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Bongo59
10-25-2006, 11:11 AM
1. TEXANS O ON TITANS D...............

The play of Carr and AJ are bright spots for the Texans. AJ has taken the z WR spot in the base Denver D and has responded top it well. Carr is getting rid of the ball quicker and being productive on roll outs but this has limited his opportunites in the vertical game. The Texans OL while statistically better still is sorely lacking talent. Eric Moulds is a very good WR and an upgrade to gaffney but his deep speed is now gone. His physical play however has to be accounted for. The Texan running game showed up for the first time last week but all yr long it has been an extremey poor producer for this offense. Much bl;ame goes to injuries of DD but this is also where the OL has faltered. The Texans plan last week of using the pass game to set up the run was smart but one has to question why it took so long to go that route. AJ will be matched up with AJones the Titans best cover CB. He has played better this yr and has done a good job against most top WR with the exception of TGlenn. Moulds will draw Hill another mismatch but the Texan OL does not match up well with the Titans DL. The Titans have always put heat on Carr and I expect the secondary to get help from a good rush. Chris Hope is playing at a probowl level and he wiull effectively help the run game but will limit the seems to Daniel LT will roll coverage to AJ most likely and he is at best below avg. The biggest weakness on the Titans D is Sirmon and LT...............with the Texan running game the MLB may not get exposed but i think the Texans will go after Hill and LT. I expect big plays from the Texan pass game and not much else.

2. Titans O on the Texan D..............on the surface one would assume the Titans plan would be to run right at the Texans front 7. I think the Titans will look at tape and see the Texans pass D is very poor due to bad S play and below avg CB play. The Titans have not faced one pass D worse than that of the Texans. VY has made plays in the pass game when given the chance but he really has not been given the keys to O yet. I expect this week he will be. I think they will pass to set up the run by moving VY out of the pocket and put great stress on the Texan S. If the texans commit the S to the box or blitz off the edge they could be hurt by cut backs or VY on the edge. My bet is Kubiak plays it safe and has Ryans watch VY. I dont think the Texans have the horses to stop the Titans run game and I think the Titans have great matchups at WR and TE. The only question is will Chow let VY throw it? The strength of the Titans O has been the play of the OL since Stewart and Bell formed the new combo atLG and RT. Mike Roos has played elite DE already and played extremely well. The Texans DE have not made plays and this is a matchup that strongly favors the Titans. I expect alot of big plays from the passing game. TH and LW will be very healthy for this game and so will the WR core and TE. Givens returns for this game.

3. Coaching.......................Kubiak runs the Denver system and this system has been successful against the Titan D since 2000. I expect him to use Carr on boots and roll outs but the Titans OLB are both elite and may limit Kubiak to going to Moulds and AJ more than usual. I think Kubiak would love to run it 40 times because this is a weak spot for the Fish D but I dont think he has the horses to expose Sirmon. I think Kubiak has Fishes number and I expect his wrinkles in the pass game to work well..................bu tI dont see anythink more than 80 yds on the ground at home against this Titan D The Titans DL has played quite well of late, and will give Kubiak fits ................but I fully expect Carr to be outside the pocket a ton this week to by him th etime he needs to go after LT and Hill............... Fisher knows what this game means to his QB and owner and he has has told VY he will be able to use the fuill playbook this week to attack this team. The bye week was very helpful in stallation plans for VY. VY came back early for this game plan and it has been in since Sunday.

4. ST........................The advantage here is again to the Titans. Mathis is out and Ajones and Bobby Wade are healthy. The Texans know first hand what AJones can do based upon last yrs games. Bironas has played lights out since getting to Nashville and Brown is a good FG kicker but his KO have been short for two yrs..................field position will be key.................Stanley must directional punt while Hentrich is amongst the best directiuonal punters in the league...............weather calls for cold temps and wind................I expect ST to play a roll in this out come................

SBTexans08
10-25-2006, 11:28 AM
nice preview....very nice!

thunderkyss
10-25-2006, 11:29 AM
hm........ if I didn't know any better, I'd think this was written by a Tack fan.

thunderkyss
10-25-2006, 11:30 AM
& for all we know pacMan may end up spending Sunday in a holding cell somewhere.

SBTexans08
10-25-2006, 11:32 AM
hm........ if I didn't know any better, I'd think this was written by a Tack fan.

truth is, it's unbias. Give your argument...

bah007
10-25-2006, 11:38 AM
This looks pretty unbiased to me.

I'm not as high as he is on the Titans D, but they did hold the Colts to 14.

NEROtheZERO
10-25-2006, 11:43 AM
I think it's a shootout. I think we score our highest points total in this game.

Texans_Chick
10-25-2006, 12:03 PM
Pretty fair.

Stanley is not going to directional punt because it doesn't play to his strengths, and it is not something that Marciano believes is a high percentage thing for them to do. (don't have a link for that, but heard him say that in a radio interview).

His strength is tall punts that allow the coverage to get in place downfield and either get a fair catch or an immediate tackle.

FootballOutsiders has the Texans listed 11th for special teams and the Tacks as 21st. Link (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff.php)

The Texans and the Titans are both teams that have been improving as they learn their systems more.

Personally, I think the key to the game is whether the Texans can take their show on the road. Traditionally they have been a poor road team, and in the regular season so far, they've showed that. They did look better on the road in the preseason so it is a question of whether Kubiak can get them playing clean (in Kubiak's words minimizing turnovers and penalties) on the road.

The Texans have been one of the least penalized teams in the league so far this season. Link. (http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/OFF-TOTAL/2006/regular?sort_col_1=13&_1:col_1=14&_1:col_2=13)

real
10-25-2006, 12:10 PM
4. ST........................The advantage here is again to the Titans. Mathis is out and Ajones and Bobby Wade are healthy. The Texans know first hand what AJones can do based upon last yrs games. Bironas has played lights out since getting to Nashville and Brown is a good FG kicker but his KO have been short for two yrs..................field position will be key.................Stanley must directional punt while Hentrich is amongst the best directiuonal punters in the league...............weather calls for cold temps and wind................I expect ST to play a roll in this out come................

