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Wolf
09-24-2006, 09:35 PM
Everyone is focused on Williams and his stats.

What about our other "Gem" that we got into the offseason?
Weaver 1 tackle today.

For those that rewatched the game.. what is going on? how is the scheme different this year that last?

Goldeagle
09-24-2006, 10:36 PM
When you pass on the ESPN hype guy, Local favorite stud QB from Texas, or BAD LT with the name BRICK to take some other guy, he is going to be looked at more than a 3-4 down lineman from another NFL team.

Scooter
09-24-2006, 10:52 PM
i'm really not a fan of the weaver signing. he's a 3-4 DE and we dont play a 3-4 anymore. he doesnt have the burst needed to play DE in a 4-3 and doesnt shoot the gap like you want from your DT's. i'm afraid his salary is going to hurt us once we realize we've gotta go a different direction.

underdog65
09-24-2006, 11:20 PM
Isn't that why we got rid of Robaire Smith?

Scooter
09-24-2006, 11:26 PM
Isn't that why we got rid of Robaire Smith?

unless it was purely money, i dont even know why we got rid of robaire. there's noone that can convince me that we're better off with travis & thomas johnson than we would've been with robaire.

Mattheus_Rex
09-24-2006, 11:29 PM
unless it was purely money, i dont even know why we got rid of robaire. there's noone that can convince me that we're better off with travis & thomas johnson than we would've been with robaire.

Thomas Johnson. All I'll see now is Mr. Personal Foul. Orr must be pizzed.

12Gage
09-24-2006, 11:42 PM
Does Ricahrd Smith take alot of blame for our completely terrible defensive play? Or is it on the players? Or both?
I don't see everyone on the field giving 100%, but I think most go all out every play. Both Johnsons look like they go hard inside, eventhough they don't produce much they look like they are at least trying. We know Dunta brings it every play, and I love him for it. Orr and Peek when they are on the field. Ryans. Glenn Earl. All these guys go 100% every play to me. I don't know what my point is but it doesn't feel like our players are not trying to me, we have holes, but we got a good young defensive core I think. Maybe its the playcalling and scheme. I can't decide. I think it's a mix of both. We got alot of holes player wise, but I don't think Ricahrd Smith is much improvment from last year.

cowboys1
09-25-2006, 12:47 AM
Everyone is focused on Williams and his stats.

What about our other "Gem" that we got into the offseason?
Weaver 1 tackle today.

For those that rewatched the game.. what is going on? how is the scheme different this year that last?

Hey is Dexter MCcleon getting any playing time or what?

Scooter
09-25-2006, 04:06 AM
Does Ricahrd Smith take alot of blame for our completely terrible defensive play? Or is it on the players? Or both?
I don't see everyone on the field giving 100%, but I think most go all out every play. Both Johnsons look like they go hard inside, eventhough they don't produce much they look like they are at least trying. We know Dunta brings it every play, and I love him for it. Orr and Peek when they are on the field. Ryans. Glenn Earl. All these guys go 100% every play to me. I don't know what my point is but it doesn't feel like our players are not trying to me, we have holes, but we got a good young defensive core I think. Maybe its the playcalling and scheme. I can't decide. I think it's a mix of both. We got alot of holes player wise, but I don't think Ricahrd Smith is much improvment from last year.

it is a bit of both, but i'm going to put most of the fault on coaching. we're lacking talent and experience from our DB's, and our linebackers are thinned by injuries to wong & rainer. however, none of that matters when you dont blitz and sit in a soft cover 2 the ENTIRE GAME. no adjustments were made to man up as washington threw screen after screen, and we made no effort to clog the line of scrimmage as dallas did to force brunell into mistakes and take away the short patterns & draws that they used all day. blame goes to coaching here for these problems, and also for attitude. the defeated & wounded dog look that i saw is inexcusable, strong coaching needs to produce more determination and tenacity from their players. we see a lot more urgency on the offensive side, but smith's D looked like they knew the game was over in the first quarter.

TEXANRED
09-25-2006, 07:41 AM
Everyone is focused on Williams and his stats.

What about our other "Gem" that we got into the offseason?
Weaver 1 tackle today.

For those that rewatched the game.. what is going on? how is the scheme different this year that last?

I had no idea who Weaver was when we signed him. Still don't. I don't remember his exact numbers at the time but its was like 50 tackles and a sack in four years, or something like that.

When we signed him it smelled an awful like like the Wade and Greenwood signing. As it is going now that is exactly how it is working out.

