lock.

Maybe we'll split with Tennessee this year. One win each. That would still show improvement over last year.

The Titans played the Colts better than we did, and they played the Redskins better than we did. It shouldn't be that surprising if we lose.

QB75
10-27-2006, 04:40 PM
I don't think it's going to happen. I think we'll shock them in the first half, and the game will be over early in the third. We'll continue to be aggressive enough on offense to continue running the score up in the third, but Fisher & his Crew will be thinking of this as an educational experience early.

But this board has been a totally different place in the last week. We've been on a rollercoaster since the beggining of the season, Starting off with hope, and faith, and good will towards Kubiak and his coaches. After Philly, Indy, and Washington, we started looking for candidates for DC for next year.

After Miami & Dallas, we were looking for replacement Running backs, and after Jacksonville, there's been nothing but love for Lundy, Gado, & RichardSmith.

I understand the highs & lows are all part of being a fan, but the swings on this board have been so wild... it's crazy.

Knee Jerk??

That's putting it mildly.

But if we lose to Tennessee( I know we won't, but if we did), are we gonna want to see heads roll??

Calm down. Vince Young can't win.

Sarg01
10-27-2006, 04:43 PM
But, if we do lose, you'll see the same old "fair weather" fans calling for heads to roll.

I generally like to think of myself as a "glass-half-full" type of person and I am pretty sure the Texans are better than the Titans (though being better doesn't guarantee a win) ... all that being said, I don't really think the fair-weather charge could stick to any current Texan fan.

Bongo59
10-27-2006, 04:49 PM
Calm down. Vince Young can't win.another USC fan..............

infantrycak
10-27-2006, 05:20 PM
The biggest key to this game isn't the defense, but the offense.

You have some valid points on the O but this was a poor intro. Defense just like offense is always a key to the game. The Texans have zero chance if they don't blunt the Titans running game--they will burn 40 minutes off the clock, tire the D and keep the O sidelined where it is exceedingly hard to put points up.

hollywood_texan
10-27-2006, 06:07 PM
You have some valid points on the O but this was a poor intro. Defense just like offense is always a key to the game. The Texans have zero chance if they don't blunt the Titans running game--they will burn 40 minutes off the clock, tire the D and keep the O sidelined where it is exceedingly hard to put points up.

infantrycak, we seem to be on opposite sides most of the time, but I think we have a lot in common but it's how we communicate where things get opposite.

My point was that the defense is playing okay right now and if they continue playing okay, the Texans have a shot if the offense can get a couple of TDs in the first half.

If the offense can only get 6 or so points in the first half. We are probably sunk because even though the defense is playing a lot better, they are a little limited due to talent.

However, the offense could start scoring a lot more points early in the game, which would make the defense's job a lot easier because they probably will be playing with the lead and they will probably be off the field most of the time becaue the Texans are not a high octane offense.

Long TD scoring drives for the Texans are great, because it puts points on the board and keeps the defense fresh and off the field. That is the biggest contribution the offense can do for the defense, and for the entire Texans organization and fans for that matter. They would put up some serious wins with that formula this year!

That is why I am putting the Titans game on the offense's shoulders. The offense needs to score some serious points in the entire game if they want to win, whereas the defense needs to play about the same or a little better.

infantrycak
10-27-2006, 06:30 PM
We probably do agree overall more than it seems but I just believe every game involves both O & D and you keep expressing all the burden on the O. The D showed up last week but for a little realism their giving up the opening drive TD in the 3rd qtr was what started the O-crapometer going on the sideline. Same as the O not playing 4 qtrs the D hasn't been either--they just about gave away the 3rd qtr against Jax and certainly gave up the 2nd half against Dallas and gave up the 4th qtr against Miami. It's a ying yang thing. Both need tons of improvement, can improve with the current personnel as seen by the pieces of games they play well and will help the other side if/when they do improve. The burden is on the whole team to win games.

hollywood_texan
10-27-2006, 06:53 PM
We probably do agree overall more than it seems but I just believe every game involves both O & D and you keep expressing all the burden on the O. The D showed up last week but for a little realism their giving up the opening drive TD in the 3rd qtr was what started the O-crapometer going on the sideline. Same as the O not playing 4 qtrs the D hasn't been either--they just about gave away the 3rd qtr against Jax and certainly gave up the 2nd half against Dallas and gave up the 4th qtr against Miami. It's a ying yang thing. Both need tons of improvement, can improve with the current personnel as seen by the pieces of games they play well and will help the other side if/when they do improve. The burden is on the whole team to win games.

