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jmlockett
09-26-2006, 08:37 AM
I would like to say that I know not everyone on here is going like what I am about to discuss. I personally don't care.

I am so upset that our team is performing the way that they are. I watch the games on my dvr and cant even get through them because it's so bad. I could research and throw stats on here and say that we will get better. Although I hope we do, I dont see it happening because there is no proof it will. I hope that a wake up call from the fans to the team might work. I can recall a time when we had a attitude concept coach come in and work on our heads. I can honestly say that it has helped me alot.

I want to point out that I know rome wasn't built in a day. If given the chance to talk to the players, I would probably say:

What has gotten into you! You guys are acting like a bunch of washed up pouting babys! I Hear you all saying we need to do this for Coach. We need to play better!

What about yourselves. What about the pride that you should have for being on this team! My deceased grandma would play better then you! You guys dont want it or if you do you dont act like it (chair gets thrown across room)

Wake Up!!!! You guys need to get things going and start to realize that the FANS that pays your bills aren't going to be there forever!!! Did it feel good getting boooed in your own stadium? Losers make excuses and winners WIN! All I hear is excuses and don't see much winning!!!!! So does that make you guys losers?

You could be one of the top teams!! DO You want it?
Can YOU taste it?
Then prove it!!!!!

No more excuses. Get tough!!! Know that you have to prove to yourselves that you are a champion!

Look in the mirror every morning and say ten times "I am a Champion, I will Play and Practice like a CHAMPION" and "Excuses are for losers and Winners win I am a WINNER"

A Quote
"My instict is to win. To overcome obstacles. To Defeat my Enemy and move on without any hesitation at all" this is a quote from the governator about what was his driving force at winning.

HJam72
09-26-2006, 08:41 AM
Oh, now, come on. As long as they have excuses, they are not losers. :ok:

Texans_Chick
09-26-2006, 08:55 AM
I want to point out that I know rome wasn't built in a day. If given the chance to talk to the players, I would probably say:

What has gotten into you! You guys are acting like a bunch of washed up pouting babys! I Hear you all saying we need to do this for Coach. We need to play better!

What about yourselves. What about the pride that you should have for being on this team! My deceased grandma would play better then you! You guys dont want it or if you do you dont act like it (chair gets thrown across room)

Wake Up!!!! You guys need to get things going and start to realize that the FANS that pays your bills aren't going to be there forever!!! Did it feel good getting boooed in your own stadium? Losers make excuses and winners WIN! All I hear is excuses and don't see much winning!!!!! So does that make you guys losers?

You could be one of the top teams!! DO You want it?
Can YOU taste it?
Then prove it!!!!!

No more excuses. Get tough!!! Know that you have to prove to yourselves that you are a champion!

Look in the mirror every morning and say ten times "I am a Champion, I will Play and Practice like a CHAMPION" and "Excuses are for losers and Winners win I am a WINNER"

A Quote
"My instict is to win. To overcome obstacles. To Defeat my Enemy and move on without any hesitation at all" this is a quote from the governator about what was his driving force at winning.

I am sure that if you said those things to the players it would make a big difference. not.

As much as it pains the fans to see it, it makes the players even unhappier. At the end of the game, you can hang up your Texans gear, and nobody identifies you as a Texans fan. The players go about their days as "that Texans football player." Don't you think they would rather be winning?

Everybody wants to pick on this player or that player, but the fact is that in a team game, they all have to play better at the same time. A play here or there can make the difference between a win and loss, a game and a blowout.

We can hope that everything just involves fixable mental errors and not physical deficits. Kubiak has said that much, but just because he said it, doesn't make it true.

joshri
09-26-2006, 08:55 AM
Its almost like the Draft is our Super Bowl. It gets rather annoying year after year. Especially when we are equally inept at the Draft as we are at playing...

Mr. White
09-26-2006, 09:05 AM
Look in the mirror every morning and say ten times "I am a Champion, I will Play and Practice like a CHAMPION" and "Excuses are for losers and Winners win I am a WINNER"


It could be worse.
They could be living in a van down by the river.
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e60/coreyvice/Matt_Foley_Saturday_Night_Live.jpg

edo783
09-26-2006, 09:18 AM
It could be worse.
They could be living in a van down by the river.
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e60/coreyvice/Matt_Foley_Saturday_Night_Live.jpg

And what's wrong with that? It makes it real easy to fish out the back door. Mmmmm, cat fish.

