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David's Busted Carr
10-17-2006, 03:01 PM
I just don't get it. We have been AWFUL since our induction into the league and all our fan base does is make excuses. It makes no sense. Maybe this is why our team is a laughing stock, b/c the fans tolerate it.

Week after week it's pathetic to see our team get POUNDED and written off by all the other NFL franchises. "Oh it's just the Texans, that's an easy win".

And then to add insult to injury every week another move blows up in our face.

Todd Wade, Robaire Smith, Bennie Joppru, Jabar Gaffney, John Wells, Tony Hollings, Phillip Buchanon all RELEASED or LET GO.

These were ALL either high draft picks or huge free agents deals that we got NOTHING for.

Then to this day the majority of people on this board REFUSE to admit that passing on Reggie Bush was the biggest mistake this franchise has ever made, and one of the stupidest decisions in NFL history.

Forget stats and compaing Reggie and Mario, look at what really counts... THE RESULTS!

The Texans are 1-4, just as bad or worse than last year. And our defense (that Mario was supposed to ANCHOR) is last in the NFL.

The Saints are a LEGIT 5-1 (beating a team that manhandled us) and their offense is one of the best in the league.

How do you defend that? Where are your excuses? I'm just sick of it.

And go ahead, bash me, tell me how stupid I am, and make more excuses for them.... PROVE my POINT!

infantrycak
10-17-2006, 03:04 PM
Well this has to be the king of useless threads--"disagree with me and prove I'm right." Nice self-definitional delusion.

wags
10-17-2006, 03:12 PM
Well this has to be the king of useless threads--"disagree with me and prove I'm right." Nice self-definitional delusion.

Quit making excuses!!!!

BTW, that's a hell of an avatar for a Reggie Bush pimp.

FirstTexansFan
10-17-2006, 03:23 PM
I just don't get it. We have been AWFUL since our induction into the league and all our fan base does is make excuses. It makes no sense. Maybe this is why our team is a laughing stock, b/c the fans tolerate it.

I take from this you'll be suiting up Sunday? Can I request a few things?
I'd like to see alot of pressure from you on the opposing QB, and then when you're on offense, can you find the right hole and get us some yards? Please be sure to have some field vision as quarterback, because I'm sure someone else is open besides AJ, and finally, when standing on the sideline as the coach, holler alot and look emotional. This is a sure sign of a coach with a clue :) I ask of you all these things as a "tolerant fan" :)

Jerry Jones
10-17-2006, 03:40 PM
the guy is right, you are the laughingstocks of nfl..."and with the first pick in the 2007 nfl draft, The Houston Junior High Texans select....

Blu
10-17-2006, 03:43 PM
Your Cowboy love is bigger than that sock in your pants..do us all a favor and go home troll.

TEXANRED
10-17-2006, 03:50 PM
I just don't get it. We have been AWFUL since our induction into the league and all our fan base does is make excuses. It makes no sense. Maybe this is why our team is a laughing stock, b/c the fans tolerate it.
How do we tolerate it exactly? What do you propose we do? Not go to the games? Boo? Tell the team to take a hike? We tried that once already. See what it got us.

Todd Wade, Robaire Smith, Bennie Joppru, Jabar Gaffney, John Wells, Tony Hollings, Phillip Buchanon all RELEASED or LET GO.
Those are fine reasons why Cass and Co. are no longer here. These are past mistakes that are getting corrected.

Next.


Then to this day the majority of people on this board REFUSE to admit that passing on Reggie Bush was the biggest mistake this franchise has ever made, and one of the stupidest decisions in NFL history.
There is nothing to admit to. Williams was still the right choice. McCallister is still the starting running back, out preforming Bush, and having one hell of a season like he normally does. Bush isn't the key to the Saints. Brees and Colston along with Horn are the reasons they are winning. Oh not to mention they have a D that can hold onto leads.

Want to know what happens if you are all offense and no D? See Arizona Cardinals.


The Texans are 1-4, just as bad or worse than last year. And our defense (that Mario was supposed to ANCHOR) is last in the NFL.
Its all Mario's fault. If only he could play safety.....and OLB......and safety......he already plays tackle too.
The Saints are a LEGIT 5-1 (beating a team that manhandled us) and their offense is one of the best in the league.
Some say its VY who created drops of sunshine, but really I think it was Bush.
How do you defend that? Where are your excuses? I'm just sick of it.
I just listed them.

My Mom says you should get some rest when you are sick.

And go ahead, bash me, tell me how stupid I am, and make more excuses for them.... PROVE my POINT!
OK.

Have a bright and sunshiny day.

Second Honeymoon
10-17-2006, 03:51 PM
I feel your pain and agree that the Texans are an embarassing outfit currently with little hope of a swift turnaround.

However, this season we were somewhat doomed to failure. The defense is woefully untalented and the offense, though greatly improved, is still prone to key mistakes/penalties and turnovers. Drafting Mario was destined to get you less immediate impact and with our revolving door policy on veteran players we were destined to suck on defense...yet again.

As to your comment about everyone being brainwashed, I don't know if its that bad. Some people just support their team and rarely criticize even in really bad times (like now). Just wait a few more years of this brand and quality of football and I think we may see a few more unhappy campers around here and far less in Reliant's seats. I myself am on the fence this year because Kubiak has done pretty well with the Carr experiment and the schedule has been pretty rough. It's still early but the early returns are pretty disappointing.

We need a little luck in this next draft and hope that some of our youngsters (t.johnston, mario, demeco, dunta, cc, earl) can gel over time and turn us into a quality defense. As bad as things may seem, IT CAN BE DONE, only 4 years ago the Bears were embarassing and had little talent on either side of the ball. They made some good draft picks and some good resignings/FA moves and are now the talk of the NFL. I hope we try and emulate the Bears recent moves by going for defense first and then hoping the offense can do enough to start winning consistently, as I think its the way to go and less of a crapshoot.

Try and stay positive man, it could be a really long season...

doug from the woodlands

texflex513
10-17-2006, 03:55 PM
The saints O LINE is 20 times better than ours. Thats just one reason. There are many more but i will let others state the rest. I love my team i will forever stay optimistic no matter how bad we are and that does not mean i am brainwashed because i know how horrible we are lol.


:homer: X1000

The Pencil Neck
10-17-2006, 03:55 PM
I just don't get it. We have been AWFUL since our induction into the league and all our fan base does is make excuses. It makes no sense. Maybe this is why our team is a laughing stock, b/c the fans tolerate it.

Week after week it's pathetic to see our team get POUNDED and written off by all the other NFL franchises. "Oh it's just the Texans, that's an easy win".

And then to add insult to injury every week another move blows up in our face.

Todd Wade, Robaire Smith, Bennie Joppru, Jabar Gaffney, John Wells, Tony Hollings, Phillip Buchanon all RELEASED or LET GO.

These were ALL either high draft picks or huge free agents deals that we got NOTHING for.

Then to this day the majority of people on this board REFUSE to admit that passing on Reggie Bush was the biggest mistake this franchise has ever made, and one of the stupidest decisions in NFL history.

Forget stats and compaing Reggie and Mario, look at what really counts... THE RESULTS!

The Texans are 1-4, just as bad or worse than last year. And our defense (that Mario was supposed to ANCHOR) is last in the NFL.

The Saints are a LEGIT 5-1 (beating a team that manhandled us) and their offense is one of the best in the league.

How do you defend that? Where are your excuses? I'm just sick of it.

And go ahead, bash me, tell me how stupid I am, and make more excuses for them.... PROVE my POINT!