In my opinion, I think we are about tapped out on the defense. I think they can play a little better but I don't think we can expect them to dominate and win a game.

However, I think the offense could play a lot better by scoring long sustaining TD drives early in the game, which in turn should make the defense's job easier.

It's a ying and yang thing like you said.

I just think we are going to get a lot more mileage out of the offense improving now than the defense. The defense is doing okay. Now the offense should step up. Then the Texans can be the complete package and start knocking off some real teams and have 4 or 5 game winning streak.

As I see it, the quickest way to victories right now is the offense scoring quality points early and throughout the game, with defense playing the way they have the last 3 games.

thunderkyss
10-27-2006, 06:55 PM
I generally like to think of myself as a "glass-half-full" type of person and I am pretty sure the Texans are better than the Titans (though being better doesn't guarantee a win) ... all that being said, I don't really think the fair-weather charge could stick to any current Texan fan.

We had people wanting to give away next years first for Michael Turner.....

We've wanted to bench our DBs, because our LBs couldn't contain a screen...

Some fans wanted to get rid of Kubiak after his 3rd game as HC.....

But this week....... everything is going exactly as those fans planned........


Yeah, I say we've got a few fairweather fans.

hollywood_texan
10-27-2006, 07:04 PM
We had people wanting to give away next years first for Michael Turner.....



Who is Michael Turner?

Never heard of him?

Is he related to Reggie Bush or Vince Young? I have heard of those guys...

Cgold
10-27-2006, 07:24 PM
The Texans will win.. Rookie QB's are rooke QB's... Look at Leinart..had a great game against the bears, everyone thought he was going to be amazing against the RAIDERS :yawn: and what happened they came out and ate him for lunch. You never know what your going to get with a rookie QB, but its usually not good..
I think the texans have more to play for, and they want it more.. The season is not over. They can make it a respectable year..
When the titans sent Volek away and benched Collins, they gave up on this year
They put VY in to learn this year and get better so they have a chance next year.. They have a better running game, but we DO have a better QB and offense overall.... and neither one of our defenses are exactly elite, but we have been playing better and making improvements..

TEXANS WIN!! :texans:

DontTreadOnMe
10-27-2006, 07:29 PM
we can lose this game... league parity will keep it somewhat close, the winner will be determined by the best kicker, mark it down!!

Texans: 27
Titans: 24

Andre will overwelm pacman...

bah007
10-27-2006, 07:29 PM
The Texans will win.. Rookie QB's are rooke QB's... Look at Leinart..had a great game against the bears, everyone thought he was going to be amazing against the RAIDERS :yawn: and what happened they came out and ate him for lunch. You never know what your going to get with a rookie QB, but its usually not good..
I think the texans have more to play for, and they want it more.. The season is not over. They can make it a respectable year..
When the titans sent Volek away and benched Collins, they gave up on this year
They put VY in to learn this year and get better so they have a chance next year.. They have a better running game, but we DO have a better QB and offense overall.... and neither one of our defenses are exactly elite, but we have been playing better and making improvements..

TEXANS WIN!! :texans:

You are wrong.

They didnt put in VY cuz they were giving up. He honestly gives them the best chance to win.

Volek apparently threw the team under the bus with some comment (thats what Fisher said). I wouldnt want that guy on my team if its true.

Think about it. Young has been in there longer than Collins has so its possible that he just knows more of the offense. And no matter what his QB rating is you cannot deny that team looks better with him than with Collins.

But you are right about the game. I dont see us losing.

Cgold
10-27-2006, 07:40 PM
Fisher also said that VY is atleast a couple years away from being a starter earlier in the year, but KC was so bad why not atleast let VY learn while they're losing..:D

Bongo59
10-27-2006, 07:43 PM
You are wrong.

They didnt put in VY cuz they were giving up. He honestly gives them the best chance to win.

Volek apparently threw the team under the bus with some comment (thats what Fisher said). I wouldnt want that guy on my team if its true.

Think about it. Young has been in there longer than Collins has so its possible that he just knows more of the offense. And no matter what his QB rating is you cannot deny that team looks better with him than with Collins.