HomeBred_Texan
09-26-2006, 09:26 AM
It could be worse.
They could be living in a van down by the river.


Dang it, now I have to clean coffee off of my monitor. That was a good one.

TK_Gamer
09-26-2006, 09:41 AM
I am sure that if you said those things to the players it would make a big difference. not.

As much as it pains the fans to see it, it makes the players even unhappier. At the end of the game, you can hang up your Texans gear, and nobody identifies you as a Texans fan. The players go about their days as "that Texans football player." Don't you think they would rather be winning?

Everybody wants to pick on this player or that player, but the fact is that in a team game, they all have to play better at the same time. A play here or there can make the difference between a win and loss, a game and a blowout.

We can hope that everything just involves fixable mental errors and not physical deficits. Kubiak has said that much, but just because he said it, doesn't make it true.
amen, kubiak sure is pushing the mental errors agenda, and pointing fingers, but he seems afraid to point the finger at the guy calling the plays on defense when we are trying to stop a 3rd and 12 or 3rd and 21. you dont put your young rookies in 1 on 1 situations that mean the difference between getting the ball back and giving up a touchdown. and you dont put yourself in a soft cover 2 with the middle wide open when your going up against one of the better running backs in the game. this year is going to make me hate the texans as an orginization. richard smith is our problem, and I hope mcnair steps in and fixes it before its too late and some very good rookie defensive prospects are ruined because the coach doesnt have the balls to call out the DC.

eriadoc
09-26-2006, 09:43 AM
I realize fans are frustrated, but honestly, does anyone here really think the team doesn't see that? Really?

HomeBred_Texan
09-26-2006, 09:46 AM
I realize fans are frustrated, but honestly, does anyone here really think the team doesn't see that? Really?

I don't think it's a question of who sees it, rather it's coaches or players...

It's a question of what the heck or they gonna do about it...:confused:

TheOgre
09-26-2006, 09:47 AM
And what's wrong with that? It makes it real easy to fish out the back door. Mmmmm, cat fish.

How about a three-eyed fish? :homer:

eriadoc
09-26-2006, 10:03 AM
I don't think it's a question of who sees it, rather it's coaches or players...

It's a question of what the heck or they gonna do about it...:confused:

The only thing they can do is keep practicing, keep playing hard, trim the fat, and keep building the team. Unfortunately, for a team like this, most of the positive progress will be done off the field for the first couple of years. There are players here that don't fit into what Kubiak wants to do, there are players that just can't do what he wants, and there are probably some players that just have a defeatist attitude after four years of being a Texan. All that has to go before this team gets turned around. Take a look at how the Bengals went about rebuilding for a realistic scenario. Marvin Lewis took a couple years to really turn that team around. I believe last year was their first winning season in a long time (the year before they went 8-8).

Anyway, the fans booing, writing letters to the team, calling into radio stations .... there is a point of diminishing returns. The team cannot focus on placating the fans - it has to focus on building this team to win. That will placate the fans.

Texans_Chick
09-26-2006, 10:09 AM
The only thing they can do is keep practicing, keep playing hard, trim the fat, and keep building the team. Unfortunately, for a team like this, most of the positive progress will be done off the field for the first couple of years. There are players here that don't fit into what Kubiak wants to do, there are players that just can't do what he wants, and there are probably some players that just have a defeatist attitude after four years of being a Texan. All that has to go before this team gets turned around. Take a look at how the Bengals went about rebuilding for a realistic scenario. Marvin Lewis took a couple years to really turn that team around. I believe last year was their first winning season in a long time (the year before they went 8-8).

Anyway, the fans booing, writing letters to the team, calling into radio stations .... there is a point of diminishing returns. The team cannot focus on placating the fans - it has to focus on building this team to win. That will placate the fans.


I write postcards to the team. Only encouraging things. I know they get them and appreciate it because I've been told.

Marcus
09-26-2006, 10:18 AM
Well, if you want to cut to the chase and talk about something that nobody wants to talk about then let's do it.

The Houston Texans are a very, very bad football team.

This isn't about attitude.
This isn't about scheme.
This isn't about coaching.
This isn't about playcalling.

Go ahead and keep deluding yourselves that all it is . . is one of the above, and all they need to do is 'fix' that, and all of a sudden, they will start winning.

Sorry . . that's not going to happen.

