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Wolf
09-24-2006, 10:38 PM
Head coach Gary Kubiak

(on the Texans play after the first drive) “We didn’t do anything good after that. I take full responsibility. That’s my group out there, and we have to get better. It’s my responsibility to make sure we go out and play for four quarters.”

(on the Redskins' defense) “They did everything we thought they would do. They made a big play early and they came after us until the end of the game. That’s what they do on defense.”

(on the Texans' defense) “It wasn’t good. We didn’t stop them all day except for the first drive. We’ll have to take a hard look at what we’re doing, how we’re doing it and who we’re doing it with. We’ve got a long way to go. I take responsibility for that and I have to find a way to fix it.”

(on the loss overall) “It’s extremely disappointing.You want to see progress in what you’re doing and today was definitely not progress. You can’t play for just a series or a quarter, you have to play all day.”

(on being so hard on himself) “That’s the way I feel. That was ugly today. Some of the things that happened out there today are inexcusable, but I take full responsibility.”
(on getting an early lead and losing it) “I haven’t had to deal with this particular aspect of the game a lot. I’ve been in professional football a long time and you make plays and sometimes you get stuck. That’s football, that’s part of the game. They’re all great players out there on the field, and we just have to step up and make plays.”

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=2914


there are some ryans/williams,carr,daniels etc quotes too

Wolf
09-24-2006, 10:40 PM
http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=20114

Gibbs post game script..very PC

Hervoyel
09-24-2006, 10:45 PM
All of that stuff looks very familiar to me and I couldn't understand why. Oh sure we heard it last week but that's not what I'm talking about. I mean that something about the wording triggered an old memory. I had a little deja vu going on for a moment and then it hit me.

Hugh Campbell.

This team acts and plays just like the Hugh Campbell era Oilers right down to the honest "I take all the blame" post-game comments from the head coach.

Vinny
09-24-2006, 10:50 PM
Oh geez...he does have a bit of a Hugh feel. On the Bob Allen show they said that Carr has something like 53 fumbles in his 60 something starts too. That's a crazy stat.

Hervoyel
09-24-2006, 11:05 PM
Oh geez...he does have a bit of a Hugh feel. On the Bob Allen show they said that Carr has something like 53 fumbles in his 60 something starts too. That's a crazy stat.


It goes well with his crazy sack stat though doesn't it?

Seriously though fumbles are not a good thing. Sacks you can say "Well his line can't protect him" and that tends to be accepted as true even though sometimes it's not the whole story. Fumbles are all about David and once you get that reputation for being a player who fumbles a lot people will always come after you to try and cause one. Being a fumbler is like throwing a lot of picks.

If he had insane interception numbers along with those fumbles then he'd already be gone I think.

disaacks3
09-24-2006, 11:07 PM
Oh geez...he does have a bit of a Hugh feel. On the Bob Allen show they said that Carr has something like 53 fumbles in his 60 something starts too. That's a crazy stat. Agreed, and I'd feel even worse about it if our O-Line didn't suck so much. How many of the fumbles came from being stepped on or blown snap-counts, that's the "other half of that stat I'd like to see.

Kubes is taking the blame, but I want to see some more a**-chewing if that's what it takes. The last-second Defensive substitutions weren't helping any either.

Vinny
09-24-2006, 11:09 PM
We have much bigger problems than Carr...this thing is a dike with a billion little holes in it. Fixing any one or two things won't make us a good team. This is gonna be a long fix.

NATHANHALE
09-24-2006, 11:14 PM
Well, at least he didn't use the word 'execute', and he did accept blame. However, he keeps talking about it being his responsibilty to make everything 'better.' So, will we hear what he's going to do to make things 'better,' or will that exist on a weekly basis like 'execute?'

Mattheus_Rex
09-24-2006, 11:17 PM
Stupid mistakes like fumbles can kill you for a game, but what's killing the team for the season is the lack of any effective seconday. A perfect example of that is that Portis shuffle pass. The Redskins whole intent was to get a couple extra yards for the easy field goal and ended up with tha 30 yd TD.

Houston_Fanatic
09-24-2006, 11:19 PM
I hope we hear something specific about how he plans on "getting better", otherwise saying you take responsibility is just empty words and does not mean anything.

12Gage
09-24-2006, 11:21 PM
It felt like week 1 all over again. Great, flawless first drive then terrible play the rest of the game.

Houston_Fanatic
09-24-2006, 11:23 PM
Stupid mistakes like fumbles can kill you for a game, but what's killing the team for the season is the lack of any effective seconday. A perfect example of that is that Portis shuffle pass. The Redskins whole intent was to get a couple extra yards for the easy field goal and ended up with tha 30 yd TD.

It looked like to me that they quit playing altogether and figured the half was over since time was running out. You can't do that in the NFL. I won't even comment on the second half... :brickwall

Scott747
09-24-2006, 11:24 PM
I so want Gary to succeed and be "the" coach that takes us to the elite level.

With that said...

This general thinking of "lets give him time" is not going to fly after this latest effort. The game plan and NO adjustments at half-time was and is inexcusable, period! There is no doubt that those knowledgeable enough realized that in all likelihood we would start out the season 0-3. But at this level? We can complain to hell and high-water about the lack of personnel and such, but IMO this was squarely on the shoulders of Richard Smith and Gary Kubiak.

