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Bill's/TexanFan
09-23-2004, 02:36 PM
Former Green Bay Packer Hall of Fame coach Vince Lombardi once said that statistics were for losers. Meaning that often, after a loss, players, coaches and fans will sit around and pour over the game stats. They would do this in an effort to figure out...."what went wrong, how did we lose?" I bring this up because I can't help but notice how important "stats" seen to be to Coach Capers. Dom seems to have stats for every area of our football team!
But.....sadly, since we are 0-2 it looks more & more if Coach Lombardi knew exactly what he was talking about! :shrug:

infantrycak
09-23-2004, 02:49 PM
Don't particularly remember Capers being a stat spewer. Care to give us some examples?

Methinks you are referring to folks around here that are responding with facts to some of your opinions.

texasguy346
09-23-2004, 02:50 PM
The only 'stat' I can remember him stating was turnovers.

Bill's/TexanFan
09-23-2004, 03:18 PM
Don't particularly remember Capers being a stat spewer. Care to give us some examples?

Methinks you are referring to folks around here that are responding with facts to some of your opinions.

Sure, go the WWW.HoustonTexans.com the day after a game and read that "Coaches Corner" thing he does. He tells just about every team stat on what we were good or bad at and compares it to the other teams.

infantrycak
09-23-2004, 03:28 PM
Sure, go the WWW.HoustonTexans.com the day after a game and read that "Coaches Corner" thing he does. He tells just about every team stat on what we were good or bad at and compares it to the other teams.

See that's funny, here is the kind of thing I see from him:

Head coach Dom Capers had little to say after the game. The numbers spoke for him and added more detail to a blueprint of frustration.

“Well, I’ll share with you exactly what I just told our football team,” Capers said. “It doesn’t make any difference what you do in the National Football League. If you turn the ball over three times on offense, if you can’t get off the field on third downs on defense and if you give a kickoff return up for a touchdown, you’re not going to win football games. It just doesn’t make much difference what else you do.

“To me, when you’re in these situations, first of all, it takes courage because that’s what gives you the power to face some difficult situations and your character determines how you respond to it. I believe in the guys’ character on this team. I think that they know that we’ve got an awful lot of work to do. We’ve got to go back to work and in those areas we have to make significant improvement in or we won’t win. It’s just that simple.”

Bill's/TexanFan
09-23-2004, 03:42 PM
See that's funny, here is the kind of thing I see from him:

If you read enough of his posts instead of "selected" ones you will see my point. Question for you since I'm a Texan fan but not a texan. In Texas do you prove yourself right by trying to always prove others wrong? Just wondering.

Vinny
09-23-2004, 03:43 PM
In Texas do you prove yourself right by trying to always prove others wrong? Just wondering.If you don't want your point of view challenged I'd suggest you not post in BBS forums. That is what we do here.

HJam72
09-23-2004, 03:46 PM
In Texas do you prove yourself right by trying to always prove others wrong?

Yes, always. That's the way it's done. That's how I win arguments with my steer.
:wacko:

infantrycak
09-23-2004, 03:53 PM
If you read enough of his post instead of "selected" ones you will see my point. Question for you since I'm a Texan fan but not a texan. In Texas do you prove yourself right by trying to always prove others wrong? Just wondering.

Where you live do you prove yourself correct by making bold assertions with no evidence?

Rather than the vague referent you provided, I gave you a specific example and my opinion that it was typical of Caper's statements. Funny, since I didn't say it contradicted you that you drew that conclusion. Maybe it was obvious after all.

WWJD
09-23-2004, 04:09 PM
I often see Coach Capers jotting things down and that is a bit different than most coaches.

I think he is just a very detailed oriented person.

Bill's/TexanFan
09-23-2004, 04:11 PM
If you don't want your point of view challenged I'd suggest you not post in BBS forums. That is what we do here.
If I didn't know better Vinny I'd think you were showing me the door for not agreeing with your opinions.

wags
09-23-2004, 04:12 PM
I'll tell you what Caper's is writing down 60% of the time: "Well that play sucked, let's not run that again."

Vinny
09-23-2004, 04:17 PM
If I didn't know better Vinny I'd think you were showing me the door for not agreeing with your opinions. How is that? Post what you feel and defend your point of view. That is how it works. Trust me, I'm not the coddling type.

El Tejano
09-23-2004, 04:40 PM
I often see Coach Capers jotting things down and that is a bit different than most coaches.

