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kastofsna
10-04-2006, 10:59 AM
simple and to the point. this order is going off of current records.

1: Tennessee - Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech.
2: Detroit - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame.
3: Oakland - Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma.
4: Tampa Bay - Drew Stanton, QB, Michigan State.
5: San Francisco - LaRon Landry, S, LSU.
6: Miami - Joe Thomas, T, Wisconsin.
7: Cleveland - Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn State.
8: Houston - Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami (FL).
9: Green Bay - Sidney Rice, WR, South Carolina.
10: Arizona - Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson

real
10-04-2006, 11:01 AM
simple and to the point. this order is going off of current records.

1: Tennessee - Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech.
2: Detroit - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame.
3: Oakland - Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma.
4: Tampa Bay - Drew Stanton, QB, Michigan State.
5: San Francisco - LaRon Landry, S, LSU.
6: Miami - Joe Thomas, T, Wisconsin.
7: Cleveland - Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn State.
8: Houston - Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami (FL).
9: Green Bay - Sidney Rice, WR, South Carolina.
10: Arizona - Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson

If Detroit takes Quinn, They will set their franchise back another 3-4 years...

kastofsna
10-04-2006, 11:16 AM
that's about the learning curve for any rookie QB, so that sounds about right.

quinn is excellent.

TexanSam
10-04-2006, 11:25 AM
If Detroit takes Quinn, They will set their franchise back another 3-4 years...

Actually, if they keep Matt Millen as their GM, he'll set that franchise back every single year he's there. He makes Charley Casserly look competent.

NEROtheZERO
10-04-2006, 12:25 PM
I hope to god Tenn doesn't take CJ. I would hate to have to cheer against a Tech ex.

mexican_texan
10-04-2006, 12:29 PM
I hope to god Tenn doesn't take CJ. I would hate to have to cheer against a Tech ex.
You mean like a lot of us do for Vince Young?

V Man
10-04-2006, 12:56 PM
simple and to the point. this order is going off of current records.

1: Tennessee - Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech.
2: Detroit - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame.
3: Oakland - Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma.
4: Tampa Bay - Drew Stanton, QB, Michigan State.
5: San Francisco - LaRon Landry, S, LSU.
6: Miami - Joe Thomas, T, Wisconsin.
7: Cleveland - Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn State.
8: Houston - Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami (FL).
9: Green Bay - Sidney Rice, WR, South Carolina.
10: Arizona - Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson

How did you figure Tenessee number 1 over Oakland and Detroit. If either of them are first the whole top ten changes.

Oakland could take Quinn
Detroit could take Thomas

rmartin65
10-04-2006, 01:01 PM
I am not real big on Stanton. Dont know why though.

kastofsna
10-04-2006, 01:12 PM
How did you figure Tenessee number 1 over Oakland and Detroit. If either of them are first the whole top ten changes.

Oakland could take Quinn
Detroit could take Thomas
who cares? they're 0-4 and are playing worse than detroit, the only other 0-4 team, so i put them #1.

NEROtheZERO
10-04-2006, 01:22 PM
You mean like a lot of us do for Vince Young?

What?

Trap_Star
10-04-2006, 01:27 PM
How did you figure Tenessee number 1 over Oakland and Detroit. If either of them are first the whole top ten changes.

Oakland could take Quinn
Detroit could take Thomas

I agree, Oakland is on a one-way ticket to the #1 pick...and knowing Al Davis, he'll take Ginn #1 because of his speed...:francis:

NEROtheZERO
10-04-2006, 01:31 PM
I agree, Oakland is on a one-way ticket to the #1 pick...and knowing Al Davis, he'll take Ginn #1 because of his speed...:francis:

I don't know much about what is going on in Oakland but from the looks of their MB they are pretty content with Walter.

real
10-04-2006, 01:33 PM
I don't know much about what is going on in Oakland but from the looks of their MB they are pretty content with Walter.

I heard an interview with Moss on NFL network last night...and to me it sounds like he wants out....He said he would welcome a trade...They were also saying that a lot of the players are in support of Joey Porter and no one seems to know why the coaches won't play him...

Trap_Star
10-04-2006, 01:44 PM
I heard an interview with Moss on NFL network last night...and to me it sounds like he wants out....He said he would welcome a trade...They were also saying that a lot of the players are in support of Joey Porter and no one seems to know why the coaches won't play him...

Moss to Miami for Chambers and Harrington...:stirpot:

mexican_texan
10-04-2006, 01:52 PM
I hope to god Tenn doesn't take CJ. I would hate to have to cheer against a Tech ex.

What?

VY is with Tenn...he used to be with UT....

V Man
10-04-2006, 01:54 PM
who cares? they're 0-4 and are playing worse than detroit, the only other 0-4 team, so i put them #1.

Just curious, don't get upset. And Oakland is playing worse than both of them (blow a 21 to 3 lead to Cleveland).

kastofsna
10-04-2006, 02:33 PM
Moss to Miami for Chambers and Harrington...:stirpot:
uh no.
Just curious, don't get upset. And Oakland is playing worse than both of them (blow a 21 to 3 lead to Cleveland).
yeah, but tennessee is 0-4.

LORK 88
10-04-2006, 03:12 PM
yeah, but tennessee is 0-4.
Oakland is last in offense by a good 70 yards and has scored 2 offensive TDs total. If their not the worst (because Tennessee is pretty bad too, im sure most could make a solid case for them), their definietly #2.

TexansCanes
10-04-2006, 04:41 PM
you think that Sidney Rice is better than Dwayne Jarrett or that Dwayne isn't coming out? I think both are very good but i have been very impressed with how dwayne has played (when healthy) and think that he is right behind CJ when it comes to wr.

Titan "Tack" Fan
10-04-2006, 05:17 PM
simple and to the point. this order is going off of current records.