The "aw shucks" it is my responsibility is going to grow very tiresome, very quick. I want to hear about some "Tuna" like blow-ups behind the scenes after the level of coaching from the defensive side shown in this game.

12Gage
09-24-2006, 11:31 PM
It looked like to me that they quit playing altogether and figured the half was over since time was running out. You can't do that in the NFL. I won't even comment on the second half... :brickwall
Man, I swear I was that smiley durning the game.:brickwall I got a knot on my forehead to prove it. lol... seriouly I do

Reddevil63
09-24-2006, 11:50 PM
Oh geez...he does have a bit of a Hugh feel. On the Bob Allen show they said that Carr has something like 53 fumbles in his 60 something starts too. That's a crazy stat.

Not directing this at you personally or defending his fumblitis, just something to chew on...


Most fumbles in a Career:
161 - Warren Moon, Houston, 1984-1993; Minnesota, 1994-96; Seattle, 1997-98; Kansas City, 1999-2000

ComstockLode
09-24-2006, 11:52 PM
Not directing this at you personally or defending his fumblitis, just something to chew on...

Daunte Culpepper should eventually take over that stat.

BigDTexansFan
09-24-2006, 11:57 PM
Oh geez...he does have a bit of a Hugh feel. On the Bob Allen show they said that Carr has something like 53 fumbles in his 60 something starts too. That's a crazy stat.

Carr 6 fumbles in last 2 games and lost 2 of those, not heartening at all

HJam72
09-25-2006, 12:05 AM
I've defended Carr so far this season, but he always has fumbled snaps too much and now he's doing it with a proven, veteran center. I can't deny the fumble thing.

mexican_texan
09-25-2006, 12:08 AM
Umm..no, Richard Smith and everyone associated with the D should fess up. That was a disgraceful outing. Their game checks should be donated to a childrens' hospital or something, not many guys deserve them.

HJam72
09-25-2006, 12:10 AM
Umm..no, Richard Smith and everyone associated with the D should fess up. That was a disgraceful outing. Their game checks should be donated to a childrens' hospital or something, not many guys deserve them.

I wouldn't be so hard of Dunta, but I agree completely with blaming the D.

HJam72
09-25-2006, 12:13 AM
I've defended Carr so far this season, but he always has fumbled snaps too much and now he's doing it with a proven, veteran center. I can't deny the fumble thing.


Forgot Hodgedon played today, but it's definitely Carr doing it.

utahmark
09-25-2006, 12:25 AM
Forgot Hodgedon played today, but it's definitely Carr doing it.

it was hodgdons fault the first time. maybe carrs the second.

Grid
09-25-2006, 12:49 AM
last game when he fumbled it was the center as well.

Im not gonna defend it to much, but before this season he had McKinney as his center.. who had never played center before.. this year he has had Flanagan and Hodgdon..two players i really like, but still new centers.. and some of those fumbled snaps werent Carrs fault.

Either way though, that is something that can be fixed.


I did have a question though.. pardon my youth but just how bad was the Hugh era?

Also, I liked this quote:

(on the Texans' defense) “It wasn’t good. We didn’t stop them all day except for the first drive. We’ll have to take a hard look at what we’re doing, how we’re doing it and who we’re doing it with. We’ve got a long way to go. I take responsibility for that and I have to find a way to fix it.”

It sounds to me as though Kubiak is acknowledging the Defense sucks.. and says that he is going to look at what we are doing there and fix it. Which sounds to me as though some things are gonna be changing real quick and in a hurry.

I like Kube. I dunno why he is so stuck on taking all the blame.. maybe he really feels entirely responsible.. maybe he is really struggling in his role as head coach and feels as though he isnt doing well enough.. i dunno. But they say a good head coach is arrogant.. and taking all the blame doesnt strike me as arrogant. Could you see Tom Coughlin or Bill Parcells or Bill Belichick come out and take blame like that?

Ibar_Harry
09-25-2006, 01:07 AM
We have much bigger problems than Carr...this thing is a dike with a billion little holes in it. Fixing any one or two things won't make us a good team. This is gonna be a long fix.

Vinny a very honest statement. We are getting bit by the injury bug again. Its affecting our play in crazy ways. My biggest concern is the defense and stupid plays stopping the offense. Its not only Carr fumbling, because the new center is having trouble with the kadence(sp) count, but also plays like Pitts and Wiegert stopping drives at critical points. We have a defensive TD nullified by a penaly on T Johnson(I believe).

Take away the inopportune penalties and the game could well have been a lot closer than most think. We seem to be snake bitten as they say. Its just crazy what is happening to us. May be we just need to relax and quit tryiing so hard. Oh, I know you guys are going to yell at me about the defense, but sometimes you can simply say too much. People need to be reacting and not thinking.

Whatever defensive scheme we are running is no secret to the opposition. They seem to understand the scheme better than our defensive players do. It seems like there is nobody within 5 yards of the opposition when they are receivers.

