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Tale Gator
09-27-2006, 02:57 PM
Yes, it's true - last season at this time we had given up 20 sacks and this season only ten.

John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the Houston Texans have allowed 10 sacks this season after three games, as opposed to 20 sacks at the same time last season.

Now there is a positive on this 0-3 season backed up by solid fact. :redtowel:

chronic (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/mcclain/4217598.html)

NEROtheZERO
09-27-2006, 02:59 PM
Want to see another blow to the Carr detractors and their illogical line "Carr pads his numbers in trash time"?

1stQ - 154.5
2ndQ - 81.1
3rdQ - 78.0
4thQ - 122.7

Runner
09-27-2006, 03:01 PM
Yes, it's true - last season at this time we had given up 20 sacks and this season only ten.

John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the Houston Texans have allowed 10 sacks this season after three games, as opposed to 20 sacks at the same time last season.

Now there is a positive on this 0-3 season backed up by solid fact. :redtowel:

chronic (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/mcclain/4217598.html)

So we are less pathetic then last year? This doesn't make me dance in the streets.

How do we compare to 2004, the last time we had a competent offense?

eric138
09-27-2006, 03:03 PM
And Carr has 6 TD's compared to 2005's 2 TD's.. and 3 TD's in 2004 after game 3..

Shoot he is over a third of the way to past his most ever TD's just after 3 games, that we've lost. Just wait until we start winning.

TheOgre
09-27-2006, 03:06 PM
Our passing game is the one area of improvement this year. Carr is starting to show some of his talent (although I still wonder if he is a "winner"). Unfortunately we have regressed with respect to rushing the ball, stopping the run, stopping the pass, and, believe it or not, getting to the QB. Otherwise we are dandy. :francis:

Texans_Chick
09-27-2006, 03:09 PM
Want to see another blow to the Carr detractors and their illogical line "Carr pads his numbers in trash time"?

1stQ - 154.5
2ndQ - 81.1
3rdQ - 78.0
4thQ - 122.7

What is interesting about this stat with limited games, is traditionally, Carr has been better in the second and third quarters.

Weird.

Malloy
09-27-2006, 04:08 PM
So we are less pathetic then last year? This doesn't make me dance in the streets.



Should at least make you wiggle a little bit...

Vinny
09-27-2006, 04:12 PM
Take out the scripted first drives and the 4th quarter "prevent" defenses and what do you have left? Average? I do think he has improved to average though.

Tale Gator
09-27-2006, 04:19 PM
Take out the scripted first drives and the 4th quarter "prevent" defenses and what do you have left? Average? I do think he has improved to average though.

I was just posting about pass protection - not Carr - I think any QB would improve by not having to take 20 sacks. That's just a crazy amount of hits.

TexansLucky13
09-27-2006, 04:21 PM
Take out the scripted first drives and the 4th quarter "prevent" defenses and what do you have left? Average? I do think he has improved to average though.

The agony continues.... :brickwall

David has improved. He is the least of our worries right now, as well. Him and our receiving core are the only thing in our favor right now.

The stats are worthless. I am judging him on a play-by-play basis, and he has shown improvement. I watch David.

We can only go up from here, Vinny. The soothing light at the end of the tunnel is not a freight train heading our way. It's the real deal.

Runner
09-27-2006, 04:23 PM
Last year at about this time we were benching Victor Riley and moving Chester Pitts to LT and Milford Brown to LG. That was an improvement.

This year we have lost Charles Spencer and moved Ephraim Salaam to LT. This is not an improvment.

It will be another long year at this rate, especially since runnning might be a problem now too.

chuckm
09-27-2006, 04:24 PM
This thread started out about pass protection and ended up about Carr ... Odd huh?

Well IMO, his "happy feet" are improved and he's throwing downfield ...

still fumbling though .....

1 INT in 3 games but that was during garbage time so like all the TD passes we can't count that one ....

10 sacks, and depending upon who's typing, they're either all Carr's fault or none of Carr's fault .... I'd say somewhere in the middle but closer to 1 than 5 ..


