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TexanSam
10-24-2006, 11:25 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6093942

The article is too long to cut and paste, but while the title looks like it's a positive article, it just seems as if the writer is giving excuses as to why the Jaguars lost. He blames the injuries for the most part. Well, that happens. Every team has a few players injured at some point or another. It's part of football. The Texans won the game, the Jaguars didn't lose it!!

CowboysTexansFan
10-24-2006, 11:34 PM
I liked the beginning of the article, then my eyes glazed over while the author went into all of the Jaguars' injuries. I wish people would get over that! Injuries are part of the game and every team has to deal with them.

I did, however, like the last paragraph of the piece...

[snip]

Houston, for really the first time in its history, is an interesting team to watch. Johnson has emerged as one of the top 10 wide receivers in football to jump start the passing game. Now, the team needs only improve everything else. Needless to say, the rebuilding plan continues. With two games against Tennessee and home games against Buffalo and Cleveland, the Texans can win six games sadly, the second most in franchise history without pulling any more surprising upsets. With a successful 2007 off-season to rebuild the offensive line and upgrade the linebackers, the Texans could dare to dream of going to that place they've never gone before: above .500.

AustinJB
10-24-2006, 11:41 PM
The writer says that the Jags offense played horrible and that's why they lost. While they did look pretty bad, the article fails to mention or recognize that a large portion of the reason their offense looked bad was b/c we had three key contributers return from injury (Wong, Faggins, and Peek). He mentions that Wilford fumbled the ball and we turned it into 7 points, but doesn't credit Faggins for actually forcing the fumble.

Also says that our offense looked so good b/c of all the injuries to the Jags. While I can admit that this definitely had an affect on the offensive output, perhaps our offense being on the field more than in past games also helped. Plus it's not like our offense has been horrible this year...only the running game has needed work. We got good production in that area this week. Is it b/c they were injured? Or is it b/c we had a lead and a chance to actually run the ball to eat up the clock (80 yds by Lundy in the 4th quarter)?

threetoedpete
10-25-2006, 01:04 AM
What I wanna know is where are the belly aching Carr haters are ? Are we going to get to quote Ron White, " I was wrong" out of them. Looks like an NFL QB to me. Suddenly got reeealy quite didn't it ?

phan1
10-25-2006, 02:09 AM
Thanks, it's always good to read anything about my favorite team in the national media. :)

joedinkle
10-25-2006, 06:15 AM
Why do the Jags get a free pass for injuries, but our running game doesn't(Domanick Davis)?

aj.
10-25-2006, 06:41 AM
Domanick Davis, Seth Payne, and Charles Spencer. Three starters lost for the year -- and two others, Petey and Wong, missing for half a season - not to mention our All Pro kick returner who we probably won't see this year.

There was one year in the recent past when we had 20 guys on IR or something....yeah...then I guess you could maybe talk about injuries. But I could never hear Kubiak say anything but "we just need to go out and play football" regardless of who's lining up where.

I didn't read the article above but one thing that struck me as I re-watched the game is how close the Texans came to letting the Jags off the hook.

The clock said 0:33 in the third quarter. The Jags were driving at about the Houston 35. They had regained the momentum. The crowd was deathly quiet. Then Peek strips Taylor, the Texans offense and the crowd (at least half of them) wakes up, and the Jags are the ones who fold 'em.

If the Jags had punched it in on that drive and gone up 14-10, I'm not so sure how the Texans offense would have reacted because until the Taylor fumble, all the Texans had in the second half were two ugly 3 and outs. They had a miserable 30 something yards rushing at that point. It was nice to see them close one out decisively for a change.

CoachJim
10-25-2006, 07:43 AM
I've never claimed to know everything about everything where footballs concerned but I highly doubt Stroud & the other defensive injur(ies) made a 20 point difference. Just take the ass whoopin Jax.

thunderkyss
10-25-2006, 07:58 AM
What I wanna know is where are the belly aching Carr haters are ? Are we going to get to quote Ron White, " I was wrong" out of them. Looks like an NFL QB to me. Suddenly got reeealy quite didn't it ?

I think I was pretty straight forward saying that Carr will step it up, and have a good year this year.

Granted, I didn't think he would look as good as he has... as quickly as he has.

But I still believe next year will be his test.


I Also didn't believe in Drew Brees until recently, if that helps to pigeon hole me any.

thunderkyss
10-25-2006, 08:11 AM
I've never claimed to know everything about everything where footballs concerned but I highly doubt Stroud & the other defensive injur(ies) made a 20 point difference. Just take the ass whoopin Jax.