I think he is just a very detailed oriented person.
Well coaches like to know what the other team is doing successfully and unsuccessfully to make the adjustments in the second half. He might not make the right ones but he is still observing them. idonno:

Bill's/TexanFan
09-23-2004, 04:48 PM
If you don't want your point of view challenged I'd suggest you not post.

I guess I had my say about Clinton Portis so perhaps I'll heed the earlier advice you gave me. I'll maintain a low profile and allow you smarter Texas boys to figure out why we are 0-2 going into the Kansas City game.

jacquescas
09-23-2004, 04:50 PM
Originally Posted by wags

I'll tell you what Caper's is writing down 60% of the time: "Well that play sucked, let's not run that again."


funny it seems that they are running the same plays still though.

texasguy346
09-23-2004, 04:55 PM
I guess I had my say about Clinton Portis so perhaps I'll heed the earlier advice you gave me. I'll maintain a low profile and allow you smarter Texas boys to figure out why we are 0-2 going into the Kansas City game.

It's a simple fact that if you're going to post on a message board that your opinion will be challenged by others. You could state that the "sky is blue" and end up with a few dissenting opinions saying that it was more of a light blue or a dark blue almost purple. You're not being singled out for your viewpoint anymore than any other poster. If you make a statement just be prepared to back it up and support it with facts and or reliable sources. You're welcome to state whatever your opinion is as to why the Texans are 0-2 but you will likely be challenged no matter what you say. Some think it was turnovers, others think it was play calling, and the list goes on and on. Apparently you think it was questionable draft decisions. Make your case for it as best you can, and be prepared for a solid debate from other posters. Nothing war-like about it. Just a simple debate amongst Texan fans.

WWJD
09-23-2004, 04:58 PM
Yes I know what you are saying El Tejano but if you watch other games and I'm sure you do being a football fan most coaches don't write anything down.

I find Coach Capers very knowledgeable. I am not certain but I think somebody asked him on 610 once and I'm pretty sure it was him and he said that he's always taking notes about everything and he keeps them all!

infantrycak
09-23-2004, 10:30 PM
Yes I know what you are saying El Tejano but if you watch other games and I'm sure you do being a football fan most coaches don't write anything down.

I won't claim to testify about most NFL coaches. I would be shocked if most were just keeping all there notes in their head and at least not using their radios have someone else write them down. I do know that who I consider to be one of the greatest NFL coaches, Tom Landry, always had a note pad available. Seems pretty much grasping at invisible straws to me to think taking notes is indicative of a coach that needs to be replaced.

HJam72
09-23-2004, 11:41 PM
The fact the Capers is taking notes is almost proof agaisnt those who say that his play calling is so bad and that he's putting no thought into it. He's probably got a thousand ideas he'd like to use if the protection was there--the pass plays they're calling for just get dumped out to DD.

HJam72
09-23-2004, 11:45 PM
It's a simple fact that if you're going to post on a message board that your opinion will be challenged by others. You could state that the "sky is blue" and end up with a few dissenting opinions saying that it was more of a light blue or a dark blue almost purple. .

The sky is not blue! It's black with a bunch of white spots. You should look up there before you post such nonsense!
:crazy:

rjf
09-24-2004, 03:16 AM
Bill's/TexanFan,

I think that you're being just a little thin-skinned. While it is true that some people just like to be argumentative, and others will try to pick apart everything someone posts once they have been in a heated debate with them previously, I really don't think that's the case here. If you post something negative on one of our players/coaches, you should expect your viewpoint to be challenged.





I often see Coach Capers jotting things down and that is a bit different than most coaches.

I think he is just a very detailed oriented person.

I heard a radio caller ask coach Capers about this recently.

He said that what he writes down is the down, distance, result of the play, and maybe one other basic tidbit(it's been a couple of weeks ago), so he has those stats with him when he goes to the lockeroom at halftime.

I remember when I heard this thinking to myself "that's all he's writing down". I was kinda disappointed. I guess I expected it to be a little more intricate than that, ie. specific blitz packages/coverage schemes used in certain down/distances, etc... But I guess that would be much easier to accurately track by one of the coaches up in the booth, or someone with a feed from that vantage point.

aj.
09-24-2004, 11:50 AM
The fact the Capers is taking notes is almost proof agaisnt those who say that his play calling is so bad and that he's putting no thought into it Capers doesn't call the plays. He is in the loop and has veto power but he lets his ops o's (coordinators) implement the game plans on game day. He makes input to and approves the game plans and makes executive decisions when necessary during the game.

geka
09-24-2004, 12:04 PM
Capers doesn't call the plays. He is in the loop and has veto power but he lets his ops o's (coordinators) implement the game plans on game day. He makes input to and approves the game plans and makes executive decisions when necessary during the game.

