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BuffSoldier
10-10-2006, 01:45 PM
I know that LaRon Landry is supposedly the best safety available in the upcoming draft, but I cant stop thinking that it would be a smarter decision to take Meriweather. I can say this for a few reasons.

Recently The U has been churning out great prospects at two positions, the first being TE with Shockey, Winslow, and now Olsen and also at safety with Reed, then Taylor, and now Meriweather.

Another reason is because of how much Meriweather reminds me of Reed. Both seem a bit undersized. Meriweather is 6'0"-195 and Reed is 5'11"-200, but they both play so much bigger. Their size and speed make them a great coverage safety, but Meriweather won Miami's "Hard Hitter" Award last year, so it obviouse that he can also bring the hat.

All that being said, I wouldnt be upset with either one, especially since I dont have any measurables outside of their build and how they have played thus far, and as you always know, the combine/pro-day always plays a big part in who the top rated players are.

real
10-10-2006, 01:47 PM
Im not a big Landry fan....Granted I've only seen him play once...

But I am big on Merri and Griffin.....I think that one of them might fall lto the second round....I was all for picking a Safety with our first round pick, but I think that one of the top three will fall to the second.....

HomeBred_Texan
10-10-2006, 02:51 PM
What difference does it make. We need a RB with our first pick, period...

And even Coach Kubes knows it too... See his chronic report...

real
10-10-2006, 02:52 PM
What difference does it make. We need a RB with our first pick, period...

And even Coach Kubes knows it too... See his chronic report...

Great job contributing to the conversation....:ok:

TexansSeminole
10-10-2006, 03:16 PM
Landry over Meriweather but I like Michael Griffin.

LORK 88
10-10-2006, 03:22 PM
Landry, Meriweather isnt even the best safety prospect on his own team right now. Landry is a BALANCED FS which is what we need more than anything. He's a sure tackler and plays well against the pass. I just feel its the safer bet.

Titan "Tack" Fan
10-10-2006, 03:56 PM
Im not a big Landry fan....Granted I've only seen him play once...

But I am big on Merri and Griffin.....I think that one of them might fall lto the second round....I was all for picking a Safety with our first round pick, but I think that one of the top three will fall to the second.....

Once out of his entire 4 year career? You do know that he's started since his freshman year, when LSU won the national title.

real
10-10-2006, 03:59 PM
Once out of his entire 4 year career? You do know that he's started since his freshman year, when LSU won the national title.

yeah I know....But I didn't know who he was back then....This past weekend was the first time I actually 'watched' him....

LORK 88
10-10-2006, 04:33 PM
yeah I know....But I didn't know who he was back then....This past weekend was the first time I actually 'watched' him....
You need to watch him play more often, its extremely difficult to get a good read on a player only seeing him once.

kastofsna
10-10-2006, 04:42 PM
i've followed meriweather his whole career. honestly he's never done anything that really stands out. good tackler...around the ball.....but nothing spectacular. ed reed was spectacular. sean taylor was RIDICULOUSLY spectacular.

meriweather is only the THIRD best safety on this canes roster.

hot pickle
10-10-2006, 04:43 PM
Landry, but i really like griffin, and he seems like a good kid, how doesnt have attitude problems

NEROtheZERO
10-10-2006, 04:47 PM
Interesting topic but all that is being thrown around is subjective judgements. Anyone have any numbers or quotes from scouts to back their stance?

LORK 88
10-10-2006, 06:22 PM
Interesting topic but all that is being thrown around is subjective judgements. Anyone have any numbers or quotes from scouts to back their stance?
As you can see, Landry is just a playmaker. Nothing against Meriweather Im just more impressed with Landry's body of work. In 2003 and 2004, as a freshman and sophmore Landry lead the team in tackles. He's just been consistent his entire college career and that's something our defensive secondary could use. We need a FS that Dunta and [insert CB #2's name here] desprately need so they can have trust in who's behind them. To put it simply, Landry's game is solid.

On a side note, not sure on the true totals on Meriweather because I could see if he had sacks or anything else. LSU's football site had stats all thru Landry's career, Meriweather only had this years and I had to use draft countdown which only showed those 3 catagories you see (tackles, PBUs, INTs).

LARON LANDRY, 6'2" 202
2003 - 80 tackles, 4 PBUs, 2 INTs, 3 sacks, 1 Blocked Kick
2004 - 92 tackles, 6 PBUs, 4 INTs, 3 sacks, 1 FF
2005 - 69 tackles, 8 PBUs, 3 INTs
2006 - 30 tackles, 1 PBU, 1 INT, 1 Blocked Kick


BRANDON MERIWEATHER, 6'0" 195
2002 - 3 tackles
2003 - 22 tackles, 5 PBUs, 1 INT
2004 - 62 tackles, 5 PBUs, 2 INTs
2005 - 115 tackles, 7 PBUs, 3 INTs
2006 - 23 tackles, 3 PBUs, 1 INT, 1 sack

Huge
10-10-2006, 08:09 PM
I know that LaRon Landry is supposedly the best safety available in the upcoming draft, but I cant stop thinking that it would be a smarter decision to take Meriweather. I can say this for a few reasons.

Recently The U has been churning out great prospects at two positions, the first being TE with Shockey, Winslow, and now Olsen and also at safety with Reed, then Taylor, and now Meriweather.

Another reason is because of how much Meriweather reminds me of Reed. Both seem a bit undersized. Meriweather is 6'0"-195 and Reed is 5'11"-200, but they both play so much bigger. Their size and speed make them a great coverage safety, but Meriweather won Miami's "Hard Hitter" Award last year, so it obviouse that he can also bring the hat.

All that being said, I wouldnt be upset with either one, especially since I dont have any measurables outside of their build and how they have played thus far, and as you always know, the combine/pro-day always plays a big part in who the top rated players are.
Don't forget Bubba Franks came before Shockey. And can you honestly say Taylor has lived up to his hype?

I'd take Landry.

mexican_texan
10-10-2006, 08:47 PM
I like the SEC over the ACC, so Landry.

hot pickle
10-11-2006, 12:23 PM
LSU plays are welled coached, and miami :confused: lets just says they got a bit of a problem :hides:

im not sayin merriweather will be a menace, cause look at Andre Johnson, but lately theres nothin but trouble

so landry over merriweather

kastofsna
10-11-2006, 06:30 PM
but lately theres nothin but trouble
such as?

for the record, one of the reasons people hate coker so much is because he doesn't recruit the usual "thugs" miami is known for having.

LORK 88
10-11-2006, 06:41 PM
such as?

for the record, one of the reasons people hate coker so much is because he doesn't recruit the usual "thugs" miami is known for having.
Willie Williams . . .

dat_boy_yec
10-11-2006, 09:27 PM
What about Reggie Nelson from the Gators. The guys a jr. and he looks solid.

dat_boy_yec
10-11-2006, 09:35 PM
Ey isn't Griffin also a FS. I think he's playing better than Meriweather right now and would also make a great addition to the Texans.