But you are right about the game. I dont see us losing.
smart man...................just wait till you see vince all grown up.................

bah007
10-27-2006, 07:47 PM
smart man...................just wait till you vince grown up.................

I dont understand what that statement means

Herr Doktor
10-27-2006, 07:56 PM
I don't think it's going to happen. I think we'll shock them in the first half, and the game will be over early in the third. We'll continue to be aggressive enough on offense to continue running the score up in the third, but Fisher & his Crew will be thinking of this as an educational experience early.

But this board has been a totally different place in the last week. We've been on a rollercoaster since the beggining of the season, Starting off with hope, and faith, and good will towards Kubiak and his coaches. After Philly, Indy, and Washington, we started looking for candidates for DC for next year.

After Miami & Dallas, we were looking for replacement Running backs, and after Jacksonville, there's been nothing but love for Lundy, Gado, & RichardSmith.

I understand the highs & lows are all part of being a fan, but the swings on this board have been so wild... it's crazy.

Knee Jerk??

That's putting it mildly.

But if we lose to Tennessee( I know we won't, but if we did), are we gonna want to see heads roll??

You sound like what has happened over the years at Falcon Nation. Rollercoaster is the only term. I think once y'all establish a running game consistently, hit someone in the mouth early and often, and let David Carr do his thing, you will be fearsome. You remind me of the Falcons a few years ago, we'd have a great game then suck for a few weeks, then be world beaters again for a game or two. Kubiak will need some time, can't build a winner in the NFL in one season. It just can't happen. He'll build you an offense, and your D is fairly young. Wait for that to Gel. You have a bright future if they don't get crazy and start signing over priced FA's and having pitiful draft after pitiful draft. I think the mark of a good team is when you go into a draft, and 6 of your players stick----ON YOUR TEAM. WE used to kid at Falcon Nation that we were drafting for the Raiders every year. All our draft picks ended up cut by us and used by the Raiders..............

Bongo59
10-27-2006, 08:28 PM
I dont understand what that statement meansyou will soon.....................

thunderkyss
10-27-2006, 08:39 PM
You sound like what has happened over the years at Falcon Nation. Rollercoaster is the only term. I think once y'all establish a running game consistently, hit someone in the mouth early and often, and let David Carr do his thing, you will be fearsome. You remind me of the Falcons a few years ago, we'd have a great game then suck for a few weeks, then be world beaters again for a game or two. Kubiak will need some time, can't build a winner in the NFL in one season. It just can't happen. He'll build you an offense, and your D is fairly young. Wait for that to Gel. You have a bright future if they don't get crazy and start signing over priced FA's and having pitiful draft after pitiful draft. I think the mark of a good team is when you go into a draft, and 6 of your players stick----ON YOUR TEAM. WE used to kid at Falcon Nation that we were drafting for the Raiders every year. All our draft picks ended up cut by us and used by the Raiders..............

At the Falcon Nation, were you guys up & down & all over the place, or did you, for the most part, watch the team grow patiently??

I understand this is going to take time. Most of the people here do as well. We looked at our schedule three months ago, and for the most part, understood there was a good chance we'd be 0-6 at this point of our season.

But we lose to Philly, then Indy, then Washington........ just like we planned, and the world is coming to an end.

Doug
10-27-2006, 10:26 PM
I think this board is alot like the Texans.....You never know who is going to show up from one week to the next. LOL:redtowel:

michaelm
10-27-2006, 11:36 PM
I dont understand what that statement means


I don't either... but I got a buck that says it ends up as someone's sig...

Bongo59
10-27-2006, 11:42 PM
smart man...................just wait till you see vince all grown up.................is that better?

bah007
10-27-2006, 11:47 PM
is that better?

Now that makes more sense.

POWERBALL
10-27-2006, 11:59 PM
We Will Win!!!!!!period! We Have Improved On All Three Sides Of The Game.the Titans Are A Decent Team.but,we Are A Coming Team With Talent To Keep Improving And To Keep Up Our Momentum.i Think The Titans Will Play Good And Still Lose.we Are On Our Way Up.all Of The Vince Fans Need To Understand That We Are Getting Better Every Game On Defense And Our Offense Is Starting To Come Together Week By Week.i Think Our O-line Has Started To Get Better With Pass Protection And Our D Has Played Good.should Be A Good Game .texans Win By 9.26-17.i Hope So At Least.go Texans...

southtexan
10-28-2006, 01:21 AM
24-17 Texans, I'd love for the Texans to show some cojones while kicking some Titan butt.:texflag: texanpride

tsip
10-28-2006, 03:32 AM
We had people wanting to give away next years first for Michael Turner.....

