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kubs-elway
10-20-2006, 05:28 PM
If you scan through this list, there are some difference makers in key areas that could help the texans. One thing I know for sure Kubs will look for in the mold of Belichick and shanahan will be veterans cut, who have won and have 2-3 years left. Locker room presence will be a huge priority, the texans lack a proven leader on the team. In my oponion getting turner, and max starks would lend the draft to defense. They could dump the first pick if they signed these two and get another 2cd and 3rd round pick.


Top 3 Free Agent Running Backs

Ahman Green, UFA, Green Bay Packers
Michael Turner, RFA, San Diego Chargers:redtowel:
Chris Brown, UFA, Tennessee Titans

Free Agent Wide Recievers and Tight Ends

Drew Bennett, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Kevin Curtis, UFA, St. Louis Rams
TE Eric Johnson, UFA, San Francisco 49ers
Other Free Agent Wide Receivers
Marc Boerigter, UFA, Green Bay Packers
David Boston, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Tyrone Calico, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Patrick Crayton, RFA, Dallas Cowboys
Andre' Davis, UFA, Buffalo Bills
Bobby Engram, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Justin Gage, UFA, Chicago Bears
D.J. Hackett, RFA, Seattle Seahawks
Keenan McCardell, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Shaun McDonald, UFA, St. Louis Rams
Samie Parker, RFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Jerome Pathon, UFA, Atlanta Falcons
Willie Ponder, UFA, New York Giants
Edell Shepherd, RFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Travis Taylor, UFA, Minnesota Vikings
Scottie Vines, RFA, Detroit Lions
Bobby Wade, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Peter Warrick, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Kelley Washington, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Alvis Whitted, UFA, Oakland Raiders
Ernest Wilford, RFA, Jacksonville Jaguars

Free Agent O-Line .

Max Starks RFA Pittsburgh Steelers:redtowel:
Starks is a starting tackle for a Super Bowl champion. Thatís enough in itself to get some teams a little excited about the prospects of acquiring him. The fact that Starks is young, talented, and massive in statureólisted at 6í8Ē, 337 lbs.ójust adds to the excitement pile. Another lineman that shouldnít be going anywhere as the Steelers will not let Starks go without a fight. The best bet is that Starks will decide he wants to stay in Pittsburgh and sign an extension. If he hits the market, there will be a team or two willing to pay a big amount to entice the tackle to relocate.

Leonard Davis UFA Arizona Cardinals
Davis is a massive tackle that the Cardinals canít afford to lose to free agency. The Arizona offensive line is already suspect, and losing Davis would be a huge step in the wrong direction, but the team may have to let him go and find a replacement if they arenít prepared to offer decent money. Davis has shown the ability to simply be a wall of protection for his quarterback and while teams might not line up for the chance to sign him, anyone looking for a tackle will have him high on the list. The Cardinals are more than likely going to push to re-sign him before he hits the market.

Mike Gandy, UFA, Buffalo Bills:redtowel:
A relatively young starting left tackle, Gandy had been blocking for Willis McGahee over the past two seasons, and this season could go a long way in making Gandy an appealing free agent. He has talent, but isnít considered among the leagueís best linemen. However, a decent starting left tackle doesnít just drop from the sky, so expect him to garner interest from a handful of teams, if Buffalo doesnít re-sign him before the market opens.

Other Free Agent Offensive Linemen
Jordan Black, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Dwayne Carswell, UFA, Denver Broncos
Derrick Dockery, UFA, Washington Redskins
Nat Dorsey, RFA, Cleveland Browns
Chris Gray, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Norm Katnik, RFA, New York Jets
Ryan Lilja, RFA, Indianapolis Colts
Sean Locklear, RFA, Seattle Seahawks
Vincent Manuwai, UFA, Jacksonville Jaguars
Roman Oben, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Brian Rimpf, RFA, Baltimore Ravens
Eric Steinbach, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Todd Steussie, UFA, St. Louis Rams
Floyd Womack, UFA, Seattle Seahawks

Free Agent D-Line

Dwight Freeney, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
Freeney originally signed for seven years in 2002, but having reached certain incentive levels in his contract has voided the final two seasons, making him a free agent at the end of this season. Freeney has posted double-digit sack totals in each of his four seasons, and has forced 23 fumbles in that time. Heís arguably the best defensive end in the league, and at worst is one of the top pass rushers around. Heís missed just one game in his career and plays with an incredible motor. With some of the best speed at his position, many teams will be lining up for a shot at a player that can apply pressure on the quarterback quite often.