This is the only part I have a problem with....There is more to special teams than return men....Our special teams have been pretty good this year IMO....

thunderkyss
10-25-2006, 12:17 PM
truth is, it's unbias. Give your argument...

First off..... what evidence do we have that Moulds has lost a step?? Because he is older now than he used to be?? He doesn't look slow to me. I know he still gave us Moulds in our favor, but the guys hasn't slowed down.

Secondly their RunD is worse than Indy's, I think our focus will be on the running game. Look for a big play early, similar to the one we used early in the Washington Game, set up on two solid runs. They know what a tough running game can do to a teams chance to win. Add an early lead (like we've managed to get on a somewhat consistant basis), then you can forget getting pressure on the QB all together.

Hopefully Kubiak sees that we've been pretty successfull running on the edges, it might make more sense to throw a couple of pitches to the RB early in the game to keep pressure off David Carr, instead of going with the short passing game that everyone is expecting.

Again, point #2 sites our poorly ranked pass defense, when Pt#1 didn't mention their poorly ranked rushing defense. & our DBs have not been tested yet.

The Defensive backfield Tennessee will see has only been fielded once, against the Jags, and were barely tested. So we don't know what's going to go on back there.... that might be the strongest part of our D for all we know.

Coaching........ It's Kubiak vs Fisher now, I don't know how that will go, but I'll give Fisher the edge because of experience.

And special teams going to the Titans?? Based on what?? We've had an excellent return game, and excellent return coverage....... K.Brown has only missed one field goal so far.

bah007
10-25-2006, 12:22 PM
First off..... what evidence do we have that Moulds has lost a step?? Because he is older now than he used to be?? He doesn't look slow to me. I know he still gave us Moulds in our favor, but the guys hasn't slowed down.

Secondly their RunD is worse than Indy's, I think our focus will be on the running game. Look for a big play early, similar to the one we used early in the Washington Game, set up on two solid runs. They know what a tough running game can do to a teams chance to win. Add an early lead (like we've managed to get on a somewhat consistant basis), then you can forget getting pressure on the QB all together.

Hopefully Kubiak sees that we've been pretty successfull running on the edges, it might make more sense to throw a couple of pitches to the RB early in the game to keep pressure off David Carr, instead of going with the short passing game that everyone is expecting.

Again, point #2 sites our poorly ranked pass defense, when Pt#1 didn't mention their poorly ranked rushing defense. & our DBs have not been tested yet.

The Defensive backfield Tennessee will see has only been fielded once, against the Jags, and were barely tested. So we don't know what's going to go on back there.... that might be the strongest part of our D for all we know.

Coaching........ It's Kubiak vs Fisher now, I don't know how that will go, but I'll give Fisher the edge because of experience.

And special teams going to the Titans?? Based on what?? We've had an excellent return game, and excellent return coverage....... K.Brown has only missed one field goal so far.

The Titans run D looks pretty decent to me. The only reason they give up so many yds is because they are always behind & their opponent is running the clock.

If someone could find a stat for yds per carry given up by each team it would be more helpful.

TexansLucky13
10-25-2006, 12:40 PM
truth is, it's unbias. Give your argument...

There is no such thing as a non-bias argument.

SBTexans08
10-25-2006, 12:48 PM
There is no such thing as a non-bias argument.

I never said the original poster made a non-bias argument. It was neither non-bias nor was it an argument. It was his personal preview...a non-bias one, I thought. Someone countering would then bring their argument to the table if they happen to disagree on whatever accounts.

infantrycak
10-25-2006, 12:54 PM
The Titans run D looks pretty decent to me. The only reason they give up so many yds is because they are always behind & their opponent is running the clock.

If someone could find a stat for yds per carry given up by each team it would be more helpful.

The Titans are giving up 4.7 ypc so far this season--the Texans 4.6 ypc.

Only once this season (based on a single qtr of football against Jax) have the Texans gained more than their opponents average.

Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry
10-25-2006, 12:58 PM
The Titans run D looks pretty decent to me. The only reason they give up so many yds is because they are always behind & their opponent is running the clock.

If someone could find a stat for yds per carry given up by each team it would be more helpful.

Sorry dont know the ypc numbers but can add this to the mix. Washington never tested the Tack Def. line with a rushing game C. Portis only had 14 carries in the game Betts and a handfull (cant recall #) at the time Tacks had the 32nd ranks rushing def. Lots of fall out in redskins country on this game Gibbs taking lots of heat right now and alot of it started because of the loss to Tenn.

bah007
10-25-2006, 12:59 PM
The Titans are giving up 4.7 ypc so far this season--the Texans 4.6 ypc.

Only once this season (based on a single qtr of football against Jax) have the Texans gained more than their opponents average.

This is a good stat.

Rushing Defense is a misleading stat for teams with really bad records because they are always behind & the opponent is running the clock.

Just like Passing Offense is misleading for teams like the Raiders because they must constantly pass because they are always behind.

In those cases, it is better to have yds per carry or yds per pass attempt.

If the Titans are giving up 4.7 yds per carry then it doesnt sound like they do well against the run, and thus it doesnt matter that they are always playing from behind.

aj.
10-25-2006, 01:14 PM
Personally, I think the key to the game is whether the Texans can take their show on the road. Traditionally they have been a poor road team,.[/URL]

Traditionally they've been a poor team, period.

Going into this season, the Texans were 10-22 at home and 8-24 on the road.

They went 4-4 on the road in 2004 which is something they've never done at home...until maybe this year.

And as we all know, their first two road games this year were disasters....actually five quarters were disasters and three quarters were okay.

But I'm not so sure that tradition has anything to do with this team. They seem to be breaking new ground this year - for better and worse. It's tough to win on the road in the NFL even if you're a 'good' team.

StrongArm08
10-25-2006, 01:30 PM
I think he has a good point about using Ryans to spy Young. The Titans will almost certainly try to get VY moving out of the pocket on the designed runs that have been fairly successful for them so far. Ryans is playing lights out and we know he has the speed in pursuit to run VY down and lay some wood on him.