What it IS . . is sheer lack of talent
What it IS . . is a gross misevaluation of talent

What really kills me is reading these posts saying, "I can't understand why such a talented group is playing so bad. It's got to be the scheme, or the attitude, or the playcalling, or the coaching." You just want it to be one of those four things because if it is, then all that's needed is the "quick-fix", and then WALAHH! Instant winning football team.

Some of you need to come to terms with the fact that the Texans are bad football team, and they will be a bad football team the rest of this season.

eriadoc
09-26-2006, 10:18 AM
I write postcards to the team. Only encouraging things. I know they get them and appreciate it because I've been told.

Kudos! I was referring to the negativity upon which some fans seem to dwell, of course, but it's good that some fans do things like this as well. :)

Runner
09-26-2006, 10:22 AM
What it IS . . is sheer lack of talent
What it IS . . is a gross misevaluation of talent


It's doubly hard to field good talent when "who you played for before" trumps "what you can do on the field".

eriadoc
09-26-2006, 10:29 AM
Well, if you want to cut to the chase and talk about something that nobody wants to talk about then let's do it.

The Houston Texans are a very, very bad football team.

This isn't about attitude.
This isn't about scheme.
This isn't about coaching.
This isn't about playcalling.

Go ahead and keep deluding yourselves that all it is . . is one of the above, and all they need to do is 'fix' that, and all of a sudden, they will start winning.

Sorry . . that's not going to happen.

What it IS . . is sheer lack of talent
What it IS . . is a gross misevaluation of talent

What really kills me is reading these posts saying, "I can't understand why such a talented group is playing so bad. It's got to be the scheme, or the attitude, or the playcalling, or the coaching." You just want it to be one of those four things because if it is, then all that's needed is the "quick-fix", and then WALAHH! Instant winning football team.

Some of you need to come to terms with the fact that the Texans are bad football team, and they will be a bad football team the rest of this season.


I agree with your overriding sentiment. This team is just plain bad and that will take a couple years to fix. However, regarding the talent issue, we have three first round picks on that defensive line. One of those probably would have been a second rounder if it weren't for Capers/Casserly, but the point still holds. Greenwood produced well in Miami. We overpaid for him, but he showed that he could play before coming to the Texans. Dunta Robinson was a first round pick. He seems to play worse each year he progresses on this team. All of these players were evaluated by other teams to be similarly placed in the draft. Mario would have been taken at #2 most likely, if we didn't take him, TJ would have been taken in the first round, and Babin probably would have been taken anywhere from 5-20 picks later, if we hadn't traded up. Weaver was a high second round draft pick, I believe, and played well in Baltimore. So other teams are seeing the same talent level coming out of college. So there's at least a little something extra going on besides a clear-cut lack of talent issue. We definitely have a lack of talent in many areas - CB, safety, and offensive line come to mind - but that doesn't rightly explain the play we've seen to this point.

kbourda
09-26-2006, 01:31 PM
Well, if you want to cut to the chase and talk about something that nobody wants to talk about then let's do it.

The Houston Texans are a very, very bad football team.

This isn't about attitude.
This isn't about scheme.
This isn't about coaching.
This isn't about playcalling.

Go ahead and keep deluding yourselves that all it is . . is one of the above, and all they need to do is 'fix' that, and all of a sudden, they will start winning.

Sorry . . that's not going to happen.

What it IS . . is sheer lack of talent
What it IS . . is a gross misevaluation of talent

What really kills me is reading these posts saying, "I can't understand why such a talented group is playing so bad. It's got to be the scheme, or the attitude, or the playcalling, or the coaching." You just want it to be one of those four things because if it is, then all that's needed is the "quick-fix", and then WALAHH! Instant winning football team.

Some of you need to come to terms with the fact that the Texans are bad football team, and they will be a bad football team the rest of this season.


I don't know what rep points are (not even sure if I care to know either) but you hit it on the button. Denial, it's more than just a river in Egypt. The sins of the former regime will continue to haunt this franchise for at least another 2-3 years more. But as ususal, some of the fans that are outspoken and seeing things for what they are are considered non-Texan fans and so on and forth. But the "faithful, true, die-hard Texan fan" took CC at his word for every personnel decision he ever made. Honestly, if I were Bob McNair i'd look into theft charges against CC for his questionable at best talent evaluation. I'm right in line with your thoughts, sir. Bravo!!!!! Very well put.