Jared Allen, RFA, Kansas City Chiefs:redtowel:
The top defensive lineman that will see the market, Allen, has posted totals of 9 and 11 in the sack department over the past two seasons. The Chiefs will do everything in their power to keep him, but teams on the outside looking in could see Allen as a free agent must. Heís young, plays with a big motor, and puts pressure on the quarterback often, evidenced by his 7 forced fumbles last season. Teams will line up for the type of player that Allen is, and being an RFA doesnít change that much. Allen makes the list because of his talent, but itís difficult to imagine that the Chiefs would allow him to slip away on the market. Expect the Chiefs to negotiate a contract extension or possibly use the franchise tag if Allen has another great season.

Vonnie Holliday, UFA, Miami Dolphins
Heís been an effective defensive tackle throughout his career, and when Holliday hits the market, his experience, talent, and size will make him a desirable option for teams that need defensive interior run support. Miami wonít want to lose him, as they have a collection of veteran players who could help make a Super Bowl push in the next few seasons, but Holliday can command a decent dollar amount if he seeks a new employer. Donít be surprised to see the Dolphins re-sign him before free agency.

Other Free Agent Defensive Lineman
Edward Jasper, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Chad Lavalais, RFA, Atlanta Falcons
Cory Redding, UFA, Detroit Lions
Terdell Sands, UFA, Oakland Raiders
Hollis Thomas, UFA, New Orleans Saints

Top 2007 Free Agent LB


Lance Briggs, UFA, Chicago Bears:
Briggs benefits from having Brian Urlacher as a teammate, but thatís no reason to doubt that Briggs is a really good linebacker in his own right. He may be the most sought after linebacker in this free agent class, and the Bears will have difficulty in retaining all of the defensive talent they have in the next few seasons if they wish to spend more money on offensive help and re-sign other current players. The Bears could slap the franchise tag on Briggs to keep him around, but if they donít, expect him to be leaving the Windy City and taking up residence for a new team that will try and feature him on defense. Teams needing a tough linebacker to plug holes and make tackles will put Briggs high on their list. Given the Bears history in this type of matter, itís likely that Briggs will find a new place to punish offenses.

Na'il Diggs, UFA, Carolina Panthers
Diggs has been a steady linebacker for the Green Bay Packers since his second season in the league. Injuries forced him to miss seven games last season and he now has just a single season to prove to the Panthers that he deserves a larger contract. Diggs, while steady, isnít necessity for Carolina, so expect to see him hit the market in the hopes that someone appreciates what he does on the field, maybe even over-appreciates what he does on the field. Staying healthy will be the first step towards a successful contract year, and if he can perform like he did in Green Bay, a handful of teams should be interested in bringing Diggs into the fold. Anyone looking for a veteran linebacker to make some tackles and hold his own will show an interest.

Cato June, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
Recent legal trouble could hurt his stock, but June was a first time starter in the Pro Bowl this past season. Heís relatively young and a tackling machine, so itís likely that the Colts will do what they can to retain his talents. Thereís good chance that June hits the market, though, to see what other organizations have to offer him financially; the Colts inability to reach the Super Bowl may also factor into a decision to leave. Juneís not an overpowering player, so a team interested in him will be looking at utilizing his speed as a top priority, in the same way that the Colts have done. June will be the most sought after linebacker on the market, and perhaps the most sought after defensive player.

Adalius Thomas, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
It could be difficult to keep Thomas around because of his emerging status as one of the better linebackers in the NFL. Last season, with Ray Lewis lost to an injury for ten games, Thomas shined for the Ravens defensive unit. Credited with 86 total tackles, nine sacks, and a returned touchdown on one of his two interceptions, he boosted his free agent potential and he could be one of the top two or three pursued players if he has a successful í06 campaign. Someone will throw big dollars his way, which means he could be lured away from Baltimore.

Other Free Agent Linebackers
Chase Blackburn, ERFA, New York Giants
Chad Brown, UFA, New England Patriots
James Darling, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
London Fletcher, UFA, Buffalo Bills
Randall Godfrey, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Kawika Mitchell, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Rob Morris, UFA, Indianapolis Colts

Top 2007 Free Agent DB

Nate Clements, UFA, Buffalo Bills:
Clements should be the top target of teams looking for help in the secondary. Heís young, highly regarded, and very talented. Buffalo would like nothing more than to have him signed to an extension as quickly as possible, but his talentóhe does have two Pro Bowl selectionsómay lead him to test the market. Without an extension, the Bills must decide if they are willing to franchise tag Clements once again to guarantee his presence on the gridiron for one more season. Since Clements has not been adversely affected by NFL officiating changes, most NFL teams will pursue the cornerback if he hits the market.


