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BuffSoldier
09-26-2004, 05:28 PM
This guy has been playin like a madman the first 3 games and running all over the defenses. In the first 3 games hes had 558 yards for 186 yards per game 6 TDs and an 8.7 yard per carry average. Not to mention 2 receptions with one for a TD.

I think hes the best RB in the nation and the second best player on the team(behind DJ who leads the big 12 in tackles). Hes got my Heisman vote so far.

If you think that CB or anybody else deseves the Heisman you can vote here
at the Heisman website (http://espn.go.com/ncf/heisman/) and contribute in the votring process.

Panther5407
09-26-2004, 07:48 PM
He's got a good chance for it but 2 of the 3 games weren't that much of a challenge. Playing Rice and North Texas early will always boost your numbers. I'm still betting Matt Leinhart wins it, but Bush looks really good too. The guy returns, runs and catches.

Fiddy
09-26-2004, 07:57 PM
Benson said he would rather win the Heisman than beat OU but he has to beat OU to win the Heisman...

texasguy346
09-26-2004, 08:02 PM
Given Texas' recent history against Stoops and OU Peterson might outgain Benson in the Red River Shootout. Reggie Bush is amazing. I don't know how much of a shot he has at the Heisman with the RB rotation out at USC, but if any underclassmen is going to win it will be him.

keyfro
09-27-2004, 11:18 AM
right now i would have to put my heisman board as this:

kyle ortan
cedric benson
antrell rolle
matt leinart
david pollack
david greene
that lineman from troy who ran in the touchdown :headbang:

wags
09-27-2004, 12:16 PM
Only one defensive player has ever won the Heisman, Charles Woodson. Woodson also returned punts and kicks, so I don't think a defensive guy has any shot. Another thing is that only juniors and seniors have won the Heisman, so Reggie Bush looks like a longshot. If Fitzgerald couldn't win as a soph, chances are Bush won't. I think that Orton kid is probably gonna win, and keep the tradition alive of Heisman QB's sucking it up in the NFL.

LonghornBabe
09-27-2004, 12:27 PM
It is too bad that the Heisman is a popularity contest instead of the best player in college football. I would love to see a defensive player win it! (Esp. D. Johnson from UT)

TheOgre
09-27-2004, 12:40 PM
I think if Benson has a good showing against OU (probably needs 100+ yards or a multiple TD day), then he has a good chance to do it.

longhornjag
09-28-2004, 12:32 PM
Playing well against OU is essential. If he does well in that game and Texas wins, I think he'll win it unless he just blows in the rest of the games (which i highly doubt). Also, i wanted to add that Rice coming into the last game had the second best rushing D in the nation and Arkie's isn't exactly a pushover either, so Benson has just been that good.

Huge
09-28-2004, 08:05 PM
There's a big difference between "2nd best" rush defense and "2nd ranked" rush defense.

keyfro
09-28-2004, 08:11 PM
yeah if the heisman was going to the best player in the country last year the finialist would be:

fitzgerald...the winner
talyor...first runner up and probably overall the best athlete out of the bunch
white...only because he's surrounded by nothing but pro talent
gallery...best lineman in the nation...why aren't lineman thought of for this award
winslow...has as much talent as taylor but more mouth

texasguy346
09-28-2004, 09:04 PM
Benson will probably have another big game against my Baylor Bears. We're playing at Austin, and that doesn't bode well for us considering the Texas fans outnumbered the Bears fans last year in Waco. I just want us to score some points :headbang: GO BEARS!

jr0ck
09-28-2004, 11:55 PM
like it was stated above, no heisman for cedric if no victory over OU. kinda ironic huh? and i don't even know if benson is the best back in the big 12. anyone forget about the "lil tank" at k-state, darren sproles?

longhornjag
09-29-2004, 04:03 PM
Huge: my bad. You are correct they were my no means the 2nd best defense only the 2nd highest ranked (against Hawaii:don't run the ball, and Houston).
Jrock: I think sproles lost his chance with a bad game against Fresno only getting 37 yds. That right there probably knocked him out.

LSUTIGER
09-29-2004, 05:09 PM
True in college football 37 yards for one game is not good, however look at Daren's other two games. 221 and 292. His total even with the horrible game his 550 yards. Cedrick is 558, so Ced is not that far and beyond Daren this year. Also look at some other stats. In all time Big 12 rushing leaders Daren is second all time behind your beloved Ricky, and if he has the same season he had last year he will pass him. I promise you that if he becomes the all time big 12 rushing leader he is a much bigger heisman hopefull than Cedric.

jr0ck
09-29-2004, 05:32 PM
longhornjag, i didn't mean sproles is still in the race (although theoritically he is), i just meant it could be easily argued sproles is the better back than benson. this season stats in three games:

ncaa rank-------------games-att--yds---avg---avg/gm-td

-----3---Cedric Benson--3----64--558---8.7----186.0--4

-----4---Darren Sproles--3----91--550---6.0----183.3--2

quite comprable if i do say so myself. here is a career comparison:

-------------------att---yds-----avg--td

Cedric Benson-----627---3,211---5.1---37

Darren Sproles-----662---4,211---6.4--36

both are excellenet backs, just thought i'd point out that sproles at least deserves the same recognition benson does, if not more.