We've wanted to bench our DBs, because our LBs couldn't contain a screen...

Some fans wanted to get rid of Kubiak after his 3rd game as HC.....

But this week....... everything is going exactly as those fans planned........


Yeah, I say we've got a few fairweather fans.

TK, be honest--does anyone change their opinion/stance more from week to week than you?

"I understand this is going to take time. Most of the people here do as well. We looked at our schedule three months ago, and for the most part, understood there was a good chance we'd be 0-6 at this point of our season."

...above quote is an example of you flip-flopping like you accuse others!! Were'nt you the one who 'preached' a record of 13-3? How does that equate into 6 losses from you?

cuppacoffee
10-28-2006, 11:43 AM
TK, be honest--does anyone change their opinion/stance more from week to week than you?

"I understand this is going to take time. Most of the people here do as well. We looked at our schedule three months ago, and for the most part, understood there was a good chance we'd be 0-6 at this point of our season."

...above quote is an example of you flip-flopping like you accuse others!! Were'nt you the one who 'preached' a record of 13-3? How does that equate into 6 losses from you?

TK is OK.

Need to cut TK some slack..:cool:

Consider

He lives in Port Arthur..

Breathes in toxic fumes from chemical plants and oil refineries..:yikes:

Drinks the Port Arthur water.

Hasn't recovered from Hurricane Rita.

And his local high school team is named the Titans.

Enough to confuse anyone.:D

Just kidding TK

:coffee:

thunderkyss
10-28-2006, 11:50 AM
TK, be honest--does anyone change their opinion/stance more from week to week than you?

"I understand this is going to take time. Most of the people here do as well. We looked at our schedule three months ago, and for the most part, understood there was a good chance we'd be 0-6 at this point of our season."

...above quote is an example of you flip-flopping like you accuse others!! Were'nt you the one who 'preached' a record of 13-3? How does that equate into 6 losses from you?

That's part of my point. I haven't flip-flopped on 13-3....... I still thought we'd go 13-3 if our offense didn't give up the ball in back to back possesions, then our secial teams did the same. Now, I'm thinking 12-4........ not because I lost faith in the team, but because I understand the math.

Heck, in my mind the second half of the Cowboy game doesn't even count, so we won it 6-3.

& while I'm very optomistic about our season, I would have more reason to be upset at this point in our season at 2-4, but I'm not upset at all. The guys who thought we would be 0-6 at this point are the ones who've come unglued.

thunderkyss
10-28-2006, 11:54 AM
TK is OK.

Need to cut TK some slack..

Consider

He lives in Port Arthur..

Breathes in toxic fumes from chemical plants and oil refineries..:yikes:

Drinks the Port Arthur water.

Hasn't recovered from Hurricane Rita.

And his local high school team is named the Titans.

Enough to confuse anyone.:D

Just kidding TK

:coffee:


Do you mean Water isn't supposed to glow?? :shots:

Speedy
10-28-2006, 11:56 AM
Speaking of "fans" I want Mario to dominate Vince just to see/hear what Mattress Mac has to say. Oh and winning would also be nice too. :redtowel:What, no Texans win it's free guarantee from Mac this week? What a douche.

threetoedpete
10-28-2006, 05:06 PM
We will be 2-5 and therefore may be deleting or editing many flammable and derogatory posts.

I am not so much worried about if we lose, but would be more worried about how we lose. I do expect us to win.

We lose we get closer to the Calvin Johnson prize. Don't think we'll take him, but it'd be nice to hear the offers. Don't think we'll lose this one. Will say 5 of 6 six on the road is rough in any league. This should be a "gimme" for us over that period. One of the few. The opposite of this thought, and I ain't banging a ten win winning streak drum, but with Jacksonville dinged up I'm on the hope band wagon again. Gotta a shot at four in a row now. Won't that be a franchise first ? All depends on how long the grey beard's legs hold out. They lose Salaam, the season's down the tolliet. All are wecome to argue over on the draft threads.

axman40
10-28-2006, 06:39 PM
If we lose ? I will be leaving The Saxon Pub one angry man! You do not want to see me angry!