Other Free Agent Cornerbacks
Roc Alexander, RFA, Denver Broncos
Jordan Babineaux, RFA, Seattle Seahawks
Jason David, RFA, Indianapolis Colts
Randall Gay, RFA, New England Patriots
Nick Harper, UFA, Indianapolis Colts :
David Macklin, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Asante Samuel, UFA, New England Patriots

Other Free Agent Safety
Tyrone Carter, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
Deon Grant, UFA, Jacksonville Jaguars
Ken Hamlin, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Michael Lewis, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles:
John Lynch, UFA, Denver Broncos
Donnie Nickey, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Tony Parrish, UFA, San Francisco 49ers
Ernest Shazor, ERFA, Arizona Cardinals
B.J. Ward, RFA, Baltimore Ravens
Gibril Wilson, RFA, New York Giants

kcwilson
10-20-2006, 05:37 PM
On the offensive side, almost none of those names does anything for me... Turner is the most intriguing, but he is RFA and won't come cheap, $ and draft picks.

WR and TE, I think we are covered there. Maybe another #3, but we don't spread the ball enough for that to make a difference. Depth would be nice behind aging Moulds and therefore could do that in the draft.

Defensively, I see us doing what we seem to like... always take a look at the Ravens defense to see if we can get any of them, and mostly at a premium, because of the previous success in the Ravens system and our requiring a little extra incentive to play for a losing organization.

I imagine we look at Thomas at LB, maybe Briggs of Chicacgo.

We better be swapping out for an almost entirely new hand in the secondary, spare Robinson, and I am not sure that he isn't off limits at times.

ThaShark316
10-20-2006, 05:42 PM
Could you guys imagine the $$$$$ Freeney's gonna see...wow.

Bubbajwp
10-20-2006, 05:49 PM
I say we just sign Freeney and Nate Clements. Thats not asking to much is it.:jk:

BuffSoldier
10-20-2006, 07:04 PM
I say we just sign Freeney and Nate Clements. Thats not asking to much is it.:jk:


Not at all:rolleyes:

jparrish
10-20-2006, 07:22 PM
I hope we get a shot at drafting Adrian Peterson. I wouldn't pick up a FA running back if the asking price was too much. Rumors have San Diego wanting a first round pick for Turner. I think Adrian Peterson would be much more beneficial for a first round pick. And yeah it would be pretty amazing if we could add a top FA on defense at DE or CB.

AtheGreat
10-20-2006, 07:31 PM
I think a proven saftey would be worth his weight in gold for our young D. A Michael Lewis, Parish, or Lynch would be a HUGE step in the right direction. If we could go out and grab a very good , i really think that would help us out not having to worry abt that in the upcoming draft. If we did that, we could grab a Joe Thomas in the 1st to anchor our Oline, and get a RB in the 2nd round (or trade up), and then go from there. Think about this for a second :hmmm: : a member of our secondary not named Robinson that will lay the wood....i know it sounds sweet to me too. Either way, we still got alotta time to think about it, till then, work with what you have.

michaelm
10-20-2006, 07:32 PM
Realistically, I'd like to get Briggs, and any reasonable help we can get in the secondary.
It may sound strange, but I wouldn't mind if we picked up Bobby Ingram. He most surely won't be retained by Seattle after the additions of Branch and Burleson, and IMO he is one of the better WR3s in the league. I was high on Kevin Walter in the preseason, but he has mostly disappeared in our offense.

YoungTexanFan
10-20-2006, 07:35 PM
Could you guys imagine the $$$$$ Freeney's gonna see...wow.

it doesn't matter, he probally won't terrorize us twice a year now.

Samer
10-20-2006, 07:59 PM
If anything there are really a few guys who I'd love to see in a Texans uniform and they are:
Lance Briggs
Nate Clemants
Asante Samuel
Michael Lewis
John Lynch

run-david-run
10-20-2006, 09:40 PM
I think Asante Samuel would be a realistic target that wouldnt break the bank. New England dosnt like to spend and if he is asking for too much, they'll give him the Branch treatment and let someone else pick him up. Anyway, Drob and Samuel would be a very good combination of cornerbacks without a clear number 1 or 2 too pick on.

edo783
10-20-2006, 09:43 PM
Swap our first for the Bolts first and Turner. Works for me. They will be picking in the high 20s-32. We keep a 1st round pick and pick up a good back.

ArlingtonTexan
10-20-2006, 10:00 PM
Oh no, :shots: I really don't want a repeat of looking to next year not even half way through this year

wenskek
10-20-2006, 10:52 PM
I think it would be worth taking a look at Ken Hamlin from seattle.

run-david-run
10-20-2006, 11:35 PM
Definately worth a look at Hamlin, not sure how old he is though. In regards to Turner, its going to take more then just swaping picks to get him. I doubt he leaves San Diego this offseason.