Double Barrel
09-26-2006, 01:54 PM
Some of you need to come to terms with the fact that the Texans are bad football team, and they will be a bad football team the rest of this season.

"You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Marcus again."

Well said, man. The bottom line is that we're a bad - really bad - football team, and fixing the many problems will take years.

There will be no instant gratification for this team and it's remaining fans.

Vinny
09-26-2006, 01:56 PM
I heard someone say on the radio that if we only win 2 games this year we have to be 10-6 for like a decade to be a .500 franchise. haven't done the math myself though.

eriadoc
09-26-2006, 02:02 PM
I heard someone say on the radio that if we only win 2 games this year we have to be 10-6 for like a decade to be a .500 franchise. haven't done the math myself though.

We were 18-46 coming into this year (same as the expansion Bucs through four years, but they made the playoffs in year 4). If we win two games this year, we'll be 20-60, which would require a helluva lot of catching up.

infantrycak
09-26-2006, 02:07 PM
We were 18-46 coming into this year (same as the expansion Bucs through four years, but they made the playoffs in year 4). If we win two games this year, we'll be 20-60, which would require a helluva lot of catching up.

So the answer is yes--10 years. 40 games to make up with a 4 game per year differential after year 10 they would be 120 and 120. But what does that matter?--is anyone going to complain about the franchise's losing record of 50 and 78 after three years of 10 and 6? 51 games are lost and gone--I am concerned about the next 13 games and the seasons after this one.

DBCooper
09-26-2006, 02:08 PM
I heard someone say on the radio that if we only win 2 games this year we have to be 10-6 for like a decade to be a .500 franchise. haven't done the math myself though.

I'd rather win a Super Bowl than have a franchise winning record.

Although lots of Super Bowls sure would make a good winning record.

dantem
09-26-2006, 03:18 PM
Well, if you want to cut to the chase and talk about something that nobody wants to talk about then let's do it.

The Houston Texans are a very, very bad football team.

This isn't about attitude.
This isn't about scheme.
This isn't about coaching.
This isn't about playcalling.

Go ahead and keep deluding yourselves that all it is . . is one of the above, and all they need to do is 'fix' that, and all of a sudden, they will start winning.

Sorry . . that's not going to happen.

What it IS . . is sheer lack of talent
What it IS . . is a gross misevaluation of talent

What really kills me is reading these posts saying, "I can't understand why such a talented group is playing so bad. It's got to be the scheme, or the attitude, or the playcalling, or the coaching." You just want it to be one of those four things because if it is, then all that's needed is the "quick-fix", and then WALAHH! Instant winning football team.

Some of you need to come to terms with the fact that the Texans are bad football team, and they will be a bad football team the rest of this season.

That's a cop out, kinda' like just saying they Suck...

If this were true none of them would have made it to the Pro bowl for their individual efforts. Are you saying that our pro bowl players suck. do you really believe that? Like every team we have some players that are better than thier peers on other teams and some that are worse. the difference is in how they play together as a team. which right now is not happening very well.

dantem
09-26-2006, 03:27 PM
Some of you need to come to terms with the fact that the Texans are bad football team, and they will be a bad football team the rest of this season.

What harm is there in hoping your team does well? This kind of "looser" attitude seems pretty shallow. Does it bother you that other people like the Texans weather they win or not? I don't see your point.

edo783
09-26-2006, 04:20 PM
I heard someone say on the radio that if we only win 2 games this year we have to be 10-6 for like a decade to be a .500 franchise. haven't done the math myself though.

Sounds about right. Even if it isn't, it points out how far we have to go.

Marcus
09-26-2006, 04:40 PM
What harm is there in hoping your team does well? This kind of "looser" attitude seems pretty shallow. Does it bother you that other people like the Texans weather they win or not? I don't see your point.
Where did I say anything about not hoping your team does well?:confused:

You're right. You obviously don't get the point. How bout going back and reading the post again.

Double Barrel
09-26-2006, 04:45 PM
What harm is there in hoping your team does well?

Unrealistic expectations breed negative emotions.

There is never anything wrong with "hope" itself, as long as it is grounded by reality.

And the reality is that we are the worst football team in football right now...and if the trend continues, we'll have the dubious record of having the worst defense in the history of pro football.