AustinJB
10-11-2006, 11:23 PM
LARON LANDRY, 6'2" 202
2003 - 80 tackles, 4 PBUs, 2 INTs, 3 sacks, 1 Blocked Kick
2004 - 92 tackles, 6 PBUs, 4 INTs, 3 sacks, 1 FF
2005 - 69 tackles, 8 PBUs, 3 INTs
2006 - 30 tackles, 1 PBU, 1 INT, 1 Blocked Kick


BRANDON MERIWEATHER, 6'0" 195
2002 - 3 tackles
2003 - 22 tackles, 5 PBUs, 1 INT
2004 - 62 tackles, 5 PBUs, 2 INTs
2005 - 115 tackles, 7 PBUs, 3 INTs
2006 - 23 tackles, 3 PBUs, 1 INT, 1 sack

This is my pick:

MICHAEL GRIFFIN, 6'0" 205
2003 - 65 tackles, 2 PBU, 3 FF, 1 FR
2004 - 49 tackles, 4 PBU, 1 FF, 1 FR, 1 INT, 2 Blocked Kicks
2005 - 124 tackles, 11 PBU, 1 FF, 3 FR, 3 INT, 4 Blocked Kicks
2006 - 56 tackles, 4 PBU, 1 FF, 2 FR, 1 INT, 1 Blocked Kicks

BTW, I'm not sure of the others, but Griffin had only started ONE game until 2005...where he started every game. He played in 12 games in 2003 and 2004, but he was the primary backup

real
10-12-2006, 10:23 AM
This is my pick:

MICHAEL GRIFFIN, 6'0" 205
2003 - 65 tackles, 2 PBU, 3 FF, 1 FR
2004 - 49 tackles, 4 PBU, 1 FF, 1 FR, 1 INT, 2 Blocked Kicks
2005 - 124 tackles, 11 PBU, 1 FF, 3 FR, 3 INT, 4 Blocked Kicks
2006 - 56 tackles, 4 PBU, 1 FF, 2 FR, 1 INT, 1 Blocked Kicks

BTW, I'm not sure of the others, but Griffin had only started ONE game until 2005...where he started every game. He played in 12 games in 2003 and 2004, but he was the primary backup

I like Griffin too...

AlbinoRat
10-12-2006, 01:25 PM
I want Landry...even though we need a corner even worse. I would be satisfied with merriwether if we traded out of the top 15 however.

texaslifter
10-12-2006, 02:31 PM
I don't really think we could go wrong with either one. I would bet that either one would start for us as a rookie.

texaslifter
10-12-2006, 02:37 PM
I am at every UT game (student) and I have to say. Griffin is a monster hitter. Our entire secondary is. I would be happy picking up ANY Gene Chizik coached player. He is really teaching our players to talk with their pads and leave some paint on the opponents helmets. Watch more Texas games, and you'll agree with me. Tarrell Brown too, wish we had him vs OSU. If we hadn't given up that TD to Ginn before the half and went into halftime tied 7-7... it could have gone either way.

painekiller
10-12-2006, 04:02 PM
Ey isn't Griffin also a FS. I think he's playing better than Meriweather right now and would also make a great addition to the Texans.

Griffen is a strong safety, while Landry and Meriweather are FS, thus the tackles difference.

Smokedawg
10-15-2006, 12:39 PM
Landry of course. Meriweather just got suspended. Im not sold on griffin. Like someone said Landry has been consisent all his career. Landry's has awesome instincts he flies to the ball and hits like a wrecking ball.

Smokedawg
10-15-2006, 12:45 PM
This is my pick:

MICHAEL GRIFFIN, 6'0" 205
2003 - 65 tackles, 2 PBU, 3 FF, 1 FR
2004 - 49 tackles, 4 PBU, 1 FF, 1 FR, 1 INT, 2 Blocked Kicks
2005 - 124 tackles, 11 PBU, 1 FF, 3 FR, 3 INT, 4 Blocked Kicks
2006 - 56 tackles, 4 PBU, 1 FF, 2 FR, 1 INT, 1 Blocked Kicks

BTW, I'm not sure of the others, but Griffin had only started ONE game until 2005...where he started every game. He played in 12 games in 2003 and 2004, but he was the primary backup

Where did you get those stats?

AustinJB
10-15-2006, 05:16 PM
Where did you get those stats?

Well, I can't find the link to the page...it had his entire career laid out nicely. Oh well, the below link will get you to a page where you can see his stats year by year....you can see them there, it just may take a little longer.

http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=36&url_subchannel_id=&url_article_id=1349&change_well_id=2

Errant Hothy
10-16-2006, 10:22 AM
such as?

for the record, one of the reasons people hate coker so much is because he doesn't recruit the usual "thugs" miami is known for having.

AHEM!!! You wanna take this one back?

real
10-16-2006, 10:24 AM
Merriweather will not be in a Texans uni......I guess it should be Griffin or Landry....

Errant Hothy
10-16-2006, 10:43 AM
Merriweather will not be in a Texans uni......I guess it should be Griffin or Landry....


It won't be any of them, unless they fall to the second round. It's becoming very clear that our weakest spot on the roster is RB, followed closely by S and CB.

real
10-16-2006, 11:06 AM
It won't be any of them, unless they fall to the second round. It's becoming very clear that our weakest spot on the roster is RB, followed closely by S and CB.

That's debatable...

Errant Hothy
10-16-2006, 11:13 AM
That's debatable...

Maybe, but the path this seson is quickly headed down is top 5 pick area and I'm not sold on any S being woth a top 5.

hot pickle
10-16-2006, 12:01 PM
if peterson comes out he will be in a texans uni, oakland will have the first pick and take troy smith or brady quinn

we will have 2nd or 3rd i think

Ole Miss Texan
10-16-2006, 12:40 PM
I find it hard to believe the texans would use the #2 or #3 pick in the first round on a running back that has been injured and missed half his junior year because of a broken bone. Don't get me wrong..I like AP a lot but I see him going later in the first because of this weekend. I'm starting to be more in favor of trading down but since this is a Landry or Merriweather thread...I think its clear Merriweather will not be in Houston unless he's cleaning tables.

Errant Hothy
10-16-2006, 12:44 PM
I find it hard to believe the texans would use the #2 or #3 pick in the first round on a running back that has been injured and missed half his junior year because of a broken bone. Don't get me wrong..I like AP a lot but I see him going later in the first because of this weekend. I'm starting to be more in favor of trading down but since this is a Landry or Merriweather thread...I think its clear Merriweather will not be in Houston unless he's cleaning tables.

A broken collarbone should have no bearing on his draft status (AP's), now the ankle issue from his Soph year could be an issue, but it should be pretty obvious that he had recovered well from that. AP does not make it out of the top 7 picks in this year's draft (if he declares)

Texas_Thrill
10-16-2006, 01:25 PM
Well unless landry or merriweather fall apart dramatically. Neither will be around when we pick in the 2nd round. Griffin is probably our best shot.

We'll be picking too HIGH in the first to justify picking them. At the rate we're going we'll be a top 3 or 5 pick.

I like all 3 of them and quite frankly ANY of them will be an uprgrade.

Bubbajwp
10-16-2006, 03:20 PM
I find it hard to believe the texans would use the #2 or #3 pick in the first round on a running back that has been injured and missed half his junior year because of a broken bone. Don't get me wrong..I like AP a lot but I see him going later in the first because of this weekend. I'm starting to be more in favor of trading down but since this is a Landry or Merriweather thread...I think its clear Merriweather will not be in Houston unless he's cleaning tables.

Willis McGahee had a knee injury much more serious than AP's injury and still went in the middle of the first round. AP's injury wont hurt his stock much if at all.

YoungTexanFan
10-16-2006, 03:50 PM
Willis McGahee had a knee injury much more serious than AP's injury and still went in the middle of the first round. AP's injury wont hurt his stock much if at all.

McGahee also played until the 4th quarter of his bowl game and wasn't showing off when he was hurt.

Peterson is a very upright runner, a little too much for my liking. I'm trying to follow Wolfe closely. I think he might be a good late round pick up for us. I also wish Slaton was a Jr.

Back to the topic question. I would take Landry over Merriwether mostly because of physical abilities and lack of a piss-poor attitude on the field. I don't like Griffin, and I know I'll get neg. rep for that, but I just don't like his style. However, not a single one of them is worth a top 10 pick and I don't think Griffin is worth a high second round pick either. I'm hoping for a good, young FA FS.

real
10-16-2006, 03:53 PM
McGahee also played until the 4th quarter of his bowl game and wasn't showing off when he was hurt.


Didn't look like he was showin off to me...

YoungTexanFan
10-16-2006, 03:58 PM
Didn't look like he was showin off to me...

The dive into the endzone was.

real
10-16-2006, 04:02 PM
The dive into the endzone was.

It wasn't a celebratory dive...

There were defenders grabbing at his ankles...looked like he was just trying to get in the end-zone...

I can already tell....that you don't like peterson....