TexansSeminole
10-21-2006, 12:30 AM
I say we just sign Freeney and Nate Clements. Thats not asking to much is it.:jk:

Hey if we did that, then drafted O lineman, a safety, a linebacker and running back we'd be much improved next year.

hot pickle
10-21-2006, 12:32 AM
i think the texans will take serious looks at briggs, clement, and hamlin, and then they will look at those depth guys as usual

and an OT from denver, lol

SF49erFaithful
10-21-2006, 01:09 AM
Yes there definitely is a lot of players on the defensive side of the ball who interest me.

Adalius Thomas
Lance Briggs
Ken Hamlin
Asante Samuel
Deon Grant

wolfscar
10-21-2006, 07:12 AM
I don't think we need a RB for 2007, but Starks or Davis at O-Line would be more than welcome.

Other than that, I'd love to see Adalius Thomas suit up for the Texans. Seeing what he does for the Ravens and given how far we have to go on D, he could be used in a lot of ways to fill a lot of gaps.

TK_Gamer
10-21-2006, 07:45 AM
this is a great wish list but dont look for many of these guys to be available, most will be offered new contracts and sign this year. myself, I'm gonna wait to see the list come febuary. I can see us taking a RB in the 2nd round possibly trading up to a late first rounder. prolly a corner or safety with the first round pick, and o-line or linebackers for for the middle picks. but we still have to see how this O-line matures by the end of the season. we could possibily move the o-line pick down to the middle picks if the line starts to gel, then we could use the 3rd round for defense (LB, DE, CB)

threetoedpete
10-21-2006, 08:27 AM
Oh no, :shots: I really don't want a repeat of looking to next year not even half way through this year

Too late. Make mine a Bushmills. Very nice work Kubes Elway. Rep coming your way. Gave one out yesterday might be empty.

threetoedpete
10-21-2006, 08:35 AM
Yes there definitely is a lot of players on the defensive side of the ball who interest me.

Adalius Thomas
Lance Briggs
Ken Hamlin
Asante Samuel
Deon Grant

JMHO, btu at 270 , I'm not quit sure Adalius Thomas works. He's great at what he dose, SSOLB in a 3-4. But unless were' swithing back, he doesn't fit a 4-3. Like the rest of your list though.

threetoedpete
10-21-2006, 08:46 AM
Swap our first for the Bolts first and Turner. Works for me. They will be picking in the high 20s-32. We keep a 1st round pick and pick up a good back.

A top five for a 20- 32 is not doing it for me. there's a lot of tallent at the top of the board this year. And that's befor we know which juniors are coming out. Turner the burner is nice. And we learned last year you can't move down without a partner. Just think your scenario is a bit cheap.


Another thing we should of learned over the last three years, if you over pay for veterns with a little wear on their wheels they end up being dead money in a few seasons. A like our recievers this year. Not their fault the o-line has gotten bitten by the injury bug. If Carr had the time he'd find the #3 and the tight ends more. I'd be very surprised to see the skins let Docery get away. Demeeco still bears the scars and cleat tracks on his chest. And for the record I was wrong about him. a 5.4 forty isn't too slow to paly in this league.

YoungTexanFan
10-21-2006, 09:11 AM
I think Clements is very likely to become a FA. He doesn't want to be franchised again next year.

J-Storm
10-21-2006, 09:30 AM
I'd be interested in Chris Brown (depending on health from the rest of this year and $$$ wanted), Nate Clements, Eric Johnson, Drew Bennett, Jarome Pathon (as back up WR's and TE again depending on health and $$$ wanted), the 3 OL guys from Seattle on that list, Cato June, Jordan Babineaux and Tony Parrish.

Chances of getting any of them for what we wanted etc would be highly unlikely though *shrugs*...

TheCD
10-21-2006, 09:30 AM
it doesn't matter, he probally won't terrorize us twice a year now.


Doubtful. The reason Indy let James go is so that they'd be prepared to pay Freeney when his contract was up; he'll stay.

threetoedpete
10-21-2006, 09:54 AM
Swap our first for the Bolts first and Turner. Works for me. They will be picking in the high 20s-32. We keep a 1st round pick and pick up a good back.

A top five for a 20- 32 is not doing it for me. There's a lot of tallent at the top of the board this year. And that's befor we know which juniors are coming out. Turner the burner is nice. And we learned last year you can't move down without a partner. Just think your scenario is a bit cheap. Sure the Bolts would luv it though.


Another thing we should of learned over the last three years, if you over pay for veterns with a little wear on their wheels they end up being dead money in a few seasons. I like our recievers this year. Not their fault the o-line has gotten bitten by the injury bug. If Carr had the time he'd find the #3 and the tight ends more. I'd be very surprised to see the skins let Dockery get away. Demeeco still bears the scars and cleat tracks on his chest. And for the record I was wrong about him. a 5.4 forty isn't too slow to paly in this league.