The way we it may work out in the future is drafting a DE and making Weaver a tackle. We need outside linebackers.

TK_Gamer
09-25-2006, 07:59 AM
lets not start bashing weaver now because our defense as a whole is sucking. weaver has made some good stops and he looks just fine to me. but you have to at least have the threat of the blitz or they will just put more guys on the line than you have and double your strongest guys. yall can call mario a bust all you want, did you watch the game? did you see the way they lined up and changed alignment before the snap? mario basicly had a tight end or a fullback AND a tackle on him most of the game, when he didnt he got penetration, maybe not a sack, but he has proved to me he can beat his guy one on one a reasonable amount of the time. it's the extra blitzer that opens up the line and causes confusion and missed assignments , wich lead to sacks and hurried throws. it's a lot of vanilla play calling on defense that is killing us, not the personel, except maybe thomas johnson, he needs to keep his head in the game and not cost the team yards and points with his over agressive play.

powerfuldragon
09-25-2006, 08:08 AM
Hey is Dexter MCcleon getting any playing time or what?
He was HORRIBLE yesterday.

Mr. White
09-25-2006, 08:18 AM
I'm thinking that the blame for the defensive problems should go to Richard Smith. I remember him not being the first choice for DC...maybe there was a reason for that. Kubes got started hiring his staff so late, the best guys were already snatched up by the time he started hiring.

I'm aware that we've got problems with talent on the defensive side. I just think that for them to be this ineffective at this point is on the coaching.

thunderkyss
09-25-2006, 08:31 AM
My Take on the Defense (http://forums.houstontexans.com/showpost.php?p=451705&postcount=5)

Now Weaver....... I think we need to use him at DT. He showed promise in the Indy game at Tackle..... and nothing at all as a pass rusher. Besides, if we paid him $12 million (signing bonus).....to be our veteran presence.. then we need him on the field all the time, with our young first round picks. Mario(who looked awesome yesterday), TJ(who looked good as well), and Babin(who didn't have his best game yesterday, but is our best DE so far).

Did anyone see Babin chase down Moss/Randle-El on the end around?? He almost had him, 'till Earl layed the wood on him(Earl hit Babin..... I believe he was blocked into him). But damn Babin is fast.

Honoring Earl 34
09-25-2006, 09:04 AM
The defense looks like the offense of last year . Under Pendry our offense looked like they did'nt have a chance in hell to win .

The new nickname for the Texans defense should be "The Remedy" because they cure what ails the oppenents offense .

Goldeagle
09-25-2006, 10:39 PM
Robaire Smith= proven solid veteran

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Sam Cowart= Proven veteran (We could have had Demeco play outside but Demeco can play anywhere he wants now)


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Robaire????

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name????

OH YEAH JAMIE SHARPER!

3 guys who should not have been left go.

I questioned why Demeco played Middle when you had Cowart who could have given you a solid year and we knew we were weak and LB

Everyone in Houston hated to see Sharper go and I can only question a horrible D line without a solid veteran like Robaire?

Second Honeymoon
09-25-2006, 11:42 PM
Robaire Smith= proven solid veteran

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Sam Cowart= Proven veteran (We could have had Demeco play outside but Demeco can play anywhere he wants now)


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Robaire????

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name????

OH YEAH JAMIE SHARPER!

3 guys who should not have been left go.

I questioned why Demeco played Middle when you had Cowart who could have given you a solid year and we knew we were weak and LB

Everyone in Houston hated to see Sharper go and I can only question a horrible D line without a solid veteran like Robaire?

You forgot about Glenn and McRee.....Asserley as well as Kubiak have made some questionable choices and most have been made because of money. Well, if we keep overpaying for average talent ala Greenwood, Weaver, Wade, etc. etc., EVERY player we get is going to be a salary cap issue because they will never be earning their pay. Let's keep who we get and stop this freaking revolving door for our team especially on the defensive side.

Oh and Richard Smith, I dont know much about you, but you have been outcoached to the Nth degree this year and are in danger of getting fired after one year as DC. That guy needs to get something done or he better call his realtor and put a FOR SALE sign in his front yard.

Doug ftw

threetoedpete
09-26-2006, 01:19 AM
Defensive tackles cannot keep the interior lineman off our 235 pound Middle line backer. The 74 shuttle pass, the thirty yard draw, and the fourth quarter when the skins iced the game by rushing for one hundred and eight yards in the quarter. That's 14 points and a dead clock you can lay at Demeeecos feet. Either they got to get bigger, stronger lineman infront of him. Or...move him. If they don't we'll catch the '81 colts and go into the record books as the worst defense of all time. Rabach is dang good. But, he ain't that good. I know y'all love the guy. Just sayin'.