OK. Let me prove your point. Reggie Bush has been a good wide receiver and returner. Much better than I expected. As a running back, not so much. RB is not the reason the Saints are 5-1. The Saints are 5-1 because they've got a very good defense and because of Brees, McAllister, Colston, and Horn. RB is a very, very small part of that. I still think they made a mistake in picking him 2nd and I'm glad we didn't take him first. He would have been a Kijana Carter like bust.

Now... are the Texans a laughingstock? Yes, unfortunately they are. Are we happy about it? No. Are we "tolerating" it? Huh? How do you "not" tolerate it? We're fans. We're not the front office or the coaching staff. Do you stop being a fan because they suck and make bad moves? Are you saying that none of us should be cheering for our team? Are you brain damaged? It's not like we can make them make good moves or go back in time and stop them from making bad ones. We're reaping the rewards of years of incompetence. But they're still our team come hell and high water.

PBuch? No one's going to trade us anything for him. Joppru and all the others? Why should anyone trade us anything for those guys? They KNOW we're going to cut them and all they have to do is wait. How successful have those guys been since we let them go?

Try to make some sense before you post a BS message like this.

HomeBred_Texan
10-17-2006, 03:58 PM
I didn't know I was brainwashed...

I thought it was the buzz from the valiums I take every Sunday and Monday...:crutch:

hollywood_texan
10-17-2006, 04:02 PM
There is nothing to admit to. Williams was still the right choice. McCallister is still the starting running back, out preforming Bush, and having one hell of a season like he normally does. Bush isn't the key to the Saints. Brees and Colston along with Horn are the reasons they are winning. Oh not to mention they have a D that can hold onto leads.

Want to know what happens if you are all offense and no D? See Arizona Cardinals.


Did you watch the Monday Night game?

The Bears offense could only get a field goal, so the Arizona D did it's job!

The Arizona D forced six turnovers, held the Bears to 34 yards rushing and 134 yards passing. Meanwhile, the Arizona offense gave up two defensive touchdowns and had great field position several times because of the Arizona defense and only got field goals.

The blame is on the offense (but they were playing the Bears D, give them a break) and special teams because of the punt return for TD.

You got this one totally backwards!

Mr. White
10-17-2006, 04:03 PM
Who's really brainwashed? The long-suffering fan who sticks with his/her team because they've just accepted that as their lot in life...

...or the guy who can't get over Reggie Bush.

tsip
10-17-2006, 04:04 PM
"offense, though greatly improved..."

"These are past mistakes that are getting corrected."

Looking at the results of our first 5 games, how can the above be said? First, how is the offense greatly improved? Second, which past mistakes are getting corrected? I gotta hear the answers to these .....

Second Honeymoon
10-17-2006, 04:11 PM
Yeah, you can't stop being a fan because the team sucks. If you are not happy with product you vote with your feet and your wallet. McNair's investment is free falling in value as we speak and the more no-shows he gets the less money he makes and the less he can charge for ads, sponsorships, endorsements, etc. McNair is not a moron, he knows that the buzz is dying and the franchise is in pretty bad shape. Expect short leashes for this regime.

Speaking of short leashes, we need to put our whole defensive staff on one right now....the lack of defense is a joke.

Second Honeymoon
10-17-2006, 04:18 PM
"offense, though greatly improved..."

Looking at the results of our first 5 games, how can the above be said? First, how is the offense greatly improved? Second, which past mistakes are getting corrected? I gotta hear the answers to these .....

The offense especially Carr has greatly improved from last years embarassing form. Regretfully, it didnt take much to improve from last year. The passing game is far superior this year and we have far less rushing talent compared to last year. We would have addressed our RB needs at the draft if there would have been any good RBs in the draft..... :)

I stand by my opinion that our offense is better this year though I am not satisfied or pleased with the outfit as a whole.

Doug ftw

Battle Red Flash
10-17-2006, 04:33 PM
I just don't get it. We have been AWFUL since our induction into the league and all our fan base does is make excuses. It makes no sense. Maybe this is why our team is a laughing stock, b/c the fans tolerate it.
Then to this day the majority of people on this board REFUSE to admit that passing on Reggie Bush was the biggest mistake this franchise has ever made, and one of the stupidest decisions in NFL history.
Forget stats and compaing Reggie and Mario, look at what really counts... THE RESULTS!
The Texans are 1-4, just as bad or worse than last year. And our defense is last in the NFL.
The Saints are a LEGIT 5-1.

What would you have us do? Burn down the stadium?
I don't know what you mean by Texan fans tolerating being bad. I've seen many posts on this site complaining about the drafting and free agents. I've heard complainng on the radio shows. We complained so much, they fired Casserly and Capers and his inept staff. I think this was because of fan backlash.
Passing on Reggie Bush was not nearly the biggest mistake this franchise has made. That would be either the Babin deal or the Buchanon deal.
The Saints are a legit 5-1 this year. You are right. But Bush has little to do with it. Deuce is running wild, and Bush is not. They have the same O-line.
To say Bush is better than Mario purely based on the team's record is laughable. The Texan's D blows because of weak LB's, very weak DB's, and overall weak D-Line play. This is because of horrible drafting by the guys we fired! They are gone. We did not tolerate it.
Now there will be some growing pains because Kubiak is now getting rid of the dead wood Casserly gave us. That's called "not tolerating it".
But, even though the team is bad, I'm still going to tailgate and enjoy the games. We'll upset some people this year, you'll see. And, we can't get worse! Can we?

Battle Red Flash
10-17-2006, 04:37 PM
the guy is right, you are the laughingstocks of nfl..."and with the first pick in the 2007 nfl draft, The Houston Junior High Texans select....

The Texans have the same chance as Dallas of going to the Super Bowl this year. ZERO.
Philly, New Orleans, Seattle, Chicago, Carolina are clearly better than the Cowboys.
You keep riding them 5 Super Bowls, you won't see another soon.

TEXANRED
10-17-2006, 04:40 PM
Did you watch the Monday Night game?

The Bears offense could only get a field goal, so the Arizona D did it's job!

The Arizona D forced six turnovers, held the Bears to 34 yards rushing and 134 yards passing. Meanwhile, the Arizona offense gave up two defensive touchdowns and had great field position several times because of the Arizona defense and only got field goals.

The blame is on the offense (but they were playing the Bears D, give them a break) and special teams because of the punt return for TD.

You got this one totally backwards!

I am super ecstatic that is all you go from that.

Really, you should see the joy on my face.

HomeBred_Texan
10-17-2006, 04:44 PM
We'll upset some people this year, you'll see. And, we can't get worse! Can we?

Dang, I wished you wouldn't have said that. We still have Tennessee and Oakland to play...

Don't go jinxing us yet....

Must be time for another couple of valiums...

Doug
10-17-2006, 04:46 PM
Although I have a tendency to get caught up in the hype from time to time I like to think I'm pretty level headed about this team the majority of the time. I do feel though that without the homers, optimists, etc. this board wouldn't be worth a flip and I myself would probably only check in maybe once a week to get some insight on particular moves, draft picks, etc. I believe it was Luv Ya Blue that mentioned in a previous thread a while back that it takes every kind of fan for this team to make this board what it is and I completely agree with that. I like the way this board is and the types of fans it's comprised of.

kcwilson
10-17-2006, 04:50 PM
We need a little luck in this next draft and hope that some of our youngsters (t.johnston, mario, demeco, dunta, cc, earl) can gel over time and turn us into a quality defense.

YEAH! Tell the Steelers to stop hogging all the luck during the draft!!! They always seem to not share the luck!

Jerks.

As much as this is a nit picky thing to point out, I think we just need time for our Gm to put his stamp on the team. Kubiak was sharing a brain with Casserly last year, and Smith had no say whatsoever, so he hasn't had the time to evaluate talent for this team/scheme. Kubiak has, but we are all not 100% sure what impact asserly... oops, typo, Casserly.... had.