Hulk75
10-21-2006, 11:59 AM
If john lynch does not re up then i can see kubes and smith looking at him real hard...............

Could you imagine Dwight Freeney and Mario Williams on the same team...........Cut older guys with big contracts, Wiegert, Steve, DD, Bruener and such and sign Freeney.....HOLY CRAP!:yikes:

powda
10-21-2006, 12:12 PM
it really dosent matter whos available unless we're in good cap shape. anyone have a rough projection on our available money going into free agency?

and it looks like clements and samuels are the only quality cbs in free agency...the draft dosent appear to hold much hope for us at that postion either....

clements would take astronomical money...samuels might not be as bad.

Vinny
10-21-2006, 01:09 PM
I didn't read the thread but most teams lock up their better players before they hit FA...this list will be considerably shorter later on...with mostly marginal to average players left to sign...a few nuggets every year though...but you pay out the nose for them.

michaelm
10-21-2006, 01:12 PM
it really dosent matter whos available unless we're in good cap shape. anyone have a rough projection on our available money going into free agency?

and it looks like clements and samuels are the only quality cbs in free agency...the draft dosent appear to hold much hope for us at that postion either....

clements would take astronomical money...samuels might not be as bad.

HPF.com has us w/ over 14mil available.
http://www.houstonprofootball.com/cap2007.html


After looking at the linked page, I emailed Keith over there to ask him about the possibility of absorbing some of the dead money that is currently on the 2007 cap onto this years cap. He responded by saying that he's pretty sure the Texans can do it, and they have some room (9.5+mil), so it makes sense to do it if they can.
I wondered why they hadn't already accelerated the dead money to this year's cap, and he said they may be waiting until the last minute in case they need it this year... makes sense.
If all of this is true, it looks like we may have well over 20mil of cap space next season.


There is the possibility that I have this all wrong... I'm no capologist, so take this info with a grain of salt... definately not gospel...

MasterC25
10-21-2006, 01:23 PM
I don't know what we should do offensively, but I say we go after Freeney and Cato June real hard this offseason. Plus listen careful to this name "Joe Barry" LBs coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers come in as our Defensive coordinator. This young man can coach(ask: Derrick Brooks) he can bring that Tampa-2 over here. Can you imagine Freeney on one side Mario on another. Cato June and Demeco Ryans flowing to the ball. Joe Barry is going to be a sought out coordinator this coming offseason. Especially from Detroit where Marneilli coached with him in Tampa, plus Joe is Marneilli son-in-law.

Vinny
10-21-2006, 01:30 PM
I don't know what we should do offensively, but I say we go after Freeney and Cato June real hard this offseason. Plus listen careful to this name "Joe Barry" LBs coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers come in as our Defensive coordinator. This young man can coach(ask: Derrick Brooks) he can bring that Tampa-2 over here. Can you imagine Freeney on one side Mario on another. Cato June and Demeco Ryans flowing to the ball. Joe Barry is going to be a sought out coordinator this coming offseason. Especially from Detroit where Marneilli coached with him in Tampa, plus Joe is Marneilli son-in-law.If those guys are available I'll eat my hat...no way the Colts let them walk. Cato June perhaps but he is undersized at 225. There are a lot of RB's bigger than that....and we don't use the tampa2

MasterC25
10-21-2006, 01:43 PM
If those guys are available I'll eat my hat...no way the Colts let them walk. Cato June perhaps but he is undersized at 225. There are a lot of RB's bigger than that....and we don't use the tampa2

I know we don't use Tampa-2, but I would perfer to use that then what ever defense we are running now. I just feel that our scheme even though its 4-3 doesn't suit our players. Our scheme is more of a read and react especially on our d-line. I feel in a cover 2 scheme our d-line would be able to attack and control only one gap. I seen the games up close and our d-line does not attack the gaps of the offense as much as protect it. Mario, Travis, and Anthony need to be let go and told here is your gap attack it full speed and don't worry about anything else. Thats what made Warren Sapp, Dwight Freeney, Simeon Rice, Alex Brown, John Abraham and Tommie Harris what they are today one-gap penetrators. They just went full speed and worried about everything else later.

Sportsfan
10-21-2006, 04:19 PM
If you scan through this list, there are some difference makers in key areas that could help the texans. One thing I know for sure Kubs will look for in the mold of Belichick and shanahan will be veterans cut, who have won and have 2-3 years left. Locker room presence will be a huge priority, the texans lack a proven leader on the team. In my oponion getting turner, and max starks would lend the draft to defense. They could dump the first pick if they signed these two and get another 2cd and 3rd round pick.