I guess we can "hope" that doesn't happen, 'eh? :shades:

dantem
09-26-2006, 05:12 PM
Where did I say anything about not hoping your team does well?:confused:

You're right. You obviously don't get the point. How bout going back and reading the post again.

I read it again... I must be reading it with the wrong voice in my head... it sounds like your saying that someone is dilusional if they think that (forgive any spelling mistakes here) Andre Johnson, Eric Moulds, Demeco Ryans, Seth Payne, Dunta Robinson, David Carr, Travis Johnson, Owen Danials have talent????????? It then seems to go on to say that we should not expect them to do well the rest of the season.

I took that to mean we should not have hope (there is not much room in your post for any...)

Am I reading that wrong.

BTW do you really believe the guys that I listed are not up to NFL Level or were you just overstating to make a point? The NFL does not send guys to the Pro Bowl who have no talent.

dantem
09-26-2006, 05:24 PM
Unrealistic expectations breed negative emotions.

There is never anything wrong with "hope" itself, as long as it is grounded by reality.

And the reality is that we are the worst football team in football right now...and if the trend continues, we'll have the dubious record of having the worst defense in the history of pro football.

I guess we can "hope" that doesn't happen, 'eh? :shades:

Ok, I see your point, But I have never seen a winning Houston football team, So I never expect them to do well, But I hope they do because I spent a lot of money on my season tickets, but even if they don't win I get excited every week about the possibility of a game like the one against the Steelers a while back, or the Dallas Game in the first season.

Double Barrel
09-26-2006, 05:33 PM
The Raiders and Buccaneers might be worse.

"Might" is in the eyes of the beholder. ;) Our defense is on par to give up the most yards per season in the history of pro football. We'll know soon enough about the Raiders, though, since we'll see them later this season, IIRC.

Ok, I see your point, But I have never seen a winning Houston football team, So I never expect them to do well, But I hope they do because I spent a lot of money on my season tickets, but even if they don't win I get excited every week about the possibility of a game like the one against the Steelers a while back, or the Dallas Game in the first season.

I don't blame you, bro'. I sincerely hope we show up every week, and I go into every game hoping that something positive will happen that allows us to get our act together and win a game. Never give up that hope for your team. :ok:

I just never expect it these days.

jmlockett
09-26-2006, 09:16 PM
I am sure that if you said those things to the players it would make a big difference. not.

As much as it pains the fans to see it, it makes the players even unhappier. At the end of the game, you can hang up your Texans gear, and nobody identifies you as a Texans fan. The players go about their days as "that Texans football player." Don't you think they would rather be winning?

Everybody wants to pick on this player or that player, but the fact is that in a team game, they all have to play better at the same time. A play here or there can make the difference between a win and loss, a game and a blowout.

We can hope that everything just involves fixable mental errors and not physical deficits. Kubiak has said that much, but just because he said it, doesn't make it true.

Well you may hang up your gear and hide behind your name and unless someone know who you are then your secret is out.

Me personally I work in the public and the Texans is a conversation topic that is never ending.

As for the players not responding I dont know. Maybe what they need is a good stiff kick in the a**. As for the people who dont think we have the talent. Rotate on it. I feel that we may not have the talent to win the superbowl sure, but we do have the talent to be more competitive. A winning team is based on talent and attitude. If you don't have the attitude then you don't have the mental toughness to win. If you have the talent and a poor self image then you might as well hang your cleats and don an apron and sell hotdogs.

Marcus
09-27-2006, 08:26 AM
As for the players not responding I dont know. Maybe what they need is a good stiff kick in the a**. As for the people who dont think we have the talent. Rotate on it. I feel that we may not have the talent to win the superbowl sure, but we do have the talent to be more competitive. A winning team is based on talent and attitude. If you don't have the attitude then you don't have the mental toughness to win. If you have the talent and a poor self image then you might as well hang your cleats and don an apron and sell hotdogs.
Oh, OK! Right!:rolleyes:

It's always about 'attitude', isn't it? Just wave the old magic wand and 'quick-fix' the attitude, and BOOM . . . all of a sudden we have a pass rush.:yawn:

You show me where the talent is on that defensive line. Or better than that, show me where you see an "attitude problem" there.