WWJD
10-17-2006, 04:52 PM
I think most Houston fans remember what it was like without a team.

I wouldn't call it brainwashed; people make conscious decisions to post here, to buy tickets, to buy merchandise.

It's called loyalty.

I had season tickets to the Cowboys when they went 1-15 and went to every single game and stayed for every single snap. And eventually I had the same seats to teams that won championships.

It's called being there when they're down and being there when they're good.

These Texans will come around. It's been slow for sure but they'll get there one day!

kcwilson
10-17-2006, 04:59 PM
I think most Houston fans remember what it was like without a team.

I wouldn't call it brainwashed; people make conscious decisions to post here, to buy tickets, to buy merchandise.

It's called loyalty.

I had season tickets to the Cowboys when they went 1-15 and went to every single game and stayed for every single snap. And eventually I had the same seats to teams that won championships.

It's called being there when they're down and being there when they're good.

These Texans will come around. It's been slow for sure but they'll get there one day!

This is true... as a California native, I truly have no affinity to Houston or Texans for that matter. But upon losing out to Houston in the last expansion, I loved football, but hated the Commitment to Mediocrity that I am always exposed to in L.A.

I started fresh with the Texans and really came to appreciate what it took to build a franchise, learn a little about a new community, visit a new community and truly enjoy that community. I'd travel to Houston anytime to see a game that I could because of the camaraderie of the community and its fans.

It is good to know that there are others here that feel the pain you do when the Texans lose, very therapuetic, but also be able to objectively discuss what it would take to make the team better and then feel gratified when we do win.

Such is life, when you are down, you got to push through to the other side to make it better. Anyone can root for the winner, but then I think you miss out on the camaraderie and reward of loyalty.

Go Detroit Tigers! Oh wait, nevermind. :sarcasm:

cuppacoffee
10-17-2006, 05:04 PM
How do you defend that? Where are your excuses? I'm just sick of it.

And go ahead, bash me, tell me how stupid I am, and make more excuses for them.... PROVE my POINT!

Feel better now? Your :crying: will do about as much good as our "excuses".

This board should care that you are "sick of it"?

We all come here to discuss our chosen team. :logo:

I think we all feel as bad about the losses as you do. We could choose :crying: but we choose to look for any positives we can find.

Our therapy is to discuss what went wrong and who/what we need to fix it.

You have chosen to turn a blind eye to one of the biggest improvements on the team. I personally am a little sick of that, but that doesn't stop it now, does it?

I don't think the Texans are holding anyone captive. We can all cheer or not. Make your choice, just don't try to make mine for me.

:coffee:

tsip
10-17-2006, 05:07 PM
The offense especially Carr has greatly improved from last years embarassing form. Regretfully, it didnt take much to improve from last year. The passing game is far superior this year and we have far less rushing talent compared to last year. We would have addressed our RB needs at the draft if there would have been any good RBs in the draft..... :)

I stand by my opinion that our offense is better this year though I am not satisfied or pleased with the outfit as a whole.

Doug ftw

We've gained 26 more yds this year and have scored 18 more pts, so-yes-we're better stat wise...but I think 'greatly improved' is kinda stretching it...just a little bit

Runner
10-17-2006, 05:09 PM
We've gained 26 more yds this year and have scored 18 more pts, so-yes-we're better stat wise...

Faint praise indeed.

Mysteryhunt
10-17-2006, 05:09 PM
we can't root for the home team because they aren't winning? i wasn't aware of that. plus the texans are positively successful compared to my alma mater...rice :crying:

Hookem Horns
10-17-2006, 10:42 PM
The Texans have the same chance as Dallas of going to the Super Bowl this year. ZERO.
Philly, New Orleans, Seattle, Chicago, Carolina are clearly better than the Cowboys.
You keep riding them 5 Super Bowls, you won't see another soon.

Don't forget the Giants which will be proven on Monday night.

Kaiser Toro
10-17-2006, 10:47 PM
We all needed our brains washed after the C&C Loser Factory was signing and coaching players.

David's Busted Carr
10-17-2006, 10:50 PM
What I expect people to do is not sit there and make excuses on this damn board for this team.

You people are right, the Texans are what they are and no amount of complaining will change it, BUT at least point out the facts, tell things how they are, and quit sugarcoating everything to make it seem OK.

That is what IRRITATES the heck out of me!

cuppacoffee
10-17-2006, 10:56 PM
What is the point if the front office does not even listen to the fans. All what starts is you don't agree with me, I don't agree with you, and blah blah blah.

Capers is gone. Casserly is gone. Most of the players from last year are gone.

Why do you feel the front office isn't listening?

Was there something or someone you wanted here that isn't here?

Someone still here that you wanted gone?

Let me guess, you didn't get what you wanted so that means nobody is listening.

And yes, there are many posters here who don't agree with each other.

So what does that prove?

:coffee:

Charter PSL Fan
10-17-2006, 10:59 PM
What I expect people to do is not sit there and make excuses on this damn board for this team.

You people are right, the Texans are what they are and no amount of complaining will change it, BUT at least point out the facts, tell things how they are, and quit sugarcoating everything to make it seem OK.

That is what IRRITATES the heck out of me!

You are correct! The Texans do suck, but if we had Reggie Bush we would still suck!

Wolf
10-17-2006, 11:05 PM
my frustration.

Boselli never came back from injury, Ryan Young was supposed to be an up and comer would have solidified this line for years... NOPE...5 years and we are still looking

Spencer..injured.. Winston still learning. Wade overpaid (released)and we move a RG to RT (weigart)...1st year we got a true Center.. and some say Flannigan is on the downside (who knows)


On the OL .. don't get me started.....

Defensively..basically traded 2 draft picks and Aaron Glenn for P-buch... (being Glenn didn't want to be #3)

Drafting.. we went boom or bust on that.. going on potential and lost that gamble repeatively.

With the new regime.. Kukiak deserves more time, I mean what did y'all expect? new scheme offensively

and defensively? whole new scheme,terminology and it would take time to get the guys to go from 3-4 to 4-3

who knew DD wouldn't play this season.. I thought DD was a solid NFL player, but after seeing our backs this season.. boy do I miss him.. heck I miss Wells also.

my frustration is almost everythread turns into a VY versus Carr and/or a RB versus MW .. you know what.. we all basically knew before the draft that neither one was coming. many threads talked about the money given to Carr to extend his contract and also the extension of DD would not bring those two here draft day..

ok done ranting.

What the Texans have done right.. Got new coaches/GM ... many moves will make us shake our heads right now (including me)but Kubiak said at the begining, he is bringing guys in that will fit his system.

Texanfan4ever
10-17-2006, 11:20 PM
The offense especially Carr has greatly improved from last years embarassing form. Regretfully, it didnt take much to improve from last year. The passing game is far superior this year and we have far less rushing talent compared to last year. We would have addressed our RB needs at the draft if there would have been any good RBs in the draft..... :)

I stand by my opinion that our offense is better this year though I am not satisfied or pleased with the outfit as a whole.

Doug ftw

Just think if Capers had helped Carr and let him throw like he is now to AJ over the last couple yea, when we at least had a 'little" bit of defense to go along with it,and we had a running game too. We would have won a lot more games.

Texanfan4ever
10-17-2006, 11:22 PM
What I expect people to do is not sit there and make excuses on this damn board for this team.

You people are right, the Texans are what they are and no amount of complaining will change it, BUT at least point out the facts, tell things how they are, and quit sugarcoating everything to make it seem OK.

That is what IRRITATES the heck out of me!


Then go somewhere else where everyone is negative. You HAVE a choice.