Free Agent D-Line

Dwight Freeney, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
Freeney originally signed for seven years in 2002, but having reached certain incentive levels in his contract has voided the final two seasons, making him a free agent at the end of this season. Freeney has posted double-digit sack totals in each of his four seasons, and has forced 23 fumbles in that time. Heís arguably the best defensive end in the league, and at worst is one of the top pass rushers around. Heís missed just one game in his career and plays with an incredible motor. With some of the best speed at his position, many teams will be lining up for a shot at a player that can apply pressure on the quarterback quite often.




Man could you imagine? If the Colts don't lock up Freeney long term, that would be almost as worse as the Texans passing on Bush. Well, maybe net.....:rolleyes:

run-david-run
10-21-2006, 05:03 PM
Man could you imagine? If the Colts don't lock up Freeney long term, that would be almost as worse as the Texans passing on Bush. Well, maybe net.....:rolleyes:

yeah, pro-bowl defensive end, glorified punt returner...its all the same really

Maddict5
10-21-2006, 05:30 PM
none of the really good players will be there next march most likely... and michael lewis is stinking it up this year.. dont want him

keyfro
10-21-2006, 08:21 PM
freeney will be given a contract extention well before he hits the market...that's why they let edge walk...cato june is a different story but personally i'd rather lance briggs...but we first need to figure out exactly what type of 4-3 defense we are running...it seems to me that we don't really have an identity on defense...are we a zone based defense ie cover 2 or are we a man based defense...is our emphasis on d-lineman hitting the gaps or them taking up the blockers for the MLB to move from sideline to sideline...to me getting a some help in the defensive backfield is a must...samuels hamlin and grant should be on our list and hopefully we'll be able to sign two of them...next we need some more talent at DT...we need a real run stopper next to travis

SF49erFaithful
10-21-2006, 10:18 PM
JMHO, btu at 270 , I'm not quit sure Adalius Thomas works. He's great at what he dose, SSOLB in a 3-4. But unless were' swithing back, he doesn't fit a 4-3. Like the rest of your list though.

Well actually I was talking about guys I would want to see the 49ers sign, not who the Texans might want. :cool:

Anyway, right now we don't have the personel to run the 3-4 or 4-3, but I think (and hope) Nolan is dedicated to the 3-4 by next season. Assuming he does do that, I think Adalius would be great in the 3-4. However, I think it is possible he could work in your guys' scheme as well. I mean right now the Ravens are running a 4-3 and he is playing OLB there.

Also, wanted to add my opinion on a couple of things.......

Tony Parrish is playing pretty bad this year so I can tell you guys the chances of him re-signing are slim to none. He hasn't been his hard-hitting self and has been a big liability in coverage. So I don't think you guys should get too excited over his name on that list.

I haven't watched too much of him this year but I hear from Eagles fans that Michael Lewis has been terrible in coverage this year.

YoungTexanFan
10-21-2006, 10:46 PM
If john lynch does not re up then i can see kubes and smith looking at him real hard...............

Could you imagine Dwight Freeney and Mario Williams on the same team

I want no part of Lynch. He is old as dirt. He just doesn't do it for me anymore.

That would be scary with those two ends, but it won't happen, but I will dream until that day. Tell me that would scare the bejesus out of peyton, vince, and byron. Heck, think how Carr would feel in practice.

"You are on my team right Mr. Freeny? You promise you're done hurting me?"
"I promise you nothing. I go for the ball"

-Scary stuff. :bananasplit:

TFL
10-21-2006, 11:21 PM
Any chance Moulds talks to Nate Clements Over the Off-Season or Season and talks him in to looking at us? Hopefully they where buddies.

YoungTexanFan
10-21-2006, 11:27 PM
Any chance Moulds talks to Nate Clements Over the Off-Season or Season and talks him in to looking at us? Hopefully they where buddies.

that would be sweet. moulds would then have my vote as league representative to the union and my Texans hero.

:whip:

TexansSeminole
10-22-2006, 12:37 AM
Nate Clements and a talented safety addition (rookie or free agent) would make our secondary pretty good.

TK_Gamer
10-22-2006, 02:49 AM
the problem I think we will have fixing the secondary is you cant fix coverage problems with rookies, you draft rookies and let them develop in the dime and nickel packages over a year or 2, first we need competent 4-3/cover 2 corners and a coverage free safety, then you get the rookies and let them develop, we presently have one element (robinson) and even he has been iffy this year. so I dont see the secondary getting fixed in one year. but who knows.

wolfscar
10-22-2006, 07:08 AM
...to me getting a some help in the defensive backfield is a must...samuels hamlin and grant should be on our list and hopefully we'll be able to sign two of them...next we need some more talent at DT...we need a real run stopper next to travis

I agree - we could do with a Jamal Williams type at DT (Dalton was a good stop-gap pickup IMO) and a couple of solid guys in the backfield. Samuels and/or Hamlin would be great.