A few times of getting pounded in the open field might make him more hesitant to take off and instead try to sit longer in the pocket to make his reads.

He's a young QB and he is going to make those crucial rookie mistakes that all of them do. One or two of those will be bad throws that can be picked off or he could get careless carrying the ball. I think our Defensive focus should be containing VY to the inside and force him to make mistakes.....but if they start running us over with Travis Henry then we're in trouble. Advantage Titans.

......my two cents

Bongo59
10-25-2006, 01:58 PM
i dont see the Texans being able to do too much on the ground because they dont have the RB do it.................The difference is the Titans do have the RB to get 4.7 a carry and a QB who can gash you too..............The texans strength is the WR and pass game and the Titans have a weak half of secandary with Hill and LT.................I think Carr has to get time but I dont see the Titans giving him time.............IF DD was healthy I would strongly favor the Texans here in TN...........and for a sweep really................The X factor is here is how the Texans defend VY. As for the arguements here on ST..............The titans Have playmakers on ST and Texans playmakers are hurt..................regardless of stats............AJones has done damage to the Texans last yr. He is quite capable of doing it again. I have no problem debating this.............I posted this here to stimulate discussion on the matchup

thunderkyss
10-25-2006, 02:03 PM
The Titans are giving up 4.7 ypc so far this season--the Texans 4.6 ypc.

Only once this season (based on a single qtr of football against Jax) have the Texans gained more than their opponents average.

So far this season, Washington has given up 3.8 ypc. Against Washington, we avg'd 3.4 ypc........ I can understand if you don't like the argument, but if you take out David Carr's 3 carries for 3 yards, and SamkonGado's 1 carry for 0 yards, Ron Dayne avg'd 4.1 ypc against the 'skins.

Bongo59
10-25-2006, 02:12 PM
skins also dominated the first half against the Titans and CPortis had two TD's and we were done 14-3 in FedEx................and we came right back and gashed the Skins on the ground and via the air............infact VY 3rd and 4th down throws were the difference in that game..............the whole second half we pounded the ball at them and they could do nothing to stop it.................I dont see the Texans stopping us either...........the OL has really played very well lately and they have a clear identity and are very physical.

whiskeyrbl
10-25-2006, 02:21 PM
I agree on some things and disagree on some. I agree that the Titans run game is pretty good, however so was the Jags and we held them to our season low of 102 yrds. I think this was in part to the return of 3 sorely missed players on our D. Haven,t seen much of the Titans ST play but for the Texans I think Sheppard has done a good job in returns and our coverages have been good when we kick. As far as the receivers Givens could give us trouble,depending on how rusty he is. Our secondary has looked weak for the most part this year,but did show improvement last week.
Our DE position has not been stacking up the sacks however the pressures and hurries are there. If Vy decides to run alot he may be in trouble because I agree Dwreck will be in spy mode most of the day. Ilook for alot of pressure coming around the ends from Peek, Mario,and Kalu forcing the plays inside where we have vastly improved with the addition of Dalton,TJ's play improving, Weaver has been steady, and the return of Wong.
As far as Pac Man expect him to get burnt by AJ acouple of times. However I expect Owen Daniels to play a big roll this week. Houston scores all time high this week and soundly beats the Titans 41-20, showing this team is turning the corner.

Bongo59
10-25-2006, 02:37 PM
I see AJ getting a 125 and two TD's..............Daniel will catch a number of balls but he wont beat Bulluck or Thortnton deep...............both OLB are the best two OLB against the pass in the AFC.............The only reason the Jags were limited run wise is they were behind and after Fragile Fred fumble they had to throw all day and they had only one WR to throw to and the Texans doubled him all day....................the Jags have no TE weapons as Wrighster is a journeyman and Lewis is a green rook and we all know Brady is an OT with a TE number.....................Lefty had a bad ankle and Jones was out.................JDR played right into the Texans plan and you guys put them away...................but I saw the game...........Fragile Freddy T and the midget UCLA RB did have room.............FT was 16 for 84 yds............and lefty was horrendous.............we both know that

Brazos-V
10-25-2006, 02:48 PM
The big question for this game is will VY handle the pressure the Texans throw at him. And I believe that will be a yes. He handled it well on the road in Indy and Washington.

Titans 31 - Texans 10

I think the Chronicle next week will start posting stories about how VY should have been the draft pick. IMO.

Texans_Chick
10-25-2006, 02:49 PM
i dont see the Texans being able to do too much on the ground because they dont have the RB do it.................The difference is the Titans do have the RB to get 4.7 a carry and a QB who can gash you too..............The texans strength is the WR and pass game and the Titans have a weak half of secandary with Hill and LT.................I think Carr has to get time but I dont see the Titans giving him time.............IF DD was healthy I would strongly favor the Texans here in TN...........and for a sweep really................The X factor is here is how the Texans defend VY. As for the arguements here on ST..............The titans Have playmakers on ST and Texans playmakers are hurt..................regardless of stats............AJones has done damage to the Texans last yr. He is quite capable of doing it again. I have no problem debating this.............I posted this here to stimulate discussion on the matchup

Carr doesn't need as much time this year. Short passes, nice completion percentages lots of yards after the catch.

In previous years, he didn't have so many places to throw. He has been getting rid of the ball fairly quickly, which is one of the reasons behind the improving Texans pass protection.

Check out these stats on AJ/Moulds: Football Outsiders link (http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr.php)


I think the keys to the game is just plain ol turnovers and whether the Texans defense can even be halfway competent against the run. I'm not sold on that yet. Dolphins can't run and they gave up with the run against the Texans, Cowboys killed the Texans run defense in the second half (but after tons of turnovers), pretty good relatively speaking against the Jags.

Texans defense has to play disciplined this game, and I'm not sure that they will. Your X factor.