Wolf
10-17-2006, 11:25 PM
Corey's best year 697 yards on 45 receptions in 2002..(as basically a #1 WR)

after AJ was drafted his best year ...24 receptions 460 yards


http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12234

moulds so far...22 receptions 274 yards in 5 games
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1196

Moulds doesn't have the YPC, but much more reliable.

But also not sure if Dom would know how to use AJ/Moulds together :cool:

camisgirl
10-17-2006, 11:27 PM
It's not a matter of brainwashing. I think they are just being loyal. With all the negative everyone says about the team someone's got to stick up for them and believe in them. IMHO

whiskeyrbl
10-17-2006, 11:42 PM
It is true our team sucks for now. However I went ahead and purchased season tickets 2 weeks ago. Why? Because this is the team I chose to back and will stick with them thru thick and thin. Now for what I guess you are asking, I am not brainwashed, I see the bad and here it every week from the local Cowgirl fans, so why not look at the few bright spots and look for that foundation and leadership we so desperatley need. Mario Williams, has been slow to come around however I have seen constant improvement from game to game(OK maybe not your #1 pick), he was our teams and I see dividends coming. Demeco Ryans, probably the best Def. Rookie up to this point in the NFL, ang getting better every week, N.D. Kalu seems to have been a good P/U. Carr seems better than last year, AJ is AJ, Moulds is getting what is thrown at him, Daniels looks like a promising TE. As for the rest(the bad) get your local chronicle and read the McLain or Justice articles,they tell you about it every day.

Sco-tai
10-17-2006, 11:49 PM
It IS called being loyal. And if you feel the need to come to the TEXANS MESSAGEBOARD and insult those of us who chose to support our team through thick and thin, then perhaps you should consider some new hobbies and/or internet sites to visit.

I mean, what kind of fans would we be if all we did is complain and say how terrible the Texans are?

Sure, we have made some horrible decisions/trades...(see P-buch)...but what good does it do ANYONE if we merely focus on the negative.

Understand...the HOUSTON TEXANS are a sports team. Sports are meant to entertain. If we wanna focus on ONLY negative things, we can hang around people like you. But if we want to be A FAN...then we will be HONEST about our mistakes...but NOT merely focus on them. How entertaining is that?!?!?

You live, learn....and work harder to improve.

Are you one of those I D I O T S that sit in the back seat and complain the whole trip...but you're the only one that doesn't chip in for gas, meals or beer?

Leave the REAL FANS alone. And when we're 10 - 6 or 12 - 4 in 2 or 3 seasons, just remember...we're all dilusional and we don't deserve your company.....so go elsewhere.

Now...don't you have some HALO 2 tournament or something to go do?

Shoo fly.

LORK 88
10-17-2006, 11:55 PM
Here's the true question: whats the point of being over negative and acting like a depressed teen? Nothing good comes from it rather than personal satisfaction of hating on your favorite team which to me shows nothing more than having zero faith. As long as I have reason to be optimistic, I will be!!

Texans_Chick
10-18-2006, 12:01 AM
Brainwashed???????

By whom? Most of the media trashes everything that the Texans do. Not that they usually give reasons for the trashing--most of the discussion of the Texans is of the Don Rickles variety--high on insults, low on actual analysis.

Here's an "excuse" you would hate to hear, or maybe just some reality. The Texans have played the 4th hardest schedule in the league, and it ain't getting much easier this week. See chart at bottom of link (http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff.php). (New Orleans, in case you care, has played the 22nd hardest schedule).

If you look at just position by position matchups against each team the Texans have played, the they should be 0-5. (Despite the Dolphins' problems, their defense is ranked highly (http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-TOTAL/2006/regular?sort_col_1=4)).

In a sixteen game schedule, strength of schedule matters in figuring out who does well. Seems obvious, but in case you don't believe me, check out this link (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/wordpress/?p=59). The Texans are in the AFC South, so they are going to have to just deal with it.

Am I suggesting that the Texans are an awesome team? No. They have lost 4 games, and lost most of those in disappointing fashion. In most games the Texans will play, the other team will have better players at most of the positions. It just so happens that the team is learning a bunch of new stuff at a time it is facing some good teams.

The Texans have played like a team that doesn't have all the players it needs and like they are learning a new system against good competition. They have moments of competency and moments of boneheadedness. I am guessing the reason why the Texans first offensive drives have tended to be the best ones is that the team feels comfortable with the scripted plays and can just play and not think.

There are some good things the Texans have done and some bad things. You make enough decisions, you will make some good and bad ones. Some decisions you can judge quickly, but most you can't.

If you are already in a hole, it is easier for your decisions to not work for you. (For example, there are few players good enough to succeed no matter what situation they are put in. Rookies tend to play better when they are surrounded by an already successful situation.)

So, if I don't fly off the handle after every loss, I don't see how it is evidence of brainwashing. It is certainly not a sign of acceptance, but rather embracing reality. It is hard to find reality in sports, especially in an age of hype, but at least me personally, I search for it every day. Because it is interesting. As a fan, I find it helpful not to get too high or too low--players do best by doing the same thing.

And why do I love this team that is often disappointing? That is like asking a parent why they love their children.

The Pencil Neck
10-18-2006, 12:09 AM
What I expect people to do is not sit there and make excuses on this damn board for this team.

You people are right, the Texans are what they are and no amount of complaining will change it, BUT at least point out the facts, tell things how they are, and quit sugarcoating everything to make it seem OK.

That is what IRRITATES the heck out of me!


Ooooo... kay.

I'm still not following you, though. If you look at the the polls done on this board before the season, most of the people are expecting 4-6 wins and most people expected us to lose most of the games we've lost so far. Going in to the season, everyone knew that the first part of our season was going to be brutal and it has been. Personally, I've stuck by 5-11 since the pre-season.

I think most of us thought we'd be getting better defensive line play and that we'd have a better running attack. I don't think very many people expected Carr to play as well as he has so far.

So... what "excuses" are you talking about? Different people on this board like different players and different people think different moves were good or bad. We all have our opinions and everyone's can be judged by how closely they resembles mine but... how is that an "excuse"? The only excuse for how badly our team has played is that our team sucks; everything else is just smoke and mirrors. It's going to take time for our team to not suck anymore. That's just the way it is. We're going to have a chance to get a really good player in next year's draft. All you can do is grab your beverage of choice and some good snacks, find yourself a good, comfy place to watch the game, and yell your lungs out.

:wherewill

:texan:

infantrycak
10-18-2006, 12:11 AM
What I expect people to do is not sit there and make excuses on this damn board for this team.

You people are right, the Texans are what they are and no amount of complaining will change it, BUT at least point out the facts, tell things how they are, and quit sugarcoating everything to make it seem OK.

That is what IRRITATES the heck out of me!

So basically your position is people aren't complaining enough when only 90% of them are complaining.

Unreal. Hopefully you continue to be IRRITATED.

thunderkyss
10-18-2006, 12:19 AM
What would be a good reason to stop supporting a team??

Texans_Chick
10-18-2006, 12:30 AM
What would be a good reason to stop supporting a team??

When their donkey vulgarian owner clumsily demands a new stadium after the unpopular renovations to the old stadium haven't been paid off, and then moves the team away to a dinky market.

Like an ex you kick to the curb because they've been unfaithful with you, and have left you for a toothless bumpkin.

YRMV

thunderkyss
10-18-2006, 12:34 AM
When their donkey vulgarian owner clumsily demands a new stadium after the unpopular renovations to the old stadium haven't been paid off, and then moves the team away to a dinky market.

Like an ex you kick to the curb because they've been unfaithful with you, and have left you for a toothless bumpkin.