Jeeez eventually we may be able to get our battered dog to do even more tricks ....

:twocents:

GP
09-27-2006, 04:25 PM
Comparing time of possession 1st 3 games 2005 to 1st 3 games of 2006:

2005...................2006...............
Game 1: 21:45......Game 1: 27:09
Game 2: 30:54......Game 2: 25:04
Game 3: 25:26......Game 3: 21:33

Our offense was on the field MORE in 2005 (2 out of the first 3 games, at least). Extra time of possession in those two games last season COULD equal more chances of getting sacked.

So, not so sure this stat you've brought up (from the geniuses at The Chronicle) is entirely indicative of a better o line......or a result of not being on the field as much in 2006.

Thanks for sharing, though. It's nice to see some real commentary and not a thread that's just somebody venting their anger.

Runner
09-27-2006, 04:29 PM
This thread started out about pass protection and ended up about Carr ... Odd huh?



Carr has had a positive effect on this years sack numbers. He has passed the ball a few times when under pressure. Last year those would have been sacks.

For instance, the right DE was right on top of him when he threw the long pass to Dre on the first drive. Last year he would have ducked and run. This is an example of him getting up to average - most QBs already do this. It is also an example of the o-line being barely good enough on some plays - they aren't much better than last year right now.

chuckm
09-27-2006, 04:31 PM
Carr has had a positive effect on this years sack numbers. He has passed the ball a few times when under pressure. Last year those would have been sacks.

For instance, the right DE was right on top of him when he threw the long pass to Dre on the first drive. Last year he would have ducked and run. This is an example of him getting up to average - most QBs already do this. It is also an example of the o-line being barely good enough on some plays - they aren't much better than last year right now.

I'm right there with you Brother ....

Vinny
09-27-2006, 04:31 PM
I was just posting about pass protection - not Carr - I think any QB would improve by not having to take 20 sacks. That's just a crazy amount of hits.Carr sacked himself 20+ times last year so he has quite a bit to do with pass protection himself....I see improvement too. I'd just like to see us win a shoot out if we can't win a defensive struggle.

Texans_Chick
09-27-2006, 04:51 PM
Carr sacked himself 20+ times last year so he has quite a bit to do with pass protection himself....I see improvement too. I'd just like to see us win a shoot out if we can't win a defensive struggle.

As a semi-random thought, last time we saw Culpepper, the game was a shoot out. A pretty exciting one until the end. :( That game was loud.

In other news, Drew Henson just worked out for the Dolphins: Link (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-henson092706,0,4613113.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front)

Second Honeymoon
09-27-2006, 04:51 PM
Carr has shown some progress of that there is no doubt. He still has flaws in his game such as the fumbilitis and the bad mechanics and his stats are skewed somewhat but his ability to read defenses and deliver the football from a set position has improved...quite a bit actually. The OL has shown moderate progress and with the added youth it should only improve over the course of the season and the years to come.

I am very happy to see that progress is being made with our offense and hope that the trend continues. I haven't been optimistic about Carr and our offense in quite a while. Let's try and look at the bright points and not focus on the fumbles, meaningless touchdowns, and some of the inherent flaws in his game. Bottom line is he has made more progress in 6 months under Kubiak than he did with 4 years under the previous regime. It's a slow process but at least now there is evidence of improvement, and for that I am grateful. I also appreciate the fact that Kubiak has the offense still playing and competing even in the face of inevitable defeat. Now if we could only get a heart transplant for the defense, we could start to compete as a team on any given Sunday.

Doug from The Woodlands

chuckm
09-27-2006, 04:55 PM
In other news, Drew Henson just worked out for the Dolphins: Link (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-henson092706,0,4613113.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front)

I believe he just signed with the Vikes, on the practice squad

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2605007

infantrycak
09-27-2006, 04:57 PM
In other news, Drew Henson just worked out for the Dolphins: Link (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-henson092706,0,4613113.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front)

He has been signed to the Vikings' practice squad.

Vikings | Henson signed to practice squad
Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:00:56 -0700

Sean Jensen, of the Pioneer Press, reports the Minnesota Vikings have signed QB Drew Henson (Cowboys) to their practice squad.