Texans X factor is whether the Texans can run against a team that has an ungood run defense. If the Texans can establish any sort of run game, that unlocks the play action game and stops killing drives.

whiskeyrbl
10-25-2006, 02:50 PM
I see AJ getting a 125 and two TD's..............Daniel will catch a number of balls but he wont beat Bulluck or Thortnton deep...............both OLB are the best two OLB against the pass in the AFC.............The only reason the Jags were limited run wise is they were behind and after Fragile Fred fumble they had to throw all day and they had only one WR to throw to and the Texans doubled him all day....................the Jags have no TE weapons as Wrighster is a journeyman and Lewis is a green rook and we all know Brady is an OT with a TE number.....................Lefty had a bad ankle and Jones was out.................JDR played right into the Texans plan and you guys put them away...................but I saw the game...........Fragile Freddy T and the midget UCLA RB did have room.............FT was 16 for 84 yds............and lefty was horrendous.............we both know that

Are you sure you watched the game. They had more rushing yards in the second half. With the exception of 1 run by Taylor they would have been held to 70 yards. They ran the ball 25 times. The Texans ran 33 times. And as far as injuries Jesus, every team has players out or playing hurt so I would call that argument a wash. And the Texans didn't double Williams or Wilford all day. Just face it the Texans whooped their @zz all day on both sides of the ball. And yeah Lefty was having a bad day but I would say 70 % of the time he was under pressure and throwing before he wanted to,thats just solid D. So go ahead and start getting your excuses ready for this Sundays game, I can't wait to hear them.

Texans_Chick
10-25-2006, 02:58 PM
I see AJ getting a 125 and two TD's..............Daniel will catch a number of balls but he wont beat Bulluck or Thortnton deep...............both OLB are the best two OLB against the pass in the AFC.............The only reason the Jags were limited run wise is they were behind and after Fragile Fred fumble they had to throw all day and they had only one WR to throw to and the Texans doubled him all day....................the Jags have no TE weapons as Wrighster is a journeyman and Lewis is a green rook and we all know Brady is an OT with a TE number.....................Lefty had a bad ankle and Jones was out.................JDR played right into the Texans plan and you guys put them away...................but I saw the game...........Fragile Freddy T and the midget UCLA RB did have room.............FT was 16 for 84 yds............and lefty was horrendous.............we both know that

"Midget UCLA RB" didn't have a good day running. The first half JAX running was non-great. Texans kept JAX off the field a lot with long drives. If the Texans get any sort of running game to go with the passing, that's the key part of the game.

Bongo59
10-25-2006, 02:59 PM
i dont believe in excuses.................I believe the tape shows all...........MJD had 8 carries total. FT had 16 for 84..............that is over 5 a pop. I dont think the Texans D played great, but I do think the Jags were as bad as I have seen them since 2003. I think Lundy had a great second half but most of his yds came on one run......................them missing Mike Peterson is a big reason why they are in trouble. And Stroud was out too.

HOU-TEX
10-25-2006, 03:03 PM
i dont believe in excuses.................I believe the tape shows all...........MJD had 8 carries total. FT had 16 for 84..............that is over 5 a pop. I dont think the Texans D played great, but I do think the Jags were as bad as I have seen them since 2003. I think Lundy had a great second half but most of his yds came on one run......................them missing Mike Peterson is a big reason why they are in trouble. And Stroud was out too.

There were two runs. One for 27 and one for 29.

michaelm
10-25-2006, 03:03 PM
...I think Carr has to get time but I dont see the Titans giving him time...


I don't see the Titans getting any more pressure than Philly, Indy, Miami or Jacksonville (injuries or not), maybe not even more than Washington.

thunderkyss
10-25-2006, 03:04 PM
I see AJ getting a 125 and two TD's..............Daniel will catch a number of balls but he wont beat Bulluck or Thortnton deep...............both OLB are the best two OLB against the pass in the AFC.............The only reason the Jags were limited run wise is they were behind and after Fragile Fred fumble they had to throw all day and they had only one WR to throw to and the Texans doubled him all day....................the Jags have no TE weapons as Wrighster is a journeyman and Lewis is a green rook and we all know Brady is an OT with a TE number.....................Lefty had a bad ankle and Jones was out.................JDR played right into the Texans plan and you guys put them away...................but I saw the game...........Fragile Freddy T and the midget UCLA RB did have room.............FT was 16 for 84 yds............and lefty was horrendous.............we both know that

If you saw the game, then you know the jags didn't have to go to "throw all day " mode until the 4th Qtr....... the game was 10-7 Houston until then.

There was definitely running room, but that was last week, this team is changing so much, that you can't really go by last week. Miami, Dallas(first half), and Jacksonville, we've been doing very well on defense, allowing 2.5 points per Qtr........ I'm throwing out the second half of the Dallas game, hoping that we've learned our lesson, that should never happen again.

The point is that we're getting better as a team, and it's going to be difficult for you to predict how you're going to do against us.

The same goes for us, but if you're giving us AJ @125 & 2 TDs against your best cover corner, then you've already given us the game.

THenry might have the ability to put up 120+ yard running game, but I don't think we will allow it. & without that in your run game, neither you or I, or anybody else have any idea how your passing game is going to be.

Texans_Chick
10-25-2006, 03:06 PM
i dont believe in excuses.................I believe the tape shows all...........MJD had 8 carries total. FT had 16 for 84..............that is over 5 a pop. I dont think the Texans D played great, but I do think the Jags were as bad as I have seen them since 2003. I think Lundy had a great second half but most of his yds came on one run......................them missing Mike Peterson is a big reason why they are in trouble. And Stroud was out too.

They were out a bunch in the Jets game, and we know how that turned out.

Lundy had 2 good runs.

Texans D played adequate, as opposed to horrific like in the early games.

A lot of that has to do with the Texans holding on to the ball on offense and not repeatedly giving up short fields. Having good TOP, and getting third downs.

That's why the X factor is the Texans running game. If they can do the first half TOP without much of a running game or play action, imagine what it would be like if they could run it consistently.

Texans_Chick
10-25-2006, 03:07 PM
I don't see the Titans getting any more pressure than Philly, Indy, Miami or Jacksonville (injuries or not), maybe not even more than Washington.