YRMV

Uh...... sounds like I hit a nerve..

whoops.

whotex8
10-18-2006, 12:58 AM
.....From Wikipedia
1. Brainwashing
The application of coercive techniques to change the beliefs or behavior of one or more people, usually for political or religious purposes.

2. Loyalty
Faithfulness or a devotion to a person or cause.
:gotexans1

There is a big difference between the two. I would have to say number 2 hands down! 100%.
"Don't Mess with TEXANS!"::hunter: :crutch:

South Texan
10-18-2006, 01:14 AM
I think most would agree the direction we were moving in under Capers took a wrong turn.
This year, half the starters gone, new coach, new system... I don't think it's totally unfair to say we are in the first year of a new franchise, for the second time.
Add to that - injuries.
Call it growing pains or whatever you want but I don't see us winning too many games this year, especially with our schedule.

As I see it, we have two choices:
Stick with the Texans through the thin while we get to the thick. Think of all the "remember whens" we will be able to tell.
OR
If you are too impatient and are only gratified with instant success, well,
:icon of finger pointing north toward Chicago:. (Hey, I didn't say which finger!!)

:wherewill

The Mighty Texan
10-18-2006, 06:10 AM
Brainwashed maybe maybe not but absolutely aggrivating...Yes they are! I wrote this earlier on a different post... I'm pretty disgusted about it. So here is my acceptance...

[/QUOTE]
Don't you love these "lose all the games so we can pick someone next year crowd?" What a crock! We had the number one pick THIS year and we blew it!! understand! we blew it... and as a reminder... getting the first pick is an embarrassment and absolute shame... that means we were LAST PLACE... again an embarassment!!! first, second, even the third year acceptable? maybe, but we are no longer an expansion team we are just a crappy team... WITH NO RUNNING GAME ( is my anger evidence of acceptance? Hell NO! I'm mad!)

I am Not used to losing and will never accept this next year crap... its been 5 years folks and all I hear is next year what a waste of time ...We had the first pick This year and we did nothing with it. so go figure!

Losers accept losing...
Winners NEVER accept losers or losing.

so far all I see is quiters and losers waiting for next year... [/QUOTE]

I'm with you bro I feel like hell after everygame and can't believe the acceptance. But, with that said: I do LOVE my Texans! And because I love them I will damn near cry every sunday... and be steaming mad on Monday...Unless they win...

I am The Mighty Texan and one day...

HOU-TEX
10-18-2006, 11:28 AM
Brainwashed maybe maybe not but absolutely aggrivating...Yes they are! I wrote this earlier on a different post... I'm pretty disgusted about it. So here is my acceptance...


Don't you love these "lose all the games so we can pick someone next year crowd?" What a crock! We had the number one pick THIS year and we blew it!! understand! we blew it... and as a reminder... getting the first pick is an embarrassment and absolute shame... that means we were LAST PLACE... again an embarassment!!! first, second, even the third year acceptable? maybe, but we are no longer an expansion team we are just a crappy team... WITH NO RUNNING GAME ( is my anger evidence of acceptance? Hell NO! I'm mad!)

I am Not used to losing and will never accept this next year crap... its been 5 years folks and all I hear is next year what a waste of time ...We had the first pick This year and we did nothing with it. so go figure!

Losers accept losing...
Winners NEVER accept losers or losing.

so far all I see is quiters and losers waiting for next year... [/QUOTE]

I'm with you bro I feel like hell after everygame and can't believe the acceptance. But, with that said: I do LOVE my Texans! And because I love them I will damn near cry every sunday... and be steaming mad on Monday...Unless they win...

I am The Mighty Texan and one day...[/QUOTE]

I'm using this as my new signature. Hope you don't mind because I feel the same way.

Mr teX
10-18-2006, 12:02 PM
I just don't get it. We have been AWFUL since our induction into the league and all our fan base does is make excuses. It makes no sense. Maybe this is why our team is a laughing stock, b/c the fans tolerate it.

Week after week it's pathetic to see our team get POUNDED and written off by all the other NFL franchises. "Oh it's just the Texans, that's an easy win".

And then to add insult to injury every week another move blows up in our face.

Todd Wade, Robaire Smith, Bennie Joppru, Jabar Gaffney, John Wells, Tony Hollings, Phillip Buchanon all RELEASED or LET GO.
These were ALL either high draft picks or huge free agents deals that we got NOTHING for.

Then to this day the majority of people on this board REFUSE to admit that passing on Reggie Bush was the biggest mistake this franchise has ever made, and one of the stupidest decisions in NFL history.
Forget stats and compaing Reggie and Mario, look at what really counts... THE RESULTS!

The Texans are 1-4, just as bad or worse than last year. And our defense (that Mario was supposed to ANCHOR) is last in the NFL.

The Saints are a LEGIT 5-1 (beating a team that manhandled us) and their offense is one of the best in the league.
How do you defend that? Where are your excuses? I'm just sick of it.

And go ahead, bash me, tell me how stupid I am, and make more excuses for them.... PROVE my POINT!


The 1st bolded were moves that either began or made or had something to do with the previous regime, & last time I checked we have a new coach. That alone is reason for some kind of optimism.

The 2nd, it's too early to tell what wil be. The Saints probably would be 5-1/4-2 without RB, to deny that is just to ignore all the changes that they made in the offseason. Furthermore, everyone who watches NFL football knows that the Saints were underachieving.

i know you're frustrated that we're a look-past game on everyone's schedule, but in my case I'm going to support them regardless. I won't make excuses for bad play, they have been playing horribly, But i think that the coaching staff is now in place to make some things happen.

WWJD
10-18-2006, 12:08 PM
That post needs to be sticky-ed somewhere permenantly. That is what being a TRUE fan is all about. :redtowel:

Thanks! I appreciate the nice words.

threetoedpete
10-18-2006, 12:28 PM
I just don't get it. We have been AWFUL since our induction into the league and all our fan base does is make excuses. It makes no sense. Maybe this is why our team is a laughing stock, b/c the fans tolerate it.

Week after week it's pathetic to see our team get POUNDED and written off by all the other NFL franchises. "Oh it's just the Texans, that's an easy win".

And then to add insult to injury every week another move blows up in our face.

Todd Wade, Robaire Smith, Bennie Joppru, Jabar Gaffney, John Wells, Tony Hollings, Phillip Buchanon all RELEASED or LET GO.

These were ALL either high draft picks or huge free agents deals that we got NOTHING for.

Then to this day the majority of people on this board REFUSE to admit that passing on Reggie Bush was the biggest mistake this franchise has ever made, and one of the stupidest decisions in NFL history.

Forget stats and compaing Reggie and Mario, look at what really counts... THE RESULTS!

The Texans are 1-4, just as bad or worse than last year. And our defense (that Mario was supposed to ANCHOR) is last in the NFL.

The Saints are a LEGIT 5-1 (beating a team that manhandled us) and their offense is one of the best in the league.

How do you defend that? Where are your excuses? I'm just sick of it.

And go ahead, bash me, tell me how stupid I am, and make more excuses for them.... PROVE my POINT!


No bashing here. Just pointing out that if you feel that strongly about it, maybe you should move to Lousiana and get Saints season tickets. I mean do you want to be right or be happy ? I'm happy. I know Bush will bust out. I know he will be a good player for a few seasons. I'm content and greatfull that we passed by the king of the swamp. I'm greatful and content we passed by Vincent. Both are living up to my expectations of them. One touch down after five weeks for fifty something millon is not a good deal in my book. And Vincent still can't pass the football. I'm happy. Not our fault you are not.