& That's another thing. We Stymied there offense, which I believe was healthy, with the possible exception that Byron may have had ankle issues, but he swears he was 100%. But even if he wasn't, he's been able to perform at less than 100% in the past... so that's not an excuse either.

They got whupped on both sides of the ball.

real
10-25-2006, 08:19 AM
& That's another thing. We Stymied there offense, which I believe was healthy, with the possible exception that Byron may have had ankle issues, but he swears he was 100%. But even if he wasn't, he's been able to perform at less than 100% in the past... so that's not an excuse either.

They got whupped on both sides of the ball.

This is the same guy that had to be carried to the line of scrimmage by his lineman in college....

I doubt a little tweak affected him that much...

Although doing the splits might have messed with his head a bit...

El Tejano
10-25-2006, 08:41 AM
Right. Let's talk about how the worse defense in the league stopped a healthy Jags offense. Yeah Matt Jones wasn't there and I assume he would've made a difference. However, you can't erase that their receivers only had two catches in this game against a very poor secondary.

rafterticket
10-25-2006, 08:55 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6093942

The article is too long to cut and paste, but while the title looks like it's a positive article, it just seems as if the writer is giving excuses as to why the Jaguars lost. He blames the injuries for the most part. Well, that happens. Every team has a few players injured at some point or another. It's part of football. The Texans won the game, the Jaguars didn't lose it!!

Between that article and the ESPN rankings yesterday, I am starting to think sports writers have just been waiting for an excuse to say something nice about the Texans. True, they are backing it up with the Jags injury thing, but the good things they are saying about Carr and Johnson are about the season overall.

If we lose Sunday, expect the same old stuff we have been used to. I guess we can't blame them.

texflex513
10-25-2006, 08:58 AM
Thats one thing that really ticks me off.... for the past 3-4 years we have had to deal with KEY players being injured and when we lost games the rest of the nfl sumed it up as us being a bad team... although true but injuries were never used as an excuse for us...so why now that we OUTPLAY a good team all of a sudden injuries are an excuse for them. We took our losses like men so should the rest of the teams in the NFL that lose to us.

NEROtheZERO
10-25-2006, 09:03 AM
I liked the beginning of the article, then my eyes glazed over while the author went into all of the Jaguars' injuries. I wish people would get over that! Injuries are part of the game and every team has to deal with them.

I did, however, like the last paragraph of the piece...

[snip]

Houston, for really the first time in its history, is an interesting team to watch. Johnson has emerged as one of the top 10 wide receivers in football to jump start the passing game. Now, the team needs only improve everything else. Needless to say, the rebuilding plan continues. With two games against Tennessee and home games against Buffalo and Cleveland, the Texans can win six games sadly, the second most in franchise history without pulling any more surprising upsets. With a successful 2007 off-season to rebuild the offensive line and upgrade the linebackers, the Texans could dare to dream of going to that place they've never gone before: above .500.

Is he not expecting us to be favored going into Oakland?

infantrycak
10-25-2006, 09:07 AM
The clock said 0:33 in the third quarter. They had a miserable 30 something yards rushing at that point.

I really hope people aren't deluding themselves into thinking the Texans have a consistant running game based on a 3.9 ypc on the day because it sucked for most of the game. Other than the Carr roll out and Lundy's two big runs it looked like the same bad 2 ypc running game.

aj.
10-25-2006, 09:09 AM
Between that article and the ESPN rankings yesterday, I am starting to think sports writers have just been waiting for an excuse to say something nice about the Texans. .


I don't see it as an excuse. It's probably just refreshing to write something different about the team for a change. I'm sure the same old theme every week gets old when you're a media type.

jerek
10-25-2006, 09:14 AM
I really hope people aren't deluding themselves into thinking the Texans have a consistant running game based on a 3.9 ypc on the day because it sucked for most of the game. Other than the Carr roll out and Lundy's two big runs it looked like the same bad 2 ypc running game.

I disagree ... sort of. I haven't watched the tape yet but my impression was that we were running with some consistency. Nothing elite but good enough, and of course, many backs will move along and then rip off a long one or two. Then again maybe I was just happy to see Gado and Lundy execute a backfield change of direction manuever.

thunderkyss
10-25-2006, 09:19 AM
I really hope people aren't deluding themselves into thinking the Texans have a consistant running game based on a 3.9 ypc on the day because it sucked for most of the game. Other than the Carr roll out and Lundy's two big runs it looked like the same bad 2 ypc running game.

Hey, I'm with you..... we didn't do anything different, or better than we did in our earlier games. had we been able to commit to the run against Philly, Indy, & Washington, we'd have gotten the same results(I think). Getting lucky in the 4th Qtr, and taking advantage of that.