1: Tennessee - Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech.
2: Detroit - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame.
3: Oakland - Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma.
4: Tampa Bay - Drew Stanton, QB, Michigan State.
5: San Francisco - LaRon Landry, S, LSU.
6: Miami - Joe Thomas, T, Wisconsin.
7: Cleveland - Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn State.
8: Houston - Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami (FL).
9: Green Bay - Sidney Rice, WR, South Carolina.
10: Arizona - Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson

Sounds Great to me!!! Calvin Johnson is amazing and he has size. You can't teach size.

YoungTexanFan
10-04-2006, 05:31 PM
you think that Sidney Rice is better than Dwayne Jarrett or that Dwayne isn't coming out? I think both are very good but i have been very impressed with how dwayne has played (when healthy) and think that he is right behind CJ when it comes to wr.

I put Rice over Jarrett. I put Rice right behind Johnson.

real
10-04-2006, 05:41 PM
I put Rice over Jarrett. I put Rice right behind Johnson.

Where do you put Smardijza(sp) ???

Titan "Tack" Fan
10-04-2006, 05:43 PM
Where do you put Smardijza(sp) ???



Smardzjia is overrated. He was good last year because no one knew who he was and didn't double team him. They know his ability and are shutting him down this year.

real
10-04-2006, 05:46 PM
Smardzjia is overrated. He was good last year because no one knew who he was and didn't double team him. They know his ability and are shutting him down this year.

I don't know about this group of recievers...IMO, Calvin Johnson is the clear cut #1....after that it kinda gets a little fuzzy...

TexansSeminole
10-04-2006, 06:11 PM
Where do you put Smardijza(sp) ???

My reciever talent list goes like this:
Calvin Johnson
Jerret
Ginn Jr.
Smardijza, Rice


Problem with Smardijza is that he has already been drafted by MLB.

kastofsna
10-04-2006, 06:12 PM
you think that Sidney Rice is better than Dwayne Jarrett or that Dwayne isn't coming out? I think both are very good but i have been very impressed with how dwayne has played (when healthy) and think that he is right behind CJ when it comes to wr.
rice is better than jarrett, and he's going to put up ridiculous combine numbers, putting him in the top 10 easily.

Texans86
10-04-2006, 07:31 PM
simple and to the point. this order is going off of current records.

1: Tennessee - Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech.
2: Detroit - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame.
3: Oakland - Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma.
4: Tampa Bay - Drew Stanton, QB, Michigan State.
5: San Francisco - LaRon Landry, S, LSU.
6: Miami - Joe Thomas, T, Wisconsin.
7: Cleveland - Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn State.
8: Houston - Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami (FL).
9: Green Bay - Sidney Rice, WR, South Carolina.
10: Arizona - Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson

Dang, Pozluszny goes one before us. I would love to have his heart on the field. He is a football player, I don't care what stats he puts up at the combine. I can just see DeMeco Ryans and Posluszny wrecking havoc for years to come.

V Man
10-04-2006, 08:36 PM
Dang, Pozluszny goes one before us. I would love to have his heart on the field. He is a football player, I don't care what stats he puts up at the combine. I can just see DeMeco Ryans and Posluszny wrecking havoc for years to come.


We need Patrick Willis from Mississippi. Put him in the middle and move Ryans back outside and let them get after people.

kastofsna
10-04-2006, 08:52 PM
We need Patrick Willis from Mississippi. Put him in the middle and move Ryans back outside and let them get after people.
if you're picking top 10 you take posluszny over willis any day of the week.

YoungTexanFan
10-04-2006, 09:38 PM
Where do you put Smardijza(sp) ???

1. CJ
2. Rice
3. Jarrett
4. smardijza
5. ginn jr

YoungTexanFan
10-04-2006, 09:39 PM
if you're picking top 10 you take posluszny over willis any day of the week.

I wouldn't. Not right now at least. Last year, yes. Post traumatic knee injury, no.

mexican_texan
10-04-2006, 10:35 PM
My reciever talent list goes like this:
Calvin Johnson
Jerret
Ginn Jr.
Smardijza, Rice


Problem with Smardijza is that he has already been drafted by MLB.
...and his dedication to football has to be questioned. He gets a big bonus if he decides to stick to baseball.

kastofsna
10-04-2006, 10:39 PM
I wouldn't. Not right now at least. Last year, yes. Post traumatic knee injury, no.
he'll be fine a year from now. he's already shown signs of recovering his old forum as the season progressed.

YoungTexanFan
10-04-2006, 10:47 PM
he'll be fine a year from now. he's already shown signs of recovering his old forum as the season progressed.

Nothing is ever certian. I just wouldnt spend that high a pick on him. McGahee was going to go no later than #3 overall to us, and fell to #23 and he was clearly THE premier RB in the draft. He was well decorated and tested as an amazing athlete. I do not see plouz being top 10 quality when he would be doing good to go top 10 w/out his knee injury. I love how he plays, and I'm a huge supporter, but we must be reasonable.

YoungTexanFan
10-04-2006, 10:47 PM
...and his dedication to football has to be questioned. He gets a big bonus if he decides to stick to baseball.

yeah, 3 mil.

I gave my list based on talent, not probability of actually wanting to play in the NFL.

Sarg01
10-04-2006, 11:02 PM
I agree, Oakland is on a one-way ticket to the #1 pick...and knowing Al Davis, he'll take Ginn #1 because of his speed...:francis:

Just because the Raiders are the worst team in the league doesn't mean they're going to get the #1 pick. Who are the Titans supposed to beat? Us? Buffalo (in Buffalo, on Christmas Eve)? Patriots in Week 17 (should have clinched already)? Their schedule's worse than ours - They got San Diego, we got Oakland. They got Baltimore, we got Cleveland. They play us, we play them. Apart from those differences, we've got the same opponents.

Texans86
10-04-2006, 11:59 PM
I wouldn't. Not right now at least. Last year, yes. Post traumatic knee injury, no.

"He helped lead the Penn State Nittany Lions to a win in the 2006 Orange Bowl against Florida State University but left the game in the 4th quarter after partially tearing two ligaments in his knee; the injury will not require surgery."