TexanBearkat
10-18-2006, 01:57 PM
Wow, I did not realize I was brainwashed. Just thought I was a true fan of the Texans, a PSL and season ticket holder since day 1. What the hell is there to sugarcoat? The Texans right now are an awful team, even a fan of the team can acknowledge that. Mario Williams is not one of the worst draft picks in history. If he is then Reggie is right behind him. Why not try giving each of these guys a couple of years before you start talking about them from a historical perspective. Truth be told Reggie Bush at this point of his illustrious career reminds me of Dave Megget. Bush could not score twice from the 2 yard line and has a 3 yard per carry average. I will continue to support this team because I believe steps are being taken to become a better football team in the future. If you can't deal with that well I really don't give a damn

Sincerely,
Lloyd
True Texans Fan
Section 136

ridn4_8
10-18-2006, 02:39 PM
I hate to think I am brainwashed.....

I think the thing we all have to remember is we have a new coach bringing in a whole new system. Kubiak is trying to improve on what he has to work with...which can be tough to say the least. I am holding on to hope that he will bring this team around in a couple seasons.
Keep in mind that he comes to the Texans from under the tutelage of Mike Shanahan of Denver. Shanahan inherited a damn good team, but it took him 2 seasons to get to the Playoffs, only improving the team by one game from the previous season (7-9 to 8-8), then gettin a Playoff spot the next season.
Maybe Kubiak can do the same, maybe not. All I say is the plan has worked on another team, just give it a chance and a little time to be ironed out here, before we start bashing ourselves for being "blindly" loyal to a team that may not be adequate for the job...

edo783
10-18-2006, 03:20 PM
Velcome comrade to stalag 13. Ve do valls are vain vashing at our Relient vacility...Da.

camisgirl
10-18-2006, 03:43 PM
What would be a good reason to stop supporting a team??

The only thing I can think of is if they move cities.

Nbkan
10-18-2006, 03:50 PM
Must be time for another couple of valiums...

I already ate all of em.

keyser
10-18-2006, 04:47 PM
What would be a good reason to stop supporting a team??

How about when the team ownership decides to bring in players who are lockerroom cancers, show no respect for the team or fans, and have actually insulted the team and fans as much as they could. Basically, when the team includes people who, if you actually care about the team, you could never support.

For me, a lifelong Cowboys fan, the TO signing did it. That's why I'm now supporting the Texans instead.

Vinny
10-18-2006, 04:48 PM
No way I'd drop the Texans for signing TO or any other elite player. I don't get that logic myself.

HOU-TEX
10-18-2006, 04:56 PM
No way I'd drop the Texans for signing TO or any other elite player. I don't get that logic myself.

I would never stop rooting for the Texans over one player. As a true fan I would think you'd root for the organization/Team. Although a person like TO can easily disrupt team chemistry, not that we have it now, it's not worth dropping the whole organization because of it.:twocents:

keyser
10-18-2006, 06:21 PM
I would never stop rooting for the Texans over one player. As a true fan I would think you'd root for the organization/Team. Although a person like TO can easily disrupt team chemistry, not that we have it now, it's not worth dropping the whole organization because of it.:twocents:

And, plenty of Cowboys fans felt the same way - they're still fans now. But, it comes down in part to why you support the team. For many, there's more to being a fan of a team than just geography - the players, coaches, and general image/attitude were all part of what made me a fan. TO was more than just an annoying player - his star antics were intended as and taken as an insult to both the team and fans (and it's not like he ever showed any real regret for doing so). To many fans of the team, signing him was the equivalent of being willing to sell the soul of the team.

I'm not alone - in the Cowboys groups I was (and to a lesser extent still am) following, there were others for whom the TO signing was the last straw, and who have quit supporting the team. Letters and email postings to some other websites indicated several other people in the same boat.

For the Texans, I don't think that there are any players (including TO) in the same boat - players who have unapologetically insulted the Texans and the Houston fans. So, it's tough to compare. It's different, but it would be kind of like the New York Mets signing John Rocker (and he, at least, did apologize, several times) - I would imagine that several Mets fans would quit supporting the team if he were signed.

camisgirl
10-18-2006, 07:11 PM
How about when the team ownership decides to bring in players who are lockerroom cancers, show no respect for the team or fans, and have actually insulted the team and fans as much as they could. Basically, when the team includes people who, if you actually care about the team, you could never support.

For me, a lifelong Cowboys fan, the TO signing did it. That's why I'm now supporting the Texans instead.

Can't say as I blame ya there.

WWJD
10-18-2006, 07:15 PM
I would never stop rooting for the Texans over one player. As a true fan I would think you'd root for the organization/Team. Although a person like TO can easily disrupt team chemistry, not that we have it now, it's not worth dropping the whole organization because of it.:twocents:

Yep!

NFLforher
10-18-2006, 08:07 PM
Then to this day the majority of people on this board REFUSE to admit that passing on Reggie Bush was the biggest mistake this franchise has ever made, and one of the stupidest decisions in NFL history. PROVE my POINT!

Don't lump me in with your "majority."
IMO, it was the height of idiocy to pass on Reggie. There, do you feel better?

CHS
10-18-2006, 10:36 PM
I just don't get it. We have been AWFUL since our induction into the league and all our fan base does is make excuses. It makes no sense. Maybe this is why our team is a laughing stock, b/c the fans tolerate it.

Week after week it's pathetic to see our team get POUNDED and written off by all the other NFL franchises. "Oh it's just the Texans, that's an easy win".

And then to add insult to injury every week another move blows up in our face.

Todd Wade, Robaire Smith, Bennie Joppru, Jabar Gaffney, John Wells, Tony Hollings, Phillip Buchanon all RELEASED or LET GO.

These were ALL either high draft picks or huge free agents deals that we got NOTHING for.

Then to this day the majority of people on this board REFUSE to admit that passing on Reggie Bush was the biggest mistake this franchise has ever made, and one of the stupidest decisions in NFL history.

Forget stats and compaing Reggie and Mario, look at what really counts... THE RESULTS!

The Texans are 1-4, just as bad or worse than last year. And our defense (that Mario was supposed to ANCHOR) is last in the NFL.

The Saints are a LEGIT 5-1 (beating a team that manhandled us) and their offense is one of the best in the league.

How do you defend that? Where are your excuses? I'm just sick of it.

And go ahead, bash me, tell me how stupid I am, and make more excuses for them.... PROVE my POINT!

I don't know if anyone else noticed this but Deuce left the field Sun. As he left I was thinking now we'll see what Bush can do as the no 1 Rb. I can't remember how many plays he missed but Stecker was in at Rb not Bush.
Not to say he won't be good but I don't think Bush is the slam dunk everyone though he would be. We would be 1-4 with or without him!

Kaiser Toro
10-18-2006, 10:38 PM
I don't know if anyone else noticed this but Deuce left the field Sun. As he left I was thinking now we'll see what Bush can do as the no 1 Rb. I can't remember how many plays he missed but Stecker was in at Rb not Bush.
Not to say he won't be good but I don't think Bush is the slam dunk everyone though he would be. We would be 1-4 with or without him!


Welcome to the board, good post.

CHS
10-18-2006, 10:41 PM
Welcome to the board, good post.

Thanks, Only 6815 more and I'll catch up.

BigDTexansFan
10-18-2006, 10:59 PM
I just don't get it. We have been AWFUL since our induction into the league and all our fan base does is make excuses. It makes no sense. Maybe this is why our team is a laughing stock, b/c the fans tolerate it.

Week after week it's pathetic to see our team get POUNDED and written off by all the other NFL franchises. "Oh it's just the Texans, that's an easy win".

And then to add insult to injury every week another move blows up in our face.

Todd Wade, Robaire Smith, Bennie Joppru, Jabar Gaffney, John Wells, Tony Hollings, Phillip Buchanon all RELEASED or LET GO.