Indy defense is not all that. But the Texans got down so fast in that game, Indy could pin their ears back.

real
10-25-2006, 03:08 PM
. I think Lundy had a great second half but most of his yds came on one run......................them missing Mike Peterson is a big reason why they are in trouble. And Stroud was out too.

Signed,
ESPN

HOU-TEX
10-25-2006, 03:16 PM
They were out a bunch in the Jets game, and we know how that turned out.

Lundy had 2 good runs.

Texans D played adequate, as opposed to horrific like in the early games.

A lot of that has to do with the Texans holding on to the ball on offense and not repeatedly giving up short fields. Having good TOP, and getting third downs.

That's why the X factor is the Texans running game. If they can do the first half TOP without much of a running game or play action, imagine what it would be like if they could run it consistently.

I agree. I'll also add, winning the turnover battle. I believe winning the TO battle and winning the battle in the trenches will win the Texans some football games. Much like any other team if the Oline can hold thier blocks in order to give DC time, he will pick the titans apart. Especially with the receiving weapons we now have. Our running game relies on our play in the trenches as well providing our RBs can find the cutback lane.:)

StrongArm08
10-25-2006, 03:37 PM
I agree. I'll also add, winning the turnover battle. I believe winning the TO battle and winning the battle in the trenches will win the Texans some football games. Much like any other team if the Oline can hold thier blocks in order to give DC time, he will pick the titans apart. Especially with the receiving weapons we now have. Our running game relies on our play in the trenches as well providing our RBs can find the cutback lane.:)



Turnovers are key. They killed the Jag's momentum and gave us a chance to close the deal. Our D has seen how well they can play together, now they have to challenge themselves to be consistent. If they can contain Vince Young and keep him in the pocket, or make him take off up the middle instead of on the outside, then it will make him think too much and he'll turn the ball over.

On offense Carr is playing with more confidence now than I've ever seen. If the O line can keep him standing, which they've been doing a lot better lately, then he will go after the Titan's secondary and probably have a big day.

If we have to use the pass to set up the run then so be it....it does work. The Eagles have won 4 conference titals and been to a Super Bowl doing it. Lundy has enough quickness that he can find space as long as the field is spread out....where we've gone wrong is try to force the inside lanes too much. Our O-line just isn't fluid enough right now to open holes fast enough, or keep them open long enough, for our backs to squeeze through. We should try to exploit the edges more and let our big receivers get involved in the blocking on the outside. That will soften up the middle if we want to grind it out.

......my 2 cents

Titan "Tack" Fan
10-25-2006, 04:17 PM
I had a dream the Titans win 44-7. I just wanted to put that on here so just in case it happens (which it won't) ... That'd be weird if it did.

Realistically?
Titans 24
Texans 13

run-david-run
10-25-2006, 04:30 PM
I think the DE are going to be concerned with containing VY, decreasing our pass rush ala the Eagles game with McNabb. Obviously McNabb gashed us with his arm, but not his legs. Obviously McNabb and VY arnt in the same league throwing, so if we make him beat us with his arm, we have a good shot defensivley.

I think its also very hard to judge our D accuratley. Are we the 28th ranked unit or the one who gave up 7 points last week? How much impact will the return of Faggins and Wong have on the D? Also, how much will the rookies improve from week to week? I think it is fair to assume we will be better defensivley then our season stats indicate. Maybe not 7 points and 125 pass yards allowed, but significantly better then 450 yards.

run-david-run
10-25-2006, 04:32 PM
I had a dream the Titans win 44-7. I just wanted to put that on here so just in case it happens (which it won't) ... That'd be weird if it did.

Realistically?
Titans 24
Texans 13

So we put 27 on the Jags D and 13 on the Titans? I think you should look up the meaning of "realistically"?

doughboy
10-25-2006, 04:46 PM
As far as Pac Man expect him to get burnt by AJ acouple of times. However I expect Owen Daniels to play a big roll this week. .

Im not expecting Many yards From AJ going agianst Pacman,he has shutdown every reciver this year the most yards gained on him was 55 by keenean mcardell.As far as owen daniels He will be going up agianst one of the best safteys this year in chris hope.

P.S please do not mistake Pacman For reynaldo hill.

PoolMaster21
10-25-2006, 05:56 PM
Turnovers are key.

Ditto. Houston and Tennesse are both -4 on the season - if Houston comes out on the plus side next Sunday I think they have an excellent chance of winning.

Titan "Tack" Fan
10-25-2006, 07:00 PM
So we put 27 on the Jags D and 13 on the Titans? I think you should look up the meaning of "realistically"?

When we hold the Colts to 0 points in the first half and 14 points total, yeah, it's realistic.

run-david-run
10-25-2006, 07:20 PM
Im not expecting Many yards From AJ going agianst Pacman,he has shutdown every reciver this year the most yards gained on him was 55 by keenean mcardell.As far as owen daniels He will be going up agianst one of the best safteys this year in chris hope.

P.S please do not mistake Pacman For reynaldo hill.

If AJ can get 100 on Mathis/Williams and 100 on Shepard/Brown, he can get 100 on Hill/Pacman. As much as we like to talk about CB vs WR, CB's for the most part play a side of the field, not a WR. AJ's TD agains the Jags was on Williams because he lined up on the left. His 30 yard catch and run in the first quarter was on Mathis because he lined up on the right. Unless the Titans decided to play PacMan on AJ exclusivley (which would leave Moulds on Hill :yikes: ), there will be a mix of who is covering which receiver.

run-david-run
10-25-2006, 07:25 PM
When we hold the Colts to 0 points in the first half and 14 points total, yeah, it's realistic.
That was mostly on Manning, he was terrible in the first half, despite the fact they were averaging well over 5 a carry. The Titans D gave up 30 to the Jets, so lets not pretend we're dealing with the 85 Bears. Ultimately I think this game is going to be decided by the run. We showed in the 4th quarter what we can do when we get the running game going by putting up 17 points. Turnovers certanly will help, but in general we have done a decent job of protecting the ball. Basically, run to win.