In the post game interviews it certainly sounded like Carr was warning us that a negative attitude is starting to invade the locker rooms. As he said, its something to worry about. Our running game remains a mystry to us but not to the other team's defense. I keep saying we need to forget the running game and try to win the game by passing even if we don't run one play the whole day. It's not going to happen that way, but that's only way our running game will be effective.

What is interesting to me is how ineffective the Denver people that we have picked up are. You haven't heard much from Putz and Dayne. Daniels has been truely an amazing find. Why can't the people who supposidly know the offense run it successfully? I keep saying there is something fishy somewhere.

It is very frustrating to watch a team with this kind of talent unravel. We have a very good group of receivers in Daniels, Moulds and AJ. They should be a tough group to stop.

I have a very real concern about the style of coaching at the present time. Many of you are in the camp that believe a lot of people on the team need a good belittling. I tend to disagree with that, because I believe this team is like a group of young leaning disabled students. Yelling is counter productive in that situation. People have to learn to succeed before they can learn how to deal with failure. I believe this team was so desimated by Capers and staff that this team just simply doesn't have any confidence. We are mentally a very fragle team. Most of the coaches on the defense are yellers by nature, and that in fact, might be leading to a lot of the problems you are seeing.

painekiller
09-25-2006, 01:26 AM
Oh geez...he does have a bit of a Hugh feel. On the Bob Allen show they said that Carr has something like 53 fumbles in his 60 something starts too. That's a crazy stat.

Well he has to do something to get in the NFL record books. I think the league has forgotten Roman Gabrial except for this record. **edit note, I stand corrected I see Moon now has that record. Poor Roman he can't even keep the bad records.

painekiller
09-25-2006, 01:31 AM
I did have a question though.. pardon my youth but just how bad was the Hugh era?




Let's just say as bad as last year was, the Hugh years were worse.

NATHANHALE
09-25-2006, 04:53 AM
Like Ibar and others, I'm a little confused right now. Unlike Capers, Kubiak accepts the blame for the teams plight and that's great, but I'm more concerned that 'changes' are not being made. I know I assumed that game planning and game adjustments would be a Kubiak strength but so far- for whatever reason-he has pretty much remained 'status quo.'

True, the offense has had some moments (like with AJ Sunday) and is still a work in progress, but the defense has been horrific. This years defensive stats are not only the worse in the NFL but make last years results (1st 3 games) 'pale' in comparison. What happened to the attacking defense we saw in pre-season? Why aren't we making changes?:confused:

Runner
09-25-2006, 06:06 AM
It is all well and good that he "takes responsibililty", but until he changes some of the ways he does things they are just empty words. He needs to look at what he does and doesn't do and get beyond his ego or stubborness and make the appropriate changes.

aj.
09-25-2006, 06:43 AM
Let's just say as bad as last year was, the Hugh years were worse.

The current stretch of Houston Texans futility is worse than what Hugh Campbell threw at us. Larry Moriarty and all.

HC was 8-22 here. He lasted just under two seasons. He was brought here so we could get Moon.

The Texans current streak of futility is 2-18 if you go back to the Browns game at the end of '04. The Texans would have to go 6-4 in their next 10 to be as "bad" as Hugh Campbell's Oilers over a 30 game stretch.

Of course if the Texans went 6-4 in their next 10, obviously things will have turned around dramatically, but the numbers are thrown out there for effect.

I'm not ready to put the HC label on Kubiak just yet. Many coaches "accept responsibility" (and should) when things go wrong. It comes down to a matter of 'what are you going to do about it?' HC's success was in Canada which we know doesn't necessarly mean anything when you translate it to the NFL (save the Bud Grant and Doug Flutie lectures CFL fan). Kubiak's success in a system, but not as 'the' leader has been in the NFL. Richard Smith's success.....uh .......er........let me get back to you on that.

What we're seeing here now is as bad as the Biles/Studley 'era' or the 1983 season in particular. That has usually been my benchmark for bad here - in the last generation at least...

From what I saw at camp and what I read, I bought into the preseason talk about Smith's defense being aggressive and making big plays but giving up some too. I could still live with that, but the problem is that they are giving up big plays consistently and making none.

NATHANHALE
09-25-2006, 06:44 AM
It is all well and good that he "takes responsibililty", but until he changes some of the ways he does things they are just empty words. He needs to look at what he does and doesn't do and get beyond his ego or stubborness and make the appropriate changes.


...exactly!

thunderkyss
09-25-2006, 07:33 AM
We have much bigger problems than Carr...this thing is a dike with a billion little holes in it. Fixing any one or two things won't make us a good team. This is gonna be a long fix.

I was impressed..... excited even, that David got our widereicievers involved in the game early. But playing from behind early..... it's really hard to say how Carr is doing.


But....... we should all be able to agree that he still has room for improvement..... Like those three plays he underthrew his reciever. I know, I advocate that he should chunk it more often, & let our recievers make plays. But not like that. all three plays should have been thrown over the top. The two near the endzone, should have been to the back of the endzone.

Then, he left a lot of yards on the field, taking the underneath route, instead of hitting the reciever between the Corner & Safety in Zone coverage. AJ did a good job for him, taking a dumpoff, and getting big yards out of it. But there were better throws to be made out there. & when he hit Daniels for the touchdown....

Whew......... thank God Owen has good hands.....