I haven't seen any evidence of an attitude problem with that abomination that you would call a defense. All I see is four high-priced defensive linemen getting beat physically on every single play. Open your eyes, and get over your denial.

jmlockett
09-27-2006, 06:35 PM
Oh, OK! Right!:rolleyes:

It's always about 'attitude', isn't it? Just wave the old magic wand and 'quick-fix' the attitude, and BOOM . . . all of a sudden we have a pass rush.:yawn:

You show me where the talent is on that defensive line. Or better than that, show me where you see an "attitude problem" there.

I haven't seen any evidence of an attitude problem with that abomination that you would call a defense. All I see is four high-priced defensive linemen getting beat physically on every single play. Open your eyes, and get over your denial.
Ok lets see ahh first attitude problem I see is the fact when the tv news was showing our players in the locker room it was all the same bs as last yr as if they really were on auto pilot and this is the canned responses that were expected to be heard. Talent on the dl well they are paid more then you and me put together and are good enough that they are playing in nfl. Me personally I am not in denial about anything I just feel that we are more capable of playing a better football game then what we have shown. I feel that the term attitude is a just term to be used here. If you have a can't win can't do attitude then that is what your mind is going to expect and except. If you have a winning everthing attitude then losing the games the way that we have should make you want to puke in your helmet. As for yourself being a negative person at least thats the way you came across, you may not understand this. I at least know that our team needs help and I am not going to loose any sleep over it. The coaches get paid to do that. I personally will set back and wait and pray that maybe we get a game worth watching. Then maybe we might get a winning season. Denial no reality yes. After all its not my butt on the line if they loose and since I don't gamble then its a win win situation for me.

hollywood_texan
09-27-2006, 06:57 PM
I think this is a really good thread and many people have put up some very good points.

One thing I have noticed going thru this entire thread is the only time players names are mentioned is when there is discussion of talent on the defensive line and 1st round draft picks. The C name isn't even used in this entire thread. Maybe I missed it somewhere.

What I am getting at here is that it looks like a lot of people are really being honest about their feelings and where they stand with this franchise as a whole.

What I see is that the Texans Franchise is very close to falling into a crater that could take a decade to climb out of. That stat of going 2-14 this year would mean the Texans would have to go 10-6 an entire decade to get to .500 for the history of the franchise is really a shot to the arm. With free agency, there really is no excuse for a franchise to be well below .500 over an extended period of time.

As stated earlier, there are several positions on this team that lack the required amount of talent. However, there is enough talent in the other positions that should make up for that to at least make this team competitive. I am not talking about winning games, just being competitive.

Right now, this team isn't even competitive, and I don't see anything that shows that will change in the near future, meaning this season.

The Texans changed the front office, the coaching staff, some personnel, and it still fills like this organizaiton is in quicksand. The Texans are not moving forward, that is for sure.

I don't think it is acceptable that this team has to get worse before they get better, they were already pretty bad last year.

If things don't to trend to getting a little better, it will be interesting to see how the fan support pans out.

jmlockett
09-27-2006, 10:16 PM
I think this is a really good thread and many people have put up some very good points.

One thing I have noticed going thru this entire thread is the only time players names are mentioned is when there is discussion of talent on the defensive line and 1st round draft picks. The C name isn't even used in this entire thread. Maybe I missed it somewhere.

What I am getting at here is that it looks like a lot of people are really being honest about their feelings and where they stand with this franchise as a whole.

What I see is that the Texans Franchise is very close to falling into a crater that could take a decade to climb out of. That stat of going 2-14 this year would mean the Texans would have to go 10-6 an entire decade to get to .500 for the history of the franchise is really a shot to the arm. With free agency, there really is no excuse for a franchise to be well below .500 over an extended period of time.

As stated earlier, there are several positions on this team that lack the required amount of talent. However, there is enough talent in the other positions that should make up for that to at least make this team competitive. I am not talking about winning games, just being competitive.

Right now, this team isn't even competitive, and I don't see anything that shows that will change in the near future, meaning this season.

The Texans changed the front office, the coaching staff, some personnel, and it still fills like this organizaiton is in quicksand. The Texans are not moving forward, that is for sure.

I don't think it is acceptable that this team has to get worse before they get better, they were already pretty bad last year.