YoungTexanFan
10-16-2006, 04:06 PM
It wasn't a celebratory dive...

There were defenders grabbing at his ankles...looked like he was just trying to get in the end-zone...

I can already tell....that you don't like peterson....

I do like him, and I have liked him since his days at Palestine High, but I don't care for how upright he runs and I don't care for his injuries.

real
10-16-2006, 04:08 PM
I do like him, and I have liked him since his days at Palestine High, but I don't care for how upright he runs and I don't care for his injuries.

So what is it exactly that you like about him??? his smile???

YoungTexanFan
10-16-2006, 04:26 PM
So what is it exactly that you like about him??? his smile???

His production, his leadership, his natural physical freakishness. Lot's of positives, just some negatives, but everyone has negatives.

Bongo59
10-18-2006, 07:24 PM
Landry is the total package.............his only chink is ball skills..............but he can do it all. Merriweather is soft in the box.............and STaylor has regressed instead of gotten better.............Ed Reed has been close to invisible this yr................I think injuries have slowed both of their aggressive behavior.

YoungTexanFan
10-18-2006, 08:21 PM
Landry is the total package.............his only chink is ball skills..............but he can do it all. Merriweather is soft in the box.............and STaylor has regressed instead of gotten better.............Ed Reed has been close to invisible this yr................I think injuries have slowed both of their aggressive behavior.

We need a FS who's strongest point is ball hawking ability. That is not Landry's strongest suit or honestly even something he is good at. He can make the play after the ball is caught though...but we have those guys now.

ATX_Texan
10-19-2006, 04:28 PM
Why would the Texans consider getting a guy like Meriweather after his disgusting display in the big brawl? This is guy who was clearly attempting to injure other players by stomping on their legs and heads.

Who is next for the Texans, Albert Haynesworth?

real
10-19-2006, 04:39 PM
Why would the Texans consider getting a guy like Meriweather after his disgusting display in the big brawl? This is guy who was clearly attempting to injure other players by stomping on their legs and heads.

Who is next for the Texans, Albert Haynesworth?

You do realize this thread was made before the incident........right???

run-david-run
10-19-2006, 06:44 PM
I would prefer to get a saftey through FA then the draft, then we can focus on linebacker, O-line and running back in the draft.

TexansSeminole
10-19-2006, 07:56 PM
First, Peterson's dive into the endzone was not a celebration just what looked like a move to avoid the hit and get into the endzone.

Second, after seeing what Meriweather did in the game at FIU, I dont want him on the Texans, and I doubt Kubiak would either.

AustinJB
10-19-2006, 11:49 PM
I don't like Griffin, and I know I'll get neg. rep for that, but I just don't like his style. However, not a single one of them is worth a top 10 pick and I don't think Griffin is worth a high second round pick either. I'm hoping for a good, young FA FS.

Well, I'm not going to give you negative rep for it, but I'd like to know what exactly about his "style" do you not like??

His style is one of the elements that makes him so desirable. He's a very hard-nosed, no-nonsense tackling machine who makes plays all over the field. He is fierce and an incredible competitor...evident by all of his blocked kicks. He gives full effort on every play. Not to mention that he is very fast and is good in pass coverage...forces fumbles, can make the interception....I don't know what else to say. How can you not like this style??

I challenge you to watch the UT/Nebraska game this Saturday at Noon and make it a point to watch Michael Griffin (#27....not his brother #26 although he is pretty good too). I guarantee you that Griffin will either be in on every play or very close to the ball when someone else gets there first. IMO, that sounds like a player that our Texans could definitely use:twocents:

whiskeyrbl
10-20-2006, 12:05 AM
Have any of you thought aboutTom Zbikowski SS ND or Travarous Baine Hampton, or Eric Weddle Utah. You can find their profiles on www.fftoolbox.com then look on left hand toolbar for 2007 nfl prospects

real
10-23-2006, 10:31 AM
Have any of you thought aboutTom Zbikowski SS ND or Travarous Baine Hampton, or Eric Weddle Utah. You can find their profiles on www.fftoolbox.com (http://www.fftoolbox.com) then look on left hand toolbar for 2007 nfl prospects

I don't like Zbikowski much.....I think people are overhyping these Notre Dame guys waaaaaay too much....IMO Smardizja(sp) is the best player on their team....hands down.....

kastofsna
10-23-2006, 11:01 AM
except for brady quinn.

real
10-23-2006, 11:02 AM
except for brady quinn.

especially Brady Quinn....

tburdette
10-24-2006, 10:11 AM
Does anyone think Merriweather may fall now due to his actions in that brawl? If we could somehow get him in the 2nd we would be stupid not to jump all over him.

bah007
10-24-2006, 10:16 AM
Does anyone think Merriweather may fall now due to his actions in that brawl? If we could somehow get him in the 2nd we would be stupid not to jump all over him.

It is possible, but most people have him as a top 3 safety, so its unlikely

real
10-24-2006, 10:22 AM
At this point I'd rather have Griffin than Landry or Merryface...

TexansSeminole
10-24-2006, 11:33 AM
Meriweather doesn't seem to fit with the young defensive guys we have brought in, I doubt we would select him even if he dropped to us in the second round.

CoastalTexan
10-24-2006, 03:13 PM
There is no way we pick Meriweather now, the only consistent between the players we picked are good citizens/people. That seems to be the requirement for kubiak/mcnair. Look for the biggest boyscout/community service guy and that is who we will pick ex. Demeco Ryans.

bah007
10-24-2006, 03:16 PM
There is no way we pick Meriweather now, the only consistent between the players we picked are good citizens/people. That seems to be the requirement for kubiak/mcnair. Look for the biggest boyscout/community service guy and that is who we will pick ex. Demeco Ryans.

You are right. We wont pick Meriweather because he is a punk.

But. We didnt pick Ryans because he is a "community service guy". We picked him because he was an All-American that was still available in a position of need.

run-david-run
10-24-2006, 03:58 PM
SEC Defensive player of the year, that is no small honor.

TexansSeminole
10-24-2006, 04:10 PM
There is no way we pick Meriweather now, the only consistent between the players we picked are good citizens/people. That seems to be the requirement for kubiak/mcnair. Look for the biggest boyscout/community service guy and that is who we will pick ex. Demeco Ryans.

Right. Safety wise, Landry fits that mold, and Griffin doesn't seem to not fit it.

TexansSeminole
10-24-2006, 05:09 PM
http://forums.houstontexans.com/showpost.php?p=478207&postcount=86

In this post I have broken down Griffin's statistics alongside Michael Huff's.

Also a few posts down I breakdown LaRon Landry's statistics.

http://forums.houstontexans.com/showpost.php?p=478234&postcount=88

I thought it was interesting...if your interested you should give it a look.

YoungTexanFan
10-24-2006, 09:57 PM
SEC Defensive player of the year, that is no small honor.

Positive rep coming your way.

AustinJB
10-24-2006, 10:51 PM
http://forums.houstontexans.com/showpost.php?p=478207&postcount=86

In this post I have broken down Griffin's statistics alongside Michael Huff's.


I'm right there with you. I've watched every single Texas game for the last 6-7 years and I love what Griffin would bring to the team. I thought Griffin was a better player than Huff even last year.

Don't get me wrong...Griffin's not necessarily the most physically gifted of the two....but a better player. You know, kinda like Ryans is a better player than some of the other physically gifted LBs that blew up the combine.:lightbulb:

I've heard some mention that Griffin is a SS and we need a FS worse. This is true, but the fact of the matter is that Griffin plays SS b/c he has always been the most physical and hardest hitting DB on the team (even when Huff was on the team)...Not because he can't cover. Refer to Griffin's PBUs, INTs, etc. compared to Huff as evidence of this. Also, people may not realize that he runs a 4.4 and did play CB during his first year...so it's not like he doesn't have the speed, cover skills, or intelligence to play FS.