Roughnecks
10-25-2006, 07:28 PM
The thing I keep hearing is how bad our secondary is well news flash we have both out starting CB back and yes it will make a diffrence because you do not have any wideouts that stand out. Plus when did VY turn in to Warren Moon, or Steve McNair he hasn't. Do not get me wrong I think VY will be a good QB in the future and I am not a VY fan being that I am a Aggie and can not stand anybody who has played at Texas I still feel he has the talent to play in the NFL but not right at this moment.

Bongo59
10-25-2006, 07:33 PM
i find it interesting how you guys down Drew Bennett when he has history with you and has killed you many times...............I guess you forget......and Givens only has a few SB rings for his work in NE................and the rest of our guys are very talented...........their numbers are down because for 4 games they had Collins the human TO machine in...............and since VY has been in we have took the air out fo the ball...................and yes your secondary is bad not for just your CB but because your S play is atrocious...............and I was being kind about it.

Lucky
10-25-2006, 07:34 PM
Personally, I think the key to the game is whether the Texans can take their show on the road. Traditionally they have been a poor road team, and in the regular season so far, they've showed that.
That's true. But the Titans are no juggernaut at home, either. 5-13 over the past 3 seasons at the stadium formerly known as Adelphia. Once a tough place to play, now just a place to get a road win. In fact, the Titans last home win was last season in a 13-10 nail-biter over the Texans. We all remember how that ended (Kris shanked for :mario:).

Obviously, Bongo's analysis is correct in that AJ and Moulds versus the Titans corners is the Texans' biggest advantage on offense. What I'm not so sure about is the Texans inability to run the ball against Tennessee. First, I'm not sold on the Titans front against the run. Robaire Smith for Haynesworth was not an upgrade. The Titans are weak at MLB. Yes, the Texans were able to run on a Jags defense missing Stroud & Peterson. But I just checked the Titans roster and Stroud & Peterson won't be suiting up this Sunday, either.

Secondly, doesn't it make sense that the Texans running game was more productive with Lundy, rather than Dayne or Gado? It was Lundy who ran behind this line in mini camps, training camp, and the preseason. He had the reps in this offense with this line. I'm not a believer in Dayne, but I think Gado can be a complimentary RB in this offense. But, it's going to take time. The kind of time Lundy has already put on the practice field. My main concern with Lundy is fumbling. He fumbled in camp, he fumbled in preseason, he fumbled at Indy. That has to stop.

The key to stopping the Titans offense is simple. Stop the run & force the pass. Vince Young is the least accurate starting QB in the NFL. Worse than Andrew Walter. Worse than Tampa Bay's rookie 6th rounder Bruce Gradkowski. Worse than even Ron Mexico...I mean Michael Vick. The more Vince flings, the better off the Texans will be. Of course, stopping the run is easier said than done. We'll see if an additional week of work for Kailee Wong, Anthony Maddox, and Lionel Dalton can make a difference. I would also like to see Mario dominate the Titans RT, David Stewart.

run-david-run
10-25-2006, 07:42 PM
Also, everyone says our secondary is terrible (and if you watched the game against Indy, I can see how you came to that conclusion), but the last 3 weeks havnt been to bad. Yes, we gave up 3 TD's to TO, but two were jump balls and one was garbage time against 2nd string. With Simmons and Faggins back, we looked really good. I know stats are missleading, but we only gave up 2 completions to WR's last week, 2! If the game comes down to VY and Drew Bennet beating us, I'll take my chances with Drob and Faggins.

Bongo59
10-25-2006, 07:43 PM
stewart is a stud.............Mario is in for a long long day..............and my point is that every one in TX and TN think we are gonna come out and run it right down your throat..............I am telling you that is not going to be the plan...............laugh but watch the game unfold. VY will kill the Texan secondary with our so called bad WR's. Our DL is physical and atheletic and matches up very well with Houstons line and scheme..............Lundy will have no ability outside with Bulluck and Thortnton there.............aand Hope has been a tackling machine..............Sirmon and LT is who the Texans have to attack.............both are interior.............the Texans have shown no ability for 4 yrs to line up and run it down your throat.............we did it to Indy and Washington on the road...............and they knew it was coming and could do nothing to stop it. VY has done very little running..............but he has made big plays passing on third and fourth down and on two point conversions..................

run-david-run
10-25-2006, 07:49 PM
I'll take my Pro-Bowl receivers against Reynaldo Hill. You are going to have to drop 2 safties deep to stop AJ and Emo. That leaves 7 to stop the run. Against Dallas, we couldnt run against the front 7, we scored 6 points. Against the Jags we did run, we scored 27. That I think will decide the game.

Lucky
10-25-2006, 07:54 PM
VY will kill the Texan secondary with our so called bad WR's.
Young is the worst passer in the league. He's not killing anybody. Not right now. Not with his arm, anyway.

I look at all the great things you say about the Titans. Then I look at their record. Something's just not right.

run-david-run
10-25-2006, 08:02 PM
Young is the worst passer in the league. He's not killing anybody. Not right now. Not with his arm, anyway.

I look at all the great things you say about the Titans. Then I look at their record. Something's just not right.

Hey, he might complete 50% of his passes this week, dont make him madd! The first game he started they lost misserably. The next two they had close to 200 yards a game rushing. Travis Henry went off for 178 on the Skins and 120 on the Colts. Stop the rushing game and that will stop the Titans, give us good field position and prevent many long drives.

AMMOTITAN
10-25-2006, 08:11 PM
Wow...keep thinking young is the "worse" passer in the league. I will admit he needs to work on his deep ball accuracy, but he has made some good plays with his arm as well. I would not be suprised to see him ATTEMPT to tear up the Texans secondary. It would be nice, but wont be needed with Henry running it down the throat!

Bongo59
10-25-2006, 08:13 PM
I'll take my Pro-Bowl receivers against Reynaldo Hill. You are going to have to drop 2 safties deep to stop AJ and Emo. That leaves 7 to stop the run. Against Dallas, we couldnt run against the front 7, we scored 6 points. Against the Jags we did run, we scored 27. That I think will decide the game.doubt it..............Ajones will go one on one and Hill will get help from LT..............that is how they play it.............unless they go cover 3 or cover 4................