That's from wikipedia. If it didn't require surgery, I wouldn't count it as "traumatic knee injury". Yeah, it was bad, but he didn't tear an ACL or anything like that. I read an ESPN article about this guy in the summer, and he wanted to be back on the field then, but they were still holding him out. He has the heart of a champion, and I think with both his and D.Ryans talent and will, we could have one of the best second levels of defense in the league.

Edit: Unless something completely screwy happens between now and draft day, i.e. injury, drug problems, ect, he will be a top ten pick. I'm pretty sure he compares with AJ Hawk.

TexansSeminole
10-05-2006, 01:42 AM
Just because the Raiders are the worst team in the league doesn't mean they're going to get the #1 pick. Who are the Titans supposed to beat? Us? Buffalo (in Buffalo, on Christmas Eve)? Patriots in Week 17 (should have clinched already)? Their schedule's worse than ours - They got San Diego, we got Oakland. They got Baltimore, we got Cleveland. They play us, we play them. Apart from those differences, we've got the same opponents.

True. They are still worse than us.

SF49erFaithful
10-05-2006, 02:04 AM
I don't really like the SF pick. What we need is someone to help out with the pass rush, so in that scenario i would imagine we go with Quentin Moses out of Georgia.

Also, don't like Posluzny (sp?) going that high because he hasn't exactly been tearing it up this year. Not sure why you have him going to Cleveland either. Same goes for Rice, he certainly isn't playing like a top 10 pick.

TheOgre
10-05-2006, 03:22 AM
What?

You said you didn't want Tenn to take CJ because you would hate to root against a Tech player. He responded that a lot of us (Texas Longhorn fans) already endure that issue with Vince Young playing for Tenn. I don't see what is so confusing about that, but I thought I would clarify.

YoungTexanFan
10-05-2006, 06:52 AM
"He helped lead the Penn State Nittany Lions to a win in the 2006 Orange Bowl against Florida State University but left the game in the 4th quarter after partially tearing two ligaments in his knee; the injury will not require surgery."

That's from wikipedia. If it didn't require surgery, I wouldn't count it as "traumatic knee injury". Yeah, it was bad, but he didn't tear an ACL or anything like that. I read an ESPN article about this guy in the summer, and he wanted to be back on the field then, but they were still holding him out. He has the heart of a champion, and I think with both his and D.Ryans talent and will, we could have one of the best second levels of defense in the league.

Edit: Unless something completely screwy happens between now and draft day, i.e. injury, drug problems, ect, he will be a top ten pick. I'm pretty sure he compares with AJ Hawk.


I'm still iffy about it. I love him as a player, but he is also more of an OLB than MLB.

kastofsna
10-05-2006, 08:17 AM
I don't really like the SF pick. What we need is someone to help out with the pass rush, so in that scenario i would imagine we go with Quentin Moses out of Georgia.

Also, don't like Posluzny (sp?) going that high because he hasn't exactly been tearing it up this year. Not sure why you have him going to Cleveland either. Same goes for Rice, he certainly isn't playing like a top 10 pick.
you need a lot of things. safety being one of them.

put posluszny in front of ted washington and watch him sew up the ROTY easily. they need that tedy bruschi type for romeo crennel's defense. rice is playing very well, he's just in an offense that's going through all kinds of things right now. spurrier is implementing something he's never had before, which is a zone-read type of thing. once rice has his combine.....all discussion is over, he goes top 10.

kastofsna
10-05-2006, 08:19 AM
I'm still iffy about it. I love him as a player, but he is also more of an OLB than MLB.
i disagree with that. while he's played more OLB than ILB, i think he has that body-to-the-ball mentality of a ILB. it's a learning experience for him this year, and by season's end, he'll look like an all-american. his versatility will go a long way with NFL teams.

real
10-05-2006, 08:19 AM
once rice has his combine.....all discussion is over, he goes top 10.

What do you reckon his numbers will look like ?:cowboy1:

kastofsna
10-05-2006, 08:20 AM
What do you reckon his numbers will look like ?:cowboy1:
4 flat 40.

real
10-05-2006, 08:23 AM
4 flat 40.

You are being fecitious....right?

kastofsna
10-05-2006, 08:25 AM
me? naaaaaaw

AlbinoRat
10-05-2006, 02:34 PM
If Landry is gone, I just can't see us taking Meriweather with a top ten pick. We'd either trade or pick a different position. There is no way he is worth a top ten pick.

kastofsna
10-05-2006, 02:40 PM
he is.

real
10-05-2006, 03:04 PM
Merriweather is pretty good....He is a beast against the pass and he is a beast against the run...I don't know what else you could want out of a safety...

YoungTexanFan
10-05-2006, 05:45 PM
i disagree with that. while he's played more OLB than ILB, i think he has that body-to-the-ball mentality of a ILB. it's a learning experience for him this year, and by season's end, he'll look like an all-american. his versatility will go a long way with NFL teams.

He may have the mentality, but so does Ryans. They are built very similar with Ryan having the advantage athleticly. I love how he plays, but we already have our version. We need a young Sharper.

YoungTexanFan
10-05-2006, 05:47 PM
Merriweather is pretty good....He is a beast against the pass and he is a beast against the run...I don't know what else you could want out of a safety...

Look at it like this:

Merriwether is not as good as Landry, who is not as good as ST was at Miami.

ST went #5 to the Skins.

Landry is the best FS available, but he is not in the same class as ST was. Landry does not deserve top 10. Merriwether does not deserve top 15.

YoungTexanFan
10-05-2006, 05:48 PM
What do you reckon his numbers will look like ?:cowboy1:

I'm expecting around 4.32, 12 reps, 41 in vert, and hands of glue. That is his game, that is what you will see.

real
10-05-2006, 05:50 PM
Look at it like this:

Merriwether is not as good as Landry, who is not as good as ST was at Miami.

ST went #5 to the Skins.