Kind of surprised he was still eligible.

hollywood_texan
09-27-2006, 05:08 PM
Comparing time of possession 1st 3 games 2005 to 1st 3 games of 2006:

2005...................2006...............
Game 1: 21:45......Game 1: 27:09
Game 2: 30:54......Game 2: 25:04
Game 3: 25:26......Game 3: 21:33

Our offense was on the field MORE in 2005 (2 out of the first 3 games, at least). Extra time of possession in those two games last season COULD equal more chances of getting sacked.

So, not so sure this stat you've brought up (from the geniuses at The Chronicle) is entirely indicative of a better o line......or a result of not being on the field as much in 2006.

Thanks for sharing, though. It's nice to see some real commentary and not a thread that's just somebody venting their anger.

This is a great analysis.

Maybe since the defense is so bad and they can't get the opposing offense off the field, they are actually helping with the sack issue.

The defense is actually doing Carr a favor with regard to the sack issue.

This is priceless...

El Tejano
09-27-2006, 05:19 PM
Take out the scripted first drives and the 4th quarter "prevent" defenses and what do you have left? Average? I do think he has improved to average though.

He improved to average at the beginning of the season hopefully he can be good by the end.

Second Honeymoon
09-27-2006, 05:32 PM
Take out the scripted first drives and the 4th quarter "prevent" defenses and what do you have left? Average? I do think he has improved to average though.

I agree with you Vinny but you cant discount the opening drives as being 'scripted'. That is standard operating procedure in the NFL as you well know.

Carr still has a long long way to go but he is actually making progress and we have to take solace in that due to the fact that he is Kubes/McNair's guy, for better or worse.

doug ftw

Mr teX
09-27-2006, 09:26 PM
Take out the scripted first drives and the 4th quarter "prevent" defenses and what do you have left? Average? I do think he has improved to average though.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with this statement, although i don't think he improved to avg. Just slightly above average.

edo783
09-27-2006, 10:00 PM
He has been signed to the Vikings' practice squad.

Kind of surprised he was still eligible.

I wondered about that also. Some how doesn't look right.

threetoedpete
09-27-2006, 11:07 PM
I was just posting about pass protection - not Carr - I think any QB would improve by not having to take 20 sacks. That's just a crazy amount of hits.

Nice post. Thank you for a positive thread. We are clearly divided on the Carr issue. Those who have sipped the cool aide. And those who have not. No way your going to keep this from becomming a Carr thread. Nice try though. Where's Kiss ?

infantrycak
09-27-2006, 11:27 PM
I wondered about that also. Some how doesn't look right.

You can't have been active for more than 9 games. He actually played in 7 so I am surprised he wasn't active for 9 but I guess he made a pass at Parcell's daughter and got sent out to do dying cockroaches.

TK_Gamer
09-28-2006, 06:23 AM
Take out the scripted first drives and the 4th quarter "prevent" defenses and what do you have left? Average? I do think he has improved to average though.

why would you take out the scripted first drives? do you want him to look worse? Didn't he still have to run the plays whether they are scripted or not? didnt he have to read the defense and chose his reciever anyway? I hope theres a reason rather than an agenda. I would expect more from you AJ. and then why take out the last drives? he's trying to win isnt he?. why is it evey scrap of good news or improvement from Carr on this board is detracted from in some way with another negative? I don't get it.

Texans Horror
09-28-2006, 06:37 AM
Speaking of pass protection, though...

The Texans need to do something during the bye week. This will be their best chance to bring in a new LT. Salaam isn't working out, and I hope it won't take this regime as long as it took the old regime to figure out that the LT spot is a bust. Of course, there are other problems, namely, that the RT spot is also a bust.

The problem is that as bad as the offense is, Carr's QB rating is up, and the defense is deplorable. For these reasons, the Houston o-line deficiencies are being over-looked. This does not mean they don't exist - it just means the sports writers have a new topic. What it is going to take is for Carr to stop ditching the tackles out - get the extra 2-3 sacks per game, then people will point their fingers back to the line and wonder what was done to improve it.