If things don't to trend to getting a little better, it will be interesting to see how the fan support pans out.
That is exactly my point. There is no reason that we are not more competitive. Personally from a fan's point of view, it would be sad to see the fan base dwindle down to nothing. Mr. McNair and his staff went into this with their highest expectations I am sure. Coach Kubiak came to this orgaization with the same enthusiasm. I have never been to a Texans game not because I don't want to but it has been because I either can't afford to go or I have been working to support my wife and kids. I look forward to seeing the game on the DVR when I get home. I stay away from all tvs and radios at work on sundays. When I get home and turn on the game and see the way the games start to pan out, I end up just hitting delete and erasing the game. I then look at the internet to see just how bad it was. This is what I mean folks lets just get competitive. Let somone like me come home after working 11 hrs and enjoy a good game. No I am not saying it is ok to lose. I am saying that I expect to have a rough season. New players, New Coaches, New Systems you get the picture? We can't expect them to go 11-5 the first yr. I do expect them to be competitive and win a couple of games in the regular season.

AustinJB
09-27-2006, 10:54 PM
I am saying that I expect to have a rough season. New players, New Coaches, New Systems you get the picture? We can't expect them to go 11-5 the first yr. I do expect them to be competitive and win a couple of games in the regular season.

This is what bothers me the most so far. I predicted to have no more than 6 wins this season...I expected us to have more bumps than easy rides this year. What I didn't expect is to lose the way we are losing...I mean it is downright embarassing.

Now some people tend to go into the season with blind faith proclaiming 12 and 13 wins a possibility. While those people are obviously looking very foolish right now, even those of us that try to be more realistic in our expectations are a little taken back. We're not just losing......we're LOSING UGLY!! I mean, can we at least be competitive in a couple of our games?? This is what I'm looking for the rest of the year. :hides:

Clearly, the defense shouldn't even be called a defense until they show they're capable of stopping someone.....ANYONE!:wild: :wild: :wild:

jmlockett
09-27-2006, 11:00 PM
I am not sure when I posted a entry pertaining to getting guys with a fire in their belly. I believe that we have a better defense on paper that what is showing up on the field. I remember making the statement that we should get a ol and a dl that should be brought in in straight jackets and cages. Tell them that the other teams qb called their momma badddddd name. Then point them out to them. :brickwall

infantrycak
09-27-2006, 11:02 PM
Clearly, the defense shouldn't even be called a defense until they show they're capable of stopping someone.....ANYONE!:wild: :wild: :wild:

Right now the D couldn't stop an asthmatic possum from wheezing a tumble weed 100 yds down the field for a TD. Until that stops, everything else is irrelevant.

[no possums asthmatic or otherwise or tumble weeds were harmed in the making of this post--unless they were playing on the Texans D]

threetoedpete
09-28-2006, 12:48 AM
Great thread guys. They fooled me. We'll see for sure sunday. If we can't compete with Miami, who's o line from everything I've seen sugests they are struggeling, I think the truth tonic is exactly what the board needs. Ronnie Brown bombs us...you guys are on point.

jmlockett
09-28-2006, 08:22 AM
After a good nights sleep I have arrived to the conclusion that our new draftee at DE should be singled out.

I honestly think that some head work should go on there. One on ones to make him really ticked off. Give him some ****** duties until he starts to get mad.
Then tell him to take it out on the field, and not let up on him. There is no chance he is going to quit. 50 something million come on now. Instead of finger pointing we need to try to get a way to p**s this guy off. I was reading several reviews on him and from what I have read it seems that he is too hesitant and that he is not yet ready to be in the nfl. I am not saying he is the wrong choice. Good lord lets not go there. I am saying that maybe we should of brought him around a little slower. :sos:

Stampede
09-28-2006, 09:39 AM
Maybe we should try to sign that soda pop machine that trains with Reggie Bush.

jmlockett
09-28-2006, 10:06 AM
After a good nights sleep I have arrived to the conclusion that our new draftee at DE should be singled out.

I honestly think that some head work should go on there. One on ones to make him really ticked off. Give him some ****** duties until he starts to get mad.
Then tell him to take it out on the field, and not let up on him. There is no chance he is going to quit. 50 something million come on now. Instead of finger pointing we need to try to get a way to p**s this guy off. I was reading several reviews on him and from what I have read it seems that he is too hesitant and that he is not yet ready to be in the nfl. I am not saying he is the wrong choice. Good lord lets not go there. I am saying that maybe we should of brought him around a little slower. :sos:

Ok I just read this and let me add something to this please. I didn't mean to say that MW wasnt ready for the NFL. I meant that he might not be ready to start in the NFL. Please excuse this mistake.