With all that being said, I still wouldn't be disappointed if we took Landry (but I don't want Merriweather)...I would just prefer Griffin b/c I've watched him on a first-hand basis and I know what we would be getting with him.:twocents:

painekiller
10-24-2006, 11:02 PM
I have it as Landry, and then Griffen. I am not interested in Meriweather. The game I watched he was not a factor and then his action in the brawl will lead me away from him.

There are some other guys that I want to get some time watching like the guy from Wyoming, non 1st round types.

Right now Texas may have 2 DBs go in the first 45 picks.

bah007
10-24-2006, 11:04 PM
I have it as Landry, and then Griffen. I am not interested in Meriweather. The game I watched he was not a factor and then his action in the brawl will lead me away from him.

There are some other guys that I want to get some time watching like the guy from Wyoming, non 1st round types.

Right now Texas may have 2 DBs go in the first 45 picks.

You're on to somethin there. CB Aaron Ross' stock is skyrocketing. But the fact that this is his first year starting could potentially hurt him (lack of maturity), help him, (means he hasnt reached his potential yet), or have no effect at all

painekiller
10-24-2006, 11:51 PM
Just to help the orange bloods out, and to be fair.

Draftdaddy.com has its top ten senior safeties listed as

Top 10
Rank Name School
1. Michael Griffin Texas (CB)
2. LaRon Landry Louisiana State
3. John Wendling Wyoming
4. Aaron Rouse Virginia Tech
5. Sabby Piscitelli Oregon State
6. David Overstreet Missouri
7. Willis Barringer Michigan
8. Brandon Meriweather Miami (Florida)
9. Michael Johnson Arizona
10. Zach Catanese Arizona State




on the cusp

Rank Name School
- Marvin White Texas Christian
- Will Myers Indiana
- Marcus Paschal Iowa
- Brandon Sharp Louisville
- Andrew Shanle Nebraska

I really like that Meriweather has really dropped. That looks like a third round ranking to at best to me, wait until the junior join the prospect list.

kastofsna
10-25-2006, 07:51 AM
meriweather is a first rounder. that's just a gut-reaction ranking to the brawl. come draft time, teams won't care and they'll want a good player.

YoungTexanFan
10-25-2006, 08:02 AM
I like Ross, but I just don't see Griffin as a FS that is any upgrade over Earl or Brown, which isn't saying much at all.

YoungTexanFan
10-25-2006, 08:05 AM
On the same note, I just don't see Ross being anything higher than a second rounder, and yes, I take him there.

I'm also hoping for Okam to freefall like Scott last year as a UT DT.

bah007
10-25-2006, 10:11 AM
On the same note, I just don't see Ross being anything higher than a second rounder, and yes, I take him there.

I'm also hoping for Okam to freefall like Scott last year as a UT DT.

Okam is a DT. Jonathan Scott was an OT. I think he is on the Lions.

bah007
10-25-2006, 10:11 AM
On the same note, I just don't see Ross being anything higher than a second rounder, and yes, I take him there.

I'm also hoping for Okam to freefall like Scott last year as a UT DT.

You prob mean Rodrigue Wright, who was an All-American DT but fell to like the 7th round for the Dolphins.

TexansSeminole
10-25-2006, 11:42 AM
I have it as Landry, and then Griffen. I am not interested in Meriweather. The game I watched he was not a factor and then his action in the brawl will lead me away from him.

There are some other guys that I want to get some time watching like the guy from Wyoming, non 1st round types.

Right now Texas may have 2 DBs go in the first 45 picks.

Id like to watch John Wendling too. Mel Kiper wrote about him this week in his Personnel Points. Apparently he runs a 4.38 40 and has a 41 inch vertical. I was looking at his stats. And in this year in 8 games he has 51 tackles 3.5 tackles for loss 1 sack 3 Breakups 1 forced fumble and 2 fumble recoveries. Played FS in his sophomore and junior year but plays SS this year in his senior year.

I like Ross, but I just don't see Griffin as a FS that is any upgrade over Earl or Brown, which isn't saying much at all.

I like Ross also...I remembered him last year in the national championship game playing well. This year he looks a solid CB prospect. I dont see why you dont like Griffin though, I think he is an immediate update over both Earl and Brown. Really I see Griffin going mid-late 1st round, and Landry going after Griffin but not slipping past early second. I think those two are the top safeties at this point for sure.

YoungTexanFan
10-25-2006, 10:31 PM
You prob mean Rodrigue Wright, who was an All-American DT but fell to like the 7th round for the Dolphins.

Yeah, they both had free-falls. But I was refering to Wright at DT.

HOOK'EM
11-04-2006, 01:02 AM
I'm going to check out this Landry guy today we they play Alburn.:ok:

bigbrewster2000
11-04-2006, 07:48 AM
I like Ross, but I just don't see Griffin as a FS that is any upgrade over Earl or Brown, which isn't saying much at all.

Whoa, hold on there. CC Brown is not good in coverage.PERIOD. He hit pretty hard but he almost never wraps up. CC is a special teams player IMO( and , I like him, and wanted him to be a sucess story. He is simply not there. Griffin would easily be better than CC. I still would like to see Landry next to Earl.

beerlover
11-06-2006, 09:08 PM
I was impressed with Clemson Safety Michael Hamlin, he did a nice job against Calvin Johnson, has the size, coverage skills and speed to match up against the bigger WR's, with major upside. I beleive he redshirted his freshman year so even though he is a sophmore he is three years removed from High School & should be eligible to declare for the draft if he chooses.

He would be a steal in the 3rd rd. meanwhile the Texans could go OT in the 1st another LB or DT in the second and their future Safety who I believe could move around the secondary where needed in specific match-ups (translation FS).

TexansSeminole
11-06-2006, 09:17 PM
I was impressed with Clemson Safety Michael Hamlin, he did a nice job against Calvin Johnson, has the size, coverage skills and speed to match up against the bigger WR's, with major upside. I beleive he redshirted his freshman year so even though he is a sophmore he is three years removed from High School & should be eligible to declare for the draft if he chooses.

He would be a steal in the 3rd rd. meanwhile the Texans could go OT in the 1st another LB or DT in the second and their future Safety who I believe could move around the secondary where needed in specific match-ups (translation FS).

I agree about Hamlin being a good safety, but I am pretty sure he will stay, because Clemson is getting better and better.

dat_boy_yec
11-06-2006, 09:42 PM
I read the stat's that were posted earlier in the thread. On paper they look favorable for Griffin, but and this is an honest question. Have people really tested Landry that much. I mean does Griffin have ball-hawking skills? Would he make an easy transition to FS in the pro's? I think landing a quality FS would greatly help our secondary, moreso than a CB, but I just wonder if either of these guys provide that.

TexansSeminole
11-07-2006, 12:25 AM
I read the stat's that were posted earlier in the thread. On paper they look favorable for Griffin, but and this is an honest question. Have people really tested Landry that much. I mean does Griffin have ball-hawking skills? Would he make an easy transition to FS in the pro's? I think landing a quality FS would greatly help our secondary, moreso than a CB, but I just wonder if either of these guys provide that.

Well he was tested in this last game in Tennessee against Tennessee and there was one play where he played the pass play perfectly and outjumped the receiver and the cornerback (who was behind the receiver, with no chance of catching the ball) for the ball and let the ball go right through his hands and into the hands of the receiver who then rode a tackle into the endzone.

He seems to have the ability and all to get himself into position to make a play, and most of the time it seems like he does it. I know he has double degit interceptions in his career at LSU (10), where he played significantly since he was a freshman. I wanna say that he started since he was a freshman. The guy is a good FS, and the best in this college draft class. We would be good to get him.

There are other safety prospects if we did not want to take him with our first rounder; he will not last past the first round, likely in the first half of it.

Griffin although has something like 7 interceptions, but he seems to be better in run support. Griffin as a FS would probably not be a ball hawk, although he would probably pick a few balls off each season at either FS or SS. It seems like I have seen Griffin play some snaps at the FS position, but I would ask the UT fans to come out and verify that.