Landry is the best FS available, but he is not in the same class as ST was. Landry does not deserve top 10. Merriwether does not deserve top 15.

I haven't seen Landry play...I've been told he is good....

I have however seen Merriweather play...
Merriwether can cover the slot...play deep halves...and come up and absolutely stuff the run...IMO, thats as complete as it gets...

and IF Landry is better than him....

I think he is worth a top ten....

Sean Taylor is a whole different animal...He could have probably went top ten as a linebacker....

YoungTexanFan
10-05-2006, 06:05 PM
I haven't seen Landry play...I've been told he is good....

I have however seen Merriweather play...
Merriwether can cover the slot...play deep halves...and come up and absolutely stuff the run...IMO, thats as complete as it gets...

and IF Landry is better than him....

I think he is worth a top ten....

Sean Taylor is a whole different animal...He could have probably went top ten as a linebacker....

Landry is good, but he is not amazing. His reads on the ball are poor and he often turns his hips the wrong way. He also goes for the man first instead of the ball.

Goldeagle
10-05-2006, 06:24 PM
8: Houston - Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami (FL).

That'd be nice!

kastofsna
10-05-2006, 06:54 PM
I haven't seen Landry play...I've been told he is good....

I have however seen Merriweather play...
Merriwether can cover the slot...play deep halves...and come up and absolutely stuff the run...IMO, thats as complete as it gets...

and IF Landry is better than him....

I think he is worth a top ten....

Sean Taylor is a whole different animal...He could have probably went top ten as a linebacker....
i said sean taylor was the best prospect i've ever seen before the draft. never seen a safety dominate a game like he did at miami. he was always at the ball--ALWAYS. you threw the ball anywhere near him and it was intercepted. period. completely unbeatable.

however he's been somewhat of a disappointment in the NFL. gets beat on the pass way too often. he's still a top safety though, so maybe my expectations were just a tad bit too high.

SF49erFaithful
10-05-2006, 07:20 PM
you need a lot of things. safety being one of them.

put posluszny in front of ted washington and watch him sew up the ROTY easily. they need that tedy bruschi type for romeo crennel's defense. rice is playing very well, he's just in an offense that's going through all kinds of things right now. spurrier is implementing something he's never had before, which is a zone-read type of thing. once rice has his combine.....all discussion is over, he goes top 10.

Safety isn't a huge need for us. We will probably need a SS if we don't resign Parrish at the end of the season. So i doubt we take Landry since he is a FS, but if we do draft a safety in round 1 I'd imagine Michael Griffin is a top priority.

Posluzny isn't having a good year so far at PSU, so i doubt he goes in the top 10. Also, Cleveland doesn't really need an ILB, they have Andra Davis who is good and just drafted D'Qwell Jackson this past draft.

Also, it doesn't matter what is going on with Rice's system. Bottom line, if your not tearing it up in college your not gonna be a top 10 pick.

Goldeagle
10-05-2006, 08:38 PM
Safety isn't a huge need for us. We will probably need a SS if we don't resign Parrish at the end of the season. So i doubt we take Landry since he is a FS, but if we do draft a safety in round 1 I'd imagine Michael Griffin is a top priority.

Posluzny isn't having a good year so far at PSU, so i doubt he goes in the top 10. Also, Cleveland doesn't really need an ILB, they have Andra Davis who is good and just drafted D'Qwell Jackson this past draft.

Also, it doesn't matter what is going on with Rice's system. Bottom line, if your not tearing it up in college your not gonna be a top 10 pick.


Safety is a BIG concern for us (as other places)

We cant cover the deep route, they miss tackles and CC and Earl are basically the same guy. We need a playmaker in the S position, someone who can cover and not get burned on deep passes.

The guy from "The U" could be that guy for us.

kastofsna
10-06-2006, 08:25 AM
Safety isn't a huge need for us. We will probably need a SS if we don't resign Parrish at the end of the season. So i doubt we take Landry since he is a FS, but if we do draft a safety in round 1 I'd imagine Michael Griffin is a top priority.

Posluzny isn't having a good year so far at PSU, so i doubt he goes in the top 10. Also, Cleveland doesn't really need an ILB, they have Andra Davis who is good and just drafted D'Qwell Jackson this past draft.

Also, it doesn't matter what is going on with Rice's system. Bottom line, if your not tearing it up in college your not gonna be a top 10 pick.
you don't go by "huge need" in the first round, it's pure BPA (or if you're smart that's what you do). he'd be a major upgrade over mike adams, plain and simple.

posluzsny isn't having the same year as last year, but he's getting better, and considering he's coming off of a knee injury and adjusting to a new position, it's looking like he'll be in top form near season's end.

and that's a pretty ridiculous thing to say. when rice is thrown the ball he catches it, plain and simple. scouts aren't stupid, they see what's wrong with USC's offense. they know he's the same player everyone was in awe over last year. he's still going to run a 4.3 40 at the combine. he's going top 10.

kastofsna
10-06-2006, 08:29 AM
I doubt Calvin Johnson goes first only because WR's so rarely go first. In fact it has only happened twice, if I remember correctly. Also I think Tennessee will draft Peterson if given the chance. Just a gut feeling I have. My favorite is the Raiders passing up a QB again when they need a QB more than anything. Aaron Brooks will take them nowhere.
history doesn't mean anything here. not too many DE's went first. and san francisco never took a QB in the top 10, so naturally there was no way they would take alex smith, right? tennessee goes BPA, and the BPA happens to be calvin johnson. simple. and i don't think brady quinn or drew stanton fits the raider mystique for QB's, so they'll stick with walter. brooks sucks obviously, he's not even part of the equation.

SF49erFaithful
10-06-2006, 07:35 PM
you don't go by "huge need" in the first round, it's pure BPA (or if you're smart that's what you do). he'd be a major upgrade over mike adams, plain and simple.

posluzsny isn't having the same year as last year, but he's getting better, and considering he's coming off of a knee injury and adjusting to a new position, it's looking like he'll be in top form near season's end.

and that's a pretty ridiculous thing to say. when rice is thrown the ball he catches it, plain and simple. scouts aren't stupid, they see what's wrong with USC's offense. they know he's the same player everyone was in awe over last year. he's still going to run a 4.3 40 at the combine. he's going top 10.