More than any of that though, I'd like to see a first class Center with genuine leadership qualities to stack the O-line around - get them playing as a unit. I don't see one in the FA list, unfortunately.

Wharton
10-22-2006, 08:47 PM
One of the things I notive today is our lack of tackling ability. We had several missed tackles and noone was bringing the wood with the exception of the rookie, Ryans. I'd like to see us go after someone like John Lynch. Someone who has a reputation as a hard hitter. Someone who will put a little fear in hearts of WR coming over the middle.

HeartofHouston
10-23-2006, 12:37 PM
QB
Quarterback is not a concern for me.. i love the way that David is playing right now..

HB
I would normally go for Michael Turner in any other situation but i have confience in Kub and picking the proper running back and with Lundy showing flashes and a decent class of HBs coming out in the draft.. that's not as much of a concern as other positions.

WR
I wouldn't mind seeing us bring in another nice reciever like Kelly Washington or Kevin Curtis, someone we could put at the 3rd or 4th reciever for right now. Cause as much as I hate to say it Eric Moulds won't be around forever and we will need someone to take over the number 2 spot.. I love Washington's size and strength and I love Kevin Curtis's speed and route running.

TE is not one of my worries..

OL
Dwayne Carswell is one of Shanahan/Kubiak's guys and I would love to have him here blocking for us next year. former TE turned OL good speed and quickness off the line.

DL
I'm relatively satisfied with our DL. We all just need to keep working as a unit and stay competetive and smart up front.

LB I would like to see us another LB to this unit, I mean it's decent right now but you can never be too good at the LB position. None of the names on that list are going to be in our reach in our opinion. Maybe we could look at Patrick Willis, or Paul P from Penn St.

CB
I would love to have Nate Clements on the other side of D-Rob, some people think that he is having a rocky season or two but it's not just them.. it's the lack of pressure up front and the team is just nothing playing to well as a unit right now. I think he could come in and we could look down but sides of the field with him. Ashante Samuel also is a good corner I wouldn't mind seeing him.

S
I've always like Ken Hamlin he's coming off an injury but if we can get him for a cheap price and we should, then I would pick him up. Ever since he was at Arkansas i wanted him on this team. Decent Speed but he hits like a Mack Truck and motivates a defense when he's out there. I also like Michael Lewis pretty good speed and he's a good hitter and is often left wit a reciever in the blitz happy defense.

mexican_texan
10-23-2006, 01:18 PM
http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=29741&highlight=2007+free+agents

real
10-23-2006, 01:22 PM
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/nfl/freeagents.html

Bearfan Blue and Orange
10-23-2006, 03:10 PM
Realistically, I'd like to get Briggs, and any reasonable help we can get in the secondary.
It may sound strange, but I wouldn't mind if we picked up Bobby Ingram. He most surely won't be retained by Seattle after the additions of Branch and Burleson, and IMO he is one of the better WR3s in the league. I was high on Kevin Walter in the preseason, but he has mostly disappeared in our offense.

Question: Why would you go out and try to get a #3 to be behind Moulds and AJ when you just went out and got one and only had to give up a 7th round pick. Personally think it would be a waste to invest there when the Texans cannot run 3 WR sets in a game. You have seen what Kevin can do when they use the 3WR sets, the WR corps as a whole become a threat, then you just have to block for Carr as you do not have the extra RB or TE in there to help with the blitzs'

I still think the current WR group could be top 10 or better with Carr more time of a QB that does not hone in on one guy the and doesn't make his reads. Now I have to give credit, he was doing that against the Jags, I just hope he continues to do it and gain a comfort level in there and know he has a certain amount of time in his head to get rid of that ball.

GO TEXANS!!!

dalemurphy
10-23-2006, 03:57 PM
I can't believe nobody is mentioning this guy- but if we pursued a FA Rb, it would definitely be... Ladell Betts! He would fit perfectly in this system and I think he's a very good Rb.

tburdette
10-23-2006, 05:44 PM
I can't believe nobody is mentioning this guy- but if we pursued a FA Rb, it would definitely be... Ladell Betts! He would fit perfectly in this system and I think he's a very good Rb.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Betts would be a great pickup for us and earlier this year we saw what he could do when given a chance.

taxman
10-24-2006, 11:44 AM
QB
Quarterback is not a concern for me.. i love the way that David is playing right now..

HB
I would normally go for Michael Turner in any other situation but i have confience in Kub and picking the proper running back and with Lundy showing flashes and a decent class of HBs coming out in the draft.. that's not as much of a concern as other positions.