What Griffin would provide, more so than anything else at least, is good tackling coming out of the secondary. Our secondary is horrible at tackling and Griffin would improve that. I think we need help at both tackling and coverage so Griffin seems to be the ideal guy. While Landry does both, he doesn't come out of the secondary to make a tackle with as much consistency as Griffin does, but it seems he is better in coverage. It is a tough decision.

Bottom line: if we are looking for a true, traditional FS, we should go for LaRon Landry in the first, but if we don't want to spend that first pick on a safety; there are other prospects that we can select in the second (although Griffin will not be one of them).

Buckle
11-07-2006, 08:06 AM
I think that we should go CB with our first pick and pick up Leon Hall from Michigan. He would make a good compliment to Robinson and we would have 2 strong corners and would allow us to move Faggins to nickel back where he belongs! If Meriweather or Griffin fell to the 2nd I would be all over them! Would be an amazing first 2 picks for us and would instantly improve our secondary!

edo783
11-07-2006, 10:32 AM
Landry > Merriwether IMO.

bah007
11-07-2006, 12:16 PM
I read the stat's that were posted earlier in the thread. On paper they look favorable for Griffin, but and this is an honest question. Have people really tested Landry that much. I mean does Griffin have ball-hawking skills? Would he make an easy transition to FS in the pro's? I think landing a quality FS would greatly help our secondary, moreso than a CB, but I just wonder if either of these guys provide that.

Teams dont usually throw on Landry cuz he lines up on their number 3 WR which is a huge mismatch for the offense.

Griffin does have ball hawking skills. I think he looks like more of a SS in the NFL but he could still play FS.

AustinJB
11-07-2006, 10:57 PM
Teams dont usually throw on Landry cuz he lines up on their number 3 WR which is a huge mismatch for the offense.

Griffin does have ball hawking skills. I think he looks like more of a SS in the NFL but he could still play FS.

Agreed, Griffin does have ball-hawking skills. Isn't this evident in the fact that he always seems to be around the ball making a play?

I think he could play FS, and in reference to TS:

It seems like I have seen Griffin play some snaps at the FS position, but I would ask the UT fans to come out and verify that.

Yes, occasionally Griffin is in the FS position rather than SS...depends on the defensive package, play call, etc. He is versatile, just like Huff was/is. Huff started out as a CB and was eventually moved to S....Griffin has followed the same path.

YoungTexanFan
11-07-2006, 11:08 PM
Griffin is always around the ball, and that is good, but it just seems to me that he is a few steps late. It just seems that he isn't very good in coverage or making the play on the ball before it is caught. We all know he can tackle well, but we have Earl and Brown who both excel at hitting hard and are mediocre in coverage. I know Griffin is an upgrade, but he is that same style, and personally...I am against it.

Ole Miss Texan
11-07-2006, 11:25 PM
I would love to have Landry or Griffin but don't know much about them besides whats on this board...

I would rather have and upgrade at the safety as far as coverage goes. Apparently brown and earl are good tacklers. i hate seeing receivers wide open down field. i would rather have a safety back there that doesn't have to tackle the receiver after he's caught it but just deflect the pass.

maybe a corner would be better in the 1st round and safety in the 2nd but are there legit FS in the 2nd? it seems the are all SS which may be not what we need most. please fill me in because i'm not very knowledgable when it comes to their exact role.

painekiller
11-07-2006, 11:27 PM
Landry is a legit FS and worth a high pick on. Griffin is more of a SS type with cover skills. Landry will change people's routes over the middle. Plan and simple.

bah007
11-07-2006, 11:54 PM
Landry is a legit FS and worth a high pick on. Griffin is more of a SS type with cover skills. Landry will change people's routes over the middle. Plan and simple.

So will Griffin.

Once a WR gets a taste of the medicine Griffin delivers over the middle he wont wanna go back inside the numbers.

painekiller
11-08-2006, 01:16 AM
I have watched both play,and Landry reminds me of a young Ronnie Lott, Griffin doesn't. Sorry. I like Griffin, but he is not the same kind of hitter Landry is.

That is my opinion. Yours can be different.

BTW I do not see Meriweather as being a hitter at all. :twocents:

TexansSeminole
11-08-2006, 01:27 AM
we have Earl and Brown who both excel at hitting hard and are mediocre in coverage.

I don't know...I would say Earl is a mediocre wrap-up tackler...but he can lay the wood down sometimes. Brown is a horrible tackler PERIOD. Our secondary tackling is BAD overall IMO. I think this is evident when Clinton Portis does not even stiff arm our secondary he just lets them bounce off of him (if u saw the redskins game you know what im talking about).

I have watched both play,and Landry reminds me of a young Ronnie Lott, Griffin doesn't. Sorry. I like Griffin, but he is not the same kind of hitter Landry is.

I agree that Landry can hit harder, be it on a receiver or a running back. What Griffin does is wrap up very well...very rarely do you see tacklers slip or break a tackle from Griffin. I dont know if I can say the same about Landry. Griffin might not hit as hard, but he comes with more consistancy downfield to make the tackle (on a running back) and he seems to more consistantly keep the player he is tackling from slipping away. Not that Landry is bad at this he just isn't as good as Griffin in form wrap-up tackling IMO.

YoungTexanFan
11-08-2006, 08:07 AM
So will Griffin.

Once a WR gets a taste of the medicine Griffin delivers over the middle he wont wanna go back inside the numbers.

So will Dwayne Slay. I don't want a SS hybrid who is a solid tackler who is average in coverage. I want a true FS who excells at coverage and is good enough to tackle when he needs to tackle.

Think of it like this:

The Rockets played with Bob Sura as their PG for a year or so, and he was more of a hybrid. He was not a true PG and was not very good at running the floor and passing. Then, you have a Steve Nash. He excells at running the team and controling the ball. He finds his man every time and with that respect comes his open shots that he hits. This is why he is our MVP two years running.


I do not want a Bob Sura for this team. I want a Steve Nash, maybe minus the Canadian thing. We need someone who excells at what we need most and seems born to play FS.

Think of it like this:

The Astros played Lance Berkman in center field for a year or so, and he was and still is a 1B. While he made his fair share of plays, he couldn't get to quite a few balls that year. Then, we got Willy T. His speed and natural ability to play CF helped our team tremendously. He was born to play CF and excells at it.

I do not want someone like Berkman running around for us in our "CF". That is a liability. I want someone like Willy who is a natural at the position.

hot pickle
11-08-2006, 08:20 AM
I think that we should go CB with our first pick and pick up Leon Hall from Michigan. He would make a good compliment to Robinson and we would have 2 strong corners and would allow us to move Faggins to nickel back where he belongs! If Meriweather or Griffin fell to the 2nd I would be all over them! Would be an amazing first 2 picks for us and would instantly improve our secondary!

i really like daymeion hughes, but i havent watched to many michigan games and never really watched hall, but whe that ohio state vs. Michigan game is on, i will be watchin hall, but i'd want a corner in the 1st, safety in the 2nd and then keep glenn earl or bring in a good vet, like ken hamlin, but ill put my trust in kubiak to bring at least 2 starters in through the draft :redtowel:

real
11-08-2006, 08:27 AM
I'm officially on the Draft Landry in the first bandwagon...

I think a good FS will do wonders for our whole defense....

beerlover
11-08-2006, 08:53 AM
I think y'all are to focused only on the big names at the safety position when NFL teams have to look deeper into College ranks to pull roster spots. This is the reason both will slip farther than you think & not worth a high pick like the Texans will have next spring, so forget about it unless they hang around when the Texans pick again.

What the Texans and most other teams need are players who can start in the trenches on both sides of the ball from the opening of fall camp. the Texans have gone defensive lineman two years in a row yet have never drafted a offensive lineman in the first even though everyone knows they need a franchise left tackle. thats the bandwagon I'm on.