BUt defensively..... they are on the field too much. Not being able to get defensive stops (2 in the first Qtr) is part of the problem, but not keeping the offense on the field adds to the problem as well. Still, there are a lot of wholes on Deffense (http://forums.houstontexans.com/showpost.php?p=451705&postcount=5)..... Where on Offense, I see more missed opportunity than wholes.

powerfuldragon
09-25-2006, 07:59 AM
Dunta had the most tackles on the team. Pitiful.

Mr teX
09-25-2006, 08:44 AM
];451614']Understatement of the year.....

I am just simply perplexed.

Kubes taking all the resposibilty is not right, The players should take 100% of it. From what I saw out there, people are just getting beat. Texans players just getting owned.

I watched a good portion of the Den/NE game last night & it is even more apparent now than it was before. We have special Teamers out there starting on defense. Denver's front 4 wasn't doing much but the LB's were flying all over the place & the DB's were playing covering guys up as they came into their zone area making Brady hold the ball a split second longer. Like you said guys are just getting beat, & like Vinny said its going to be a long fix.

Hulk75
09-25-2006, 08:53 AM
Oh geez...he does have a bit of a Hugh feel. On the Bob Allen show they said that Carr has something like 53 fumbles in his 60 something starts too. That's a crazy stat.
Nobody cares. Vinny on those plays there was not a play, it is were Carr comes up to the line does his cadence and when the defense shows what they are doing Carr makes a play off of what they just showed him.

You know what is even more crazy, 500 yards given up every Sunday by our Defense.

texan279
09-25-2006, 08:56 AM
I think Kubiak should blame Smith. Can we keep one defensive line in the game for at least one series? Does Smith have to switch players around every play or two? And how about a blitz? Have we seen one blitz this season? If Smith thinks we can get pressore on any QB by bringing 4 all game long we will be giving up 500+ yards to every team we face this season.

edo783
09-25-2006, 09:35 AM
All the switching around is to keep the line fresh, but I suspect it is also keeping them from hitting a rythem. We also seem to be over persuing.

Runner
09-25-2006, 09:42 AM
All the switching around is to keep the line fresh, but I suspect it is also keeping them from hitting a rythem. We also seem to be over persuing.

Maybe a change should be to swap them out each possession and much less during a series, unless it is obviously the right thing to do in a specific situation.

Cjeremy635
09-25-2006, 09:48 AM
I understand what you are saying about rotating to keep a fresh unit in, but why are they tired? They aren't doing anything out there to exert any energy. Seriously though, we need to bring pressure regardless where it comes from. Where are the blitz packages we saw last year where Dunta would come from the corner spot? I have heard that we aren't going to blitz until our front 4 D linemen can get pressure on their own. Why is that? I understand the mentality behind that as well, but it is apparent that they are not capable of applying pressure on their own so give them some FREAKIN' HELP! Man I'm so pissed off. I tried to be optomistic these past 2 weeks, but I expected us to show up to play yesterday and I am livid! Someone shoot me...........please?

D-Vizzl
09-25-2006, 09:49 AM
All the switching around is to keep the line fresh, but I suspect it is also keeping them from hitting a rythem. We also seem to be over persuing.

If you are switching lineman every play they still have to run off the field, and come back a couple plays later so they probably are already tired. One thing i'm tired of is keep having to go back and relook plays because I dvd games and try to look for mario, he is lde one play rde another and a tackle the next, it's getting ridiculous, you can't get a feel for the game if you don't know where you will be.

Hulk75
09-25-2006, 09:54 AM
When a Coach says that is on me over and over, he really means that he is going to have a talk with some of his Coordinators........UMMM Richard Smith?

Kubes-:wild: Smith-:hides:

Runner
09-25-2006, 09:59 AM
... try to look for mario, he is lde one play rde another and a tackle the next, it's getting ridiculous, you can't get a feel for the game if you don't know where you will be.

This is an area where Kubiak can change his philosophy if he is taking responsibility for some problems. Let's move Mario around after he learns one position at an NFL level.

kingh99
09-25-2006, 10:05 AM
Oh geez...he does have a bit of a Hugh feel. On the Bob Allen show they said that Carr has something like 53 fumbles in his 60 something starts too. That's a crazy stat.

He's channeling Jim Zorn out there. That guy gave the fans of Seattle 10 long years of unfullfilled promise. And a lot of fumbles and batted down balls.

D-Vizzl
09-25-2006, 10:05 AM
This is an area where Kubiak can change his philosophy if he is taking responsibility for some problems. Let's move Mario around after he learns one position at an NFL level.


I almost don't know why this philosophy is even in effect, I could be wrong but Peppers (for sure) didn't move around his rookie year, you also have Freeney who didn't, Kearse, Richard Seymour and so on and so on. I thought that the days were over where we draft a player and then experiment with what we want him to be.

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
09-25-2006, 10:08 AM
It is good to see Kubiak taking responsibilty, for his teams actions after all, how many times have you ever seen the whole team get fired, they fire the coach......and Rick Smith.....has this guy even been seen on TV yet to explain what is going on with the team, at least Charlie came out with his glasses sitting sideways on his face and fogged up, saying we did not execute over and over every week, where is Rick Smith ! :hides:

ericdoesntcare
09-25-2006, 10:10 AM
Its "Shovel" not Shuffle.