Well actually in your mock we didn't take the BPA or choose by need. Quentin Moses > LaRon Landry and that would fill a need. Why Moses wasn't in your mock is beyond me.

Posluzny is slightly better with the brace on, but if he continues how he has been playing all season so far he could even fall out of round 1 completely.

Well Rice isn't having that good of a year and even I am suprised that you think by just running a 4.3 he is top 10 lock. Since he has been so unimpressive this year, chances are he will stay in school at least one more year.

TFL
10-07-2006, 11:33 PM
Eventually a team has to draft by its needs. If everytime a team came up to draft the best player available was a QB, a team would be foolish to keep drafting QB's.

Look at the lions with wr.:rolleyes:

threetoedpete
10-07-2006, 11:42 PM
If Landry is gone, I just can't see us taking Meriweather with a top ten pick. We'd either trade or pick a different position. There is no way he is worth a top ten pick.

i don't know after watching Gains Adams today, I would have no problem if they went in that direction. I'm pretty much convinced that the Peek/Babin experiment is headed fo file thirteen. I know it's bad double dipping postions in back to back years. But it would put a great pressure on most offensive lines.

kastofsna
10-08-2006, 09:59 AM
Well Rice isn't having that good of a year and even I am suprised that you think by just running a 4.3 he is top 10 lock. Since he has been so unimpressive this year, chances are he will stay in school at least one more year.
you're acting like he's having a horrible year. he's still catching everything thrown his way, and he's still averaging 16 yards per catch (same as last year). he's going to put up very good numbers at the combine and he'll go top 10. he's on pace for far better numbers this year than troy williamson's junior year at USC. he left early, had a great combine and was the first receiver drafted in '05.

SF49erFaithful
10-09-2006, 12:27 AM
you're acting like he's having a horrible year. he's still catching everything thrown his way, and he's still averaging 16 yards per catch (same as last year). he's going to put up very good numbers at the combine and he'll go top 10. he's on pace for far better numbers this year than troy williamson's junior year at USC. he left early, had a great combine and was the first receiver drafted in '05.

The 1 catch he had against Kentucky sure is gonna lock him up a top 10 spot. :rolleyes:

HomeBred_Texan
10-09-2006, 09:18 AM
Oakland will take a QB with there pick, pretty simple.

Tennessee could use a WR, or an OL

I don't like this top 10 list at all, but that's just me...

Blake
10-09-2006, 10:11 AM
Roughly the Top 10 right now:

1. Oakland - Brady Quinn - He will go #1. 9/10, QB's will go #1.
2. Tennessee - Calvin Johson - Perfect pick for Vince to play with.
3. Detroit - Quentin Moses - Corey Redding just isnt getting it done.
4. Tampa Bay - Joe Thomas - Need help on the o-line. None better.
5. HOUSTON - ADRIAN PETERSON - Can run inside, and outside.
6. Miami - Ted Ginn Jr. - Down field threat for the Duante bomb.
7. Pittsburgh - Gaines Adams - Say hello to the next 3-4 Pitt Linebacker.
8. Cleveland - Levi Brown - Could be the anchor they've needed on that line.
9. Green Bay - Justin Blalock - Can play OT, and OG.
10. Arizona - Laron Landry - Great ball hawking safety.

As for the safeties. I think Michael Griffin should be in the top 3 mix.

Blake
10-09-2006, 10:11 AM
Texans go RB, or S with #1 pick this year. Mark it down.

real
10-09-2006, 10:15 AM
I hope we don't pick AP....

Blake
10-09-2006, 10:17 AM
I hope we don't pick AP....

I'll agree with that. I think there are better players that could help us more than AP could. But you just never know until draft day, or the night before when we sign a guy.

wags
10-09-2006, 11:06 AM
Quentin Moses is not playing very well this year. Tennessee stoned his @#$ every damn play.

SAMURAITEXAN
10-09-2006, 11:32 AM
Texans go RB, or S with #1 pick this year. Mark it down.

We do need S but, don't you think Texans may look into LB on first rd as well?
I thought Kubiak mentioned about LB position is one of his concern at the beginning of PS. I may be wrong about this.

kastofsna
10-09-2006, 11:42 AM
6. Miami - Ted Ginn Jr. - Down field threat for the Duante bomb.
i would literally kill myself.

V Man
10-09-2006, 11:46 AM
Roughly the Top 10 right now:


6. Miami - Ted Ginn Jr. - Down field threat for the Duante bomb.
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i would literally kill myself.

Agree, Miami is pretty solid at receiver and TE. I see O-line help needed or maybe a Safety.

kastofsna
10-09-2006, 11:48 AM
The 1 catch he had against Kentucky sure is gonna lock him up a top 10 spot. :rolleyes:
what about the 0 catches mike williams had the year before he was drafted?

kastofsna
10-09-2006, 11:49 AM
Agree, Miami is pretty solid at receiver and TE. I see O-line help needed or maybe a Safety.
OT, ILB, S, CB, OG, DT, DE.....something like that.

real
10-09-2006, 11:52 AM
If we are picking around 4 or 5 I think we should trade down to 10-15 and take one of the top 3 safeties or or Linebackers and maybe pick up an extra 3rd or second rounder...

beerlover
10-09-2006, 12:04 PM
If we are picking around 4 or 5 I think we should trade down to 10-15 and take one of the top 3 safeties or or Linebackers and maybe pick up an extra 3rd or second rounder...

I would like to see the Texans maximize value & trade down but in small steps meaning one - two picks at a time that way they stay in control of the guy they have targeted. for instance two years ago it was thought by some when they traded three spots down that they would then take Derrick Johnson, but two picks later KC took him right before the Texans had another chance. while the Texans added a 3rd rd pick (Eric Winston) & rotational DT (Travis Johnson) they missed out on a starting OLB.

