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TexansSeminole
09-30-2006, 07:36 PM
The Notre Dame safety was not good at all today. I can pretty much rule him out for safeties i would bring on this team.

PapaL
09-30-2006, 08:01 PM
So because he had a sub-par day we should not look at him??

WildBlackBear32
09-30-2006, 11:17 PM
So because he had a sub-par day we should not look at him??

He's subpar in general. He's Roy Williams without the speed and athletic ability and even less ability to cover. He'd be virtually unknown if he didnt play at Notre Dame and was a pro boxer.

Farough
10-01-2006, 12:23 AM
He's subpar in general. He's Roy Williams without the speed and athletic ability and even less ability to cover. He'd be virtually unknown if he didnt play at Notre Dame and was a pro boxer.

How can you say he has no speed? That right there tells me you've never seen him play.

Reddevil63
10-01-2006, 12:27 AM
He's fast, he just hasnt had a good season so far. Ive noticed him fumbling alot on punt returns and taking bad routes to tackles.

Farough
10-01-2006, 12:34 AM
He's fast, he just hasnt had a good season so far. Ive noticed him fumbling alot on punt returns and taking bad routes to tackles.

The reason he was fumbling the punts those 2 weeks, no excused but, every punter he received a punt from before had been right footed. And 2 weeks in a row he had faced a left footed punter, which would give you a different spin on the ball. He wasn't able to practice for this too well because his punter is also right footed.

Farough
10-01-2006, 12:36 AM
But I do agree with you on his angles, he missed I recall at least 4 today that he misjudged, leading to a long Purdue touchdown. But thats something that can be improved, I wouldn't mind if we picked him up. But we won't... we need a FS more and he plays SS.

Reddevil63
10-01-2006, 12:37 AM
The reason he was fumbling the punts those 2 weeks, no excused but, every punter he received a punt from before had been right footed. And 2 weeks in a row he had faced a left footed punter, which would give you a different spin on the ball. He wasn't able to practice for this too well because his punter is also right footed.I wasnt aware that had an impact on the grip of the ball after you tuck it and run :hmmm:

Farough
10-01-2006, 12:39 AM
I wasnt aware that had an impact on the grip of the ball after you tuck it and run :hmmm:

I figured you meant his 2 or 3 muffed punts.. other than those I think he's only had 1 fumble while running

painekiller
10-01-2006, 03:48 AM
The reason he was fumbling the punts those 2 weeks, no excused but, every punter he received a punt from before had been right footed. And 2 weeks in a row he had faced a left footed punter, which would give you a different spin on the ball. He wasn't able to practice for this too well because his punter is also right footed.


The jugs machine they use to practice with can be set either way.

Farough
10-01-2006, 08:40 AM
The jugs machine they use to practice with can be set either way.

It still doesn't give the full effect of an actual punter. I read the press conference transscript from the Penn State game with Charlie Weis and Tom Zbikowski and thats what they said. So thats what I'm going by.

WildBlackBear32
10-01-2006, 10:20 AM
How can you say he has no speed? That right there tells me you've never seen him play.

Or that I'm not a homer. Whatever works for you though.

If you weren't biased, you'd realize it too. Members of the Blue and Gold nation everywhere want him benched for his blown coverage. It's been huge discussion since week two.

kastofsna
10-01-2006, 11:25 AM
Or that I'm not a homer. Whatever works for you though.

If you weren't biased, you'd realize it too. Members of the Blue and Gold nation everywhere want him benched for his blown coverage. It's been huge discussion since week two.
he's got plenty of speed.

Goldeagle
10-01-2006, 12:24 PM
I was looking at this guy considering Ive wanted a safety for 2 years now, and yeah; he is a LB in the NFL

TexansCanes
10-01-2006, 12:44 PM
he does have a lot of speed, but i just don't think he is that good. the media has to hype up someone on that notre dame defense and he is the best they got, doesn't mean he is that good.

WildBlackBear32
10-01-2006, 02:26 PM
he's got plenty of speed.

Faster than Roy Williams?

TexansCanes
10-01-2006, 04:27 PM
Faster than Roy Williams?

he ran a few sub 11's in high school when he ran track, should run in the low 4.4's during his workouts. if he was that slow he wouldn't be running back punts. I would say they are about the same.

real
10-01-2006, 05:04 PM
I never liked zibikowski.....He is not athletic at all....He is a decent hitter...Will probably be a 3rd or 4th rounder....will be a good special teamer in the NFL....

TexansSeminole
10-01-2006, 05:47 PM
From what I have seen, he is somewhat athletic and is good in north and south run support, but really has problems in coverage and angles.

kastofsna
10-04-2006, 02:14 PM
I never liked zibikowski.....He is not athletic at all
what

real
10-04-2006, 02:24 PM
what

Notre Dame in General doesn't have a lot of athletes on their team....He is probably their most athletic DB and that aint sayin much..

cuppacoffee
10-04-2006, 02:43 PM
Or that I'm not a homer. Whatever works for you though.

If you weren't biased, you'd realize it too. Members of the Blue and Gold nation everywhere want him benched for his blown coverage. It's been huge discussion since week two.

I haven't seen too many people calling for him to be benched.

He is being criticized as being one dimensional. Wants to hit everything, but fails to cover the pass very well. Has developed a tendency to take bad angles.

He played linebacker the second half of the Purdue game. Probably his best chance to make it in the NFL.

He has good speed and plays with a lot of heart.

Here is some of the domers discussion about him

Notre Dame Message Board (http://notredame.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=335&tid=80085472&mid=80085472&sid=961&style=2)

:coffee:

cuppacoffee
10-04-2006, 03:03 PM
Notre Dame in General doesn't have a lot of athletes on their team....He is probably their most athletic DB and that aint sayin much..

True, thanks to Bob Davie and Ty Willingham. :mad:

Charlie Weis is working on correcting this as we speak. :yahoo:

:coffee:

kastofsna
10-04-2006, 03:35 PM
Notre Dame in General doesn't have a lot of athletes on their team....He is probably their most athletic DB and that aint sayin much..
his athletic ability has nothing to do with notre dame's general enrollment. he's a great athlete. period.

real
10-04-2006, 03:38 PM
his athletic ability has nothing to do with notre dame's general enrollment. he's a great athlete. period.

It doesn't...but you and I just have different opinions...I don't think the kid is all that....oh well....:bowser:

kastofsna
10-04-2006, 03:40 PM
saying "he's not athletic at all" would be the equivalent to saying "vince young isn't black." there's no opinion to it. you're wrong, i'm right.

real
10-04-2006, 03:57 PM
saying "he's not athletic at all" would be the equivalent to saying "vince young isn't black." there's no opinion to it. you're wrong, i'm right.

:ok: ....Sue me for over exaggeration then....

rmartin65
10-04-2006, 04:39 PM
Zbikowski is pretty athletic. He is tough enough to be a boxer, and is fast enough that he can keep up with every NCAA reciever I have seen.

real
10-04-2006, 04:41 PM
Don't get me wrong...i like the guy...I just don't like him at safety...