Your right he does not call the plays.

but its his game plan and like you said he has veto power.

when he sees that its an option to run the ball when down by 2 scores with 4 mins left and needing 90 yards to score. AND he dont veto thats his fault.

Meloy
09-24-2004, 12:18 PM
What a thrilling debate! I enjoyed immensely (especially since I was not involved). At least football gets our minds off noncontroversial topics like war, politics, religion and who makes the best chocolate ice cream (Blue Bell of course).

aj.
09-24-2004, 12:20 PM
AND he dont veto thats his fault. Well if you're into playing the blame game, I guess the head coach is as good a place to start as anywhere else. He's ultimately responsible for what goes on out there.

That drive you're talking about (down by 2 scores with 4 mins left and needing 90 yards to score) wasn't all that bad. They gained 85 yards in less than 4 minutes and would have had a shot at an on-side kick if Carr had been able to convert the 4th and 5 from the 5. A long quick strike would have been nice but then after the INT or the 3 and out, everyone in here would have been pissing and moaning about Carr and/or Palmer's incompetence.

geka
09-24-2004, 12:28 PM
They ran 2? times on that drive how much time could have been saved with incomplete passes?

everyone shares in the blame

Palmer for calling that junk
Capers for not vetoing it
Carr for switching to a run

Sure its not the reason we lost but its a microcosm for everything that many of us are not liking about the coaching staff

aj.
09-24-2004, 12:34 PM
They ran 2? times on that drive how much time could have been saved with incomplete passes? Looking at the play sequence, probably about 35 seconds.

Hate on the coaching staff all you want. They aren't perfect (no coaching staff is) but I'm more interested in better execution/implementation and elimination of turnovers by the guys on the field. Their gameplan was good enough to win vs. SD and their 2nd half adjustments were good enough to overcome Detroit. This has been beaten to death but by winning the turnover battle these first two weeks we'd be at least 1-1.

The coaching staff is an easy target but for every running play in a failed series that someone beyatches about (hence: terrible play call), I can show you two or three (or more) running plays in a successful drive that are conveniently forgotten because there were points scored at the end of the drive.

Vinny
09-24-2004, 12:34 PM
They ran 2? times on that drive how much time could have been saved with incomplete passes?

everyone shares in the blame You are right about everyone sharing the blame, but running twice isn't so bad. Our problem was when we got to the 23 yard line it took us 7 plays to not score. We had seven shots at the end zone inside the 23 yard line. The Lions let us drive down the field with soft coverage, and when it got tough we crumbled.

Joe Texan
09-24-2004, 12:39 PM
Hey Hoser,

This is Texas,

can we all just get along?

Bill's/TexanFan
09-24-2004, 02:49 PM
Hey Hoser,

This is Texas,

can we all just get along?


The last guy to say that was from L.A. (Rodney King I believe) and he got the **** kicked out of him by the L.A.P.D. ! lol:

infantrycak
09-24-2004, 04:59 PM
A long quick strike would have been nice ...

And they did try the long quick strike but that was the 41ish yd AJ catch the refs blew the call on.

texasguy346
09-24-2004, 05:05 PM
What a thrilling debate! I enjoyed immensely (especially since I was not involved). At least football gets our minds off noncontroversial topics like war, politics, religion and who makes the best chocolate ice cream (Blue Bell of course).

Chocolate Ice Cream? Are you insane? Everyone knows that Cookies N Cream is the best, and Blue Bell is the best at making that too. :thumbup

Chance_C
09-24-2004, 08:18 PM
I sure as hell hope we beat Kansas City.

dredge
09-25-2004, 02:05 PM
I'll tell you what Caper's is writing down 60% of the time: "Well that play sucked, let's not run that again."

LOL. He needs to pass that paper on to Palmer, because he keeps calling the same unimaginative plays.

Demon
09-26-2004, 11:03 AM
I find that Capers handles adversity well. He doesn't point specific fingers. His philosophy seems to be teamwork. I like the fact that he does point out certain highlights and good even when we shoot ourselves in the foot. I am disappointed at 0-2, but a W today would erase a lot of that. Go Texans! Yes, Palmer could be a little more creative in his playcalling. Good grief.