Heck a trade up like a Babin scenero would be worth it I suppose if Landry is still available late 20's or something, but I have confidence there is more talent out there at the FS position like a Bob Sanders for instance (mid 2nd rd.) or latter (WR Marques Colston was a 7th rd pick- I remember watching him dominate the Aloha Bowl, don't know how he slipped that far?).

bah007
11-08-2006, 10:58 AM
So will Dwayne Slay. I don't want a SS hybrid who is a solid tackler who is average in coverage. I want a true FS who excells at coverage and is good enough to tackle when he needs to tackle.

Think of it like this:

The Rockets played with Bob Sura as their PG for a year or so, and he was more of a hybrid. He was not a true PG and was not very good at running the floor and passing. Then, you have a Steve Nash. He excells at running the team and controling the ball. He finds his man every time and with that respect comes his open shots that he hits. This is why he is our MVP two years running.


I do not want a Bob Sura for this team. I want a Steve Nash, maybe minus the Canadian thing. We need someone who excells at what we need most and seems born to play FS.

Think of it like this:

The Astros played Lance Berkman in center field for a year or so, and he was and still is a 1B. While he made his fair share of plays, he couldn't get to quite a few balls that year. Then, we got Willy T. His speed and natural ability to play CF helped our team tremendously. He was born to play CF and excells at it.

I do not want someone like Berkman running around for us in our "CF". That is a liability. I want someone like Willy who is a natural at the position.

Griffin is better than average in coverage. Comparing him to Dwayne Slay is ridiculous. I cant say for sure, but I am very confident that he will be at least one of the 3 fastest safeties at the combine next year. Griffin lays the wood when he can but is also an awesome wrap-up tackler. In the open field, he is the best tackler on the Texas roster, which is saying a helluva lot.

Your baseball metaphor has merit but your basketball metaphor is ridiculous. Comparing a below average player to a league superstar doesnt make sense. I see the arguement you are trying to make, but Nash is just flat-out more talented than Sura.

beerlover
11-08-2006, 05:00 PM
it would spell some slight relief if the Texans finally nab a Longhorn as high as the top of the 2nd rd. sooner or latter its gotta happen :stirpot:

YoungTexanFan
11-08-2006, 05:21 PM
Griffin is better than average in coverage. Comparing him to Dwayne Slay is ridiculous. I cant say for sure, but I am very confident that he will be at least one of the 3 fastest safeties at the combine next year. Griffin lays the wood when he can but is also an awesome wrap-up tackler. In the open field, he is the best tackler on the Texas roster, which is saying a helluva lot.

Your baseball metaphor has merit but your basketball metaphor is ridiculous. Comparing a below average player to a league superstar doesnt make sense. I see the arguement you are trying to make, but Nash is just flat-out more talented than Sura.

I know Griffin is pretty fast, and I know he can tackle. I just want a pure "center fielder" type FS.

I was using Nash's style not his talents. Maybe Chris Paul or TJ Ford would have been better substitutes instead of Nash. The point is, they are naturals and can lead their team. I want that out of our FS.

real
11-08-2006, 05:30 PM
I know Griffin is pretty fast, and I know he can tackle. I just want a pure "center fielder" type FS.

I was using Nash's style not his talents. Maybe Chris Paul or TJ Ford would have been better substitutes instead of Nash. The point is, they are naturals and can lead their team. I want that out of our FS.

You are saying that as if there haven't been other players to make a change of position when coming to the pro's or while in college and be more successful....

For instance...look at Hines Ward, Randle El, Matt Jones....I know there are a million guys in the leauge who've switched from DE to LB and vice vesa and had tons of success....You could even use Meco as an example...Going from OLB(his natural position) to MLB...If a player is good enough and a team has a need I don't see anything wrong with it...

But I wrote all this just to say I agree with you....somewhat....

If we got Griffin I would rather move Earl to FS...I think what Griffin would offer in run support, could be similar to what Polumalu does for the Steele guys...I think he could be that kind of player....

TexansSeminole
11-08-2006, 05:59 PM
I think y'all are to focused only on the big names at the safety position when NFL teams have to look deeper into College ranks to pull roster spots. This is the reason both will slip farther than you think & not worth a high pick like the Texans will have next spring, so forget about it unless they hang around when the Texans pick again.

I focus mainly on these two guys (Griffin and Landry) because I believe it is our biggest need, safety. These are just the best guys in the draft so I try to compare them. I don't know much about any other safeties besides Meriweather, Wendling, and Rouse(sp? from Vtech). The only one of these guys I would like to have is Wendling. I am not impressed with Rouse or Meriweather.

I haven't seem to find a safety like Bob Sanders in this draft. I was very high on Bob Sanders when he came out, I was hoping we would get him but we did not. He had a 40+ vertical...played fast, had coverage ability and tackling ability and it translated to the NFL. The guy who looks like he might resemble Bob Sanders the most (atleast in where he will go in the draft, and ability) is John Wendling. We will see though.

.I think what Griffin would offer in run support, could be similar to what Polumalu does for the Steele guys...I think he could be that kind of player....

I think that you hit that nail right on the head. I hadn't thought about it before but he plays alot like Polumalu. I also think he could be that kind of player, and you see how that works out for the Steelers. The thing Polumalu has that Griffin hasn't quite developed yet is his ability to play sideline to sideline in coverage. I remember hearing an NFL QB say one that time Polumalu covers more ground in coverage than any other safety in the league. I don't think that Griffin could be that good in coverage right away, but I think that Coach Hoke could coach him up real nice, and hopefully get him to that level.

painekiller
11-08-2006, 06:08 PM
If we got Griffin I would rather move Earl to FS...I think what Griffin would offer in run support, could be similar to what Polumalu does for the Steele guys...I think he could be that kind of player....


And Earl would be so out of position that you would be wondering why he is playing. Draft a FS not another SS.

infantrycak
11-08-2006, 07:32 PM
I focus mainly on these two guys (Griffin and Landry) because I believe it is our biggest need, safety.

Between now and next April I will end up saying this several times but if we end up drafting in the top 5 the only way the Texans should even think about drafting a safety is if he is the best safety prospect ever and makes Sean Taylor look like a slouch. Cap wise a $7+ mil safety makes zero sense when the franchise tag for safeties is $4.1 mil. You can't justify spending twice as much as the league's pro-bowlers if you don't have a virtual certainty the guy will be the best in the league regardless of need.

beerlover
11-08-2006, 07:50 PM
Between now and next April I will end up saying this several times but if we end up drafting in the top 5 the only way the Texans should even think about drafting a safety is if he is the best safety prospect ever and makes Sean Taylor look like a slouch. Cap wise a $7+ mil safety makes zero sense when the franchise tag for safeties is $4.1 mil. You can't justify spending twice as much as the league's pro-bowlers if you don't have a virtual certainty the guy will be the best in the league regardless of need.

very well stated, another reason if not another DE its going to be more than likely a franchise LT. have not read this myself, yet, but looks like a good read for those interested in such topics by Michael Lewis (author of Moneyball) concerning "Football's quiet millionaires" http://money.cnn.com/2006/10/13/commentary/sportsbiz/index.htm?section=money_topstories

I'd be fine with taking a FS in the 2nd rd provided Landry, Merriweather or Griffin are available & your guy, but where the Texans stand now in the pecking order of the draft (#5 overall) Carr should finally get his left side airbag :bowser:

dat_boy_yec
11-08-2006, 08:13 PM
Well, I don't think we'll be in the top 5 picks. Our team has greatly improved and should keep doing well in the second half. Top ten maybe, but Landry could be worth a top ten to us. I mean our secondary isn't really making plays yet, and right now it would be the best position to help the defense. LT I don't think will be addressed in the 1st rd. We got Spencer waiting and considering our offense calls for quicker linemen I don't see any reason to want him at G. the guy showed he was a good tackle before his injury and that should rule out any 1st rd. tackle for us. Also the way some people talk there are alot of good tackle prospects coming out this yr. moreso than I've heard FS's so I think we should take this opportunity to take a player that would help solidify one side of the ball.