Texans86
09-26-2006, 01:23 AM
Hey is Dexter MCcleon getting any playing time or what?

I'm still confused as to why P.Buch can't get some time on the field. Even with his Toro tackling from last year, at least he could keep up with the recievers. And every once in a while he has a chance at a pick. I want to see him back on the field this weekend.

Texans86
09-26-2006, 01:28 AM
Alright, lets try for a new look this weekend.

CB1- D.Robinson
CB2- P.Buchanon
SS- G.Earl
FS- anyone not named C.C. Brown
MLB- D.Ryans
SLB- M.Greenwood
WLB- S.Orr
LDE- M.Williams
DT-A.Weaver
DT-Tr.Johnson
RDE- J.Babin

Something needs to be shaken up on this team. Somehow these guys looked decent during the preseason but look pathetic now.

Scooter
09-26-2006, 01:59 AM
replace weaver with payne, and rotate peek in as often as possible in a LB position on blitz packages. actually, where has peek been? i dont think i've noticed him yet this season, is he getting any playing time? at the FS, start jason simmons. he's not very good, but atleast he's exciting because nobody on this team goes as hard into tackles as simmons.

thunderkyss
09-26-2006, 06:23 AM
CB1- D.Robinson
CB2- P.Buchanon
SS- G.Earl
FS- C.C. Brown
MLB- D.Ryans
SLB- A.Peek
WLB- J.Simmons
LDE- M.Williams
DT-A.Weaver
DT-Tr.Johnson
RDE- J.Babin


That's how I'd do it........

touttail
09-26-2006, 06:47 AM
Does Ricahrd Smith take alot of blame for our completely terrible defensive play? Or is it on the players? Or both?
I don't see everyone on the field giving 100%, but I think most go all out every play. Both Johnsons look like they go hard inside, eventhough they don't produce much they look like they are at least trying. We know Dunta brings it every play, and I love him for it. Orr and Peek when they are on the field. Ryans. Glenn Earl. All these guys go 100% every play to me. I don't know what my point is but it doesn't feel like our players are not trying to me, we have holes, but we got a good young defensive core I think. Maybe its the playcalling and scheme. I can't decide. I think it's a mix of both. We got alot of holes player wise, but I don't think Ricahrd Smith is much improvment from last year.



Hell, who knows, he hides and refuses to be interviewed!!!!!!!!!!!

Bobby 119C

mancunian
09-26-2006, 06:53 AM
CB1- D.Robinson
CB2- P.Buchanon
SS- G.Earl
FS- C.C. Brown
MLB- D.Ryans
SLB- A.Peek
WLB- J.Simmons
LDE- M.Williams
DT-A.Weaver
DT-Tr.Johnson
RDE- J.Babin


That's how I'd do it........

interesting why play a S at linebacker?

Runner
09-26-2006, 07:00 AM
interesting why play a S at linebacker?

Flexibility! No one position players!

Wait...that isn't working. Never mind.

thunderkyss
09-26-2006, 07:44 AM
interesting why play a S at linebacker?

because our linebackers suck in coverage, and as a safety, he's still big enough to tackle someone.

real
09-26-2006, 08:03 AM
because our linebackers suck in coverage, and as a safety, he's still big enough to tackle someone.

But He's still a safety...He's not a Sean Taylor caliber player....This is Simmons we're talking about....They could just play nickel the whole game... have him get plowed through by O-lineman and Fullbacks....

real
09-26-2006, 08:20 AM
But since we are talking about changing defenses...I would switch back to a
3-4.....Mario Would be a perfect 3-4 DE...Orr was clearly better in the 3-4...

OLB's-Babin,Orr
ILB's -Greenwood,Meco...
DE-Weaver, Williams
NT-Payne

HJam72
09-26-2006, 08:26 AM
Someone in another thread said we should use Buchannon as our FS and I like that idea.

gtexan02
09-26-2006, 08:30 AM
Someone in another thread said we should use Buchannon as our FS and I like that idea.

Except for that whole tackling issue. Everytime the RB gets into the secondary, it'd be a guaranteed touchdown.

real
09-26-2006, 08:32 AM
Someone in another thread said we should use Buchannon as our FS and I like that idea.

C.C Makes a lot of tackles...Im not sure I wan't to depend on buch as our last line of defense...