Bongo59
10-25-2006, 08:14 PM
Young is the worst passer in the league. He's not killing anybody. Not right now. Not with his arm, anyway.

I look at all the great things you say about the Titans. Then I look at their record. Something's just not right.
Collins was..................6 Ints.............in 3.5 games.

Carr Bombed
10-25-2006, 08:14 PM
stewart is a stud.............Mario is in for a long long day..............and my point is that every one in TX and TN think we are gonna come out and run it right down your throat..............I am telling you that is not going to be the plan...............laugh but watch the game unfold. VY will kill the Texan secondary with our so called bad WR's. Our DL is physical and atheletic and matches up very well with Houstons line and scheme..............Lundy will have no ability outside with Bulluck and Thortnton there.............aand Hope has been a tackling machine..............Sirmon and LT is who the Texans have to attack.............both are interior.............the Texans have shown no ability for 4 yrs to line up and run it down your throat.............we did it to Indy and Washington on the road...............and they knew it was coming and could do nothing to stop it. VY has done very little running..............but he has made big plays passing on third and fourth down and on two point conversions..................

1. Your WRs aren't even in the same league as ours (nice job signing a #2 wr for #1 money.

2. You have no idea what our secondary is going to do (neither do we) we just got players back that have been injured all year, so far so good.

3. Stop bragging about how much tackles Hope has and how he is a "tackling machine" Show me a SS that has a ton of tackles and I'll show you a team that gives up big plays. Hope is on pace to have like 120 tackles, that is absolutely horrible and just shows you how easily teams get to your second level.

AMMOTITAN
10-25-2006, 08:16 PM
True statements there bud. Hope is still a stud....

Bongo59
10-25-2006, 08:18 PM
horrible is defined by a Houston Texans Safety................pick any one since they came into the league...............they have not gotten one in their existance. We'll see how bad the Titans D is..............

Carr Bombed
10-25-2006, 08:28 PM
horrible is defined by a Houston Texans Safety................pick any one since they came into the league...............they have not gotten one in their existance. We'll see how bad the Titans D is..............

We don't need great safety play to beat your team

Yall are

last in comp %
(we are first)

28th in yards per game

and 30th in passing TDs

yalls passing game, isn't that great or scary.

Bongo59
10-25-2006, 08:38 PM
your on the record now..................so will see how it unfolds.

Texans_Chick
10-25-2006, 08:39 PM
Personally, I think anyone who says that they know what who is going to do to whom in this game is full of it.

The Titans and Texans are both inconsistent, flawed teams. Both are trying to learn what they are doing more and more each week.

Generally speaking a match up between two inconsistent flawed teams will result in the home team winning more often than not.

run-david-run
10-25-2006, 09:27 PM
doubt it..............Ajones will go one on one and Hill will get help from LT..............that is how they play it.............unless they go cover 3 or cover 4................

Well, I would love to see AJ and PacMan one on one, should be a great battle because unlike last year, we trust AJ to make plays even when he is covered and Carr throws his way at least 10 times a game. Cant wait! :redtowel:

StrongArm08
10-25-2006, 11:09 PM
doubt it..............Ajones will go one on one and Hill will get help from LT..............that is how they play it.............unless they go cover 3 or cover 4................

I hope AJones goes one on one. He won't be able to shut down AJ one one one. I'll take that bet every time. AJ will get hot and the Titans secondary will have to roll to him to shut him down just like every other team tries to do. That leaves Moulds freed up for some big plays.

I think you're putting too much stock in the Titan's secondary against our passing game if you're betting on one on one coverage.

bah007
10-25-2006, 11:33 PM
Pac Man is a real good cover corner when he is on the field & not in prison.

That said, AJ still made Rashean Mathis look like a fool on some plays & that guy is pretty good

Roughnecks
10-26-2006, 01:03 AM
You might be right about our S not being good but the difference is that your team was here in Houston for ever before they called Tenn home. We have not been in the league that long we have work to do but give us a few more years and teams are not going to want to play us that being said Tenn. is on the up as well, takes a long time to recover from the cap problems, I see us and Tenn fighting for the division before long and then the war of words will be on so good luck and for the record I do not hate the Titans I hate Bud Adams he's a snake who will bite the fans of Tenn. before it is all said and done. Oh by the way we still have more CHAMPIONSHIPS than you all, like it or not.

OzzO
10-26-2006, 09:40 AM
BWAHAHAHAHAH. John Mc. found a family photo...
http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/adamsfam.jpg
Back row: Titans GM Floyd Reese, Titans owner Bud Adams and QB Vince Young. Front row: Titans players Pacman Jones, Lamont Thompson, head coach Jeff Fisher and coordinator Jim Schwartz.

...It'll be interesting to see Young going against Mario Williams and DeMeco Ryans. I'll bet you right now that Ryans gets to Young more than Williams. If the Texans can win a few more games, Ryan will be a strong candidate for defensive rookie of the year. Some middle linebackers chase down plays in the secondary or sideline to sideline. Ryans makes plays behind the line of scrimmage, too. He shoots the gap and becomes disruptive. Sometimes he doesn't make the tackle, but he's the one who disrupts the play and allows someone else to make the tackle. Just ask Williams....

Johnny Mac's blog (http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2006/10/check_out_baylor_vy_the_texans.html)

dat_boy_yec
10-26-2006, 02:11 PM
Speaking of match-ups and whatnot, I see our safeties getting bashed alot, but I think Simmons earned a starting spot last weekend. Finally a real FS. I think his impact on the game has been underrated, but with him at FS and either Earl or Brown at SS we got a solid looking safety unit. Also Maddux showed he was a capable, DT and get this we're activating another veteran DT this week. Dunno how much impact he'll have, but he's familiar with our D-line coach so I'm guessing he'll have a positive impact. The Texans are underdogs this weekend, but we're not gonna loose.

real
10-26-2006, 02:15 PM
... but I think Simmons earned a starting spot last weekend. Finally a real FS. I think his impact on the game has been underrated, but with him at FS and either Earl or Brown at SS we got a solid looking safety unit.