:redtowel:

joedinkle
10-28-2006, 10:53 PM
Now, I'm thinking 12-4........ not because I lost faith in the team, but because I understand the math.

I'm a fan even when we lose, but do you think we can beat the Giants? No sarcasm, a serious question.

AMMOTITAN
10-28-2006, 11:04 PM
Madness I tell you, Madness....did someone actually POST 12-4?? omfg! Do they give crack away FREE in Houston?

SBTexans08
10-28-2006, 11:20 PM
Madness I tell you, Madness....did someone actually POST 12-4?? omfg! Do they give crack away FREE in Houston?

I'm beginning to wonder myself....http://www.xgpgaming.com/forums/images/smilies/wtf.gif

axman40
10-28-2006, 11:37 PM
Madness I tell you, Madness....did someone actually POST 12-4?? omfg! Do they give crack away FREE in Houston?
I heard David Chappelle took all the FREE crack!

:yikes:

thunderkyss
10-28-2006, 11:42 PM
I'm a fan even when we lose, but do you think we can beat the Giants? No sarcasm, a serious question.

I don't think the Giants are the toughest team we'll face. They are really on the ropes. Dallas gave them that game, & made them look a lot better than they really are.

TikiBarber is great, can't deny that..... I don't know what the deal is in NYG, but something ain't right. They are on a high right now, but it'll come crashing down soon.


Madness I tell you, Madness....did someone actually POST 12-4?? omfg! Do they give crack away FREE in Houston?

I'm not in Houston.

tsip
10-29-2006, 01:57 AM
"Heck, in my mind the second half of the Cowboy game doesn't even count, so we won it 6-3."

...sad, and kinda scary--being optimistic,IMO, is one thing but being unrealistic is another---kinda like a kid that brings home an 'F' on their report card but its OK because it 'doesn't even count and really should be an A,' yikesssssssssssssssssssssssss

AMMOTITAN
10-29-2006, 08:16 AM
"Heck, in my mind the second half of the Cowboy game doesn't even count, so we won it 6-3."

...sad, and kinda scary--being optimistic,IMO, is one thing but being unrealistic is another---kinda like a kid that brings home an 'F' on their report card but its OK because it 'doesn't even count and really should be an A,' yikesssssssssssssssssssssssss

LOL....don't feel bad, we got some fans over at gotitans.com that are the same way!

bigbrewster2000
10-29-2006, 08:30 AM
Still, I think they were being unrealistic. had we blitzed Peyton, or mcNabb(which we did, not as much as some would like, but we did) we may very well have given up 50 pts, and 600 yds.

We blitzed StL in the preseason, and gave up 300 yds... they thought their QBs looked so good, they showed us all 4 of them, including Ragone. We won that game, but they proved what they needed to prove.

We stayed home, and gave up less yards to Denver(usually on big plays), coming into the season it made sense to cautiously blitz(like we did in Philly) but after Philly, we definitely needed to work on our coverage, same with INdy. Watch the games, time the QB release. It's not that there wasn't any pressure, but that we couldn't cover for 2 seconds.

I agree we should've rushed Brunnells a lot more, I don't understand the thinking going into that game.

& our running game hasn't gotten any better. We looked the same through the first three Qtrs against a team weaker against the run than the teams we played previously. They even had key injuries to the heart of their run defense, and we still got stuffed. But we break off two big runs, and all of a sudden we have a running game??
Do you purposely contradict yourself? In this thread we have no running game, in the Titans thread it's "we are gonna run all over your defense" GET OFF THE FENCE!!!!

mapleleaf
10-29-2006, 08:56 AM
Okay, the Titans defense is the most laughable in the NFL. Besides, the '06 titans are just like the '05 Texans, with the exception to VY.

AMMOTITAN
10-29-2006, 09:11 AM
Okay, the Titans defense is the most laughable in the NFL. Besides, the '06 titans are just like the '05 Texans, with the exception to VY.


So where does the Texans OVERALL defense rank? If were laughable...they yours is like eddie murphy on speed.

seveneventer
10-29-2006, 11:56 AM
Seriously...why you would anyone even post a thread asking what if we lose? Give me a break:( Yeah, this is what I want to read right before I get ready to watch the game....uh ok....but thanks so much for bringing it up...Go Texans!:texan:

Texan1
10-29-2006, 12:05 PM
winning is tough in this league...so yeah, we may lose. It's just a game between two bottom dwelling teams right now...I don't think it has long term implications...if that is what you are getting at.