Kaiser Toro
09-25-2006, 10:10 AM
The defense is just plain awful. Who gets the blame? Who really has control? And whose unit(s) has been given the latitude to move slower in order to get the correct behavior down in order to pin back the ears and get after it? At this point it is failing regardless, but if you just release the hounds do you surrender the correct development for more blitzing? I do not see anyone that has gotten better yet and I blame the whole coaching staff, top to bottom. I also blame Casserly and Capers. I expected the defense to not be good due to our secondary shortcomings, but I did not expect it to regress. We talk about attitude with players, I am beginning to think we may have an attitude with the coaches which is the reason we have seen this type of regression so quickly.

Some defensive stats:
- We are giving up 483 yards per game. The next team is at 388.
- We give up 6.9 yards per play. The next team is at 5.9.
- We have given up 26 3rd down conversions on 38 attempts, 68.4% of the time.
- We have the fourth most penalties on defense, but we have penalized for the most yards.

The offense is the same offense to me. I have seen no visible improvement. Our signings as I feared would not change our fortunes (Carr, Moulds, Flanagan, Putzier, Walter, Dayne, Rosenfels, etc).

If Kubiak wants to take blame then give us the plan, make us want to have your back. Him falling on the sword is not an out for this team or its players when it comes to us fans who have been here since the inception of this team. We want a change in attitude and command. The team appears it needs a change in attitude and command. There is one position on the field that does just that. Will he have the gumption to make it? He better make it quick, because the team is my opinion will quit on him pretty soon due to there only being a couple of changes left that have not been made since our first game in franchise history.

Kaiser Toro
09-25-2006, 10:11 AM
He's channeling Jim Zorn out there. That guy gave the fans of Seattle 10 long years of unfullfilled promise. And a lot of fumbles and batted down balls.

At least Zorn was fun to watch.

kingh99
09-25-2006, 10:14 AM
I almost don't know why this philosophy is even in effect, I could be wrong but Peppers (for sure) didn't move around his rookie year, you also have Freeney who didn't, Kearse, Richard Seymour and so on and so on. I thought that the days were over where we draft a player and then experiment with what we want him to be.


Those guys can tunnel and spin. No such indication our stud can do anything other than run plays down from behind. He does pursue line to line pretty well. He's a tweener right now. Too big to be a tunneling or spinning speed rusher, too athletic to be a load.

Chance_C
09-25-2006, 10:22 AM
And how about a blitz? Have we seen one blitz this season?

The first one I remember broke up MR. Brunell's completion streak...:shades:

Texans Horror
09-25-2006, 10:23 AM
Sweeping player changes on Defense? This year is a complete repeat of last season. Wasn't it about this time last year that Riley, Babin, and P-Buc were yanked? I'll await a weird injury to sideline AJ the rest of the year.

cuppacoffee
09-25-2006, 10:34 AM
It is all well and good that he "takes responsibililty", but until he changes some of the ways he does things they are just empty words. He needs to look at what he does and doesn't do and get beyond his ego or stubborness and make the appropriate changes.

I don't feel that Kubiak is letting ego or stubborness influence his coaching decisions.

Any changes he makes will be deliberate and thought out...:hmmm:

There will be no knee jerk reactions from Kubiak.

I have noticed this trait in him already by the way he reacts to reporters questions. I do not see a whole lot of the coachspeak we were accustomed to in the past.

I would rather hear " I take responsibility" instead of " we didn't execute"
One is the sign of a coach in charge the other is passing the buck to your players.

Changes are coming, what they will be is anybodys' guess, but they will be small and deliberate.

I am as disappointed and impatient as any Texan fan out there..:homer:

But

I believe that Kubiak entered into this task knowing it was going to be a marathon and not a sprint.

:twocents:

:coffee:

Cjeremy635
09-25-2006, 10:36 AM
Sweeping player changes on Defense? This year is a complete repeat of last season. Wasn't it about this time last year that Riley, Babin, and P-Buc were yanked? I'll await a weird injury to sideline AJ the rest of the year.

I hate to say it, but I have a feeling we are going to see several instances of that going on this year with players. It's not like they are going to want to go out there and play through any kind of pain for this franchise. The next question we have to ask ourselves is how long are our good players willing to stay on a team like this? How long before Dunta & AJ want a trade? Will we be able to pick up good free agents in the offseasons? Doubt it..... everyone wants to play to compete for the playoffs/championship and this team is so far from just competing on any Sunday it's rediculous....

powerfuldragon
09-25-2006, 10:36 AM
:) you'd think texan fans would be just a little more patient what with all the construction around town.

Cjeremy635
09-25-2006, 10:38 AM
:) you'd think texan fans would be just a little more patient what with all the construction around town.

Yeah, lol, and like the construction on 59, it never ends! It will always be going on and always be an excuse. :ok:

texan279
09-25-2006, 10:40 AM
The first one I remember broke up MR. Brunell's completion streak...:shades:

Yeah so we blitzed after we let him complete what 24 passes? lol :francis:

powerfuldragon
09-25-2006, 10:48 AM
Yeah, lol, and like the construction on 59, it never ends! It will always be going on and always be an excuse. :ok:
perpetual frustration.