WR
I wouldn't mind seeing us bring in another nice reciever like Kelly Washington or Kevin Curtis, someone we could put at the 3rd or 4th reciever for right now. Cause as much as I hate to say it Eric Moulds won't be around forever and we will need someone to take over the number 2 spot.. I love Washington's size and strength and I love Kevin Curtis's speed and route running.

TE is not one of my worries..

OL
Dwayne Carswell is one of Shanahan/Kubiak's guys and I would love to have him here blocking for us next year. former TE turned OL good speed and quickness off the line.

DL
I'm relatively satisfied with our DL. We all just need to keep working as a unit and stay competetive and smart up front.

LB I would like to see us another LB to this unit, I mean it's decent right now but you can never be too good at the LB position. None of the names on that list are going to be in our reach in our opinion. Maybe we could look at Patrick Willis, or Paul P from Penn St.

CB
I would love to have Nate Clements on the other side of D-Rob, some people think that he is having a rocky season or two but it's not just them.. it's the lack of pressure up front and the team is just nothing playing to well as a unit right now. I think he could come in and we could look down but sides of the field with him. Ashante Samuel also is a good corner I wouldn't mind seeing him.

S
I've always like Ken Hamlin he's coming off an injury but if we can get him for a cheap price and we should, then I would pick him up. Ever since he was at Arkansas i wanted him on this team. Decent Speed but he hits like a Mack Truck and motivates a defense when he's out there. I also like Michael Lewis pretty good speed and he's a good hitter and is often left wit a reciever in the blitz happy defense.

WR) Why would you want Kelly Washington on this team, when he played behind Kevin Walter at Cincinnati? That would not make any sense at all. Understanding that Carr hasn't had much time in the pocket, he still can't get the 3rd read on his receiver. With a better offensive line, he will be able to get that read. That is where you make your decision on the3rd WR. Keep in mind that the last 6 catches, Walter had 6 1st downs. What more can he do, if they don't throw to him. He's open many times.

michaelm
10-24-2006, 10:23 PM
Question: Why would you go out and try to get a #3 to be behind Moulds and AJ when you just went out and got one and only had to give up a 7th round pick. Personally think it would be a waste to invest there when the Texans cannot run 3 WR sets in a game. You have seen what Kevin can do when they use the 3WR sets, the WR corps as a whole become a threat, then you just have to block for Carr as you do not have the extra RB or TE in there to help with the blitzs'

I still think the current WR group could be top 10 or better with Carr more time of a QB that does not hone in on one guy the and doesn't make his reads. Now I have to give credit, he was doing that against the Jags, I just hope he continues to do it and gain a comfort level in there and know he has a certain amount of time in his head to get rid of that ball.

GO TEXANS!!!

I was real high on the Walter signing, but he hasn't really shown up like I expected, so far.
I know the offense still hasn't hit it's stride and he may yet live up to the expectations I had for him when he came over, and if that's the case, you're right, we don't need to make a move at that position.
My statement was more of a comment that I think Engram doesn't get recognition for his play as a WR3.
Hopefully the offense kicks it up a notch, and Walter has more opportunities. His performance hasn't been what I expected, but most of it may be due to the state of the offense as a whole.

threetoedpete
10-25-2006, 01:36 AM
Already had my rant on some of this stuff, so I'll leave it alone. Just think it's foolish to try to up grade stuff that doesn't need to be up graded. With our batting average on free agents, I think some of you would show a little more restraint.Our front three WR's are fine. Leave it alone. Irritates me to throw away move up ammo . If you want Micheal Turner draft Jamaal Charles or Garret Wolf in the fourth. If there are no hloes, Turner isn't going to fair any better than any rookie we draft.
Salaam goes down, you're going to come to Jesus I promise you.

And I dissagree with the assement that rookie DBs cannot play right away. I'd much ruther risk young mistakes than old legs. In five months we'll see.

michaelm
10-25-2006, 01:54 AM
Already had my rant on some of this stuff, so I'll leave it alone. Just think it's foolish to try to up grade stuff that doesn't need to be up graded. With our batting average on free agents, I think some of you would show a little more restraint.Our front three WR's are fine. Leave it alone. Irritates me to throw away move up ammo . If you want Micheal Turner draft Jamaal Charles or Garret Wolf in the fourth. If there are no hloes, Turner isn't going to fair any better than any rookie we draft.
Salaam goes down, you're going to come to Jesus I promise you.

And I dissagree with the assement that rookie DBs cannot play right away. I'd much ruther risk young mistakes than old legs. In five months we'll see.


If you're referring to the posts about Engram, you come off a little high strung to me. Engram could probably be had for cheap, maybe even WR4 money, and wouldn't jeopardize your move up ammo... plus, our free agent record has been better with the new staff...not to mention the fact that we are all just theorizing here... sorry for the lack of 'restraint', though...