These were ALL either high draft picks or huge free agents deals that we got NOTHING for.

Then to this day the majority of people on this board REFUSE to admit that passing on Reggie Bush was the biggest mistake this franchise has ever made, and one of the stupidest decisions in NFL history.

Forget stats and compaing Reggie and Mario, look at what really counts... THE RESULTS!

The Texans are 1-4, just as bad or worse than last year. And our defense (that Mario was supposed to ANCHOR) is last in the NFL.

The Saints are a LEGIT 5-1 (beating a team that manhandled us) and their offense is one of the best in the league.

How do you defend that? Where are your excuses? I'm just sick of it.

And go ahead, bash me, tell me how stupid I am, and make more excuses for them.... PROVE my POINT!


I got one point for you slick, exit door is that way. no one here is saying it is all flowers and sunshine, but if you here just for wins and prestige you got your head up your parts I can't say.

Green Bay Packers are some of the most loyal fans in NFL, Last Super Bowl before Favre 29 years...that's right Junior TWENTY-NINE YEARS. Sure some fans came and some left...but a vast majority BELIEVED in their team.

let me ask you what do you want, wins, respect, fear, bragging rights...then send me your email address will hook you up with some Cowgirl fans I know...they feel same way you do.

I am here to be a Houston Texans fan, I was interviewed by Ted Oberg of KTRK before last years preseason game. I told him and I am telling you "if we go 0-16, I am still here".

I am not here just to win and be respected and feared....I am here because Bob McNair brought a team to Houston and promised to do all he can to make them a winner, have mistakes been made..is the Pope Catholic, do Panda Bears live in the woods.

Surely you are not putting yourself forth as an example of perfection, because that doesn't exist there is no such thing as perfection. You, Me everyone alive and breathing does best they can and hopes for success, it doesn't always work so you keep working

Only babies and failures crawl off and cry and have a pity party (OK Dallas Cowgirl fans do too), but to get up when someone has knocked you on your #$*& that takes COURAGE. If being a fan was easy there would be no losers, every team would go 16-0 and everyone would win Super Bowl every year.

So whine if that makes you feel better, complain about how brainwashed we are. OR accept the truth that some of us on this board are TEXANS FANS..Win or Lose:twocents:

Hulk75
10-19-2006, 09:09 AM
I just don't get it. We have been AWFUL since our induction into the league and all our fan base does is make excuses. It makes no sense. Maybe this is why our team is a laughing stock, b/c the fans tolerate it.

Week after week it's pathetic to see our team get POUNDED and written off by all the other NFL franchises. "Oh it's just the Texans, that's an easy win".

And then to add insult to injury every week another move blows up in our face.

Todd Wade, Robaire Smith, Bennie Joppru, Jabar Gaffney, John Wells, Tony Hollings, Phillip Buchanon all RELEASED or LET GO.

These were ALL either high draft picks or huge free agents deals that we got NOTHING for.

Then to this day the majority of people on this board REFUSE to admit that passing on Reggie Bush was the biggest mistake this franchise has ever made, and one of the stupidest decisions in NFL history.

Forget stats and compaing Reggie and Mario, look at what really counts... THE RESULTS!

The Texans are 1-4, just as bad or worse than last year. And our defense (that Mario was supposed to ANCHOR) is last in the NFL.

The Saints are a LEGIT 5-1 (beating a team that manhandled us) and their offense is one of the best in the league.

How do you defend that? Where are your excuses? I'm just sick of it.

And go ahead, bash me, tell me how stupid I am, and make more excuses for them.... PROVE my POINT!

Okay.:cool:

The problem with people today everything is NOW! NOW! Iw ant it all right now, if you want a team that is AWSOME go be a Colts or Eagles fan you will have a lot lot less head ache and probably would not whine like a baby to us, which we would apprecheate...........

touttail
10-19-2006, 10:56 AM
Embarrased----------------------yep
Tired of losing--------------------yep
Brainwashed for "our" Texans------yep
wearing my Texan hat right now---yep
Still a die hard Texan fan----------Hell yes
Giving up my season tickets--------Hell no

Bobby 119C :fans:

thunderkyss
10-19-2006, 12:12 PM
And, plenty of Cowboys fans felt the same way - they're still fans now. But, it comes down in part to why you support the team. For many, there's more to being a fan of a team than just geography - the players, coaches, and general image/attitude were all part of what made me a fan. TO was more than just an annoying player - his star antics were intended as and taken as an insult to both the team and fans (and it's not like he ever showed any real regret for doing so). To many fans of the team, signing him was the equivalent of being willing to sell the soul of the team.

I'm not alone - in the Cowboys groups I was (and to a lesser extent still am) following, there were others for whom the TO signing was the last straw, and who have quit supporting the team. Letters and email postings to some other websites indicated several other people in the same boat.

For the Texans, I don't think that there are any players (including TO) in the same boat - players who have unapologetically insulted the Texans and the Houston fans. So, it's tough to compare. It's different, but it would be kind of like the New York Mets signing John Rocker (and he, at least, did apologize, several times) - I would imagine that several Mets fans would quit supporting the team if he were signed.



I personally don't think T.O. should apologize for any of the things he has done. It's not like he was involved in some sexboat scandal, stomping on a players head with 3" cleats, Busted for Drug abuse, firing handguns in public, getting into bar fights, and what not.

I like the taunting on the field, even taunting the fans...... it's part of the game, as long as it's clean. I was disappointed in T.O. for standing on the star, because that was a very poor Dallas Cowboys team(we beat them), and that's like kicking a dog for being a dog. It's not like the Cowboys were talking noise or anything.

People hate T.O. for the sharpie deal, but we don't even talk about SteveSmith in his Rowboat, or JoeHorn & the cell phone, or ChadJohnson & the river dance..... it's part of the game.... let it go.

Tearing up the locker room in Philly & Chicago..... because he said the QB sucked?? Because he said they should throw him the ball more??

How many times have we asked for Capers to throw the ball to AJ?? When you ain't got much of a team, put the ball in your playmakers hands.

keyser, I'm glad you're here, but can we expect you to leave when T.O. is long gone from Dallas??

HOU-TEX
10-19-2006, 12:19 PM
Don't you love these "lose all the games so we can pick someone next year crowd?" What a crock! We had the number one pick THIS year and we blew it!! understand! we blew it... and as a reminder... getting the first pick is an embarrassment and absolute shame... that means we were LAST PLACE... again an embarassment!!! first, second, even the third year acceptable? maybe, but we are no longer an expansion team we are just a crappy team... WITH NO RUNNING GAME ( is my anger evidence of acceptance? Hell NO! I'm mad!)

I am Not used to losing and will never accept this next year crap... its been 5 years folks and all I hear is next year what a waste of time ...We had the first pick This year and we did nothing with it. so go figure!

Losers accept losing...
Winners NEVER accept losers or losing.

so far all I see is quiters and losers waiting for next year...

I'm with you bro I feel like hell after everygame and can't believe the acceptance. But, with that said: I do LOVE my Texans! And because I love them I will damn near cry every sunday... and be steaming mad on Monday...Unless they win...

I am The Mighty Texan and one day...

I'm using this as my new signature. Hope you don't mind because I feel the same way

Why would someone give me negative rep for copying this statement for my signature? He/She said I was an embarrassment. I guess saying I'm a fan of the Texans should be embarrassing. Oh well, whatever!:confused:

touttail
10-19-2006, 12:31 PM
I personally don't think T.O. should apologize for any of the things he has done. It's not like he was involved in some sexboat scandal, stomping on a players head with 3" cleats, Busted for Drug abuse, firing handguns in public, getting into bar fights, and what not.