Chance_C
09-25-2006, 10:49 AM
Yeah so we blitzed after we let him complete what 24 passes? lol

Yeah, evidently so. Kinda hard to swallow isn't it?

texasguy346
09-25-2006, 10:51 AM
There will be no knee jerk reactions from Kubiak.


I've got to disagree with you on this one. Remember after week one when the media criticized the Texans for utilizing Mario at three different positions on the line saying that it would hinder his development. Shortly thereafter we're told that Mario will be playing DE exclusively.

Also, after week one when the running game was so horrid the Texans made the trade for Gado in exchange for Morrency. This could've been something Sherman pushed for all along, but I would think if that were the case they'd have tried to trade for him sooner like during the preseason. It seems to me like it was a trade in response to the poor play of the RBs in week one.

texan279
09-25-2006, 10:53 AM
Yeah, evidently so. Kinda hard to swallow isn't it?

It downright infuriates me. I am not saying we should blitz every play, but you have to mix it up. If we bring 4 guys 95% of the time teams will put up 3-400 yards passing on you all day. I wanna see DRob come in on a corner blitz. I wanna see Earl come in on a delayed safety blitz. If we would bring the blitz it would help the secondary out and could open up possibilities for our linemen.

texasguy346
09-25-2006, 10:56 AM
It downright infuriates me. I am not saying we should blitz every play, but you have to mix it up. If we bring 4 guys 95% of the time teams will put up 3-400 yards passing on you all day. I wanna see DRob come in on a corner blitz. I wanna see Earl come in on a delayed safety blitz. If we would bring the blitz it would help the secondary out and could open up possibilities for our linemen.

Not exactly the "aggressive" defense we were promised is it? Unless they meant the defense would aggressively pursue the title of worst defense in the league. If that's the case then they were dead on.

Texans Horror
09-25-2006, 10:57 AM
I've got to disagree with you on this one. Remember after week one when the media criticized the Texans for utilizing Mario at three different positions on the line saying that it would hinder his development. Shortly thereafter we're told that Mario will be playing DE exclusively.

Also, after week one when the running game was so horrid the Texans made the trade for Gado in exchange for Morrency. This could've been something Sherman pushed for all along, but I would think if that were the case they'd have tried to trade for him sooner like during the preseason. It seems to me like it was a trade in response to the poor play of the RBs in week one.

Agreed. Kubiak was stone cold right up until the season started. Now, IMO, I'm seeing a lot of knee-jerk reactions, which I am attributing to him being a new coach.

texan279
09-25-2006, 10:59 AM
Not exactly the "aggressive" defense we were promised is it? Unless they meant the defense would aggressively pursue the title of worst defense in the league. If that's the case then they were dead on.

I don't think our defense could stop a little league team right now. And I honestly believe that on the line and at LB the talent and ability is there, that it is just not being utilized.

Tulip
09-25-2006, 11:03 AM
Its "Shovel" not Shuffle.

It's called a shovel, shuffle, or shuttle pass.

texasguy346
09-25-2006, 11:03 AM
I don't think our defense could stop a little league team right now. And I honestly believe that on the line and at LB the talent and ability is there, that it is just not being utilized.

I think the talent is there on the line, but I don't see the heart or instincts for the game aside from Payne and Weaver on occasion. Babin shows flashes of being a pass rusher, but Mario is looking more and more like a workout warrior. I'm hopeful that the confusion is just rookie jitters, but I honestly don't see much of a football IQ from the guy. The linebackers have a legit playmaker in Ryans, but he's a rookie and is bound to make plenty of costly mistakes this season. Greenwood is a marginal OLB at best but with better line play he could look a lot better, and I really don't believe Orr would be starting for any other 4-3 team in the league at OLB. Heck Peek might be a better option at OLB, and I really don't see the harm in putting Charlie Anderson in at Orr's spot. He can't do much worse.

thunderkyss
09-25-2006, 11:26 AM
This is an area where Kubiak can change his philosophy if he is taking responsibility for some problems. Let's move Mario around after he learns one position at an NFL level.

I don't mind him moving from left to right so much, but when they find a favorable matchup..... mario on the RT, exploit it..... Mario was much to fast for him. Send the linebacker from that side every now and again...... the HB will either have to choose to help with Mario, or get the LB.. ....

Right now, it seems like they'll send a linebacker whereever, if they feel to send anyone at all.

To me, it looks like we have 11 guys playing Defense out there, instead of a defensive unit.

NATHANHALE
09-25-2006, 11:46 AM
It's not a secret that Kubiak wants 'everything Denver' in Houston, instead of the Texans having their own idenity that would be based upon our player's strengths. Already, Gary has begun a 'massive' exodus of players that don't fit his 'Denver' system but we are a long way from having the right combination of personnel/experience to do so.

We are in a 'tweener' state, a sort of 'twilight zone.' Kubiak has never coached in this type of environment nor been in charge of an entire team that faces the same scenario. Too, many of his coaches are new in their areas of responsibility on top of the 'tweener' challenge.