TexansSeminole
11-09-2006, 12:10 AM
Between now and next April I will end up saying this several times but if we end up drafting in the top 5 the only way the Texans should even think about drafting a safety is if he is the best safety prospect ever and makes Sean Taylor look like a slouch. Cap wise a $7+ mil safety makes zero sense when the franchise tag for safeties is $4.1 mil. You can't justify spending twice as much as the league's pro-bowlers if you don't have a virtual certainty the guy will be the best in the league regardless of need.

I don't think we will be in the top 5. I agree though, both of these guys aren't worth taking in the top 5. Picks 6-10 is Landry territory, IMO. Picks 10-15 is Griffin territory, IMO.

real
11-09-2006, 07:48 AM
I don't think we'll be top 5, but if we are I hope they can trade down to about 10-13 and possibly pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick....

beerlover
11-09-2006, 08:47 AM
Well, I don't think we'll be in the top 5 picks. Our team has greatly improved and should keep doing well in the second half. Top ten maybe, but Landry could be worth a top ten to us. I mean our secondary isn't really making plays yet, and right now it would be the best position to help the defense.

Go Texans! another option is a bigger CB with good tackling/coverage skills that could be worked into the FS position with proper coaching from the 2nd or 3rd rds.

LT I don't think will be addressed in the 1st rd. We got Spencer waiting and considering our offense calls for quicker linemen I don't see any reason to want him at G. the guy showed he was a good tackle before his injury and that should rule out any 1st rd. tackle for us.

Nothing would please me more than to see Spencer return fully recoverd, but its not a slam dunk & even if he does his natural position is RT, IMO.

Also the way some people talk there are alot of good tackle prospects coming out this yr. moreso than I've heard FS's so I think we should take this opportunity to take a player that would help solidify one side of the ball.

Also by my count there is a 2:1 ratio of teams needing offensive line help over safety help, so with twice the Teams competing for the top tackles they should go earlier. the only other team with a pressing need @ FS is the Dallas Cowboys (who also need tackle help). So if the draft where today and there was a run on OT's early Landry very well might be a Cowboy with the 17th overall selection.

powda
11-11-2006, 04:55 PM
to me its tougher to find a quality cb in the first then it is to find a safety in the third...and the payoff for a cb is much greater. when u consider richard smith's tendency to call a blitz and the success its caused, i think it makes cb an even more important need. i think as nickle and dime backs faggins and sanders are both above average; as #2 cbs both of those guys are lacking.

the question is: does the best player available happen to be a cb or an olb?

i think that should be our primary concern.

next season i want a new cb opposite d-rob.

1 new olb.

1 new safety (fs or ss).

and 1 new offensive lineman (wigert or weary replaced) via free agency.

travis johnson has yet to show me anything and payne's injury is wait and see...dt may become a need (maddox is NOT starting quality!)

all that being said, with just a foggy idea on the quality of the talent available im in favor of a trade down...

rb is not yet a high priority for me (pending lundy's progress and davis' injury.)

beerlover
11-12-2006, 11:20 AM
the question is: does the best player available happen to be a cb or an olb?

NFL OLB is a projection type position- sometimes its a big physical SS or a explosive, non stop DE. While CB's are hard to find (this year is no exception-because there arent none warrenting a top 10 pick) is that really the Texans #1 need?

I watched Landry last night & he neither has the coverage skills of a FS or size of a OLB. the only position he looks natural at is Strong Safety, yet I wonder about his ability to read the playbook @ the next level (seems out of position alot) can he get by on sheer physical ability alone? Still could be a top 25 pick but would be a gamble in top 10.

So I do not foresee the bpa being either a CB or OLB unless you projected someone like Clemson Adam Gaines 6-5 260 DE to OLB :ok:

Champ
11-17-2006, 09:39 AM
You must have watched a different game than I did, cause Landry was awesome this last Saturday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R211e6JdVew

threetoedpete
11-17-2006, 03:23 PM
NFL OLB is a projection type position- sometimes its a big physical SS or a explosive, non stop DE. While CB's are hard to find (this year is no exception-because there arent none warrenting a top 10 pick) is that really the Texans #1 need?

I watched Landry last night & he neither has the coverage skills of a FS or size of a OLB. the only position he looks natural at is Strong Safety, yet I wonder about his ability to read the playbook @ the next level (seems out of position alot) can he get by on sheer physical ability alone? Still could be a top 25 pick but would be a gamble in top 10.

So I do not foresee the bpa being either a CB or OLB unless you projected someone like Clemson Adam Gaines 6-5 260 DE to OLB :ok:

I agree we're not going to convince anyone though beerlover. I've watch him three games and I see Ko Simpson II. Maybe we're missing something. Maybe the kid is holding back for injury purposes, I dunno. I'm in your camp. look for the big corner to groom for FS. We got two SSs. Adding another to the collection makes no sense to me. Looks like the center from Tech is going to be in the mix this year. Doubt he'll fall as far as your wish list...just saynig he's a big kid who might translate to RG also. Nice post beerlover. Keep em' coming.

LORK 88
11-17-2006, 03:35 PM
You must have watched a different game than I did, cause Landry was awesome this last Saturday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R211e6JdVew
Agreed, heres what I saw from the game last week against Alabama. I normally take draft notes when I watch TV on Saturdays, they just tend to get ingnored when I post them here for some reason (my guess is length or not enough people care):

* Speaking of LSU, LaRon Landry is everything that he's supposed to be. 1st off, he can tackle very well in run support. What caught my eye most was his pass coverage. He was rarely thrown on. In fact, the only time I saw him get thrown on was a quick 3 yard out in which he read and almost picked it off. This guy mentally is just ahead of the game and looks extremely mature. I'm still going to try to watch more, but this guy justified my want for him in R1 next years draft.

threetoedpete
11-17-2006, 03:46 PM
to me its tougher to find a quality cb in the first then it is to find a safety in the third...and the payoff for a cb is much greater. when u consider richard smith's tendency to call a blitz and the success its caused, i think it makes cb an even more important need. i think as nickle and dime backs faggins and sanders are both above average; as #2 cbs both of those guys are lacking.

the question is: does the best player available happen to be a cb or an olb?

i think that should be our primary concern.

next season i want a new cb opposite d-rob.

1 new olb.

1 new safety (fs or ss).

and 1 new offensive lineman (wigert or weary replaced) via free agency.

travis johnson has yet to show me anything and payne's injury is wait and see...dt may become a need (maddox is NOT starting quality!)

all that being said, with just a foggy idea on the quality of the talent available im in favor of a trade down...

rb is not yet a high priority for me (pending lundy's progress and davis' injury.)

Your fixing to get educated on the value of offensive lineman the last seven Texans games. And...the latest news is the last free agent OLT we tried to sign, Pace, just blew out his knee. Don't mean to bang on ya, but at this point in frachise history it's getting redundant to continully post this. How many dregs from FA will you require befor you see the light. You wanna bring in a skill guy, stray LB, safty, I got no problem with that. You wanna catch the Colts and go to the super bowl, you better make a habit of beating the other thirty two clubs to the elite OL's and DTs of the world early and often in the draft. If you don't have that, you're just a donut. You're a hamburger without the meat. You ain't going to the big dance. And the reason I know this is because the is no better tallent at the skill positons than they have at Zona. And they sux. You better draft one high OL every year untill you got your starting five pluss three very cabable reserves. Untill they do that, this team will be perpetually drafting in the top ten every year. I don't care who the QB/RBs are. Book it. There is a reason Andy Reid kept ten ol guys on the roster out of camp. I don't care who the coach is. Live by the dregs, die by the dregs. You'll see.

bah007
11-17-2006, 03:50 PM
Highlights of Griffin from last year. He is a big time hitter. His form tackling is very good. The pick against USC is just sick. That's probably why they show it about 10 times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynFNxQ3b5-U

Haven't found a tape of combined highlights for this season.