NFL.com says He started at SS...

thunderkyss
10-26-2006, 02:17 PM
NFL.com says He started at SS...

on some plays he was SS, and on some he was FS.

dat_boy_yec
10-26-2006, 02:59 PM
Whatever, he brings an added dimension to our secondary. Side's how can you not like the only guy that has an Int for us this yr.

real
10-26-2006, 03:19 PM
Whatever, he brings an added dimension to our secondary. Side's how can you not like the only guy that has an Int for us this yr.

I never said I didn't like him...

dat_boy_yec
10-26-2006, 06:31 PM
I never said I didn't like him...

Neither did I. I just made a general statement after my point. Or are you feeling guilty about it.:cool: J/K.

dantem
10-27-2006, 09:25 AM
From the original post it looks like we are doomed with all the pro bowl level and elite players we will be facing this week...

kubs-elway
10-27-2006, 09:40 AM
You guys give the titans wayyyyyyyyyyyy to much credit. I have knowledge that all of you guys lack. I watched the broncos for the last 10 ten years and know who they match up well against fisher and the titans regardless of players. Shanny and Kubs owned the titans. Kubs will have them so screwed up, carr will be play action right and left, which will open up the run. I believe the texans will put up 28 points. When you defend against VY you sit in a 2 deep with emphasis on the tight end, which is the only route he understands besides the fly pattern. You dont rush him either, you make him think, which is dangerous because he wont be working for NASA after the nfl. The texan D doesnt win the game, the offense having time of possesion and no turnovers will win the game.

thunderkyss
10-27-2006, 09:43 AM
You guys give the titans wayyyyyyyyyyyy to much credit.

Nah, it's the Titan fans who give them too much credit, and the VY fans that give them a chance.

Most of us think they are right there with Arizona & Oakland as the worst team in the league.

aj.
10-27-2006, 01:10 PM
I have knowledge that all of you guys lack. I watched the broncos for the last 10 ten years and know who they match up well against fisher and the titans regardless of players. Shanny and Kubs owned the titans.

Well then I guess you know that "Shanny and Kubs" have played the Titans/Oilers only once in the last 10 years.

That meeting was on a sub-freezing night in Nashville on Christmas 2004 when the Broncos were playing for a wild card spot which they eventually won, and the Titans were playing out the string during a terrible 5-11 season.

The Titans were missing six starters on defense because of injury that evening. Steve McNair didn't play and Antowain Smith was their starting RB.

http://nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20041225_DEN@TEN

Yes, "Shanny and Kubs" dominated the Titans on that cold night. What that has to do with Sunday's clash between the Titans and Texans is beyond me. I look forward to being enlightened by your knowledge.

Meloy
10-27-2006, 02:09 PM
Defense: Both tackles clog middle to stop run. Mario & other DE pressure Young who will release or hand off quickly or run to opposite side. Demeco mirrors Young causing additional pressure. Both Greenwood & Orr flow to middle to help against run or cover TE. Allow Dunta to go one on one. Free safety helps our off corner. Strong safety covers the middle field for short passes that get past the line backers as I think there will a lot of "Young runs from the gasp of the defensive line and pulls defense in and dumps pass downfield for 6-8 yards." In my opinion, we have to focus on the short yards and encourage VY to gamble with a longer pass that our corners should be able to defend.

Offense: Passes to Johnson & Moulds should increase with decent ground yardage from RB and also Carr. We may see a much more mobile Carr this game. He may choose to show that VY ain't the only QB that can run. I also expect some yardage in the air by the back and maybe an occasional draw play. If it is not a blow out by Houston, I expect the Texans to put it away in 4th quarter with a score by a tight end. My 2 cents.

kubs-elway
10-27-2006, 02:09 PM
It was twice in the last ten years including 4 preseason matchups, with the starters playing 3 quarters. Now to explain what that has to do with the texans-titans game. The system, playcalling, and gameplan will be the exact same thing. As mentioned in previous post the titans linebackers are some of the slowest in the game, they are horrible against zone blocking with lack of side to side speed. Also they struggle if there is one good reciever, to take care of the tight ends, they will play a safety over johnson, exposing the middle. Watch and See, and then i want an apology for the personal attack!!!!!!!!!!

Bongo59
10-27-2006, 04:16 PM
Well then I guess you know that "Shanny and Kubs" have played the Titans/Oilers only once in the last 10 years.

That meeting was on a sub-freezing night in Nashville on Christmas 2004 when the Broncos were playing for a wild card spot which they eventually won, and the Titans were playing out the string during a terrible 5-11 season.

The Titans were missing six starters on defense because of injury that evening. Steve McNair didn't play and Antowain Smith was their starting RB.

http://nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20041225_DEN@TEN

Yes, "Shanny and Kubs" dominated the Titans on that cold night. What that has to do with Sunday's clash between the Titans and Texans is beyond me. I look forward to being enlightened by your knowledge.great post AJ....................facts shock morons and democrats.

Bongo59
10-27-2006, 04:19 PM
It was twice in the last ten years including 4 preseason matchups, with the starters playing 3 quarters. Now to explain what that has to do with the texans-titans game. The system, playcalling, and gameplan will be the exact same thing. As mentioned in previous post the titans linebackers are some of the slowest in the game, they are horrible against zone blocking with lack of side to side speed. Also they struggle if there is one good reciever, to take care of the tight ends, they will play a safety over johnson, exposing the middle. Watch and See, and then i want an apology for the personal attack!!!!!!!!!!
preseason??? Go back and stick your head in the snow.............

thunderkyss
11-14-2006, 11:11 PM
Didn't want to start a new thread about the Titans.

But I'm watching NFL replay, and THenry is having his way with the Ravens. I checked the stats, he had 107 rushing yards against Balt. on 27 carries, for 4.0 ypc.

He only had 29 yards against us, on 15 carries for 1.9 ypc..........

Interesting...