This is not a good situation to have gotten into, especially with 'everything' new and all efforts now need to be on 'effective' damage control. IMO, from a coaching stand point, the offense is in a better position so that Kubiak can concentrate on the defense. Some posters think that time alone will solve our problems and that is exactly the thinking that leads some teams to decades of losing or- at best- mediocrity. This team is on the verge of being 'out of control' and entering a downward spiral with little end in site...

IMO, Gary needs to start with 'game planning.' His efforts should be on Miami this week and preparing the team to exploit the Dolphins weaknesses, while emphasizing the Texans strength. So far, we seem to be approaching each team we play the same way (ala last year) each week. For example, the Cowboys had success against the Redskins by blitzing but our game plan for those same Redskins did not feature blitzes! What was our game plan? Are we even making 'in game' adjustments to that game plan?

Kubiak can get even more specific on the defense by concentrating on our 'joke' of a defensive line, our line full of high draft choices that should be a strength. Getting the DL in the right direction will help the LB and DB, as few teams are ever successful when things aren't 'right in the trenches.'...

JMO, but the worse mistake the team can make is standing 'pat' and thinking everything will 'work' itself out-patience is not a luxury for this team 'right' now. No, Kubiak can't fix everything over night, but putting a 'viable' defense on the field would be a step in the right direction...:cowboy1:

BlueThunder
09-25-2006, 11:48 AM
I guess i'll have to agree:cowboy1:


You want the honey or the rope...?

cuppacoffee
09-25-2006, 02:47 PM
Agreed. Kubiak was stone cold right up until the season started. Now, IMO, I'm seeing a lot of knee-jerk reactions, which I am attributing to him being a new coach.

A lot of knee jerk reactions? Name a few, I am opened to be enlightened.

Granted, not moving Mario around in the Colts game might have been a reaction to the fans complaints.

Then again, when Mario was drafted it was stated it was mainlly to disrupt PayAton. That could have been the reason he remained at end in the Colts game.

Obviously it didn't work. :thud:..Mario has a long long way to go to be effective.

I won't call him a bust yet but he is showing nothing. He is being manhandled way too easily.

I disagree with the second point about acquiring Dayne and Gato and trading Morency.

I've stated before that it is my belief that this roster will be changing all year long, I do not consider them to be knee jerk. There will be more changes in the weeks and months ahead. Kubiak is not satisfied with the roster in its current form.

I am as disappointed in the non/performance of the team as any Texan Fan out there.

I feel we must give Kubiak & Co. the benefit of the doubt for the remainder of the year and continue to support the team..:logo:

Do we really have a choice?

:twocents:

:coffee:

painekiller
09-25-2006, 03:53 PM
The current stretch of Houston Texans futility is worse than what Hugh Campbell threw at us. Larry Moriarty and all.

HC was 8-22 here. He lasted just under two seasons. He was brought here so we could get Moon.

The Texans current streak of futility is 2-18 if you go back to the Browns game at the end of '04. The Texans would have to go 6-4 in their next 10 to be as "bad" as Hugh Campbell's Oilers over a 30 game stretch.



I'm sorry, I counted the Hugh Cambell years as only the time he was here, so by that virtue I am only giving Kubiak the 0-3 record. I consider last years record to be an old regime that is now completely gone. I am giving Kubiak a clean slate and will judge him against Cambell when he has had 30 games.

mexican_texan
09-25-2006, 04:16 PM
I swear, a lot of stuff just goes in one ear and comes out the other side a few weeks later.

WE'RE REBUILDING!!!
Kubiak and the rest of the staff knows that and they're trying to make our underachieving D-Line learn how to make a pass rush without the blitzes.

Kubiak has done his job, look at David Carr's newfound success...hell, even Mark Bruener, our third OT, has not only caught passes, he's caught TD passes.

As I rewatched some parts of the game, I see something wrong with our defense: they're out there playing without passion, without desire. In one particular play, I saw that almost none of the guys on the D-line were moving their legs to push the O-linemen, they tried to bench press them.

mexican_texan
09-25-2006, 04:26 PM
I know we are rebuilding but easily predictable pass rushing is easily countered and therefore ineffective. That is why you need to use blitzes it takes advantage of the element of surprise.
Like I said, the linemen need to learn how to make a pass rush and not depend on blitzes. It may be hurting us now, but it'll be worth it in the long run...like some guy we drafted this year.

tsip
09-25-2006, 04:32 PM
Like I said, the linemen need to learn how to make a pass rush and not depend on blitzes. It may be hurting us now, but it'll be worth it in the long run...like some guy we drafted this year.


...another poster said no other team rushes just 4 lineman but us...so we get torched every game?

mexican_texan
09-25-2006, 04:38 PM
I'm not going to bother arguing. I've said why I think they're doing that. Twice.

mexican_texan
09-25-2006, 04:45 PM
No other team in the league has invested so much in the D-line either.

mexican_texan
09-25-2006, 04:57 PM
Three consecutive first rounders and the infamous signing bonus of Anthony Weaver.

valleytexfan
09-25-2006, 05:05 PM
Kubiak is on 610 NOW.