Yes Vinny is right- a loss won't make too much of a difference. But a win would be AWESOME for Kubes and this team.

thunderkyss
10-29-2006, 12:36 PM
"Heck, in my mind the second half of the Cowboy game doesn't even count, so we won it 6-3."

...sad, and kinda scary--being optimistic,IMO, is one thing but being unrealistic is another---kinda like a kid that brings home an 'F' on their report card but its OK because it 'doesn't even count and really should be an A,' yikesssssssssssssssssssssssss

So you think David will continue to throw INTs in back to back possessions.... I don't. I think that was an anamoly, & won't happen again. I have faith in David.

Do you purposely contradict yourself? In this thread we have no running game, in the Titans thread it's "we are gonna run all over your defense" GET OFF THE FENCE!!!!

no contradiction, The titans possess the worst run defense we will see all year.

giovanni338
10-29-2006, 01:47 PM
Can we score, we were so close on that other drive,touchdown tennessee.wow we sucked there

giovanni338
10-29-2006, 01:50 PM
HOPE WE CAN SCORE SOON......GO TEXANS....Can we score, we were so close on that other drive,touchdown tennessee.wow we sucked there

giovanni338
10-29-2006, 01:52 PM
[DID ANYONE SEE THAT RUN......HELLO:redtowel:

giovanni338
10-29-2006, 01:53 PM
Wow That Was A Close Call..sacked But A Flag

giovanni338
10-29-2006, 01:54 PM
Come On Texans Fans Where Are You

giovanni338
10-29-2006, 01:55 PM
We Should Win Game,we Have A Better Record? What Do You Think?

giovanni338
10-29-2006, 01:56 PM
First Down......to Dainiels....

giovanni338
10-29-2006, 01:58 PM
7 Yard Gain On That Run.carr Couldnt Find Anyone

giovanni338
10-29-2006, 01:58 PM
What Kind Of Sack Was That.......

giovanni338
10-29-2006, 01:59 PM
Flag Hold ???? Yes Yes

AMMOTITAN
10-29-2006, 03:29 PM
Okay, the Titans defense is the most laughable in the NFL. Besides, the '06 titans are just like the '05 Texans, with the exception to VY.

So the Titan D has 5 turnovers......a TD, bout 3 SACKS, and so far only gave up one TD.....still laughable?

Wolf
10-29-2006, 03:31 PM
according to some.. all is well as long as mario gets a sack on VY

AMMOTITAN
10-29-2006, 03:38 PM
LOL....are you serious? Young could throw 3 INT and I wouldnt care as long as we win

Wolf
10-29-2006, 03:41 PM
LOL....are you serious? Young could throw 3 INT and I wouldnt care as long as we win


there was a thread about mario has to get a sack

alphajoker
10-29-2006, 04:17 PM
Seriously...why would you start a thread like this? Bad karma man.

thunderkyss
10-29-2006, 04:33 PM
Seriously...why would you start a thread like this? Bad karma man.

Maybe so....... my bad.

But this place is going to get crazy.

We are fair weather fans....

I've got to go find a way to spin that into a positive.

Scott D
10-29-2006, 04:36 PM
I don't think it's going to happen. I think we'll shock them in the first half, and the game will be over early in the third. We'll continue to be aggressive enough on offense to continue running the score up in the third, but Fisher & his Crew will be thinking of this as an educational experience early.

But this board has been a totally different place in the last week. We've been on a rollercoaster since the beggining of the season, Starting off with hope, and faith, and good will towards Kubiak and his coaches. After Philly, Indy, and Washington, we started looking for candidates for DC for next year.

After Miami & Dallas, we were looking for replacement Running backs, and after Jacksonville, there's been nothing but love for Lundy, Gado, & RichardSmith.

I understand the highs & lows are all part of being a fan, but the swings on this board have been so wild... it's crazy.

Knee Jerk??

That's putting it mildly.

But if we lose to Tennessee( I know we won't, but if we did), are we gonna want to see heads roll??


SORRY! But you lose and so did the Texans.

QB75
10-31-2006, 09:42 AM
another USC fan..............

Another VY worshipper.