So I would hate to see the Texans trade out of position where they miss they're guy, but I favor adding picks by swapping if the next team or two selecting really wants that pick & Smith/Kubiak feel its safe they're guy will still be there :shades:

kastofsna
10-09-2006, 12:13 PM
using Super Mario's draft order:

1. Oakland - Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville - honestly i'm not too convinced that al davis takes a QB here, because he's so anti-1st round QB's (as i said before this year's draft), but what the hey, there's not many other options here. if the rumors are true about randy moss and jerry porter being traded, then they take calvin johnson, end of story. and i don't think al davis likes brady quinn; seems like a "pretty boy." brohm is tough and has a great arm
2. Tennessee - Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech - tennessee has david givens and drew bennett, but whatever. johnson would be be the best WR on that team instantly. and vince young will need all the help he can get
3. Detroit - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame - a true terror in mike martz's system. i'm pretty sure matt millen will be gone when this pick is made, thank god
4. Tampa Bay - Joe Thomas, T, Wisconsin - they drafted jeremy trueblood in the 2nd round this past year, and he played great in his NFL debut yesterday, but joe thomas is a francise left tackle. move trueblood to RT (where he probably belongs anyway) and protect bruce gradkowski's backside. thomas played TE as a freshman, and even dabbled some at DE. real athletic
5. Houston - LaRon Landry, S, LSU - best safety in the draft? well that's the general consensus now, so i'm pluggin' him in here.
6. Miami - Jared Gaither, T, Maryland - check this out...6'9 350lbs, ran a 4.75 40 at his JC combine as a 330lb TE. athletic freak. nick saban loves those. especially at tackle, where he's taken two such players in the draft who have abnormally high agility for tackles. he takes the BIG one here. LJ Shelton is a piece of ****, he can't protect anything, horrible signing, and this makes up for that.
7. Pittsburgh - Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma - i seriously doubt pittsburgh ends up here, but whatever. willie parker is nice, but he's not THAT nice. bill cowher lucks out here and takes peterson.
8. Cleveland - Sam Baker, T, USC - an unprecedented 3rd o-tackle drafted in the top 10. baker is great. not as freaky as thomas or gaither, but just as solid and has better fundamentals. any other year he's the #1 guy.
9. Green Bay - Sidney Rice, WR, South Carolina - not a bad 1-2 punch with greg jennings for aaron rodgers. marshawn lynch is also a huge possibility here.
10. Arizona - Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson - arizona just can't get any pass rush on the opposition, especially not from their front 4. adams is the best in the draft. could also be moved to OLB in a 3-4 scheme.

YoungTexanFan
10-09-2006, 04:48 PM
using Super Mario's draft order:

1. Oakland - Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville - honestly i'm not too convinced that al davis takes a QB here, because he's so anti-1st round QB's (as i said before this year's draft), but what the hey, there's not many other options here. if the rumors are true about randy moss and jerry porter being traded, then they take calvin johnson, end of story. and i don't think al davis likes brady quinn; seems like a "pretty boy." brohm is tough and has a great arm
2. Tennessee - Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech - tennessee has david givens and drew bennett, but whatever. johnson would be be the best WR on that team instantly. and vince young will need all the help he can get
3. Detroit - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame - a true terror in mike martz's system. i'm pretty sure matt millen will be gone when this pick is made, thank god
4. Tampa Bay - Joe Thomas, T, Wisconsin - they drafted jeremy trueblood in the 2nd round this past year, and he played great in his NFL debut yesterday, but joe thomas is a francise left tackle. move trueblood to RT (where he probably belongs anyway) and protect bruce gradkowski's backside. thomas played TE as a freshman, and even dabbled some at DE. real athletic
5. Houston - LaRon Landry, S, LSU - best safety in the draft? well that's the general consensus now, so i'm pluggin' him in here.
6. Miami - Jared Gaither, T, Maryland - check this out...6'9 350lbs, ran a 4.75 40 at his JC combine as a 330lb TE. athletic freak. nick saban loves those. especially at tackle, where he's taken two such players in the draft who have abnormally high agility for tackles. he takes the BIG one here. LJ Shelton is a piece of ****, he can't protect anything, horrible signing, and this makes up for that.
7. Pittsburgh - Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma - i seriously doubt pittsburgh ends up here, but whatever. willie parker is nice, but he's not THAT nice. bill cowher lucks out here and takes peterson.
8. Cleveland - Sam Baker, T, USC - an unprecedented 3rd o-tackle drafted in the top 10. baker is great. not as freaky as thomas or gaither, but just as solid and has better fundamentals. any other year he's the #1 guy.
9. Green Bay - Sidney Rice, WR, South Carolina - not a bad 1-2 punch with greg jennings for aaron rodgers. marshawn lynch is also a huge possibility here.
10. Arizona - Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson - arizona just can't get any pass rush on the opposition, especially not from their front 4. adams is the best in the draft. could also be moved to OLB in a 3-4 scheme.

Landry won't go top 5. Even we are that bad with our first round picks.

Gaither is only a sophomore. He is better than Thomas or Baker. Wait a year.

kastofsna
10-09-2006, 05:47 PM
Landry won't go top 5. Even we are that bad with our first round picks.

Gaither is only a sophomore. He is better than Thomas or Baker. Wait a year.
i agree about landry. still....meh. i dunno, had to put someone there.

gaither is a RS sophomore. he's in the larry fitzgerald situation. he could declare this year if he chooses to do so.

mexican_texan
10-09-2006, 07:26 PM
Pittsburgh will not be in the 7th position unless they trade up. Yes they have lost 3 games but those were to Jacksonville, Cincinatti and San Diego, all of which are potential playoff teams. Pittsburgh has had one of the toughest schedules so far, but they still have 2 games against the Browns, 1 against the Raiders and the Buccanneers as well. Those 4 are almost certain wins plus you know they will get some other wins as well.
Let's see...three losses came from good teams and the only win came against Miami....who are we talking about again?

mexican_texan
10-09-2006, 07:29 PM
No way in hell the Cards don't draft an OL in the first.