Vinny
09-25-2006, 05:06 PM
Kubiak is on 610 NOW.
He said point blank that Mario didn't play well.

valleytexfan
09-25-2006, 05:06 PM
yep. Just heard it on the stream.

mexican_texan
09-25-2006, 05:11 PM
On Richard Smith: he calls every D, pressure obviously is not good, even with five men rush, said they're working on it. On blitzes: Skins' max protect and have screens to fight blitzes. Said they tried everything, just not good enough.

tsip
09-25-2006, 06:23 PM
No other team in the league has invested so much in the D-line either.


...so what do we gain in the long run by not blitzing now?:yahoo:

mexican_texan
09-25-2006, 06:38 PM
...so what do we gain in the long run by not blitzing now?:yahoo:
Well, we'd save a lot of money in fines, considering the game is on Sunday, not today.

thunderkyss
09-25-2006, 06:43 PM
He said point blank that Mario didn't play well.


He did say that...... but that doesn't mean he regrets the pick, or that Mario is a bust.

bigTEXan8
09-25-2006, 06:50 PM
where as it i see it as respectful to take the blame for the teams' loss...you better believe that he is going to take it out on the team this week in practice.

Runner
09-25-2006, 07:45 PM
I don't care how much responsibility he takes if it isn't accompanied by changes for the better.

tsip
09-25-2006, 07:55 PM
Well, we'd save a lot of money in fines, considering the game is on Sunday, not today.


...nothing...that's what I thought--hope this didn't confuse you too much:)

Rightnow
09-25-2006, 09:56 PM
Kubiak had a rather down tone this week. Worse than last week. It makes sense considering the loss was bigger, because our opponent wasn't as good.

He sounded down on himself and the team. Kubiak has never had a losing season as far as I know. Every program he has been a part of has been a success. I wonder how he will handle having a losing season? We just aren't going to go 9-7.

I sure hope that doubts don't start to creep in on him. It will sabotage everything he is doing. More than a test of the players, this season is a test of the Kubiak regime. Things are going to get worse before they get better. He may have to fire Richard Smith at some point. There is a posibility of only three wins or less. How he is going to keep the team together is going to be a real test of his ability.

This season is will set the internal tone of the Texans for the next couple of years.

thunderkyss
09-25-2006, 10:21 PM
We just aren't going to go 9-7.


Rightnow........ I love you man...... we're all friends and Texans here. But if I were a player........ & I might be. This attitude would hurt me more than anything.

Sure, we haven't been playing well. But we've got thirteen games to go.

We aren't clicking on offense, and we have been mentally out of the defensive side of the ball.

We have 15 new starters on this team, and 5 of those(counting Spencer) are rookies.

on Offense... of the returning starters..... two are playing new positions.

To hear, that the fans think we have no chance in hell just to have a winning season is heartbreaking. Especially when that means all my work this year won't show dividends 'till next year, and these same fans who aren't giving me a chance this year don't want to wait 'till next year to see that hardwork pay off. They want to see it now.

& on top of that........ I (if I were a player) might not even be here next year.

Ibar_Harry
09-26-2006, 05:25 AM
Folks are you certain its Smith that is the problem or is it Kubiak changing what his staff says is best? There seems to be thoughts that he over ruled Sherman to fire Wand. Has he over ruled Smith to say no blitzing. I don't know, but when rumors start flying that the coaches are in disagreement you have a big problem.

I have also stated this team is very fragile from a confidence point of view and brow beating the guys is only going to make it worse. You have to build confidence by emphasizing successes not failures. Yelling and screaming ain't going to do it. I can not believe our team is this bad. I have said it looks like Kubiak has the same mental blocks as Capers in that he is trying to make his players do what they don't do well.

Good example is that we are not a good running team. We have excellent receivers, so utilize them. Lets have offensive success to the point we scare other teams. That will encourage the defense and hopefully they make a stop somewhere. Failure is simply going to breed more failure and possibly a total colapse of the team. We are very close to going over the edge.

TK_Gamer
09-26-2006, 05:36 AM
Folks are you certain its Smith that is the problem or is it Kubiak changing what his staff says is best? There seems to be thoughts that he over ruled Sherman to fire Wand. Has he over ruled Smith to say no blitzing. I don't know, but when rumors start flying that the coaches are in disagreement you have a big problem.

I have also stated this team is very fragile from a confidence point of view and brow beating the guys is only going to make it worse. You have to build confidence by emphasizing successes not failures. Yelling and screaming ain't going to do it. I can not believe our team is this bad. I have said it looks like Kubiak has the same mental blocks as Capers in that he is trying to make his players do what they don't do well.

Good example is that we are not a good running team. We have excellent receivers, so utilize them. Lets have offensive success to the point we scare other teams. That will encourage the defense and hopefully they make a stop somewhere. Failure is simply going to breed more failure and possibly a total colapse of the team. We are very close to going over the edge.
the only problem I have with that offense first attitude is look at the chiefs, they used that gameplan and they havent got past the first round since i can remember. you have to have a defense that at least gives your offense a rest and can make a couple stops. we did some good things sunday and forced a bunch of 3rd and longs , but when the DC should have stepped in with his knowledge and abitlity to stop them on 3rd down, we didnt do it. it looked like we were guessing on 3rd down all day. i dont care how good your offense is , you are not gonna win too many games like that.