Huge
09-29-2004, 08:10 PM
longhornjag, i didn't mean sproles is still in the race (although theoritically he is), i just meant it could be easily argued sproles is the better back than benson. this season stats in three games:

ncaa rank-------------games-att--yds---avg---avg/gm-td

-----3---Cedric Benson--3----64--558---8.7----186.0--4

-----4---Darren Sproles--3----91--550---6.0----183.3--2

quite comprable if i do say so myself. here is a career comparison:

-------------------att---yds-----avg--td

Cedric Benson-----627---3,211---5.1---37

Darren Sproles-----662---4,211---6.4--36

both are excellenet backs, just thought i'd point out that sproles at least deserves the same recognition benson does, if not more.

How can that be argued?

With 27 fewer carries, Benson has 8 more yards and twice as many TDs. He's averageing 2.7 yards more per carry than Sproles. If Benson had as many carries as Sproles, he'd be close to 800 yards on the season. That's not even close to being a comparison.

Sproles is a tremendous talent. And I'm sure if the two RBs switched teams their numbers would also change. But that's not going to help him when it comes time for voting.

LSUTIGER
09-29-2004, 09:10 PM
Your right that wont help when it comes time for voting, however what will help when it comes time for voting is records. If Daren stays on pace he will become the Big 12 all time leading rusher. He needs 1000 yards and with 8 games left that is very do able, esp. after his 1900 yard season last year. If he gets that record he has to jump way ahead of ced and most other continders for the heisman.

Panther5407
09-29-2004, 09:32 PM
How can that be argued?

With 27 fewer carries, Benson has 8 more yards and twice as many TDs. He's averageing 2.7 yards more per carry than Sproles. If Benson had as many carries as Sproles, he'd be close to 800 yards on the season. That's not even close to being a comparison.

Sproles is a tremendous talent. And I'm sure if the two RBs switched teams their numbers would also change. But that's not going to help him when it comes time for voting.

Touchdowns are decieving. Last weekend the Cy-Springs Panthers (HS Football) had something like this in a way. Our sophmore running back had 260 yards rushing. The other back had less than 10 yards but 3 touchdowns. You have to look at their abililty, mainly in tape.

BuffSoldier
09-29-2004, 10:01 PM
True in college football 37 yards for one game is not good, however look at Daren's other two games. 221 and 292. His total even with the horrible game his 550 yards. Cedrick is 558, so Ced is not that far and beyond Daren this year. Also look at some other stats. In all time Big 12 rushing leaders Daren is second all time behind your beloved Ricky, and if he has the same season he had last year he will pass him. I promise you that if he becomes the all time big 12 rushing leader he is a much bigger heisman hopefull than Cedric.

Thats true, but just like Cedy, Darren has played against 2 weak teams in its first 3 games as well, playing Western Kentucky and Louisiana-Lafayette. And though this wint show up in the stats, Benson plays for an offense that is less centered around him, VY gets his rushing yards and before Selvin Young got hurt, he got major playing time, like against NT when he had 107 yards to go along with Bensons 181. Add just 80 of those to Bensons and he has over 260 so thats a plus, he shares the ball and still breaks for his. Just look at the yards per carry average, more yards, less carries.

jr0ck
09-29-2004, 11:34 PM
How can that be argued?

so about a 1000yd difference in two equal length career's isn't arguable? or a 1.3yd avg difference?

And I'm sure if the two RBs switched teams their numbers would also change.

Benson plays for an offense that is less centered around him, VY gets his rushing yards and before Selvin Young got hurt, he got major playing time, like against NT when he had 107 yards to go along with Bensons 181. Add just 80 of those to Bensons and he has over 260 so thats a plus, he shares the ball and still breaks for his. Just look at the yards per carry average, more yards, less carries

im sure the numbers would switch to, and tying in the second quote, i think the difference in the production would be in even more favor of darren, who is arguably better at big plays from scrimmage. so your telling me that sproles isn't better than benson when he is 8 yds away from him right now and is the only thing about k-state's offense that strikes fear into opponents? and benson is better because his avg is higher and he is only one of the multiple threats texas has? so when opposing defense's can game plan against sproles as opposed to preparing for multiple offensive weapons at texas its in favor of darren because he touches the ball more? him being the focus of the offense means the offense AND defense knows he's getting the ball, whereas when you face texas, players are gonna get their numbers because no defense is perfect and there's alot more to worry about. so yes, when people over emphasize on vince, or are worried about the deep ball it helps cedric's avg. im really not trying to bash benson but i dont think he deserve's to be mentioned like he is in a total class by himself. hes elite, but not that elite.