YoungTexanFan
10-09-2006, 08:06 PM
i agree about landry. still....meh. i dunno, had to put someone there.

gaither is a RS sophomore. he's in the larry fitzgerald situation. he could declare this year if he chooses to do so.


I was unaware of that fact about Gaither. If this is true, I am saying screw landry or davis or anyone else. I want Gaither. He is a freaking beast. The "vernon davis" of LT's. This kid is scary good and his technique is amazing along with his agility which puts d-brick to shame...and hes much bigger.

SF49erFaithful
10-09-2006, 09:08 PM
what about the 0 catches mike williams had the year before he was drafted?

Yes but Mike Williams was dominant the rest of the season unlike Rice.

kastofsna
10-09-2006, 09:59 PM
I was unaware of that fact about Gaither. If this is true, I am saying screw landry or davis or anyone else. I want Gaither. He is a freaking beast. The "vernon davis" of LT's. This kid is scary good and his technique is amazing along with his agility which puts d-brick to shame...and hes much bigger.
he's definitely ridiculously talented. but one of those risk players. he's not nearly as crafted and skilled technique-wise as thomas or baker. absurd amount of potential. if he does declare, i wouldn't be surprised if, following his pro day and combine and etc, he goes ahead of joe thomas. the theme in the NFL these days is to have linemen that can move and motor. the 3-4 defenses are getting faster and faster, so the big slugs up front just arne't cutting it anymore (just look at miami's line, probably the fattest in the league. they SUCK).

YoungTexanFan
10-09-2006, 10:05 PM
he's definitely ridiculously talented. but one of those risk players. he's not nearly as crafted and skilled technique-wise as thomas or baker. absurd amount of potential. if he does declare, i wouldn't be surprised if, following his pro day and combine and etc, he goes ahead of joe thomas. the theme in the NFL these days is to have linemen that can move and motor. the 3-4 defenses are getting faster and faster, so the big slugs up front just arne't cutting it anymore (just look at miami's line, probably the fattest in the league. they SUCK).

This guy is a mammoth but is more athletic than Fergueson was last year. Thomas and Baker aren't little either, but Gaither is the best LT prospect in the nation IMO.

Also, watch out for Ian Symonette at Miami. He is a local kid from St. Pius X. He is 6'9 330. He is a freshman this year I believe. I worked out with him during the summer, I lined up at DE and I'm very quick off the line...he was matching me step for step and was able to lock his arms out on me a few times. He is a hoss. He is suseptible to a hard step to the outside and quick move to the inside. That is the only way I was able to beat him, and I have yet to face a LT this year that can contain me when I go to the outside. He is one to keep your eye on.

kastofsna
10-09-2006, 10:35 PM
Fox appears to be the better prospect at LT there at miami. gotta watch more.

TexansSeminole
10-10-2006, 01:15 AM
Going by your order I'd go with this as the probable picks:

1. Oakland - Brady Quinn. They got the worst Passing attack in the league they need a change at QB.
2. Tennessee - Calvin Johnson. This guy is too talented for the new Tennessee offense to pass up.
3. Detroit - Adrian Peterson. Detroit can't run the ball so they grab a great RB in Peterson, have Jones as a 2.
4. Tampa Bay - Ted Ginn Jr. Fast young wide reciever to benefit the lack of passing attack the Buccaneers have.
5. Houston - Joe Thomas. A true LT for a big need.
6. Miami - Quinton Moses. Miami's line is gettin old and wont be nearly as dominant in a few years without help, Moses fits well in Miami.
7. Pittsburgh - Why are they even here? Probably Leon Hall from Michigan because they could just use a talented CB.
8. Cleveland - Kenny Irons because Cleveland has a bad rushing attack.
9. Green Bay - LaRon Landry. Safety help at an appopriate spot.
10. Arizona - Levi Brown. Proven tackle who will anchor Arizona's line for years

beerlover
10-10-2006, 03:24 AM
using Super Mario's draft order:

1. Oakland - Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville - honestly i'm not too convinced that al davis takes a QB here, because he's so anti-1st round QB's (as i said before this year's draft), but what the hey, there's not many other options here. if the rumors are true about randy moss and jerry porter being traded, then they take calvin johnson, end of story. and i don't think al davis likes brady quinn; seems like a "pretty boy." brohm is tough and has a great arm
2. Tennessee - Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech - tennessee has david givens and drew bennett, but whatever. johnson would be be the best WR on that team instantly. and vince young will need all the help he can get
3. Detroit - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame - a true terror in mike martz's system. i'm pretty sure matt millen will be gone when this pick is made, thank god
4. Tampa Bay - Joe Thomas, T, Wisconsin - they drafted jeremy trueblood in the 2nd round this past year, and he played great in his NFL debut yesterday, but joe thomas is a francise left tackle. move trueblood to RT (where he probably belongs anyway) and protect bruce gradkowski's backside. thomas played TE as a freshman, and even dabbled some at DE. real athletic
5. Houston - LaRon Landry, S, LSU - best safety in the draft? well that's the general consensus now, so i'm pluggin' him in here.
6. Miami - Jared Gaither, T, Maryland - check this out...6'9 350lbs, ran a 4.75 40 at his JC combine as a 330lb TE. athletic freak. nick saban loves those. especially at tackle, where he's taken two such players in the draft who have abnormally high agility for tackles. he takes the BIG one here. LJ Shelton is a piece of ****, he can't protect anything, horrible signing, and this makes up for that.
7. Pittsburgh - Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma - i seriously doubt pittsburgh ends up here, but whatever. willie parker is nice, but he's not THAT nice. bill cowher lucks out here and takes peterson.
8. Cleveland - Sam Baker, T, USC - an unprecedented 3rd o-tackle drafted in the top 10. baker is great. not as freaky as thomas or gaither, but just as solid and has better fundamentals. any other year he's the #1 guy.
9. Green Bay - Sidney Rice, WR, South Carolina - not a bad 1-2 punch with greg jennings for aaron rodgers. marshawn lynch is also a huge possibility here.
10. Arizona - Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson - arizona just can't get any pass rush on the opposition, especially not from their front 4. adams is the best in the draft. could also be moved to OLB in a 3-4 scheme.