Against Miami or Dallas, I'm sure the Gado, Lundy combo wouldn't have done any differently than the Dayne/Gado combo.

I've yet to watch the game, and study what our OL is doing, to see if anyone is doing any better than in our previous efforts, but I've watched the game twice now, and nothing has jumped out at me.

infantrycak
10-25-2006, 09:24 AM
I disagree ... sort of. I haven't watched the tape yet but my impression was that we were running with some consistency. Nothing elite but good enough, and of course, many backs will move along and then rip off a long one or two. Then again maybe I was just happy to see Gado and Lundy execute a backfield change of direction manuever.

15 runs out of 34 came in the 4th qtr. We had 35 yds of rushing going into the 4th qtr. We were consistantly bad to the tune of 1.8 ypc for the 1st 3 qtrs of the game. Heck look at our drive at 8:32 in the 4th qtr--we got an offside and so had 1st and 5--time to grind out the clock. Runs of 2, 2 and 0 for 3 and out. I understand many backs pump their stats with a long one or two but you want to see them pump it from 3.5 ypc to 4.2-4.8, not 1.8 to 3.9--still not 4 ypc with the long runs.

aj.
10-25-2006, 09:32 AM
I disagree ... sort of. I haven't watched the tape yet but my impression was that we were running with some consistency. .

Until the 0:35 mark in the 3rd, the Texans rushing plays were for:

6, 0, 4, 2, -1, 8, 3, 1, 2, 2, 3, -6, 3, 3, 2, and -2 yards.

That's 30 yards on 16 carries. Average of 1.9 ypc. Only 2 rushes more than 4 yards and 3 for negative yardage.

Yes they were running with some consistency but it wasn't the good kind.

jerek
10-25-2006, 09:56 AM
Until the 0:35 mark in the 3rd, the Texans rushing plays were for:

6, 0, 4, 2, -1, 8, 3, 1, 2, 2, 3, -6, 3, 3, 2, and -2 yards.

That's 30 yards on 16 carries. Average of 1.9 ypc. Only 2 rushes more than 4 yards and 3 for negative yardage.

Yes they were running with some consistency but it wasn't the good kind.

I stand corrected ... but that is why I said "my impression." I too often find that I remember something (especially if I am watching at Reliant) but I go back and check the tape and was wrong about it. I was probably overcompensating it in my mind simply out of the joy of watching backs who would attempt to make cuts. Thanks for providing the intel.

aj.
10-25-2006, 09:59 AM
I was sitting there at the end of the 3rd, watching the Jags seemingly driving for the go-ahead score after two really sucky Texans 3 and outs. Taylor and Drew seemed to be getting into a rythm. I wasn't feeling joy. I was feeling 'here we freaking go again.'

jerek
10-25-2006, 10:01 AM
I was sitting there at the end of the 3rd, watching the Jags seemingly driving for the go-ahead score. Taylor and Drew were getting into a rythm it seemed. I wasn't feeling joy. I was feeling 'here we freaking go again.'

Me too. Which is what makes this game remarkable -- we finally had the stones to make a stop. We capitalized on turnovers with TDs. Confidence can do wondrous things and we just took a big step toward building it. My perception was that our D was really getting fired up after that first turnover and score. I suspect having Wong and Peek back helped us as well.

Marcus
10-25-2006, 10:33 AM
Well, the way I look at it . . is if we get our clocks cleaned in the next 3 road games . . . then all the Jax excuses are pretty much legit.

But if we win a couple of them, then the Jax 'ass whuppin' was pretty much legit.

So the jury ain't out yet on this deal.

Stampede
10-25-2006, 11:58 PM
Well, the way I look at it . . is if we get our clocks cleaned in the next 3 road games . . . then all the Jax excuses are pretty much legit.

But if we win a couple of them, then the Jax 'ass whuppin' was pretty much legit.

So the jury ain't out yet on this deal.

This should not be a one way street. What about Our injuries. Starting DT Payne, Starting LT Spencer, Starting RB Davis, Pro Bowl returner Mathis...We don't need to take anything away from this teams win over the Jags no matter what happens in the weeks to come. They played good football. That was the reason for their success. :)

Bamaborn-Texasbred
10-26-2006, 12:07 AM
Wong

Peek

Faggins

Rookies stepping up

Offensive line gelling

Carr becoming what a first pick should be

D line stepping up

This is what I have been waiting for.

This is why I have continued to buy my season tickets.

I hope this wasn't a flash in the pan.