I like the taunting on the field, even taunting the fans...... it's part of the game, as long as it's clean. I was disappointed in T.O. for standing on the star, because that was a very poor Dallas Cowboys team(we beat them), and that's like kicking a dog for being a dog. It's not like the Cowboys were talking noise or anything.

People hate T.O. for the sharpie deal, but we don't even talk about SteveSmith in his Rowboat, or JoeHorn & the cell phone, or ChadJohnson & the river dance..... it's part of the game.... let it go.

Tearing up the locker room in Philly & Chicago..... because he said the QB sucked?? Because he said they should throw him the ball more??

How many times have we asked for Capers to throw the ball to AJ?? When you ain't got much of a team, put the ball in your playmakers hands.

keyser, I'm glad you're here, but can we expect you to leave when T.O. is long gone from Dallas??



I like the end zone performances & taunting too. It is just entertainment for the fans.

We were giving T.O. a hard time during the pre-game warmup. He was laughing, raising both hands and arms in the air. He was loving it. We started
laughing too. All of us, T.O. included, were having fun!

Bobby 119C :tease:

cuppacoffee
10-19-2006, 12:55 PM
Tearing up the locker room in Philly & Chicago ..... because he said the QB sucked?? Because he said they should throw him the ball more??

How many times have we asked for Capers to throw the ball to AJ?? When you ain't got much of a team, put the ball in your playmakers hands.


Chicago?

TK surely you can see the difference between AJ and Owens.

If AJ has a problem with Carr, we do not know about it. AJ has enough class that if he has a problem he will take it up with Carr in the confines of the team meeting room.

Owens chooses to stomp and pout like a two year old and call his QB out in the national press, where it is all about what Owens wants, team be damned.

He has started all over again, did you miss his sideline tantrum during the dullas eggles game. It wasn't dullas against the eggles, it was all about Owens making a showing against his former team.

He may be a good player, but as a team player he sucks big time.

He is now, and will always be, a cancer to any team.

The antics you describe by other players on other teams do not denigrate their teammates.

:coffee:

Vambo, the Marble Eye
10-19-2006, 03:30 PM
....And go ahead, bash me, tell me how stupid I am, and make more excuses for them.... PROVE my POINT!

First, I hope you are a practicing litigator. I would want an attorney with your demonstrated self-conviction bundled with an ability to ingore any other point of view other than their own. (Yes... the "PROVE my POINT" part.)

Second, you have confused me and not because I don't agree that the Texans have dissappointed to date. Why are you chosing a message board as a forum to effect change or just :crying: instead of "voting with your feet" by not watching or going to the game? This must be a new way of communicating in "bizzaro world".

threetoedpete
10-19-2006, 05:22 PM
uhm did you by chance see vince young play against washington the other day? They won that game against a team we could not beat. I do not like vince as a I have stated before. But he has improved and will improve. I like Mario , but right now he will slowly emerge as a strong player. But happy? You must also like the pittsburgh pirates and the kansas city royals.

I do not accept your assement of VY. Time will tell my friend no doubt. Five coaches have made an attempt. And five hsave fail. Chow will be number six. My book says he spit the bit one more time . We'll see.

bigbrewster2000
10-19-2006, 07:11 PM
Dang it. Just when I get to root for a team win or lose, I am told it is just being brainwashed. I guess all I can do now is wait for a team to win the superbowl and then root for them like all the other bandwagon losers that have no loyalty (aparently you are also one of those losers.)

The Mighty Texan
10-20-2006, 04:16 AM
Why would someone give me negative rep for copying this statement for my signature? He/She said I was an embarrassment. I guess saying I'm a fan of the Texans should be embarrassing. Oh well, whatever!:confused:

I don't know who would give you negative rep. I originally posted that "damn near cry every sunday" comment and I'm ok with you using it as a signature. I wrote it...and very proud you would use it! Thank You! I am The Mighty Texan and I admit it. I damn near cry every Sunday and I am steamin mad on Mondays... But, I do love my Texans! and that gives me the right to complain! Dang straight. And I won't stop either... anyway... it didn't come from me... I didn't know you could get negative rep anyway?

The Mighty Texan

The Mighty Texan
10-20-2006, 05:15 AM
Okay.:cool:

The problem with people today everything is NOW! NOW! Iw ant it all right now, if you want a team that is AWSOME go be a Colts or Eagles fan you will have a lot lot less head ache and probably would not whine like a baby to us, which we would apprecheate...........



Its been 5 Years!!!! Now, would be great!! Some sense of urgency would be awesome actually! Could you give me a time frame for sucess?

The problem is NOT everyone can deal with your crappy excuses for poor performance and bad choices. It gets sickening really. We are still fans but we are sick of excuses... And just because you dislike what he said. You thrash him? Some of us are winners... and hate losing we still love the Texans but we HATE losing... and complaining and pointing out the facts is exactly what needs to happen. Because we are sick of excuses and the dreaded "next year syndrome"

Besides who made you king of the non-complaining post? Why don't you just not read his post if it upsets you? Why must you respond to his statements? Do you think you can get him to cheer up by giving him options of better teams to root for? Have you got any good tips on how to accept losing for 5 YEARS? Obviously, your well adjusted to it because you think its ok to lose for 5 years straight! with no complaints? right? But, its ok because you accepted it? We don't have to accept your reality... Not everyone can accept these excuses week end and week out and you have the nerve to call him a whiner? Everyone has a right to make a statement... and yes even complaints are ok! God forbid we might actually want results? Wise up Dude its been 5 years... its been 5 years losing... Some of us are tired and we don't want another team we want to win with this team and hell yes we want to win LIKE NOW.... Like yesterday NOW!

So, pretty please with sugar on top go clean the freakin Carr!

I am The Mighty Texan...

NATHANHALE
10-20-2006, 03:12 PM
I do not accept your assement of VY. Time will tell my friend no doubt. Five coaches have made an attempt. And five hsave fail. Chow will be number six. My book says he spit the bit one more time . We'll see.


...made an attemt at what?

NATHANHALE
10-20-2006, 03:23 PM
Reputation points are stupid in my opinion. All it does is turn you into a yes man. You can never make everyone happy it is impossible.

...'everyone happy'...so true...however, some posters on this board actually believe they are 'all-knowing' and everyone should post their 'way'...have absolutely no respect for any opinion that does not 'match' theirs

Democracy is a wonderful concept and it is not based upon 100% agreement, though all sides are welcomed to contribute their thoughts.

On this board, however, some do not agree with this notion--though their opinions have often been proven wrong--and use intimidation to try and...limit postings contrary to their own...but it is an 'open' board to all

Vinny
10-20-2006, 03:25 PM
On this board, however, some do not agree with this notion--though their opinions have often been proven wrong--and use intimidation to try and...limit postings contrary to their own...but it is an 'open' board to all
wtf? That's pure bullsheet and an outright lie...this place desires to host contrary opinion as we believe that good debate and intelligent argument drives a message board....we are as fair and we don't wipe stuff unless it's vulgar, has spam or centers on trolling. Neg rep for you!

infantrycak
10-20-2006, 03:44 PM
Reputation points are stupid in my opinion. All it does is turn you into a yes man. You can never make everyone happy it is impossible.

That is hilarious coming from you. You ask a question--get a correct answer so you hit the negative rep button and now you are complaining about rep. LOL.

NATHANHALE
10-20-2006, 04:17 PM
wtf? That's pure bullsheet and an outright lie...this place desires to host contrary opinion as we believe that good debate and intelligent argument drives a message board....we are as fair and we don't wipe stuff unless it's vulgar, has spam or centers on trolling. Neg rep for you!

...sorry, I was talking about...never mind