I like this effort!

1. Oakland - Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville Sure seems like Al Davis does'nt it? Could be a similar situation to the Texans last year with no trading partners stepping up to the plate so they take "their guy" & make a "football decision".

2. Tennessee - Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech Love this kid, he should be the 1st overall pick (but we all know how that goes too) work ethic, athletic abiltiy & intangibles. Paired with Vince Young........should be outlawed.

3. Detroit - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame Kinda reminds me of Joey Harrington (must have been the coaching) seriously another QB & in the #3 position again? well he is a golden domer & his sister is hot....too bad she is married to GB's middle linebacker.

4. Tampa Bay - Joe Thomas, T, Wisconsin - His knee injury is a concern to me, take the Texans for example they drafted Eric Winston one year removed from similar injury and has yet to see any action (before the injury @ Miami he was considered a consensus top 10 pick too) & dont remind me our own starting, rookie LT from Pitt Charles Spencer has suffered the same fate. Here I might trade up with Detroit and pick Quinn, Lions have multiple needs while Tampa needs a QB.

5. Houston - LaRon Landry, S, LSU - Is this not where Sean Taylor went a couple years ago? has he achieved the desired results? This should be another character pick for Kubiac & Smith so I'm not as high as others on this pick seems like more of a pure need play than the bpa. So if Adrien Peterson is still on the board its time to bring this bad boy home. Nothing, & I mean nothing would help David Carr more than a potent running attack. The Texans are desperate to provide help & this would certainly provide it.

6. Miami - Jared Gaither, T, Maryland Sabin also wants to establish the ground game & they already have Ronnie Brown, they need to address the O-Line.

7. Pittsburgh - Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma Gone. Sorry. Big Ben needs another target to throw to, not to mention return duties on special teams. What about Ted Ginn here?

8. Cleveland - Sam Baker, T, USC or they would prefeer Joe Thomas.

9. Green Bay - Sidney Rice, WR, South Carolina They need to rebuild the OL & the best way to start would be the best tackle available in this case it would be Justin Blalock, yeh ya gotta bite the bullet someday.

10. Arizona - Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson fills a need and is the best of the group.

:tease:

threetoedpete
10-10-2006, 05:27 AM
Yeah that'll be a hoot alright. Needed a left tackel since Bosselli spit the bit. One goes infront of us. One goes behind us. Maybe Landry's so good he can cover both positions. :bowser:

real
10-10-2006, 08:35 AM
9. Green Bay - Sidney Rice, WR, South Carolina They need to rebuild the OL & the best way to start would be the best tackle available in this case it would be Justin Blalock, yeh ya gotta bite the bullet someday.

:tease:

V Man
10-10-2006, 09:03 AM
I like this effort!


3. Detroit - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame Kinda reminds me of Joey Harrington (must have been the coaching) seriously another QB & in the #3 position again? well he is a golden domer & his sister is hot....too bad she is married to GB's middle linebacker.



Talk about in the media all the time. If Detroit did draft Quinn here, he would be playing against his brother-in-law twice a year.

kastofsna
10-10-2006, 10:38 AM
brady quinn is pretty hot himself. and he's nothing like joey harrington.

AggieTexanFan
10-12-2006, 06:06 PM
Here is Mel Kiper's top 10 as of now

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/insider/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=2621041

1. Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame (6-3, 225) | previous: Same
Poised, smart and at his best in pressure situations. After a comeback against Michigan State, Quinn had solid outings against Purdue and Stanford.


2. Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin (6-6, 313) | previous: Same
Huge, quick and athletic with a long wingspan.


3. Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson (6-4, 260) | previous: Same
Flashes dominating ability with his athleticism and quickness.


4. Leon Hall, CB, Michigan (5-11, 193) | previous: 7
Tough customer who also shows very good anticipation and awareness in coverage.


5. Quentin Moses, DE, Georgia (6-4, 254) | previous: 4
Mature, hard working and explosive off the edge.


6. Levi Brown, OT, Penn St. (6-4, 325) | previous: 5
Steady and reliable at protecting the quarterback's blind side.


7. Kenny Irons, RB, Auburn (5-10, 199) | previous: 6
Deceptively strong with great vision and balance. Another chance to shine this week against Florida's defense.


8. Quinn Pitcock, DT, Ohio St. (6-3, 297) | previous: 9
Run-stuffing dynamo who does a great job of clogging the interior.


9. Jeff Samardzija, WR, Notre Dame (6-4, 215) | previous: 11
Super hands and concentration with outstanding speed-to-size ratio.


10. LaRon Landry, DB, LSU (6-1, 205) | previous: Same
Four-year starter who has proven to be Mr. Reliable throughout his career

AggieTexanFan
10-12-2006, 06:08 PM
Drew Stanton isn't even in most top 25s anymore

CoastalTexan
10-12-2006, 06:21 PM
What position would ya'll prefer to pick in the 1st round, I would think everyone would say we need D the most. My guess is LB in the 2nd or 3rd and FS or CB in the 1st. Leon Hall/Landry sound like they deserve some extra glances. A couple offensive linemen would also be good as always in the later rounds.

HomeBred_Texan
10-12-2006, 06:49 PM
Wow, he doesnt even have Adriann P in the top 10 either... He has a different rb in there...

V Man
10-12-2006, 08:09 PM
Wow, he doesnt even have Adriann P in the top 10 either... He has a different rb in there...

I think he only rates the Seniors, Adriann could always go back to OU for his senior year if he wants.