Whoever drafts him would be stupid not to put him in on punt block.

threetoedpete
11-17-2006, 03:57 PM
Agreed, heres what I saw from the game last week against Alabama. I normally take draft notes when I watch TV on Saturdays, they just tend to get ingnored when I post them here for some reason (my guess is length or not enough people care):

If you're correct and it's a function of teams not daring to chaallenge him. You may have point. I could well be blinded by my OLT view. He's supposed to be a playmaker, and I havn't seen no plays from him. That'll change in the bowl games. I have "danger Will Robinson" all over the guy though. I wanna see it.

beerlover
11-17-2006, 04:19 PM
Agreed, heres what I saw from the game last week against Alabama. I normally take draft notes when I watch TV on Saturdays, they just tend to get ingnored when I post them here for some reason (my guess is length or not enough people care):

3 solo tackles, 2 assisted, 1 hurry & 1 break-up impressive :rolleyes:

what he seems good at (to me) is finishing plays, excellent wrap up tackler with exceptional closing speed. recognizing coverage, being a student of the game thats another issue. To me he is a physical player, instinctive but in the NFL to be a FS or MIKE (look at DeMeco) you need to be smart & student of the game.

all that being said I like Eric Weddle of Utah as a possiblity in the 2nd. Could be another Bob Sanders (Colts) type with corner skills, experience w/football savy. :)

bah007
11-17-2006, 04:23 PM
3 solo tackles, 2 assisted, 1 hurry & 1 break-up impressive :rolleyes:

what he seems good at (to me) is finishing plays, excellent wrap up tackler with exceptional closing speed. recognizing coverage, being a student of the game thats another issue. To me he is a physical player, instinctive but in the NFL to be a FS or MIKE (look at DeMeco) you need to be smart & student of the game.

all that being said I like Eric Weddle of Utah as a possiblity in the 2nd. Could be another Bob Sanders (Colts) type with corner skills, experience w/football savy. :)

I agree.

If we dont go DB in the first then I would love to pick up Weddle in the 2nd if he is still there. He can play CB & FS in the NFL (think Michael Huff but not as fast).

TexansSeminole
11-17-2006, 04:54 PM
If you're correct and it's a function of teams not daring to chaallenge him. You may have point. I could well be blinded by my OLT view. He's supposed to be a playmaker, and I havn't seen no plays from him. That'll change in the bowl games. I have "danger Will Robinson" all over the guy though. I wanna see it.

Teams gameplan around LaRon. He rarely gets challenged and when he does he usually shows the team why they gameplanned against him in the first place.

Only time I have seen him get challenged and didn't make the play was againt Tennessee. I am pretty sure I posted what happened on this play earlier in the thread...or maybe on a different thread.

Of course, I have not watched that many LSU games in the last 4 years. I've seen enough from Landry though...looks to me like a great player.

LORK 88
11-17-2006, 05:07 PM
3 solo tackles, 2 assisted, 1 hurry & 1 break-up impressive :rolleyes:

what he seems good at (to me) is finishing plays, excellent wrap up tackler with exceptional closing speed. recognizing coverage, being a student of the game thats another issue. To me he is a physical player, instinctive but in the NFL to be a FS or MIKE (look at DeMeco) you need to be smart & student of the game.

all that being said I like Eric Weddle of Utah as a possiblity in the 2nd. Could be another Bob Sanders (Colts) type with corner skills, experience w/football savy. :)
I see 2 major problems. 1st off, your reading way too much into his stats, which I assure you right now everyone will admit are deceptive in the entire game of football. Like I said, he rarely was thrown on and plays weren't normally to his side. 2nd, you call him instictive, but then say he needs to be smart? I really don't catch the difference here. I also feel that your misjudging Landry severely if you think he's an ideot (this is the only way i could spell the word with out it blocking it). Personally, I thought he looked mentally mature and ahead of the game by far . . .

beerlover
11-17-2006, 06:27 PM
I see 2 major problems. 1st off, your reading way too much into his stats, which I assure you right now everyone will admit are deceptive in the entire game of football. Like I said, he rarely was thrown on and plays weren't normally to his side. 2nd, you call him instictive, but then say he needs to be smart? I really don't catch the difference here. I also feel that your misjudging Landry severely if you think he's an ideot (this is the only way i could spell the word with out it blocking it). Personally, I thought he looked mentally mature and ahead of the game by far . . .

its hard to even find defensive numbers regardless of significance, even harder for offensive lineman. I was responding to the last game specificly because that was the one I watched. I wanted to see what all the buzz was about that has stretched this thread over 6 pages. you could very well be correct that he is rarely thrown into the mix because teams will gameplan around him or that Pelini's defense is not safety-friendly as oppossed to Sabin who played him more up on the line of scrimmage. one way or the other it seemed like he was negated or a non-factor. Bama still threw for 100 yards more & total offense was within 50 of the Tigers they just could not score in the redzone.

Regarding intelligence I never said he was an ideot (communications major) I do favour a player who has to make up for his lack of athletic ability by outworking others in the film room, takes angles & makes reads without taking huge gambles. if there is a flaw in his game (besides misuse in the context of the LSU defense) its his overaggressiveness which seems more typical in gifted athletes but in the end fill up the highlight reel not the boxscore :tease:



I will say this LSU has at least as much talent on the field as any team in the country. they should be undefeated so maybe it is coaching. I like several of their players including Landry, he should have an excellent Bowl game, then on to the combines for some impressive numbers as well as a personel workout @ Relient.

powda
11-17-2006, 07:31 PM
Your fixing to get educated


you'd have a leg to stand on ,and i'd be just part of the redundant crowd if capers and casserly were here...

news flash!


the short bus offense is gone.

maybe you missed it but kubiak has proven he can find value in the late rounds. since we dont run a typical offense with cornfed lineman we can wait just a bit longer to get the linemen you crave. denver made a habit of that for years.

im not suggesting we dont do anything to help our line...in fact i said just the oppostie (regarding the ol and the dt spots...) if you were paying attention
i said at this point the dt spot was wait and see.

i guess i have diffrent priorities, but thanks for the fire and brimstone speech about dregs. i feel educated now.

elgonzo2003
11-20-2006, 05:30 PM
Does anyone have any information about the LSU safety Laron Landry. His stats look nice but I haven't seen him play on T.V., there is a sweet video of him on Youtube getting a sack against Alabama. ESPN has him being the best DB on the board, and since we desperately need help in the that position I like to know what everyone else thought of him.

LORK 88
11-20-2006, 05:45 PM
Does anyone have any information about the LSU safety Laron Landry. His stats look nice but I haven't seen him play on T.V., there is a sweet video of him on Youtube getting a sack against Alabama. ESPN has him being the best DB on the board, and since we desperately need help in the that position I like to know what everyone else thought of him.
A ballhawk in coverage, solid tackler, very mature and to me it seems like he's ahead of the game. Good size, been productive since he was a freshman at a top school. Doesnt make too many mistakes and can be trusted.

TexansCanes
11-21-2006, 05:25 PM
Laron had a pretty good game against ole miss. he didn't miss a tackle which was huge because he was left in a lot of one-on-one situations with with schaffer (sp). he didn't really get challenged though the air since ole miss was really sitting on the ball in the second half. i'm glad to see that pelini is starting to let him blitz more. rarely does he blitz and not get a good hit on the qb.

AndreRulz
11-24-2006, 10:42 AM
merriweather looked very solid last night against BC, he laid some big hits on people and covered just as well as a corner. His all around skills I like better than Landry's.

beerlover
11-24-2006, 08:00 PM
I was very impressed with Landry today against Arkansas, he is really an outstanding wrap-up tackler in the secondary something the Texans need. Not impressed with his foot speed or coverage ability, plays alot like a weakside linebacker I'm just wondering how much bigger he could get once in the NFL? imagine him next to DeMeco, he plays physical enough to seal off the edge, just not sure if he could shed the much bigger NFL blockers, TE's FB's & pulling guards.

I'm warming up to him as a FS @ the next level, just trying to imagine the options :drool:

AndreRulz
11-26-2006, 06:53 AM
yes against arkansas he was very good the only one who could stop McFadden and felix jones

TexansSeminole
11-27-2006, 01:25 AM
Some more Landry footage:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RvKaO78Ov2I