Huge
09-30-2004, 12:56 PM
Your right that wont help when it comes time for voting, however what will help when it comes time for voting is records. If Daren stays on pace he will become the Big 12 all time leading rusher. He needs 1000 yards and with 8 games left that is very do able, esp. after his 1900 yard season last year. If he gets that record he has to jump way ahead of ced and most other continders for the heisman.

No it won't. BJ Symons broke several Big12 and national records last season playing at Tech. Where did he finish in the Heisman voting?

Touchdowns are decieving. Last weekend the Cy-Springs Panthers (HS Football) had something like this in a way. Our sophmore running back had 260 yards rushing. The other back had less than 10 yards but 3 touchdowns. You have to look at their abililty, mainly in tape.

I agree TD's can be deceiving. Jerome Bettis in Week 1 is another example. But do you think Ced belongs in this same category?

so about a 1000yd difference in two equal length career's isn't arguable? or a 1.3yd avg difference?

Look at their career numbers again...

Benson:
850 carries, 4,301 yards (5.1 avg), 49 TDs

Sproles:
662 carries, 4,218 yards (6.4 avg), 36 TDs

Those numbers include this season as well. It would seem Sproles is way behind in career TDs (and losing ground) and slightly behind in yards (but with a better average).

Now if the Heisman was based on a career, you MIGHT have a point. But it's a seasonal award.

Not that I think Benson deserves the Heisman right now. But he's certainly ahead of Sproles.

jr0ck
09-30-2004, 05:18 PM
Now if the Heisman was based on a career, you MIGHT have a point. But it's a seasonal award.
Not that I think Benson deserves the Heisman right now. But he's certainly ahead of Sproles.

i know the heisman is a seasonal award, awarded to the best player in college football (which is suppoesed to = most impact/value to a succesful team). i was trying, more or less to show that when considering career stats these two are at least equals, and that 3 games into the season isn't the way to seperate anyone from anyone else. sproles may be out of serious contention, but benson isn't doing enough to be ahead of orton, leinhart, or bush either.

i agree with your last statement, but if sproles had the same numbers but k-state beat fresno state, they would be about neck and neck.

Huge
09-30-2004, 07:37 PM
i know the heisman is a seasonal award, awarded to the best player in college football (which is suppoesed to = most impact/value to a succesful team). i was trying, more or less to show that when considering career stats these two are at least equals, and that 3 games into the season isn't the way to seperate anyone from anyone else. sproles may be out of serious contention, but benson isn't doing enough to be ahead of orton, leinhart, or bush either.

i agree with your last statement, but if sproles had the same numbers but k-state beat fresno state, they would be about neck and neck.
I agree that they're comparable players. I would even go so far as to say Sproles is the better RB. Well...he's a better running RB. I think he's (Sproles) has more talent and his career does match up with Benson.

He's just not having as good a year as Cedric. And it's really not close.

They've both played two cream puffs and padded their stats. In their one tough game so far (Arkansas for Texas...Fresno State for KSU), Benson carried his team and ran for 188 yards while Sproles managed just 37.

I also agree that Benson hasn't done anything to separate himself from the others you've mentioned. But honestly, what have they done to separate themselves in just 3 games?

Orton has put up some really good numbers but is it the system? He sure does have a lot of attempts (but it's a credit to him that he has yet to throw an INT).

Leinert has done a good job of getting the ball to his playmakers but how can anybody say he's the best player in the country when he's probably not even the best player on his team?

Bush is an underclassman...he can forget about winning the award. It's just not going to happen (see Larry Fitzgerald last season).

Jason White...again, is it the system and the surrounding talent or is just that good?

But I've always felt the same as what Longhornbabe stated earlier. Until they give defensive players more consideration, the award will be a joke.

jr0ck
10-01-2004, 02:16 AM
Until they give defensive players more consideration, the award will be a joke.

i think the only person who would disagree with this is a mr. charles woodson :hehe:

Huge
10-03-2004, 03:18 AM
Yeah, but Woodson would not have won had had he not returned punts, kick-offs and played offense. There have been more dominating collegiate CBs than Woodson that never sniffed the Heisman.