And the answer will be that at this point, it is almost identical to last year's, anchored by a journeyman LT who has been kicked out of two locker rooms. And worse, at least in previous years they could run-block.

Maddict5
09-28-2006, 07:04 AM
Take out the scripted first drives and the 4th quarter "prevent" defenses and what do you have left? Average? I do think he has improved to average though.

hater...

take out peyton mannings no-huddle offence and what are you left with:tease: .... you just cant take things out..they're part of his game

edit TK beat me to it....

Maddict5
09-28-2006, 09:00 AM
Comparing time of possession 1st 3 games 2005 to 1st 3 games of 2006:

2005...................2006...............
Game 1: 21:45......Game 1: 27:09
Game 2: 30:54......Game 2: 25:04
Game 3: 25:26......Game 3: 21:33

Our offense was on the field MORE in 2005 (2 out of the first 3 games, at least). Extra time of possession in those two games last season COULD equal more chances of getting sacked.

So, not so sure this stat you've brought up (from the geniuses at The Chronicle) is entirely indicative of a better o line......or a result of not being on the field as much in 2006.

Thanks for sharing, though. It's nice to see some real commentary and not a thread that's just somebody venting their anger.

theres a 3-4 minute difference....out of about 78 minutes....the most you could add on in that time is a sack or 2 in that...

dantem
09-28-2006, 10:49 AM
So we are less pathetic then last year? This doesn't make me dance in the streets.

How do we compare to 2004, the last time we had a competent offense?

Did you mean the Team or the Fans?

dantem
09-28-2006, 11:00 AM
What is interesting about this stat with limited games, is traditionally, Carr has been better in the second and third quarters.

Weird.

It seems like they come out confident and by the 2nd quarter they start doubting themselves, at least from Carr's comments last week about guys getting a "here we go again attitude" when the skins tied them up in the first quarter. Then by the 4th quarter they start into a pseudo 2 minute drill and begin to look like a “run and shoot“ offense.

edo783
09-28-2006, 12:30 PM
Anybody else notice that Carr seems to play better when he plays at a faster pace like the 2 min. or hurry-up offense?

Tale Gator
09-28-2006, 01:12 PM
Anybody else notice that Carr seems to play better when he plays at a faster pace like the 2 min. or hurry-up offense?

Generally when we play in the hurry-up the other team is in the prevent. I would like to see us run the hurry-up early in the game like the Colts and Bengals do with great results.

GP
09-28-2006, 01:24 PM
theres a 3-4 minute difference....out of about 78 minutes....the most you could add on in that time is a sack or 2 in that...

Actually, it's 6 minutes difference between the Game 2s....and 4 minutes difference between the game 3s. Total of 10 minutes for the two games, not 3-4 as you said.

3-4 minutes and 10 minutes is a big jump. I could see at least another 3-5 sacks within that timeframe, as the game is wearing on and our line is more tired and more deflated/Carr looking for WRs and holding onto the ball longer to get it downfield and not the short stuff.

IMO, the extra 10 minutes off the field this season plays at least a little bit of a role in why the sacks are down. Doesn't account for all of it, but it is playing a role IMO.

Maddict5
09-28-2006, 03:01 PM
Actually, it's 6 minutes difference between the Game 2s....and 4 minutes difference between the game 3s. Total of 10 minutes for the two games, not 3-4 as you said.

3-4 minutes and 10 minutes is a big jump. I could see at least another 3-5 sacks within that timeframe, as the game is wearing on and our line is more tired and more deflated/Carr looking for WRs and holding onto the ball longer to get it downfield and not the short stuff.

IMO, the extra 10 minutes off the field this season plays at least a little bit of a role in why the sacks are down. Doesn't account for all of it, but it is playing a role IMO.


WHAT???:tease:

yeah its 10 minutes if you only count games 2 and 3...but in game 1 the 2006 texans had it for around 6 minutes more than last year's team thereby bringing down the total back to about 4 minutes total:ok: ....plus imo we've faced better d-lines this year